| popey | well! | 00:31 |
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| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 06:24 |
| Myrtti | moin | 06:24 |
| brobostigon | guten morgen Myrtti | 06:24 |
| ali1234 | remember the old update manager that didn't pop up and steal focus at 7:45 EVERY DAY? it just had an indicator when there were updates | 06:43 |
| ali1234 | is that still available somewhere? | 06:43 |
| Myrtti | you can change it to notify once a week... | 06:48 |
| Myrtti | but yeah, that notification icon would be lovely | 06:48 |
| Myrtti | well. It's a good thing I didn't strip the bed for washing the bedsheets... | 06:55 |
| * jussi01 waves | 06:56 | |
| DJones | popey: Have you updated your map yet? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29330265 | 07:51 |
| DJones | 23GB free disk space. The full world is approximately 20GB uncompressed. | 07:51 |
| DJones | bigcalm: May something your interested in as well ^^ | 07:55 |
| * brobostigon will need to get his external hdd out, for enough space to download it. | 07:55 | |
| Myrtti | aw man | 07:56 |
| Myrtti | my laptop has a dead bright pixel | 07:56 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Punctuation Day! :-D | 08:08 |
| brobostigon | morning JamesTait | 08:14 |
| popey | DJones: download link? | 08:28 |
| DJones | http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/innovate/developers/minecraft-map-britain.html | 08:28 |
| foobarry | Myrtti: thats the most annoying thing | 08:28 |
| Myrtti | foobarry: the dead bug is more annoying - it's bigger | 08:29 |
| foobarry | :( | 08:29 |
| foobarry | i've been bitten alive by bugs lately | 08:29 |
| foobarry | must have 25 bites on me | 08:29 |
| diddledan | foobarry: you must be tasty | 08:39 |
| DJones | popey: Just downloaded & tried, there's no readme file in the zip archive, but I just dumped it into my saves folder & unziped & works fine | 08:40 |
| foobarry | my wife says she doesn't get them because marmite | 08:41 |
| diddledan | foobarry: yeah they get their feet stuck in marmite if you plaster yourself with it | 08:41 |
| diddledan | :-p | 08:42 |
| dutchie | foobarry: :( | 08:50 |
| dutchie | i have a nice big ulcer on my tongue | 08:50 |
| foobarry | i'm due some ulcers after eating pringles | 08:51 |
| foobarry | mouth is too narrow for 5 at once | 08:51 |
| dutchie | heh | 08:57 |
| foobarry | http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/23/6834755/samsung-to-end-laptop-sales-in-europe | 09:06 |
| foobarry | including chromebooks | 09:06 |
| directhex | weird. i thought chromebooks sold well | 09:07 |
| diddledan | ALL laptop sales? | 09:07 |
| diddledan | wow | 09:07 |
| ujjain | in the UK you can withdraw from most ATM's for free right? I heard in the US sometimes a bank rquires you to use its own ATMs, I just signed up for Nationwide Plus, so just curious if I coud be charged using Lloyds ATms | 09:09 |
| diplo | ujjain, yes most are free, you get charged for using some third party ones but most banks don't charge now | 09:10 |
| diplo | It tells you on the ATM anyway | 09:10 |
| ujjain | ah great | 09:14 |
| DJones | czajkows1i: You need to get yourself one of the http://goo.gl/SZYlXV | 09:14 |
| ujjain | right, some atms in clubs charge like 2 pounds | 09:14 |
| czajkows1i | DJones: oh I do indeed | 09:14 |
| czajkows1i | DJones: instead I give you https://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/514487093129908225/photo/1 | 09:15 |
| diplo | ujjain, yeah and places like Theme parks etc and some pubs | 09:15 |
| DJones | czajkows1i: I saw that last night as twitter scrolled past, very worrying | 09:16 |
