[00:20] <jcsackett> so are hopes and dreams our stock in trade?
[00:24] <rick_h_> hatch: you're right, both test and lander failed very close to the same
[00:24] <rick_h_> hatch: are you poking at it?
[00:37] <hatch> rick_h_: yes fix has been pushed
[00:37] <hatch> will see how this goes
[00:37] <rick_h_> hatch: coolio
[00:38] <rick_h_> hatch: no hury, I'm doing release now. It can move forward without it 
[00:38] <hatch> oh you sure? ok
[00:38] <rick_h_> hatch: yea, at 30min a test run it'll be a bit to verify/etc and I'm going to move forward. We'll get it landed tomorrow and such
[00:39] <rick_h_> hatch: thanks for updating and we'll see how it goes
[00:39] <hatch> sounds like a plan
[00:58] <rick_h_> go go bzr go go 
[00:58] <rick_h_> go go bzr go go go ...bzr be good
[01:13]  * rick_h_ starts up the live charm tests...go go go
[01:14]  * rick_h_ crosses fingers
[10:45] <jcastro> has anyone had issues with the inspector not showing up on click?
[11:11] <rick_h_> jcsastro: not that I'm aware of at the moment. 
[11:11] <rick_h_> jcastro: is this the new charm that went out today? 
[11:11] <jcastro> yeah
[11:11] <jcastro> but jujucharms seems to work
[11:12] <jcastro> don't worry, only on my laptop, not in front of anyone. :)
[11:12] <rick_h_> hmm, ok
[11:12] <jcastro> rick_h_, you have an upcoming release right?
[11:12] <jcastro> I'd like to realign the ob's to use the latest stable one
[11:12] <jcastro> currently they're on older ones
[11:12] <rick_h_> jcastro: yes, charm and site went out around midnight EST 
[11:12] <fabrice> rick_h_:  you are not sleeping ?
[11:12] <rick_h_> we're working with marketing to make a huge splash today
[11:13] <rick_h_> fabrice: I did, now I have a meeting, then back to sleep
[11:14] <jcastro> <3
[11:14] <jcastro> nice work dude
[11:14] <fabrice> rick_h_: :)
[11:14] <rick_h_> jcastro: <3
[11:15] <rick_h_> jcastro: let me know if you see something though, we'll be poking at it some more now that the release is put together but nothing came out in QA last few days 
[11:16] <jcastro> yeah it just feels like the inspector summoning/banishing is flakey 
[11:16] <jcastro> both on chrome stable and unstable
[11:16] <jcastro> also in general sometimes I want to click and I still get the relation popup thing, but that's a design issue I think, that can wait until later
[11:16] <rick_h_> rgr, we will look into it thanks jcastro 
[11:17] <rick_h_> frankban: do you have a few min to see if you can verify in any way. 
[11:17] <rick_h_> jcastro: this is on a real deployed version?
[11:17] <jcastro> yeah, on my local machine
[11:17] <rick_h_> jcastro: sorry, a live environment you're seeing this 
[11:17] <rick_h_> jcastro: rgr
[11:20] <frankban> rick_h_: I'll take a look if I can dupe inspector not showing up in a real env
[11:20] <rick_h_> frankban: ty
[11:20] <frankban> rick_h_: in the meanwhile, jujucharms.com updated!
[11:20] <rick_h_> frankban: ty for the deploy as well yay! 
[11:21] <frankban> rick_h_: there was a hook problem in upgrading the charm, jacekn filed a bug, I am creating a card for that
[11:22] <rick_h_> frankban: rgr, I tried to load that bug but it failed to come up. curious what's up
[11:23] <frankban> rick_h_: can you see it now? https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/juju-gui/+bug/1373875
[11:23] <rick_h_> frankban: no, says "lost something" and getting 404
[11:24] <frankban> rick_h_: it's a private bug, I subscribed you, can you see it now?
[11:25] <rick_h_> frankban: ah ty 
[11:25] <rick_h_> frankban: yes I can see it now
[11:25] <frankban> rick_h_: cool
[11:30] <frankban> jcastro: I am not beeing able to dupe the inspector bug on a local env with three deployed services using both chrome and firefox. any specific steps?
[11:30] <jcastro> I'll follow up with you after we finish here with these customers
[11:31] <frankban> jcastro: cpp;
[11:31] <frankban> cool even
[11:31] <jcastro> frankban, what version of the charm should we be on?
