[05:24] good morning [05:25] hi Squirm gnome-session-flashback seems ok and lots faster than unity [05:26] and only 10mB download [05:34] just need to get used to things that way again [05:35] morning superfly [05:36] morning Kilos [07:36] wbb going to kde [08:00] hi nlsthzn [08:01] o/ [08:03] how is everyone? [08:05] i dunno either, only fly greeted this morning [08:05] im good but, and you? [08:07] glad to hear... I am fine thanks... one nightshift then I have a few days off... bunch of saffa's heading to one of the waterparks day after tomorrow :D [08:07] lol [08:08] fun in da sun [08:08] enjoy [08:17] thanks :)] [08:18] strange bug or something crept into xubuntu, when I select my picture folder to change my wallpaper it freezes >.< very odd... so now I am using something else else again >.< [08:20] ai! [08:20] :p [08:20] oh well [09:00] haha hi spinza [09:01] hi how are you? [09:01] good ty and you? [09:01] funny that about the coyote [09:04] hi StonedAlchemist [09:07] good, coyote? [09:07] spinza (~spin@41-133-243-209.dsl.mweb.co.za) has left this server (Quit: Coyote finally caught me). [09:08] lol have no idea where that is coming from... [09:08] lol [09:08] nice quit message though [09:09] changed my whole irc setup [09:09] so must be one of the new clients [09:09] ah [09:09] what client you using [09:11] using hexchat on pcs and holoirc on android [09:12] sjoe them android things are creaping in everywhere [09:14] i really can't find that quit message [09:15] never mind i like it [09:17] i'm also running it through bip [09:17] might be bip [09:17] whatever that is [09:18] bip is an irc proxy [09:18] ah see that it is bip [09:18] ok [10:07] good afternoon [10:07] Maaz: coffee on [10:07] * Maaz washes some mugs [10:07] hi charl [10:08] hey Kilos [10:08] how are you doing [10:08] good thanks and you? [10:08] good good [10:08] you all yankeefied with your hey greeting hey [10:08] too much tv [10:10] oh, i thought it was international :S [10:10] people in NL sometimes also say it [10:11] ya they also watch too much tv [10:11] that is ghetto talk [10:11] or was, now many peeps use it [10:11] Coffee's ready for charl! [10:11] no that's more like "hey n*gga, what's up in da hood" [10:12] in NL we don't talk like that [10:12] thats where it comes from [10:13] we used to say hi or hello or good day or that kinda language [10:14] even bruce willis says it so that how efficient a brainwashing tool tv is [10:14] yeah it's true [10:16] bah i missed the meeting yesterday evening [10:16] i was in rotterdam yesterday [10:18] wasnt much you missed , we seen to have lost something [10:19] voema [10:22] s/seen/seem [10:23] hi psytab [10:24] hi Kilos [10:28] hi psytab [10:28] hi charl [10:28] how are you doing [10:29] I am doing fine, thanks [10:29] just resting a bit too much, I think [10:29] and how are you doing? [10:29] i'm doing well [10:29] last week of holiday, last three days now [10:29] then still the weekend and then it's back to work [10:30] oh, but it's good that you have had some time to not think of work [10:31] i need to set up a second vps somewhere [10:31] right now i have an account with hetzner but i'm thinking of getting a second vps at tilaa [10:31] then i have two mx servers, a primary and backup [10:31] I don't know either of those [10:32] right now my mail is hanging off one vps, that's not so good [10:32] yeah, good plan [10:32] hetzner is a german company and tilaa is dutch [10:32] then i also have it in two countries but that both have low latency from where i live [10:32] there is also netcup.de but i don't know it very well, looks like a great company though [10:32] and they will synchronise between each other? [10:32] when i (eventually) move to germany i will move from tilaa to netcup perhaps [10:33] yeah [10:33] yeah i can run automated scheduled backups between the two for extra safety [10:33] synchonise mail every 10 mins or so [10:33] germany is still quite a bit cheaper and will stay like that, if the gap isn't already widening now [10:33] just need to see how to safely synchonise mbox files between two hosts, i'm sure there is plenty done on it in any case [10:35] I'm interested in high availability myself, so I would like to figure out how to do real-time synchronisation in two or more locations [10:38] yeah maybe i go straight to netcup instead [10:40] is there a big difference between them or is it just the fact they are in differemt countries? [10:41] anyway, I will be back later [10:42] netcup gives you twice as much as tilaa with one euro difference in cost (in favour of netcup) [11:23] back [11:23] then I would go for netcup, charl [11:28] yup [11:28] sounds like a much better idea [15:17] whew when i dont need help nothing happens here [15:21] I fell asleep. [15:21] lol [15:22] My sleep routine is pretty much polyphasic [15:22] Not by my own volition tho.. [15:22] Maaz define polyphasic [15:22] Kilos: I don't have a definition for that. Is it even a word? [15:23] Many phases [15:23] sjoe [15:23] As opposed to the monophasic sleep routine that most humans follow. [15:24] whats the prob? [15:24] I sleep from 