| diplo | and events, but places like Supermarkets, banks etc all are free | 09:16 |
| foobarry | the builder who is quoting our extension says we need to get the party wall agreement sorted...what does that mean? | 09:26 |
| Myrtti | do you share a wall with a neighbour? | 09:27 |
| Myrtti | do you plan to share? | 09:27 |
| DJones | foobarry: http://www.theguardian.com/money/2013/mar/14/home-extensions-plans-party-wall | 09:27 |
| Myrtti | mmm. or that | 09:28 |
| foobarry | the extension will go to the boundary | 09:28 |
| Myrtti | there you go then. | 09:28 |
| Myrtti | "You need to serve notice on all the owners of every neighbouring property affected by the works, both freeholders and leaseholders." | 09:29 |
| foobarry | seems confusing as i thought the planning permission covers this | 09:29 |
| DJones | https://www.gov.uk/party-wall-etc-act-1996-guidance "The act covers new building on or at the boundary of 2 properties" | 09:29 |
| foobarry | since the council write to the neighbours | 09:29 |
| aquarius | that "cat" in the topic looks like a koala. :) | 09:51 |
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| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| foobarry | http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=17392 | 10:17 |
| foobarry | replacement for truecrypt | 10:17 |
| diddledan | foobarry: too late for me - I've moved to encfs | 10:25 |
| directhex | i just keep all my naked selfies on iCloud, so i don't have any false sense of security from using an encrypted filesystem | 10:25 |
| diddledan | directhex: this isn't for naked selfies - those I don't encrypt | 10:27 |
| diddledan | directhex: this is for things like ssh certs | 10:27 |
| diddledan | I need them on all my systems but there's no reasonable way of doing that without a third-party involved (that I've found) | 10:29 |
| directhex | just store it on github. use quadruple-rot13 for encryption | 10:32 |
| diddledan | yey http://www.geek.com/apple/iphone-6s-are-being-bent-in-peoples-pockets-including-mine-1605177/ | 10:43 |
| foobarry | meh | 10:58 |
| foobarry | "pressure of fabric against your skin" | 10:59 |
| foobarry | = being sat on? | 10:59 |
| Myrtti | tight jeans and front pocket | 10:59 |
| foobarry | lots of forces applying pressure | 10:59 |
| Myrtti | bend to sit, the fabric goes taught | 10:59 |
| shauno | doesn't this happen every year? every time there's a new iphone, people suddenly re-discover that when you bend things, they bend | 11:07 |
| zmoylan-pi | apple will have to give all users a free titanium non bendy case :-) | 11:09 |
| zmoylan-pi | or are they going to say that they're meant to bend? | 11:09 |
| diddledan | they're not meant to not bend | 11:10 |
| foobarry | they aren't meant to be subjected to warping forces | 11:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | what % put their phone in their pocket? | 11:16 |
| diddledan | the majority? | 11:16 |
| zmoylan-pi | probably for teenagers and those in 20s maybe but i suspect it falls after that | 11:17 |
| directhex | chances are, when field-testing the phone, everyone had it in a bulky case designed to hide its true shape | 11:18 |
| directhex | also, all apple staff wear tan-colored cargo trousers, which have deep loose pockets | 11:19 |
| zmoylan-pi | and they didn't have it going through enough bars in hipsters pockets this release :-) | 11:19 |
| shauno | mine lives in my pocket. I just don't extend that to sitting on them | 11:19 |
| Azelphur | My coat has a phone pocket, I put it in there | 11:19 |
| zmoylan-pi | i reckon my nokia dumbphone will be safe in my back pocket when i occasionly stick it there it i'm not wearing a fleece/jacket with pockets | 11:20 |