[11:31] <frankban> jcastro: I am trying with cs:trusty/juju-gui-8
[11:55] <rick_h_> frankban: available to start our call a couple of min early?
[11:55]  * rick_h_ has a break for nap time slotted after it :)
[11:55] <frankban> rick_h_: now is ok
[11:56] <frankban> rick_h_: I am in the hangout
[12:06]  * frankban lunches
[12:17] <rick_h_> luca: jujucharms.com is updated and stuff is live
[12:17] <rick_h_> luca__: sally will start hunting you for your blog post, congrats and yay
[12:39] <luca__> rick_h_: haha thanks
[12:39] <luca__> rick_h_: has it all been released?
[14:19] <rick_h_> morning take two
[14:21] <hatch> mornin 
[14:22] <hatch> jcsackett: rick_h_ so it seems that everywhere where we create a new environment needs the ecs passed in - I'll continue fixing those up this morning
[14:22] <rick_h_> hatch: k, one thing to think about is either having that do some default work or making a factory method that handles that
[14:22] <jcsackett> morning.
[14:23] <jcsackett> hatch: yeah, i was encountering the same sort of issue when i was trying to fix that.
[14:23] <hatch> rick_h_: I was thinking that but it is only a couple lines per test and some tests use mocks
[14:23] <hatch> so I think a factory won't get us much
[14:23] <rick_h_> hatch: rgr
[14:24] <jcsackett> hatch: if you start hitting env/go.js related stuff, let me know. that's the part i'm currently working on and we might need to coordinate.
[14:33] <jcsackett> hatch: don't know about you, but i am discovering that `make test-debug` is not remotely reliable for tracking failures in this work.
[14:34] <hatch> jcsackett: tbh I can't figure out why it doesn't fail
[14:34] <hatch> I think it's too fast
[14:34]  * jcsackett nods
[14:34] <hatch> and even in the browser it's too fast
[14:35] <hatch> app.js is poorly constructed anyways - but we've always known that
[14:35] <jcsackett> hatch: i've also found that it'll crash out and report significantly fewer errors then there actually are.
[14:36] <hatch> jcsackett: yeah - but that also happens in the browser
[14:36] <jcsackett> hatch: oh goody.
[14:36] <hatch> that's because of how mocha works and how we have structured the tests
[14:36] <jcsackett> well, i haven't seen that happen in the browser yet, at least.
[14:37] <jcsackett> hatch: so, basically our tests are riddled with structural problems that make this harder? awesome! :p
[14:38] <hatch> and our code
[14:38] <hatch> the next season of House of Cards will be about the GUI
[14:38] <rick_h_> die mocha die
[14:39] <hatch> haha it's only partly mochas fault
[14:39] <hatch> tbh there isn't exactly a better alternative
[14:39] <rick_h_> meh, I still want it to die
[14:41] <jcsackett> +100000000
[14:41] <jcsackett> if only b/c at this point i'm feeling vindictive towards it.
[14:41] <jcsackett> :p
[14:41] <rick_h_> anger leads to hate, hate leads to wanting it to die
[14:44] <jcsackett> wanting it do die leads to the dark side?
[14:45] <rick_h_> psh, I'm working on getting promoted up the dark side chain of command and gaining choke powers
[14:46] <jcsackett> let me know when you get lightning powers--i have a neighbor i could use your help with.
[14:50] <rick_h_> jujugui call in 10
[14:50] <rick_h_> frankban: you've got the call today
[14:50] <rick_h_> jujugui I won't be joining, I have more crazy calls to do today 
[14:51] <rick_h_> and I'm fix releasing bugs so watch out for the email onslaught!
[15:01] <frankban> kadams54, urulama-afk: hangout?
[15:01] <kadams54> frankban: will be there in a moment, as soon as Google lets me in :-\
[15:08] <hatch> jcsackett: er mah gerd https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/587#issuecomment-56832589
[15:08] <jcsackett> hatch: WHOOOOO!!!!
[15:08] <hatch> now to rebase and ship
[15:08] <rick_h_> :)
[15:11] <hatch> I'm going to wait on the rebased tests to pass before shipping just to be safe
[15:11] <hatch> don't want something spurious to get into develop
[15:20] <hatch> jujugui who has a ps4? More importantly who has a PS version of Destiny?
[15:21] <jcsackett> hatch: you are really into the whole destiny thing, huh? :p
[15:21] <hatch> no I just want what I want - since I can't get what I want for a price I want I'm getting  what I don't want 
[15:22] <hatch> want
[15:22] <hatch> :
[15:22] <hatch> P
[15:22] <kadams54> Well, that makes as much sense as everything else hatch says.
