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[00:11] <dsamza> es que soy nuevo en esto de IRC wxl
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[00:34] <wxl> ianorlin: no, just desktop
[03:26] <Py331> I just installed Lubuntu 14.04.1 LTS from USB and I'm getting a kernel panic not syncing. no init. Any ideas? I've googled but haven't found anything that helped. I just did a normal install.
[16:54] <ianorlin> grr one of my machines needs a bios update and I don't have a windows liscense for it
[16:55] <ianorlin> and the bios updater only runs from dos or windows
[17:00] <Unit193> What brand?
[17:00] <ianorlin> dell
[17:01] <ianorlin> dimension 3000 and the guide says use windows or dos
[17:01] <testdr> ianorlin: check grub - that is the boot-manager used from ubuntu too - and it has bootable iso-files to use as FreeDOS-Boot-Disks, that are booted from the grub-manager. Can be used on usb-sticks too and you only need to add the bios-update-exe from the download
[17:01] <holstein> why do you need to update the bios?
[17:01] <ianorlin> to see if a suspend resume bug still is a problem
[17:01] <ianorlin> not that suspend is that useful on a dimension 3000
[17:01] <Unit193> ianorlin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DellBIOS
[17:03] <Unit193> I used the hot swap method, worked for me.
[17:03] <testdr> ianorlin: What is "suspend" for you? Using swap as storage or keep RAM with power alive? (suspend-to-ram or suspend-to-disk)
[17:06] <testdr> ianorlin: one example for grub to boot FreeDOS: https://wiki.debian.org/DualBoot/FreeDOS
[17:46] <ianorlin> hmm bug 1362555 seems to be reported in the wrong place but I am able to reproduce the behavior in utopic but this bug should be agianst xfce-notificationd right?
[17:48] <wxl> ianorlin: well you're right it shouldn't be lxpanel
[17:48] <wxl> i don't remember what we use for notification though. we don't use xfce's do we????
[17:50] <Unit193> Last I knew, but you should check what you have running as you can change it.
[17:50] <wxl> oh wow you're right ianorlin
[17:50] <wxl> xfce4-notifyd
[17:53] <tacomaster> I was wondering, Lubuntu doesn't run really badly per say but it is still slow. I have a pentium 4 3.2GHz with HT and 1GB of ram. I feel like this should be a little bit faster than it is. Every thing takes forever to load and browsing the web is really slow as well.
[18:09] <testdr> tacomaster: "takes forever to load" - you should check your harddisk-performance. Maybe your hardware is nearly broken and this is only the first sign you notice before its breakdown.
[18:10] <tacomaster> testdr: smart status shows the disk as good. Memtest86 shows that the memory has no erros (ran for over 6 hours)
[18:11] <testdr> tacomaster: then give the transferrate from hdparm.   Check manpage for hdparm and the command is (needs root-rights):  hdparm   -tT   /dev/sda   and do this too for your root-partition
[18:12] <testdr> tacomaster: if this dropout from channel is normal for you - you may have network problems too.
[18:13] <tacomaster> No I am still getting used to lubuntu. in ubuntu you can close the main program and it closes to status bar but if you close it in lubunu is terminates the program
[18:13] <tacomaster> /dev/sda:
[18:13] <tacomaster>  Timing cached reads:   1422 MB in  2.00 seconds = 711.34 MB/sec
[18:13] <tacomaster>  Timing buffered disk reads: 172 MB in  3.03 seconds =  56.84 MB/sec
[18:14] <testdr> tacomaster: that is an older harddisk - but i have seen much older ones with only 30MB/sec
[18:14] <tacomaster> Well yea its an old computer
[18:15] <testdr> tacomaster: only to show you the difference, i have: cached reads 2217.40 MB/sec and disk reads 188.44 MB/sec
[18:16] <testdr> tacomaster: but like i said - you have to check the root-partition too. You get it in the terminal with "df" for "/" - maybe /dev/sda3 or something else
[18:16] <tacomaster> I had blackbox on gentoo with this machine and it ran pretty fast but I hated the compile times of all of the programs. I am not sure if it is just because of blackbox being lighter or if there is just more background processes in lubuntu
[18:17] <testdr> tacomaster: run please (in terminal) command "free" and give the line with "-/+ buffer/cache"
[18:18] <tacomaster> -/+ buffers/cache:     296044     720560
[18:18] <testdr> tacomaster: and last - you should need a swap-part for a computer with only 1GB ram
[18:19] <tacomaster> I have a 2GB swap partition
[18:19] <testdr> tacomaster: this looks nice - no big memory waste and therefore the reason is not only the small mem of 1GB
[18:20] <testdr> tacomaster: the free-command shows how much is used of your swap. What is used?