| shauno | lol. your nokia dumbphone will be safe when only cockroaches rule the world | 11:21 |
| Azelphur | nothing wrong with nokia dumb phones if it's all you want :) | 11:21 |
| Azelphur | http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/226/893/tumblr_lwve5bG5781qewacoo1_r1_500.jpg :P | 11:21 |
| zmoylan-pi | i did use one of it's predecessors a nokia n70 to bang a nail into a door frame to make a point to my boss about how a crappy nokia was better than his shiny new ruggedised pocket pc | 11:21 |
| shauno | I had a friend with a 'ruggedised' phone a good 7-8 years ago. chocolate-block style but dressed up so it looked like it was a car tyre | 11:23 |
| shauno | he dropped it in a pint to prove it was waterproof. it never worked again | 11:23 |
| zmoylan-pi | my boss dropped his pocket pc onto carpet and battery shook lose. i threw the n70 at ceiling knocking out tile and let it bounce off floor on way down and it was grand | 11:23 |
| Azelphur | I've tipped a bottle of water over my LG G Watch :D | 11:24 |
| Azelphur | and taken it in the shower once | 11:24 |
| shauno | this kinda stuff cracks me up though; http://forums.androidcentral.com/htc-one-m8/381873-bent-m8.html | 11:25 |
| shauno | bend your android phone, it's a "curiousity". bend an iphone, and it's bend-gate! | 11:25 |
| Azelphur | shauno: I'm sure you could find similar posts about the iphone 5 ;) | 11:25 |
| shauno | oh I know you can | 11:26 |
| directhex | www.lg.com/us/mobile-phones/gflex ! | 11:26 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 11:27 |
| directhex | shauno: "bendghazi" | 11:28 |
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| Azelphur | I'm trying to find out what power supply a Mad Catz Strike 7 keyboard takes, nowhere seems to mention it, frustrating. | 13:46 |
| daftykins | Azelphur: no power specs written on the device? | 13:54 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: it says "Operating voltage 5V" but that could mean practically anything since it's not the input. | 13:54 |
| daftykins | :/ | 13:55 |
| daftykins | weird | 13:55 |
| daftykins | nothing beside the socket at all? | 13:55 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: nope, the socket is just a wire | 13:56 |
| Azelphur | ie there's a wire that comes out of the keyboard with a female socket for you to plug the power into | 13:57 |
| daftykins | oh that's weird | 13:58 |
| Azelphur | the G19 does the same thing | 13:58 |
| diddledan | what does it say on the wall-wart they provided? | 13:59 |
| Azelphur | wall-wart? | 13:59 |
| daftykins | mains adapter | 13:59 |
| Azelphur | I don't have it, if I had it that'd make life a whole lot easier ;) | 13:59 |
| daftykins | i suspect Azelphur has been without from the start | 13:59 |
| Azelphur | indeed | 13:59 |
| diddledan | seems odd to me to provide a powered keyboard without an adapter | 14:00 |
| daftykins | i suspect it's second hand ;) | 14:00 |
| Azelphur | indeed | 14:00 |
| diddledan | you could get a multivolt adapter and try your luck | 14:01 |
| Azelphur | diddledan: well was hoping to know without trying my luck and destroying it :P | 14:01 |
| Azelphur | although, I think it's broken already tbh. | 14:01 |
| diddledan | but if it's 5v internally then I suspect it'll be 5v input | 14:01 |
| foobarry | wow. #muslimapologies is the oddest hashtag i ever read | 14:01 |
| diddledan | foobarry: is it bad? | 14:02 |
| foobarry | its weird. supposed to be ironic messages from muslims "aplogising" for things they shouldn't have to apologise for | 14:02 |
