[05:24] <Kilos> good morning 
[05:25] <Kilos> hi Squirm gnome-session-flashback seems ok and lots faster than unity
[05:26] <Kilos> and only 10mB download
[05:34] <Kilos> just need to get used to things that way again
[05:35] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[05:36] <superfly> morning Kilos
[07:36] <Kilos> wbb going to kde
[08:00] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  
[08:01] <nlsthzn> o/
[08:03] <nlsthzn> how is everyone?
[08:05] <Kilos> i dunno either, only fly greeted this morning
[08:05] <Kilos> im good but, and you?
[08:07] <nlsthzn> glad to hear... I am fine thanks... one nightshift then I have a few days off... bunch of saffa's heading to one of the waterparks day after tomorrow :D
[08:07] <Kilos> lol
[08:08] <nlsthzn> fun in da sun
[08:08] <Kilos> enjoy
[08:17] <nlsthzn> thanks :)]
[08:18] <nlsthzn> strange bug or something crept into xubuntu, when I select my picture folder to change my wallpaper it freezes >.< very odd... so now I am using something else else again >.<
[08:20] <Kilos> ai!
[08:20] <nlsthzn> :p
[08:20] <nlsthzn> oh well
[09:00] <Kilos> haha hi spinza  
[09:01] <spinza> hi how are you?
[09:01] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[09:01] <Kilos> funny that about the coyote
[09:04] <Kilos> hi StonedAlchemist  
[09:07] <spinza> good, coyote?
[09:07] <Kilos>  spinza (~spin@41-133-243-209.dsl.mweb.co.za) has left this server (Quit: Coyote finally caught me).
[09:08] <spinza> lol have no idea where that is coming from...
[09:08] <Kilos> lol
[09:08] <Kilos> nice quit message though
[09:09] <spinza> changed my whole irc setup
[09:09] <spinza> so must be one of the new clients
[09:09] <Kilos> ah
[09:09] <Kilos> what client you using
[09:11] <spinza> using hexchat on pcs and holoirc on android
[09:12] <Kilos> sjoe them android things are creaping in everywhere
[09:14] <spinza> i really can't find that quit message
[09:15] <Kilos> never mind i like it
[09:17] <spinza> i'm also running it through bip
[09:17] <spinza> might be bip
[09:17] <Kilos> whatever that is
[09:18] <spinza> bip is an irc proxy
[09:18] <spinza> ah see that it is bip
[09:18] <Kilos> ok
[10:07] <charl> good afternoon
[10:07] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[10:07]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[10:07] <Kilos> hi charl  
[10:08] <charl> hey Kilos 
[10:08] <charl> how are you doing
[10:08] <Kilos> good thanks and you?
[10:08] <charl> good good
[10:08] <Kilos> you all yankeefied with your hey greeting hey
[10:08] <Kilos> too much tv
[10:10] <charl> oh, i thought it was international :S
[10:10] <charl> people in NL sometimes also say it
[10:11] <Kilos> ya they also watch too much tv
[10:11] <Kilos> that is ghetto talk
[10:11] <Kilos> or was, now many peeps use it
[10:11] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[10:11] <charl> no that's more like "hey n*gga, what's up in da hood"
[10:12] <charl> in NL we don't talk like that
[10:12] <Kilos> thats where it comes from
[10:13] <Kilos> we used to say hi or hello or good day or that kinda language
[10:14] <Kilos> even bruce willis says it so that how efficient a brainwashing tool tv is
[10:14] <charl> yeah it's true
[10:16] <charl> bah i missed the meeting yesterday evening
[10:16] <charl> i was in rotterdam yesterday
[10:18] <Kilos> wasnt much you missed , we seen to have lost something
[10:19] <Kilos> voema
[10:22] <Kilos> s/seen/seem
[10:23] <Kilos> hi psytab  
[10:24] <psytab> hi Kilos
[10:28] <charl> hi psytab 
[10:28] <psytab> hi charl
[10:28] <charl> how are you doing
[10:29] <psytab> I am doing fine, thanks
[10:29] <psytab> just resting a bit too much, I think
[10:29] <psytab> and how are you doing?