[15:22] <kadams54> ;-)
[15:22] <hatch> it's true
[15:22] <hatch> so 
[15:22] <kadams54> lol
[15:22] <hatch> no other gamers eh?
[15:23] <kadams54> Um… does Boom Beach count?
[15:23] <hatch> I
[15:23] <hatch>  don't even want to google that
[15:23] <kadams54> lol
[15:24] <kadams54> Having kids has curtailed my gaming activities. Icksnay on the time-sucking massively multiplayer type games.
[15:25] <hatch> you don't have them gaming?
[15:25] <hatch> or too young?
[15:26] <frankban> hatch: I have a ps4 but I don't think I am going to buy that game, it seems diablo-like, too much life consuming
[15:26] <jrwren> There is only starcraft2.
[15:26] <frankban> hatch: I played the last of us on the ps4 and it is quite impressive FYI
[15:26] <hatch> frankban: well it's more like a FPS with mmo like elements
[15:26] <hatch> jrwren: lol - we should have a lan party in brussels :P
[15:27] <hatch> can you even have lan parties anymore?
[15:27] <hatch> I'm betting it all has to go through a central server
[15:27] <jrwren> hatch: DreamHack is this weekend, but LAN only is no longer a thing. All the games require internet connections.
[15:28] <hatch> :(
[15:28] <jrwren> hatch: we can still play in same room in brussels. Its still fun.
[15:28] <hatch> if the internet is fast enough
[15:29] <hatch> I'll do the lag hack on you and win
[15:29] <hatch> it really is the only way I'll be able to
[15:30] <hatch> frankban: atm the only ps4 pkg is the Last Of Us package - so it's worth getting?
[15:32] <frankban> hatch: I got the last of us at about 45 euros, and it includes the nice "left behind" dlc. I think it's really worth playing it
[15:33] <hatch> cool
[15:33] <hatch> I've had only xbox since release day of 'Xbox''
[15:33] <hatch> switching camps is sad to see all those gamerpoints go
[15:43] <hatch> jcsackett: passed after refactoring so I'm shipping it
[15:43] <hatch> feel free to pull my changes into your branch if you like
[15:48] <rick_h_> luca__: you hear from sally at all?
[15:48] <luca__> rick_h_: no, I was going to speak to her
[15:48] <rick_h_> luca__: ok, my understanding was release today, homepage takeover tomorrow
[15:49] <luca__> rick_h_: My blog post will be going for review with Ale in about half an hour
[15:49] <rick_h_> but it's feeling late in your day for that. Maybe it's all for tomorrow?
[15:49] <luca__> rick_h_: ok
[15:49] <luca__> rick_h_: I’ll go and speak with her
[15:49] <luca__> rick_h_: sec
[15:49] <rick_h_> luca__: cool thanks
[15:49] <rick_h_> hatch: how's your blog post?
[15:49] <hatch> rick_h_: working on it now - just got the other branch to be landable
[15:49] <rick_h_> hatch: cool
[15:55] <hatch> thanks to 
[15:56] <hatch> tinder every time I log into tumblr I think I'm visiting a porn site
[15:56] <rick_h_> hatch: kadams54 jcsackett Makyo can you guys jump in the standup hangout for a sec?
[15:56] <hatch> joining
[15:56] <kadams54> sure
[16:02] <rick_h_> jcsackett: ping when you get back/around
[16:02] <jcsackett> rick_h_: i just jumped in the hangout as people logged out.
[16:03] <jcsackett> sorry, was packing things up for a meeting
[16:03] <jcsackett> rick_h_: i can talk now if it's short or ping you about 1:30ish?
[16:03] <rick_h_> jcsackett: sure jump back in
[16:11] <luca__> rick_h_: all posts and takeovers are going up tomorrow
[16:11] <rick_h_> luca__: ah, ok. well :P
[16:13] <rick_h_> hatch: ^
[16:13] <rick_h_> hatch: so if you could be ready with your post and space to embed the video once it's up it'd be great
[16:14] <hatch> yeah for sure - I was also hoping to get links to the other articles and such to link to
[16:14] <rick_h_> hatch: yep, sounds like I won't have urls for those until tomorrow
[16:15] <hatch> yeah np - I can add them in after, I'll also not make it public until tomorrow 
[16:15] <hatch> I could time the release for EU morning too if we wanted
[16:16] <rick_h_> hatch: well let's do it in your AM if that's cool. 