| diddledan | Azelphur: it won't be less than 5v because that's what it uses internally, so assuming it's 5v input your only concern is the polarity | 14:03 |
| Azelphur | indeed, that was my thinking | 14:03 |
| diddledan | I get the impression that most DC adapters these days are + on the inner-pole | 14:04 |
| * zmoylan-pi sees diddledan in immediate future holding smoking piece of hardware cursing that assumption :-) | 14:04 | |
| diddledan | zmoylan-pi: I tend to check like Azelphur is doing | 14:05 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 14:05 |
| diddledan | if it's unclear then I'll only use the same brand of adapter | 14:05 |
| diddledan | e.g. most netgear boxes for consumerland tend to be the same power requirements | 14:06 |
| Azelphur | oh well, I gotta go for now, if anyone happens to find it let me know :) | 14:06 |
| popey | Azelphur: open it up and see where the wire goes, will be very easy to see which is +ve and which is -ve | 14:14 |
| popey | -ve will go to some ground plane, +ve may well even be marked on the board, and will go to the power pins of whatever ICs are in it | 14:15 |
| Myrtti | Dear Agony Aunt, am I normal? I'm a 34 years old nerd and I'm considering making the information leaflet to be included with the wedding invitations with LaTeX. PLZ REPLY SOON!!!111 xxx Myrtti xxx | 14:22 |
| directhex | using LaTeX makes you a fetishist | 14:23 |
| diddledan | some people have allergies. you gotta remember that | 14:23 |
| diddledan | so for them you'll have to use something other than LaTeX | 14:24 |
| zmoylan-pi | putting the details in a qr code so guests can scan the info directly into their phones makes you a nerd | 14:25 |
| diddledan | zmoylan-pi: don't give her ideas! | 14:25 |
| zmoylan-pi | with klingon translation... :-p | 14:25 |
| directhex | QR code confetti | 14:25 |
| Myrtti | QR is already a given, I'm marrying this man https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/mobile-barcoder/?src=userprofile | 14:27 |
| diddledan | Duncan Sample? that's a rare surname. | 14:28 |
| foobarry | saw a brochure the other day that had a page full of QR codes in such low res that none of them worked. obviously the people putting it together had no clue what a QR code was and how to test it | 14:29 |
| directhex | http://picturesofpeoplescanningqrcodes.tumblr.com/ | 14:29 |
| diddledan | lmao | 14:30 |
| diddledan | is that indicative that nobody scans qr codes? | 14:30 |
| foobarry | i scanned one at oggcamp once | 14:30 |
| foobarry | because the url was so long | 14:30 |
| directhex | diddledan: yes | 14:30 |
| zmoylan-pi | i take pics of them and scan them when i get home :-) | 14:30 |
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| popey | i know someone who has a qr code for their wifi | 14:35 |
| popey | so you just scan it and you're connected without having to type the pw in | 14:35 |
| foobarry | how does that work? | 14:36 |
| foobarry | oh cool | 14:36 |
| popey | standard feature on android | 14:36 |
| popey | she has it hanging in her lounge | 14:36 |
| daftykins | i was gonna do that for mine | 14:36 |
| popey | she also but an nfc tag behind the picture | 14:36 |
| daftykins | but really i don't want everyone jumping on mine :D | 14:36 |
| popey | well, it's on the inside of her house | 14:36 |
| foobarry | good if you have multiple SSID | 14:36 |
| diplo | I like that idea popey, may have to look at doing that! | 14:36 |
| popey | if strangers are in her lounge, she has bigger things to worry about | 14:36 |
| foobarry | visitors SSID | 14:36 |
| popey | yeah | 14:36 |
| popey | shame ubuntu phone doesn't do that yet | 14:37 |
| popey | i have to type the silly long key in | 14:37 |