[10:29] <charl> i'm doing well
[10:29] <charl> last week of holiday, last three days now
[10:29] <charl> then still the weekend and then it's back to work
[10:30] <psytab> oh, but it's good that you have had some time to not think of work
[10:31] <charl> i need to set up a second vps somewhere
[10:31] <charl> right now i have an account with hetzner but i'm thinking of getting a second vps at tilaa
[10:31] <charl> then i have two mx servers, a primary and backup
[10:31] <psytab> I don't know either of those
[10:32] <charl> right now my mail is hanging off one vps, that's not so good
[10:32] <psytab> yeah, good plan
[10:32] <charl> hetzner is a german company and tilaa is dutch
[10:32] <charl> then i also have it in two countries but that both have low latency from where i live
[10:32] <charl> there is also netcup.de but i don't know it very well, looks like a great company though
[10:32] <psytab> and they will synchronise between each other?
[10:32] <charl> when i (eventually) move to germany i will move from tilaa to netcup perhaps
[10:33] <psytab> yeah
[10:33] <charl> yeah i can run automated scheduled backups between the two for extra safety
[10:33] <charl> synchonise mail every 10 mins or so
[10:33] <psytab> germany is still quite a bit cheaper and will stay like that, if the gap isn't already widening now
[10:33] <charl> just need to see how to safely synchonise mbox files between two hosts, i'm sure there is plenty done on it in any case
[10:35] <psytab> I'm interested in high availability myself, so I would like to figure out how to do real-time synchronisation in two or more locations
[10:38] <charl> yeah maybe i go straight to netcup instead
[10:40] <psytab> is there a big difference between them or is it just the fact they are in differemt countries?
[10:41] <psytab> anyway, I will be back later
[10:42] <charl> netcup gives you twice as much as tilaa with one euro difference in cost (in favour of netcup)
[11:23] <psytab> back
[11:23] <psytab> then I would go for netcup, charl
[11:28] <charl> yup
[11:28] <charl> sounds like a much better idea
[15:17] <Kilos> whew when i dont need help nothing happens here
[15:21] <StonedAlchemist> I fell asleep.
[15:21] <Kilos> lol
[15:22] <StonedAlchemist> My sleep routine is pretty much polyphasic
[15:22] <StonedAlchemist> Not by my own volition tho..
[15:22] <Kilos> Maaz  define polyphasic
[15:22] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't have a definition for that. Is it even a word?
[15:23] <StonedAlchemist> Many phases
[15:23] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:23] <StonedAlchemist> As opposed to the monophasic sleep routine that most humans follow.
[15:24] <Kilos> whats the prob?
[15:24] <StonedAlchemist> I sleep from 1 am to 5 am then again from 2 pm to 4 pm
[15:25] <StonedAlchemist> then some time between 7 pm and 11 pm some times
[15:25] <Kilos> because of work?
[15:25] <StonedAlchemist> Trouble sleeping and busy schedule. 
[15:25] <StonedAlchemist> Because of school.
[15:25] <Kilos> ok
[15:26] <Kilos> i could enjoy sleeping from 7pm till 11.30pm
[15:26] <Kilos> then use night surfer at last
[15:28] <StonedAlchemist> Lol I used to do that back when I had a 1gb vodacom cap with the night owl thing
[15:28] <Kilos> hehe
[15:28] <Kilos> im not successful though
[15:28] <StonedAlchemist> Can't believe there was a time that I used only 1gb in an entire month!
[15:28] <StonedAlchemist> Now I use like 5gb pd minimum
[15:29] <Kilos> ya times have changed
[15:29] <Kilos> i used 500m a months for a long time
[15:29] <Kilos> pd =per day?
[15:29] <StonedAlchemist> Yeah I suppose back in the dialup days people used a few megabytes a day.
[15:29] <Kilos> holy moly
[15:30] <StonedAlchemist> yea per day
[15:30] <Kilos> what do you do with it?
[15:31] <StonedAlchemist> Not that much when I think about it. I download about 2 tv shows (Pirated.. shhh) and watch youtube videos mostly. Reading mail, tweeting, research and all that stuff consumes the minimum.