[16:16] <rick_h_> then it'll be a follow up vs all at the same time
[16:16] <hatch> yep np
[16:16] <rick_h_> or even later in the day, when you get a chance
[16:16] <rick_h_> mad rush of things with canonical logos, then a follow up without 
[16:16] <hatch> well I can do it on a timer vs manual if we wanted a specific time
[16:17]  * luca__ has just seen his spamed up email…
[16:18] <rick_h_> bwuhahhaha, mark all luca__'s bugs as invalid!
[16:18] <hatch> lol
[16:19] <luca__> rick_h_: haha
[16:20] <rick_h_> luca__: wine time tonight!
[16:21] <rick_h_> jcsackett: kadams54 can we punt on today's calls as s/1-1 call/happy release dance ?
[16:21] <kadams54> Sure.
[16:22] <rick_h_> jcsackett: kadams54 and if not no problem, we can chat
[16:22] <rick_h_> but I'll be doing a happy dance while we chat, fair warning :P
[16:22] <kadams54> :-b
[16:22] <kadams54> Break out the glowsticks
[16:23] <kadams54> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx1eDmuYQg8
[16:27] <rick_h_> woot
[16:53] <rick_h_> hatch: can you point me at the bug you fixed recently around the config options and the GUI that caused your mysql issues?
[16:53] <hatch> ohh
[16:53] <hatch> hmm
[16:53] <hatch> gimme a few
[16:54] <rick_h_> hatch: rgr, looking here as well but I think the title was a bit off from the end result if I recall
[16:54] <hatch> holy the kanban is clean
[16:54] <lazyPower> so
[16:55] <lazyPower> i just deployed the new gui, and noticed machine view is in there
[16:55] <mbruzek> rick_h_: I just saw the new GUI, that looks AWESOME!
[16:55] <lazyPower> i have one hashtag for you guys
[16:55] <lazyPower> #badass
[16:55] <hatch> :D
[16:55] <rick_h_> lazyPower: yes, we'll have full announcements and videos and blog posts tomorrow coordinated with pr
[16:55] <mbruzek> The machine view is bad ass
[16:55] <lazyPower> 1 suggestion, and this may be a deal breaker - the cookie notifier hides stuff from me
[16:55] <rick_h_> yes, we're hoping we can create some new gui users over this. 
[16:55] <lazyPower> i was looking for commit and it was all tucked away under the UK Mandated cookie banner
[16:55] <rick_h_> lazyPower: yes, we're working with UX on it. We have to have it and are trying to find a way to make it less painful
[16:55] <mbruzek> Love the change log too
[16:56] <lazyPower> <3
[16:56] <lazyPower> you guys did awesome
[16:56] <lazyPower> and *are doing* awesome
[16:56] <mbruzek> nice
[16:56] <rick_h_> Makyo: have a link to your youtube handy for lazyPower and mbruzek while we wait on pr for tomorrow?
[16:57] <rick_h_> lazyPower: mbruzek thanks for checking it out and if you love it please help spread the word. We know a lot of people don't feel the gui fits their uses but with MV we're hoping some poeple will give it another shot and rethink it
[16:57] <Makyo> rick_h_, lazyPower mbruzek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEiwKLfzlX8
[16:57] <rick_h_> lazyPower: mbruzek and comments from people not on our team as appreciated towards that end
[16:58] <rick_h_> thanks Makyo 
[16:58] <mbruzek> Thanks for the link.
[16:58] <rick_h_> we'll be making a big fuss tomorrow with a ton of links and material to introduce it so keep an eye out
[16:59] <hatch> rick_h_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1365205
[16:59] <mup> Bug #1365205: Charm cannot be deployed, fails on install hook with gpg error <juju-gui:Fix Released> <mysql (Juju Charms Collection):Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1365205>
[16:59] <rick_h_> hatch: <3 ty
[17:17] <rick_h_> jujugui heads up no AU calls tonight. Huw is afk today. 
[17:17] <hatch> a o k
[17:19] <hatch> first post release bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1374050
[17:19] <mup> Bug #1374050: Inspector stays open after destroying a ghost service <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1374050>
[17:19] <hatch> I win
[17:19] <rick_h_> lol
[17:20] <rick_h_> ok, smallish one. I can live with that. 
[17:20] <rick_h_> Makyo: up for taking a peek? ^
[17:22] <rick_h_> BradCrittenden: speaking of sorry, we wanted to sync up. Do you have time?