| daftykins | i have friends of friends pop by sometimes, wouldn't necessarily want them all :) | 14:37 |
| foobarry | what phones will ubuntu phone work on? | 14:37 |
| popey | it currently works on nexus 4 | 14:37 |
| popey | new phone will be available very soon | 14:37 |
| foobarry | i was hoping my next phone would be ubuntu but i ran out of waiting time | 14:38 |
| zmoylan-pi | i just tell people i'll email them the wifi key :-) | 14:38 |
| popey | is the wifi key your email address? ☻ | 14:38 |
| diplo | And done! | 14:39 |
| diplo | Will test it when I get home :) | 14:39 |
| * popey needs to finish his talk for xda developer conf | 14:39 | |
| * dutchie needs to finish oggcamp talk | 14:41 | |
| * popey is re-using his xda talk for oggcamp ☻ | 14:41 | |
| davmor2 | popey: cheapskate, we'll start calling you jono ;) | 14:56 |
| arsen | anyone have virgin's 152Mb cable? | 15:13 |
| arsen | theoretically i've had it a few days - but i cant say ive seen speed change at all. | 15:13 |
| awilkins | I have the 60 and rarely get above ~ 25-30Mbit/s | 15:14 |
| awilkins | Because this is mostly OK for my needs, I haven't bothered complaining | 15:14 |
| awilkins | But "speed" is a vague definition | 15:15 |
| arsen | i "had" 60, and usually got 60ish | 15:15 |
| awilkins | Latency? You're unlikely to see improvements | 15:15 |
| arsen | i now "have" 152, apparently... and i'm getting 50-60 still :D | 15:15 |
| awilkins | Yeah, but is the limit at your end, or the server? | 15:15 |
| davmor2 | I had the 60 it got upgraded so now I'm on 100 I get between 80-100 normally but it can be fairly low sometimes depending on the site | 15:42 |
| popey | i ave 100 now... | 15:50 |
| popey | well ~105 | 15:50 |
| * foobarry installing MAAS | 15:52 | |
| popey | MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS | 15:52 |
| awilkins | Monkeys As A Service? | 15:55 |
| Laney | MAAS as a service | 15:56 |
| diddledan | yey monkeys! | 15:56 |
| diddledan | I expect shakespear in a week | 15:56 |
| foobarry | http://i.imgur.com/MzdbQSj.jpg | 15:56 |
| diddledan | what you doing? | 15:57 |
| diddledan | lotsa putes | 15:57 |
| foobarry | we haz 20 computers | 15:57 |
| diddledan | \o/ | 15:57 |
| foobarry | for running openstack testing | 15:57 |
| diddledan | aah | 15:57 |
| diddledan | not for bitcoining then ? :-p | 15:58 |
| foobarry | nah, not my thing | 15:58 |
| diddledan | dual network? red + blue? | 15:58 |
| diddledan | it's annoying that switch vendors are shoving extra fibre ports on them to justify keeping the price high | 16:00 |
| diddledan | I see 4 on that unit? | 16:00 |
| foobarry | AFAIK u need dual homed nodes | 16:01 |
| NET||abuse | anyone try gnome alongside unity here? | 16:08 |
| NET||abuse | i'm dying to try it again, been 2 years since i've looked | 16:08 |
| NET||abuse | but i can't risk my unity environment. | 16:08 |
| NET||abuse | is 13.10 or 13.12 stable enought to install and run in tandem with unity? | 16:09 |
| NET||abuse | i'm on 14.04.. | 16:09 |
| diddledan | and this is an example of why version numbers on their own are useless - try being more explicit :-) | 16:12 |
| diddledan | 13.10 == saucy. 13.12 == beta of trusty? | 16:13 |
| NET||abuse | blurg, sorry, haha, no, Gnome versions 13.10 and 13.12.. not ubuntu versions | 16:13 |
| diddledan | >.< | 16:13 |
| NET||abuse | :) | 16:13 |
| popey | i think you mean 3.10 and 3.12 | 16:13 |
| NET||abuse | ..... arrg | 16:14 |
| NET||abuse | i want to stab my own face through the internet now | 16:14 |
| diddledan | here, let me do that for you | 16:14 |
| diddledan | *pokity poke poke* | 16:14 |