[18:20] <tacomaster> I think it is just the difference between using a window manager vs a desktop enviroment
[18:20] <tacomaster> 24172 used of swap
[18:21] <tacomaster> out of 2013136
[18:21] <testdr> tacomaster: that is not much - now check running programs - you know "top"?
[18:22] <tacomaster> yea I have been using top and I am not really maxing out the cpu at all. The biggest tax is when im using the flash plugin and that takes up about 30% of the cpu alone
[18:22] <wxl> ew flash
[18:22] <wxl> there's your problem :)
[18:22] <tacomaster> lol :D
[18:22]  * wxl sinks back into the shadows
[18:22] <testdr> jo - flash the old waste
[18:23] <tacomaster> It is required for work website
[18:23] <wxl> you should tell your work they're doing a disservice to their customers :)
[18:23] <testdr> tacomaster: you should check top more often - maybe even let it run in a terminal and you can see what programs may suddenly pull down your cpu-performance (doing things you dont know).
[18:24] <testdr> tacomaster: you know how to change the time-period for top? Change it to 1 second. And check how much cpu top then wastes.
[18:25] <tacomaster> I have never changed the time-period for top but I'm sure its not that hard. Its probably listed in the man page some where
[18:26] <testdr> tacomaster: for the performance of your network/internet connection you should (without any other programs running) check the download-speed when you are doing the ubuntu-software-updates. Those download nearly run with full speed
[18:27] <testdr> tacomaster: in running top - its press key "s"   and then enter 1 for a 1 second timeout instead of the default of 3 seconds
[18:28] <testdr> tacomaster: and - like i said - you should run it constantly to get used to it and what programs are shown and what uses your cpu to notice if something else is consuming the cpu-performance
[18:30] <testdr> tacomaster: if you do more internet-browsing - you should consider to do it most times without animated images,  without flash enabled and without java/script enabled (and without cookies stealing some packets too).
[18:31] <wxl> the first thing would be identifying where the problem is. is it memory, cpu, io, swap, etc?
[18:31] <testdr> wxl: we have done:  memory, harddisk-performance, swap,  now with top its the cpu thing.
[18:32] <wxl> sorry i guess it sounds like you got it under control testdr :)
[18:32] <testdr> np wxl
[18:32] <wxl> there's also the question of network, too
[18:33] <tacomaster> I think it is just me not used to being on a slow machine. My normal laptop is an i7 processor and cuts into everything I throw at it with out stutter
[18:33] <wxl> yeah well that's the question, too: your reference point
[18:33] <testdr> network - thats what i said about the time when he is doing ubuntu-software-updates and he should check the network performance there, because those server (from ubuntu) are quit fast and dont use flash or javascript..
[18:33] <wxl> lubuntu makes old machines run well, it just doesn't make them perform magic :)
[18:36] <testdr> i did a lubuntu install on an old laptop with windows-xp. The laptop had only 256mb ram and a 20GB-harddisk. win-xp used 20 seconds to boot and lubuntu was the same. It can do no magics - but it runs with uptodate-software and it was nice to see games like "frozen-boobles" run in full-screen and see the wlan-chip working.
[18:37] <testdr> tacomaster: games? Ever tried those to check the performance? For example like frozen-bubbles (with sound and a lot of eye-candy).
[18:45] <tacomaster> testdr: No I have never really tried any games on this computer. I am trying to make this computer so I can devote to nothing but work on this computer
[18:46] <tacomaster> I don't need much just a no frills fast light weight distro
[19:11] <john_rambo> Hi, I disabled the lxpanel to try Cairo-dock ...now I have removed it and restored the lxpanel but the desktop right click menu has changed and files which are the desktop are not visible. I can see them only via pcmanfm https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30630174/Selection_001.png
[19:12] <john_rambo> I wan to restore the default right click lubuntu menu
[19:13] <zy3pD> Menu→settings→desktop settings
[19:13] <zy3pD> i don't know the english names exactly