[17:38] <hatch> rick_h_:  my branches landing failure is legit - but it only happens while merging :/
[17:38] <hatch> I'll push up some updates soon
[17:38] <rick_h_> hatch: rgr
[17:55] <BradCrittenden> rick_h_: chat in a few minutes?
[17:56] <rick_h_> bac: k
[18:00] <bac> rick_h_: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/rick?authuser=0
[18:01] <rick_h_> go go gadget chrome
[18:01] <Makyo> rick_h_, sorry, was outside.  Got it.
[18:01] <rick_h_> Makyo: all good, thanks
[18:02] <rick_h_> go go gadget firefox
[18:03] <rick_h_> bac: ok, made it in
[18:03]  * jcsackett finally checks email, grins at the ton of bug mail.
[18:03] <rick_h_> close em all!
[18:04] <rick_h_> well, all but 210 of them :/
[18:04]  * rick_h_ needs to spend some more bug time tomorrow
[18:06] <rick_h_> bac: died on me here. 
[18:07]  * hatch stepping out for lunch
[18:10] <Makyo> Huh, can't reproduce this bug, is the description missing a step?
[18:22] <rick_h_> jujugui going to get lunch and then dr apt at 3pm so probably won't be back until late tonight if anyone needs anything
[20:08] <marcoceppi> rick_h_:  et al
[20:08] <marcoceppi> did machine view launch?
[20:09] <Makyo> marcoceppi, deployed to jujucharms.com, official release stuff is tomorrow.
[20:11] <Makyo> hatch, do you have any more detail on that bug?  Can't reproduce for the life of me.
[20:13] <hatch> Makyo: on sandbox?
[20:14] <Makyo> hatch, yep. Destroying a service clears state for me
[20:14] <hatch> hmm lemme try again
[20:15] <hatch> Makyo: well wth
[20:15] <hatch> I also can no longer reproduce
[20:15] <hatch> so sorry
[20:15] <hatch> I don't know what happened
[20:15] <Makyo> No, that's a good thing :)
[20:15] <hatch> haha I suppose
[20:17] <hatch> bah we are having serious power/internet issues atm
[20:17] <hatch> well not serious
[20:17] <hatch> but irritating
[20:17] <hatch> haha
[20:28] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: yep, what Makyo said. PR push is tomorrow but the code is out today
[20:30] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: I see you're doing a talk, feel free to show MV there
[20:30] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: if it's something that fits your presentatoin
[20:41] <hatch> it sure seems like people are going to like this mv
[20:41] <hatch> cant wait to see what else people have to say about it heh
[20:56] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: it just popped up in my gui for the demo
[20:56] <marcoceppi> so I was like, uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[20:56] <marcoceppi> but I'm definitely going to use it for the demo
[20:56] <marcoceppi> rock on
[20:57] <marcoceppi> Makyo: hatch rick_h_ team, etc, et al, really fucking fantastic job on the machine view stuff
[20:57] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: cool
[20:58] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: glad you like it :)
[20:58] <marcoceppi> it's going to make my talks soooo much easier to explain and may have me permenantly move to gui for working with juju ;)
[20:58] <rick_h_> well, you can wait until we add debug log into there later this cycle before you move GUI only :P
[20:58] <marcoceppi> :O
[20:58] <marcoceppi> if you could find a way to put debug hooks in there ;) I'd never use the command line again :P
[21:01] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: one thing to be aware of, we disable containers for most providers (other than maas) right now since you can't route network traffic to the public
[21:01] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: cool
[21:01] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: so that users don't put wordpress in a container, expose it, and think they can view it from their browser
[21:02] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: but we've got a flag to override that /:flags:/containers
[21:02] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: so add that to the url and it'll over ride it. So if you know what you're doing, and put haproxy on the root, mysql and wordpress in lxc containers, you can do nice demos on ec2 for instance
[21:02] <rick_h_> then only expose haproxy and everything works
[21:03] <marcoceppi> gotchya, I won't be doing anything crazy like that
[21:03] <marcoceppi> I'll wait for juju to figure all that out
[21:03] <marcoceppi> good to know
[21:03] <rick_h_> cool
[21:04]  * rick_h_ hits eod and goes to get the boy from day care
[21:09] <marcoceppi> hum, commit doesn't seem to be working
[21:09] <marcoceppi> oh, there it goes
[21:25] <hatch> marcoceppi: if you run into any oddities plz do let us know :)