| NET||abuse | so back to the question,, has anyone installed Gnome 3.10 or 3.12 alongside unity on ubuntu 14.04? | 16:14 |
| NET||abuse | any experience on the install proceedure, or making sure your unity doesn't 'splode on you:? | 16:15 |
| diddledan | if you have the space to spare I'd suggest dual-booting with ubuntu-gnome (is that the right name?) | 16:16 |
| diddledan | http://ubuntugnome.org/ | 16:17 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 16:22 |
| bigcalm | Is there a utility to test the health of an SSD? | 16:22 |
| awilkins | Standard disk utility? | 16:23 |
| awilkins | The cogwheely thing has a SMART / selftest menu | 16:23 |
| bigcalm | The what? | 16:23 |
| awilkins | For each disk, there is a button with a cogwheel when you select it | 16:24 |
| bigcalm | Okay | 16:24 |
| awilkins | Mine says 1 bad sector | 16:25 |
| bigcalm | I'll reboot into Ubuntu and hope the system stays stable long enough to run a test | 16:25 |
| awilkins | Not sure eSata supports full SMART | 16:25 |
| awilkins | Or maybe SSD doesn't support it | 16:25 |
| awilkins | Lots more stats on my spinning rust | 16:26 |
| diddledan | usb doesn't support smart usually afaict | 16:26 |
| diddledan | esata should be just as capable as internal sata - it's only a different connector otherwise the same | 16:26 |
| awilkins | Nope... not sure if this eSATA port is just a USB one mounted on a header inside the case or not | 16:27 |
| awilkins | But some SMART | 16:27 |
| awilkins | So I guess it's just that the disk doesn't support some metrics | 16:27 |
| awilkins | 841 power cycles! | 16:27 |
| awilkins | 1 failed sector | 16:27 |
| diddledan | a lot of the standard hdd smart stuff is not needed on ssd so they just don't expose it | 16:28 |
| ali1234 | NET||abuse: ubuntu heavily patches gtk which causes a lot of problems in gnome | 16:28 |
| ali1234 | but the patches are only active if unity is installed | 16:29 |
| ali1234 | installing gnome along side unity is unlikely to break unity and very likely to break gnome | 16:29 |
| diddledan | yey? | 16:30 |
| diddledan | :-p | 16:30 |
| * bigcalm drums fingers | 16:30 | |
| bigcalm | Self-test in progress -- 90% remaining | 16:32 |
| bigcalm | It's been like that for a while | 16:32 |
| bigcalm | Air temp has increased from 37C to 42C | 16:32 |
| bigcalm | Is there any need for swap these days? | 16:33 |
| bigcalm | Oo, 20% done | 16:39 |
| popey | bigcalm: depends what you do with the computer | 16:47 |
| bigcalm | popey: what's it good for? | 16:55 |
| bigcalm | I don't use sleep or hibinate | 16:55 |
| NET||abuse | so nobobdy tried gnome 3.xx in tandem with unity on 14.04? | 16:58 |
| NET||abuse | i know you suggested using gnome respin, but I don't have the disk space. | 16:58 |
| NET||abuse | certainly not the will to repartition :) | 16:59 |
| intrbiz | bigcalm: I generally don't bother with swap | 17:44 |
| bigcalm | intrbiz: collecting the keys to our new house on Monday. Unlikely that I'll be attending badminton :S | 17:44 |
| intrbiz | bigcalm: no worries, seems like an important excuse | 17:45 |
| bigcalm | Contracts were exchanged today. Flipping stressful time | 17:45 |
| bigcalm | Ta | 17:45 |
| intrbiz | bigcalm: and then you've got to move | 17:48 |
| bigcalm | intrbiz: We gave our 1 month notice to our landlady today. So we have a little time | 17:48 |
| bigcalm | But the sooner we're out, the less I have to spend on bills for 2 properties | 17:49 |
| intrbiz | sure | 17:51 |
| intrbiz | bigcalm: how is the ssd? | 17:52 |
| bigcalm | intrbiz: still running the SMART test | 17:52 |
| bigcalm | The machine hasn't frozen yet | 17:53 |
| intrbiz | bigcalm: right, is it hanging or panicing? | 17:53 |
