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| sa_ | hi all | 01:05 |
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| sa_ | are you who control my pv? | 01:05 |
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| Guest59309 | Can someone help me please? I'm trying to resize the browser icon to the right of the kmenu button. Does anybody know how to do this? | 02:21 |
| Guest59309 | I'm trying to resize the browser icon to the right of the kmenu button. Does anybody know how to do this? | 02:34 |
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| jackRussel | hello i need help | 06:16 |
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| valorie | jackRussel: can you say more about what you need? | 06:18 |
| jackRussel | jes ihave a problem with my swap partition | 06:19 |
| valorie | what problem is that? | 06:19 |
| valorie | !swap | 06:19 |
| ubottu | swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info | 06:19 |
| valorie | the link there might help, jackRussel ^^ | 06:20 |
| jackRussel | yes i know i have enough but it mountet not automaticly | 06:20 |
| hateball | !fstab | 06:21 |
| ubottu | The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab and http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions | 06:21 |
| hateball | That's where you make that happen ^ | 06:21 |
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| lordievader | Good morning. | 07:26 |
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| BluesKaj | Hey folks | 10:53 |
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| nick_name_ | hey | 11:03 |
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| cornfeedhobo | anyone else having trouble with audio dropping lately? | 12:00 |
| cornfeedhobo | well, nvm, my updates appear to answer yes | 12:00 |
| BluesKaj | cornfeedhobo, intel audio? | 12:09 |
| cornfeedhobo | ya | 12:11 |
| cornfeedhobo | BluesKaj: ^ | 12:11 |
| BluesKaj | cornfeedhobo, there's a bug with the snd-hda-intel driver not loading after upgrades to the system , sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel , usually solves the problem and a reboot is usually necessary | 12:13 |
| cornfeedhobo | BluesKaj: yeah, i had to reboot. is this a kernel-level bug? | 12:26 |
| BluesKaj | cornfeedhobo, most likely if a reboot is needed | 12:27 |
| cornfeedhobo | cool, should be easier for me to find and watch. thanks | 12:27 |
| BluesKaj | cornfeedhobo, that bug has been around for a long time, years in fact, but i can't figure out why it doesn't get fixed...I'm guessing because the fix is so easy | 12:31 |
| cornfeedhobo | hmmm. i am only just now being hit by it | 12:32 |
| cornfeedhobo | and i have had this laptop for over a year now | 12:32 |
| cornfeedhobo | lame | 12:32 |
| BluesKaj | I have the intel audio chip on thei laptop, but I haven't seen the bug here ...yet :) | 12:33 |
| BluesKaj | this | 12:33 |
| cornfeedhobo | heh. that sporadic. have to love hard to peg bugs :p | 12:34 |
| BluesKaj | this laptop is about a year old too, Lenovo G500 | 12:34 |
| cornfeedhobo | like that kde window decoration ticket that has been open for 2+ years :p | 12:34 |
| cornfeedhobo | ha! lenovo x1 carbon | 12:35 |
| cornfeedhobo | i was looking at getting a system76 custom build next | 12:35 |
| BluesKaj | cornfeedhobo, ahh nice , same machine as my daughter has... being a home user this laptop works well for me | 12:36 |
| cornfeedhobo | yeah, more suiting. i am pretty mobile | 12:37 |
| BluesKaj | <----retired | 12:37 |
| cornfeedhobo | soon.... https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YKUOB8MN4Kc/hqdefault.jpg | 12:38 |
| BluesKaj | heh :) | 12:39 |
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| amichair | does anyone know where one can find a list of tablets which can run Kubuntu (and/or linux in general)? | 14:03 |
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| davls82 | Hi all | 15:18 |
| lordievader | o/ | 15:18 |
| TheFakeazneD525 | o/ | 15:20 |
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| |xk05| | bash (4.3-7ubuntu1.1), tnx | 16:06 |
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| juanr | quien me puede,ayudar con qwit en kubuntu 14.04,he buscado por todos lados ,,y sigue tirando ,,error while trying oauth....gracias.. | 17:45 |
| aoa_ | Dose anyone know anything about Small black box corruption when scroll page on firefox | 17:45 |