1 am to 5 am then again from 2 pm to 4 pm [15:25] then some time between 7 pm and 11 pm some times [15:25] because of work? [15:25] Trouble sleeping and busy schedule. [15:25] Because of school. [15:25] ok [15:26] i could enjoy sleeping from 7pm till 11.30pm [15:26] then use night surfer at last [15:28] Lol I used to do that back when I had a 1gb vodacom cap with the night owl thing [15:28] hehe [15:28] im not successful though [15:28] Can't believe there was a time that I used only 1gb in an entire month! [15:28] Now I use like 5gb pd minimum [15:29] ya times have changed [15:29] i used 500m a months for a long time [15:29] pd =per day? [15:29] Yeah I suppose back in the dialup days people used a few megabytes a day. [15:29] holy moly [15:30] yea per day [15:30] what do you do with it? [15:31] Not that much when I think about it. I download about 2 tv shows (Pirated.. shhh) and watch youtube videos mostly. Reading mail, tweeting, research and all that stuff consumes the minimum. [15:32] ya i dont even use the tube [15:34] It's my primary source of entertainment. I don't have tv access anymore. Too expensive and boring. I'd rather have fast internet. [15:35] ya i spose with uncapped you dont need a tv [15:38] uncapped + tpb.. [15:39] tbp? [15:39] tpb [15:39] the pirate bay [15:39] lol [15:40] Aye [15:46] ha remote got him [15:48] wb [16:04] inetpro het jy gaan werk vandag [16:36] good evening all [16:53] good evening all [16:53] again [16:57] hi magespawn [17:26] hi my magespawn_ === magespawn_ is now known as magespawn [17:26] with or without tail [17:26] hi Kilos, not staying online tonight [17:26] why? [17:27] oh i see you dropped [17:28] again and again [17:28] run mtr [17:28] or ping [17:30] dunno if you windows peeps can do such things [17:30] * Kilos hides [18:00] Thunderbolt and lightning very very frightening me. [18:03] Kilos, you here? [18:04] yessir [18:05] I'm bored out of my skull [18:05] lol [18:05] This is usually the time one lights up some of the greens. [18:06] you will get locked up [18:06] Yeh I know === magespawn_ is now known as magespawn [18:06] Especially here [18:06] can't do it here [18:06] where is here? [18:07] College dorm [18:07] But I'm not as much afraid of being locked up as getting expelled. [18:07] haha ya behave there [18:07] yip dont do stuff that can interfere with your studies [18:08] Nah actually I perform very well when I'm a bit intoxicated. It clears my mind and helps me focus. [18:08] eish [18:08] thats all in th mind [18:09] I suppose some of it might be [18:10] when you ar stoned you imagine everything is working so much better [18:10] and when not stoned you try use that as an excuse to get stoned again [18:11] Well it's a fact. When I'm slightly stoned I can work for much longer periods of time. When I'm not I get bored like I am now. [18:11] so its alowing you to co\ncentrate on one thing at a time [18:12] Exactly [18:12] There is a limit however. When I start tripping balls I'll just sit and do nothing. [18:13] Have you ever done any narcotics? [18:13] its basically doing what your mind can do with out it. you just need to practise on improving your focus [18:13] Everyone tells me to do more exercise lol [18:13] lol [18:14] That would mean going into direct sunlight.. [18:14] uvs are good for you [18:15] i spent many yars on the beach [18:15] years [18:15] Ha ha I have very sensitive skin [18:15] they make strong sun block [18:16] I use it everyday. [18:16] are you like the english peeps [18:16] that go all pink in the sun [18:17] My skin just falls off. [18:17] eish [18:17] thats sad [18:18] Yeh tell me bout it [18:19] then you gotta study hard and long so you can afford your own lab with living quarters [18:19] i dont think there are many live in IT jobs around [18:19] That's my aim hehe. [18:20] I though most IT people just sleep under their desks? [18:20] Or in the server room [18:20] no man they actually get married and have families [18:20] Or maybe not the server room is too noisy. [18:20] heh sometimes it feels like it [18:20] the server room blocks out all the background noise [18:20] haha magespawn [18:21] You live in a server room, magespawn ? [18:21] no just feels like it sometimes [18:22] I've never been in a server room actually. [18:23] Have you been, Kilos ? [18:23] nope [18:24] but ive seen some nice one [18:24] They are beautiful. [18:24] you can get Symmetria to show you some pics [18:24] Much like what I imagine heaven to be like. [18:24] haha [18:28] i used to work in a server room 10 years ago [18:28] the noise is so much you really do not want to work in there [18:28] the extraction fans cause the most auditory pollution [18:30] Is liquid cooling an option for servers now? [18:30] Symmetria ping [18:30] he is a networking expert StonedAlchemist [18:37] StonedAlchemist: i think water cooling is simply too costly [18:37] StonedAlchemist: and you can't really use water for the risk of damage so then you have to use some other liquid [18:39] I thought that might be the case. [18:40] well i think a good part of it is that it is tricky to install and maintain [18:40] that's