| bigcalm | I'm going to reinstall Ubuntu later just to be on the safe side and see how it copes tomorrow | 17:53 |
| bigcalm | intrbiz: the system appears to slow down over about 10 seconds and then freezes. Have to do a hard reset to use the machine again | 17:54 |
| bigcalm | Thing is, once I've done a hard reset, it works for the rest of the day without problem | 17:54 |
| intrbiz | bigcalm: got swap? how much ram? | 17:54 |
| bigcalm | 8gb ram. Swap is 4.3gb, but swap is off | 17:56 |
| bigcalm | intrbiz: the freezing happens even if I do nothing with the system | 17:56 |
| bigcalm | What should I look for in syslog? | 18:00 |
| bigcalm | I assume that syslog is where kernel panics go | 18:00 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: oh nice on the house keys dude :) | 18:01 |
| intrbiz | bigcalm: often a panic only get logged to the console | 18:01 |
| DJones | bigcalm: Whats the issue with the SSD? Its not a silly boot issue where half the time it fails to boot & goes into a text loop is it? | 18:02 |
| intrbiz | bigcalm: the last thing in messages before the report might be of interest | 18:02 |
| bigcalm | DJones: I don't know if there's a problem with the SSD. Just something worth checking | 18:03 |
| intrbiz | bigcalm: have you tried running memtest, might be worth ruling out dodgy memory | 18:04 |
| bigcalm | intrbiz: yep, left it running for 2 passes (that takes a long time). No errors | 18:04 |
| intrbiz | bigcalm: hmm, ok | 18:06 |
| bigcalm | syslog - http://paste.ubuntu.com/8419845/ | 18:07 |
| bigcalm | There's not /var/log/messages in Ubuntu :| Does it all get sent to syslog instead? | 18:08 |
| bigcalm | lastlog and faillog are just full of ^@ | 18:11 |
| intrbiz | bigcalm: /var/log/syslog is essentially /var/log/messages, different files names in different distros | 18:12 |
| bigcalm | Right | 18:13 |
| bigcalm | SSD check just finished and it passed okay from what I can see | 18:13 |
| bigcalm | dmesg.0 doesn't show anything helpful that I can see | 18:14 |
| bigcalm | Xorg.0.log.old - http://paste.ubuntu.com/8419888/ | 18:15 |
| bigcalm | It's not included at the bottom of that paste, but it's full of ^@ when I view the file with less | 18:16 |
| bigcalm | What other logs might I look at? | 18:17 |
| daftykins | what's the SMART data on the SSD? smartctl -a /dev/sdX | 18:20 |
| bigcalm | http://paste.ubuntu.com/8419943/ | 18:23 |
| intrbiz | bigcalm: smart looks fine | 18:24 |
| popey | \o/ six giffgaff SIMs active! | 18:25 |
| popey | thats 8 total in this house | 18:25 |
| popey | ETOOMANYPHONENUMBERS | 18:25 |
| daftykins | bigcalm: ah have you read about the firmware bug with them, it was meant to only be causing poor read speeds after 6+ months of use, but there may well be an update available | 18:26 |
| daftykins | ah they must not have released it yet | 18:54 |
| davmor2 | popey: thanks god for addressbooks right ;) | 18:57 |
| popey | heh | 18:58 |
| davmor2 | popey: it's the best quiz in the world http://www.buzzfeed.com/hannahjewell/can-you-guess-how-old-these-kittens-are?bffbuk#4g9h0q8 | 19:03 |
| popey | 15 out of 15 | 19:07 |
| foobarry | haven't got any cashback on Gigggaff in yonks | 19:46 |
| foobarry | i fear my new phone results in requiring new data plan cos i'm browsingn faster now | 19:50 |
| daftykins | haha | 19:50 |
| popey | my father in law just bought iphone for him and m-i-l | 19:57 |
| popey | i sent him a couple of giffgaff sims for them | 19:57 |
| daftykins | another pair lost ;) | 19:57 |
| foobarry | my gg sim was old as not a push-out microsim option, so i had to cut with scissors | 19:59 |