| lordievader | !spanish | juanr | 17:45 |
| ubottu | juanr: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba " /join #ubuntu-es " (sin comillas) y presione intro. | 17:45 |
| BluesKaj | aoa_, on the fonts / | 17:47 |
| BluesKaj | ? | 17:47 |
| aoa_ | no i googled and i find a bug reprted on https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68410#c42 | 17:49 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 68410 in Driver/intel "[bisected ivb] Small black box corruption in firefox" [Normal,Resolved: worksforme] | 17:50 |
| aoa_ | it seem driver intel HD graphic has bug | 17:50 |
| lordievader | aoa_: From the 'worksforme' status I think it is a hard to reproduce bug. | 17:50 |
| BluesKaj | have you updated and upgraded ? | 17:51 |
| aoa_ | i update kubuntu any day and i use the last kernel from official repo but i have still this bug | 17:51 |
| aoa_ | please watch this video http://www.mediafire.com/watch/38280t5jhns06uk/Kazam_screencast_00000.mp4 | 17:51 |
| aoa_ | it from two Month ago but now i use kubuntu 14.04.1 and still have same bug | 17:53 |
| lordievader | !info xserver-xorg-video-intel | 17:53 |
| ubottu | xserver-xorg-video-intel (source: xserver-xorg-video-intel): X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver. In component main, is optional. Version 2:2.99.910-0ubuntu1.1 (trusty), package size 579 kB, installed size 2814 kB (Only available for amd64; i386; kfreebsd-amd64; kfreebsd-i386) | 17:53 |
| lordievader | According to the bug report that version should contain the fix. | 17:54 |
| BluesKaj | aoa_, looks like a flash problem | 17:54 |
| aoa_ | lordievade: yes is shuold be but it dosen't | 17:55 |
| lordievader | aoa_: Also, this is #kubuntu, not #ubuntu. | 17:57 |
| lordievader | aoa_: Reopen the bug report, I'd say. | 17:58 |
| aoa_ | yes yes i konw but this bug avilable on kubuntu too | 17:58 |
| aoa_ | i like do that but my English is not good for Comment bug | 17:59 |
| aoa_ | i never report any bug | 17:59 |
| lordievader | Then they won't get fixed either. Developers are not wizards, though sometimes it seems like it. | 17:59 |
| aoa_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/8427146/ | 18:01 |
| aoa_ | best recommend for me ? | 18:02 |
| aoa_ | where i report this bug ? | 18:07 |
| aoa_ | launchpad | 18:08 |
| BluesKaj | odd haven't seen that on my laptop with intel gpu i915 driver | 18:09 |
| aoa_ | BluesKaj: have't you any bug on i915 driver ? | 18:13 |
| BluesKaj | aoa_, no | 18:14 |
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| aoa_ | which use Intel HD graphic ? i use Intel HD 4000 | 18:14 |
| BluesKaj | yes aoa_ , same here | 18:18 |
| aoa_ | i'm confused , for what i have this bug and you haven't ? | 18:19 |
| aoa_ | how i remove driver and reinstall it ? | 18:20 |
| BluesKaj | aoa_, what is the actual website url, what you posted is only a screenshot ...need to test the real site to see what is happening | 18:23 |
| aoa_ | i wrote topic on kubuntu froum https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?66448-Small-black-box-corruption-when-scroll-firefox-intel-HD-4000&p=359090#post359090 | 18:28 |
| aoa_ | but dose not anybody answer me | 18:29 |
| * BluesKaj shakes his head | 18:50 | |
| BluesKaj | hopeless | 18:50 |
| usb_less | hi everyone - after doing an upgrade to Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS foro 14.04 - i find my usb mouse & keyboard no longer work, when kde starts | 19:17 |
| usb_less | thats should have been *upgrade to Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS FROM 14.04* | 19:18 |
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| usb_less | could my usb issue be related somehow to upgrading to kernel 3.13.0-36-generic ? | 19:21 |
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| Walex | usb_less: extremely unlikely | 20:03 |
| Walex | usb_less: I am using that kernel myself. | 20:03 |
| Walex | usb_less: also, the upgrade from 14.04 to 14.04.1 is rather light and uncontroversial | 20:03 |
| Walex | usb_less: also you should not "upgrade" to 14.04.1 if you have 14.04; you should be upgrading an LTS pretty much continuously, especially for the security updates. | 20:04 |
| usb_less | hmm. ok walesx - interestingly the usb mouse +keyboard work fine while in the bios | 20:04 |
| Walex | usb_less: that is when 14.04.1 is officially released you should already have all the packages at that version except the version release package... | 20:04 |