probably 90% of it [18:42] charl is heat a prob in servers [18:43] * theblazehen bricked a mobo today :( [18:43] and a PSU [18:43] eish theblazehen how [18:44] the new one? [18:45] Kilos: had to do BIOS update to use new CPU, and it failed [18:46] And apparently a 10 year old 250W PSU can't run 3 hard drives... [18:46] oh yeah man you should know that [18:46] im using a 500w psu her [18:47] Kilos: yeah, but I only had extra 250 W with sata power [18:47] but that old one shouldnt even have the corect plugs [18:47] but got another 350W, so will use molex-> sata converter [18:47] 24 pin i think [18:47] Kilos: yeah, had the 24 pin, worked fine [18:47] plus the little one that goes near the cpu [18:48] that was fine, but need my new PSU for new mobo [18:48] old mobo still has 4 pin [18:48] ya [18:49] always wise when buying motherboards to get updated psu same time [18:49] they are actually quite cheap [18:50] Kilos: yeah. [18:50] maybe the mobo is still ok [18:51] Kilos: gonna send it in to replace. [18:51] Kilos: no way to recover it, bios is dead [18:51] thats one way of doing it [18:51] unless we swap it with a running machine, and re-flash it [18:51] you can get past that too but serious work [18:52] i still get mails from them flashrom guys [18:52] they are very clever [18:52] flashrom is in ubuntu repos as well [18:52] Kilos: ah.. I used that on my old board, to add pxe boot for PCIe network card onto bios [18:53] also you can just from another pc download the new firmware and boot from it directly and it installs new bios [18:54] also you can try remove the battery for a long while then boot again [18:56] Kilos: it doesn't even post, so won't take new firmware on USB, and not gonna try to hot swap the bios with other mobo. Already tried removing battery for >1 hour [18:56] ive had one mobo that was dead as well but it booted to bios when we left the battery out [18:56] eish send for replacement [18:56] how did you manag to mess up the bios [18:57] Kilos: was doing the bios update, and it said it was successfull, but stopped working after reboot [18:57] wwhy you worry about bios update on a new mobo? [18:58] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gstreamer/tree/plugins/elements/gstfilesrc.c?id=RELEASE-0_10_22#n798 [18:59] nah, like 4 months old. Need support for new CPU on it [18:59] Comment at line 799 [18:59] StonedAlchemist: the "read code here"? [18:59] It's inspiring lol [19:09] Kilos: heat is a major problem in the data centre, the whole layout of the data centre is made so that heat can be channeled out and cool air in [19:09] Kilos: that's why they build data centres in places where there is often plenty of natural cooling like near the north pole [19:09] i wonder why they dont use refrigeration system to cool things [19:09] Kilos: it costs a huge amount of money to keep the servers cool artificially [19:10] basically it is a huge refrigiration system [19:10] oh ok [19:11] like you can take a freezer room where they hang slaughter animals and make that a server room [19:11] you can set the temp to go to about -40 i think [19:12] then a couple fans should cool down any amount of servers [19:14] actually they first go to cool room for a week or so then those that arent for orders go to freezer [19:14] humidity would have to be controlled if the rooms are very cold [19:15] ya most likely but not impossible [19:17] freezer is basically a large very efficient air conditioner [19:17] without humidity control of course [19:18] might work out rather expensive though [19:50] some input on this idea please [19:52] i want to use ping somewebsite.com > somewebsite.txt to monitor net connectivity, then use an entry in logrotate.conf to rotate the files every 12 hours [19:52] possible? good idea? [19:54] start the ping somewebsite.com > somewebsite.txt command in a screen session, and use logrotate.conf to rotate the somewebsite.txt every 12 or maybe every 6 hours [19:55] is this the best way to do this? most efficient? [20:00] hi ThatGraemeGuy [20:00] you getting too clever magespawn [20:00] everything so involved [20:03] magespawn: you may eventually be blocked by said website for ICMP flooding [20:05] superfly is the sites that you could use for this? or is there a better way? [20:05] magespawn: WAYTTD [20:06] i am trying to provide connectivity records to an isp [20:07] the adsl is really bad [20:07] ah [20:07] I think there are better tools which are actually meant for that sort of thing [20:10] i am open to any ideas or suggestions [20:11] I dont' know of any tools offhand, but I'm sure there are monitoring tools you could use. better to monitor the number of errors than how often ping succeeds [20:16] i did find internet connectivity monitor on google code, i think. it is a bit flaky though [20:17] just found this http://oss.oetiker.ch/smokeping/ and i have this installed http://www.cacti.net/ on the one laptop [20:20] have not used cacti yet so this will be a good lesson [20:34] falling asleep here [20:34] night all sleep tight [20:43] i am also off to bed, thanks for the input superfly, got me going in the right direction