[15:32] <Kilos> ya i dont even use the tube
[15:34] <StonedAlchemist> It's my primary source of entertainment. I don't have tv access anymore. Too expensive and boring. I'd rather have fast internet.
[15:35] <Kilos> ya i spose with uncapped you dont need a tv
[15:38] <StonedAlchemist> uncapped + tpb..
[15:39] <Kilos> tbp?
[15:39] <Kilos> tpb
[15:39] <StonedAlchemist> the pirate bay
[15:39] <Kilos> lol
[15:40] <StonedAlchemist> Aye
[15:46] <Kilos> ha remote got him
[15:48] <Kilos> wb
[16:04] <Kilos> inetpro  het jy gaan werk vandag
[16:36] <magespawn> good evening all
[16:53] <magespawn> good evening all
[16:53] <magespawn> again
[16:57] <charl> hi magespawn 
[17:26] <Kilos> hi my magespawn_  
[17:26] <Kilos> with or without tail
[17:26] <magespawn> hi Kilos, not staying online tonight
[17:26] <Kilos> why?
[17:27] <Kilos> oh i see you dropped
[17:28] <magespawn> again and again
[17:28] <Kilos> run mtr
[17:28] <Kilos> or ping
[17:30] <Kilos> dunno if you windows peeps can do such things
[17:30]  * Kilos hides
[18:00] <StonedAlchemist> Thunderbolt and lightning very very frightening me.
[18:03] <StonedAlchemist> Kilos, you here?
[18:04] <Kilos> yessir
[18:05] <StonedAlchemist> I'm bored out of my skull
[18:05] <Kilos> lol
[18:05] <StonedAlchemist> This is usually the time one lights up some of the greens.
[18:06] <Kilos> you will get locked up
[18:06] <StonedAlchemist> Yeh I know
[18:06] <StonedAlchemist> Especially here
[18:06] <StonedAlchemist> can't do it here
[18:06] <Kilos> where is here?
[18:07] <StonedAlchemist> College dorm
[18:07] <StonedAlchemist> But I'm not as much afraid of being locked up as getting expelled.
[18:07] <Kilos> haha ya behave there
[18:07] <Kilos> yip dont do stuff that can interfere with your studies
[18:08] <StonedAlchemist> Nah actually I perform very well when I'm a bit intoxicated. It clears my mind and helps me focus.
[18:08] <Kilos> eish
[18:08] <Kilos> thats all in th mind
[18:09] <StonedAlchemist> I suppose some of it might be
[18:10] <Kilos> when you ar stoned you imagine everything is working so much better
[18:10] <Kilos> and when not stoned you try use that as an excuse to get stoned again
[18:11] <StonedAlchemist> Well it's a fact. When I'm slightly stoned I can work for much longer periods of time. When I'm not I get bored like I am now.
[18:11] <Kilos> so its alowing you to co\ncentrate on one thing at a time
[18:12] <StonedAlchemist> Exactly
[18:12] <StonedAlchemist> There is a limit however. When I start tripping balls I'll just sit and do nothing.
[18:13] <StonedAlchemist> Have you ever done any narcotics?
[18:13] <Kilos> its basically doing what your mind can do with out it. you just need to practise on improving your focus
[18:13] <StonedAlchemist> Everyone tells me to do more exercise lol
[18:13] <Kilos> lol
[18:14] <StonedAlchemist> That would mean going into direct sunlight..
[18:14] <Kilos> uvs are good for you
[18:15] <Kilos> i spent many yars on the beach 
[18:15] <Kilos> years
[18:15] <StonedAlchemist> Ha ha I have very sensitive skin
[18:15] <Kilos> they make strong sun block
[18:16] <StonedAlchemist> I use it everyday.
[18:16] <Kilos> are you like the english peeps
[18:16] <Kilos> that go all pink in the sun
[18:17] <StonedAlchemist> My skin just falls off.