| foobarry | just roughly cut round another micro sim. seems to work ok | 19:59 |
| daftykins | i was in a similar situation when i bought my Nexus 4. i popped along the high-street here, my telco didn't offer any help but a mate works in a rival telco and chopped it down with a glorified holepunch for me \o/ | 20:00 |
| popey | yeah, i cut my first sim manually when i switched from htc hero to iphone | 20:00 |
| foobarry | htc hero AKA jimmy hill | 20:01 |
| diddledan | joy. amazon aws/ec2 two days' notice of reboot | 21:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | what, are they running windows or something? :-) | 21:13 |
| diddledan | amazon? | 21:14 |
| diddledan | I would figure they're running amazon linux | 21:14 |
| intrbiz | diddledan: I got about 1 months notice for a reboot on mine | 21:14 |
| diddledan | intrbiz: we did on another machine but this is specifically highlighted as short-notice | 21:15 |
| intrbiz | diddledan: does it have local storage? | 21:15 |
| diddledan | the email is subjectified: "Near-term AWS maintenance event notice" | 21:15 |
| diddledan | they also state "You will not be able to stop/start or re-launch instances in order to avoid this maintenance update." | 21:17 |
| intrbiz | right | 21:18 |
| intrbiz | where do ubuntu folk tend to put there server ssl certs / keys? | 21:21 |
| diddledan | intrbiz: I believe we're moving to /srv/domain.example.com/ssl with the related website at .../htdocs | 21:26 |
| diddledan | but that's just my co | 21:26 |
| diddledan | not an official word | 21:27 |
| intrbiz | diddledan: ok | 21:27 |
| intrbiz | diddledan: I personally do /etc/apache2/ssl.key and /etc/apache2/ssl.crt | 21:28 |
| diddledan | the problem with that is you're then limited to one cert | 21:28 |
| diddledan | so you can't vhost | 21:28 |
| intrbiz | they are folders containing domain.name.crt or domain.name.key | 21:28 |
| diddledan | aah | 21:29 |
| diddledan | I figured files | 21:29 |
| intrbiz | sorry, I should have been clearer | 21:29 |
| diddledan | I shouldn't have assumed - "assumption is the mother of all flip-ups" | 21:29 |
| intrbiz | diddledan: it sure is, but I'm fairly sure life without assumptions is impossible | 21:31 |
| intrbiz | or at least rather impractical | 21:31 |
| diddledan | and now I need to find somewhere that has that movie | 21:31 |
| diddledan | :-p | 21:31 |
| diddledan | (Under Siege 2: Dark Territory) | 21:32 |
| diddledan | and yes that is from memory | 21:32 |
| diddledan | :-p | 21:32 |
| intrbiz | diddledan: I have a copy here | 21:33 |
| diddledan | I think I've got a copy on DVD but that's sooo last millenium | 21:34 |
| intrbiz | shamefully along with a few other Seagal films | 21:34 |
| bigcalm | intrbiz: /etc/ssl/private for the key & csr /etc/ssl/certs for the cert | 21:55 |
| bigcalm | I think that might be a debian thing as well | 21:55 |
| * bigcalm backs up stuff before reinstalling | 21:56 | |
| bigcalm | Going to be a fun evening | 21:56 |
| intrbiz | bigcalm: yeh, but I really dislike sticking server cers in with a bunch of other certs | 21:56 |
| intrbiz | certs* | 21:56 |
| bigcalm | intrbiz: don't put them in the certs dir then, make your own | 21:56 |
| intrbiz | :) | 21:57 |
| bigcalm | The private dir will only have snake oil in it | 21:57 |
| intrbiz | yeh | 21:57 |
| directhex | intrbiz, i use /etc/ssl/certs/hostname.pem and /etc/ssl/private/hostname.key | 22:18 |
| diddledan | yeah we like to keep the cert/key on the same filesystem as the website so that in the cloud we can just spin up a new ubuntu machine with our filesystem attached and have everything magically work | 22:34 |
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