[18:17] <Kilos> eish
[18:17] <Kilos> thats sad
[18:18] <StonedAlchemist> Yeh tell me bout it
[18:19] <Kilos> then you gotta study hard and long so you can afford your own lab with living quarters
[18:19] <Kilos> i dont think there are many live in IT jobs around
[18:19] <StonedAlchemist> That's my aim hehe.
[18:20] <StonedAlchemist> I though most IT people just sleep under their desks?
[18:20] <StonedAlchemist> Or in the server room
[18:20] <Kilos> no man they actually get married and have families
[18:20] <StonedAlchemist> Or maybe not the server room is too noisy.
[18:20] <magespawn> heh sometimes it feels like it
[18:20] <magespawn> the server room blocks out all the background noise
[18:20] <Kilos> haha magespawn  
[18:21] <StonedAlchemist> You live in a server room, magespawn ?
[18:21] <magespawn> no just feels like it sometimes
[18:22] <StonedAlchemist> I've never been in a server room actually.
[18:23] <StonedAlchemist> Have you been, Kilos ?
[18:23] <Kilos> nope
[18:24] <Kilos> but ive seen some nice one 
[18:24] <StonedAlchemist> They are beautiful. 
[18:24] <Kilos> you can get Symmetria  to show you some pics
[18:24] <StonedAlchemist> Much like what I imagine heaven to be like.
[18:24] <Kilos> haha
[18:28] <charl> i used to work in a server room 10 years ago
[18:28] <charl> the noise is so much you really do not want to work in there
[18:28] <charl> the extraction fans cause the most auditory pollution
[18:30] <StonedAlchemist> Is liquid cooling an option for servers now?
[18:30] <Kilos> Symmetria  ping
[18:30] <Kilos> he is a networking expert StonedAlchemist  
[18:37] <charl> StonedAlchemist: i think water cooling is simply too costly
[18:37] <charl> StonedAlchemist: and you can't really use water for the risk of damage so then you have to use some other liquid
[18:39] <StonedAlchemist> I thought that might be the case.
[18:40] <charl> well i think a good part of it is that it is tricky to install and maintain
[18:40] <charl> that's probably 90% of it
[18:42] <Kilos> charl  is heat a prob in servers
[18:43]  * theblazehen bricked a mobo today :(
[18:43] <theblazehen> and a PSU
[18:43] <Kilos> eish theblazehen  how
[18:44] <Kilos> the new one?
[18:45] <theblazehen> Kilos: had to do BIOS update to use new CPU, and it failed
[18:46] <theblazehen> And apparently a 10 year old 250W PSU can't run 3 hard drives...
[18:46] <Kilos> oh yeah man you should know that
[18:46] <Kilos> im using a 500w psu her
[18:47] <theblazehen> Kilos: yeah, but I only had extra 250 W with sata power
[18:47] <Kilos> but that old one shouldnt even have the corect plugs
[18:47] <theblazehen> but got another 350W, so will use molex-> sata converter
[18:47] <Kilos> 24 pin i think
[18:47] <theblazehen> Kilos: yeah, had the 24 pin, worked fine
[18:47] <Kilos> plus the little one that goes near the cpu
[18:48] <theblazehen> that was fine, but need my new PSU for new mobo
[18:48] <theblazehen> old mobo still has 4 pin
[18:48] <Kilos> ya
[18:49] <Kilos> always wise when buying motherboards to get updated psu same time
[18:49] <Kilos> they are actually quite cheap
[18:50] <theblazehen> Kilos: yeah. 
[18:50] <Kilos> maybe the mobo is still ok
[18:51] <theblazehen> Kilos: gonna send it in to replace. 
[18:51] <theblazehen> Kilos: no way to recover it, bios is dead
[18:51] <Kilos> thats one way of doing it
[18:51] <theblazehen> unless we swap it with a running machine, and re-flash it
[18:51] <Kilos> you can get past that too but serious work
[18:52] <Kilos> i still get mails from them flashrom guys
[18:52] <Kilos> they are very clever
[18:52] <Kilos> flashrom is in ubuntu repos as well
[18:52] <theblazehen> Kilos: ah.. I used that on my old board, to add pxe boot for PCIe network card onto bios
[18:53] <Kilos> also you can just from another pc download the new firmware and boot from it directly and it installs new bios
[18:54] <Kilos> also you can try remove the battery for a long while then boot again
[18:56] <theblazehen> Kilos: it doesn't even post, so won't take new firmware on USB, and not gonna try to hot swap the bios with other mobo. Already tried removing battery for >1 hour
[18:56] <Kilos> ive had one mobo that was dead as well but it booted to bios when we left the battery out
[18:56] <Kilos> eish send for replacement
[18:56] <Kilos> how did you manag to mess up the bios
[18:57] <theblazehen> Kilos: was doing the bios update, and it said it was successfull, but stopped working after reboot
[18:57] <Kilos> wwhy you worry about bios update on a new mobo?
[18:58] <StonedAlchemist> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gstreamer/tree/plugins/elements/gstfilesrc.c?id=RELEASE-0_10_22#n798
[18:59] <theblazehen> nah, like 4 months old. Need support for new CPU on it
[18:59] <StonedAlchemist> Comment at line 799
[18:59] <theblazehen> StonedAlchemist: the "read code here"?
[18:59] <StonedAlchemist> It's inspiring lol
[19:09] <charl> Kilos: heat is a major problem in the data centre, the whole layout of the data centre is made so that heat can be channeled out and cool air in
[19:09] <charl> Kilos: that's why they build data centres in places where there is often plenty of natural cooling like near the north pole
[19:09] <Kilos> i wonder why they dont use refrigeration system to cool things
[19:09] <charl> Kilos: it costs a huge amount of money to keep the servers cool artificially
[19:10] <charl> basically it is a huge refrigiration system
[19:10] <Kilos> oh ok
[19:11] <Kilos> like you can take a freezer room where they hang slaughter animals and make that a server room
[19:11] <Kilos> you can set the temp to go to about -40 i think
[19:12] <Kilos> then a couple fans should cool down any amount of servers
[19:14] <Kilos> actually they first go to cool room for a week or so then those that arent for orders go to freezer
[19:14] <magespawn> humidity would have to be controlled if the rooms are very cold
[19:15] <Kilos> ya most likely but not impossible
[19:17] <Kilos> freezer is basically a large very efficient air conditioner
[19:17] <Kilos> without humidity control of course
[19:18] <Kilos> might work out rather expensive though
[19:50] <magespawn> some input on this idea please
[19:52] <magespawn> i want to use ping somewebsite.com > somewebsite.txt to monitor net connectivity, then use an entry in logrotate.conf to rotate the files every 12 hours
[19:52] <magespawn> possible? good idea?
[19:54] <magespawn> start the ping somewebsite.com > somewebsite.txt command in a screen session, and use logrotate.conf to rotate the somewebsite.txt every 12 or maybe every 6 hours
[19:55] <magespawn> is this the best way to do this? most efficient?
[20:00] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[20:00] <Kilos> you getting too clever magespawn  
[20:00] <Kilos> everything so involved
[20:03] <superfly> magespawn: you may eventually be blocked by said website for ICMP flooding
[20:05] <magespawn> superfly is the sites that you could use for this? or is there a better way?
[20:05] <superfly> magespawn: WAYTTD
[20:06] <magespawn> i am trying to provide connectivity records to an isp
[20:07] <magespawn> the adsl is really bad
[20:07] <superfly> ah
[20:07] <superfly> I think there are better tools which are actually meant for that sort of thing
[20:10] <magespawn> i am open to any ideas or suggestions
[20:11] <superfly> I dont' know of any tools offhand, but I'm sure there are monitoring tools you could use. better to monitor the number of errors than how often ping succeeds
[20:16] <magespawn> i did find internet connectivity monitor on google code, i think. it is a bit flaky though
[20:17] <magespawn> just found this http://oss.oetiker.ch/smokeping/ and i have this installed http://www.cacti.net/ on the one laptop
[20:20] <magespawn> have not used cacti yet so this will be a good lesson
[20:34] <Kilos> falling asleep here
[20:34] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[20:43] <magespawn> i am also off to bed, thanks for the input superfly, got me going in the right direction