| Walex | usb_less: do they work in the character console? | 20:05 |
| usb_less | i've read elsewhere it may be related to IOMUU | 20:05 |
| Walex | usb_less: also look at the output of 'lsusb' | 20:05 |
| usb_less | or VTd | 20:05 |
| Walex | usb_less: that could be the case, sounds strange though. | 20:05 |
| usb_less | kk hold a mo, i'll look | 20:05 |
| usb_less | agreed :) | 20:06 |
| Walex | usb_less: are you running it in a VM or on the real HW? | 20:06 |
| usb_less | no on real HW | 20:06 |
| usb_less | lsusb --> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 002: ID 045e:0040 Microsoft Corp. Wheel Mouse Optical | 20:07 |
| Walex | usb_less: the mouse obviously is there, but the keyboard seems to have gone missing. Weird. | 20:07 |
| Walex | usb_less: checked the cabling carefully? Changed the USB port "just in case"? But then it works in the BIOS... | 20:08 |
| Walex | usb_less: are you using a KVM switch? Some unusal keyboard with a non-standard protocol? | 20:08 |
| usb_less | nope | 20:09 |
| usb_less | 's a pretty cheap kbrd tbh | 20:10 |
| BluesKaj | usb_less, this wouldn't happen to be wireless usb KB and mouse ? | 20:10 |
| usb_less | seem to remember we had tp flash the bios's on pc's at work to get the kbrds to ever work reliably | 20:11 |
| usb_less | no, both are wired | 20:11 |
| BluesKaj | ok | 20:11 |
| Walex | usb_less: tried to unplug and plug them in again after boot? | 20:12 |
| lordievader | Look at the udevadm output when you do that. | 20:12 |
| Walex | usb_less: I have had some similar trouble, but I use a KVM with keyboard emulation (and without) and mechanical high end keyboards with weird protocols | 20:12 |
| usb_less | yeah i've tried the plug, unplug thing | 20:13 |
| Walex | udevadm monitor | 20:13 |
| Walex | usb_less: look also at 'dmesg | less' after plugging them in again | 20:13 |
| lordievader | usb_less: Did the udevadm command show you anything when plugging it in? | 20:13 |
| Walex | usb_less: have you put something else that draws current in nearby USB sockets? | 20:14 |
| usb_less | no | 20:14 |
| lordievader | Is that to Walex, or to me? | 20:14 |
| usb_less | yeah it shows the kbd & mouse being ADDED | 20:14 |
| lordievader | Ok, at least the kernel sees something happens. | 20:15 |
| usb_less | yeah | 20:15 |
| Walex | usb_less: but then why doesn't 'lsusb' list the keyboard? | 20:15 |
| lordievader | usb_less: dmesg stays empty? | 20:16 |
| Walex | usb_less: to get better formatting try 'lsusb | pastebinit' | 20:16 |
| usb_less | never had any issue with 'em prior to the upgrade | 20:16 |
| Walex | usb_less: then look at the X server log, if they are reconignized by 'udev' they ought to be appearing in there. | 20:16 |
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| usb_less | actually walesx this is what i get from lsusb -> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:8000 Intel Corp. Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:8008 Intel Corp. Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 004 Device 003: ID 045b:0210 Hitachi, Ltd Bus 004 Device 002: ID 045b:0210 Hitachi, Ltd Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub Bus 003 Devi | 20:17 |
| usb_less | kk let me look in the log | 20:17 |
| lordievader | !paste | usb_less | 20:17 |
| ubottu | usb_less: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 20:17 |
| Walex | usb_less: as I told you, use 'pastebinit' | 20:17 |
| usb_less | ubottu - gotcha - ty | 20:17 |
| ubottu | usb_less: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 20:17 |
| usb_less | lmfao, smartass bot | 20:18 |
| lordievader | That's ubottu for you ;) | 20:18 |
| Walex | usb_less: doing a search for "045b:0210" turns up some interesting articles... | 20:19 |
| Walex | usb_less: they seem to refer to using a USB3 for a keyboard not being always a good idea. | 20:19 |
| usb_less | didn't think mine was usb 3 tbh | 20:20 |
| Walex | usb_less: your hard to read past does not list a USB3 hub driver... | 20:20 |
| usb_less | yeah, that might be the case | 20:21 |
| usb_less | seem to recall having to compile an intel nic driver for it when i initially got the board | 20:22 |
| Walex | usb_less: 3.13 is a very recent kernel, should have everything | 20:22 |
| usb_less | yeah | 20:22 |
| usb_less | walex - what am i grepping the xorg log for? | 20:23 |
| Walex | usb_less: usually 'grep evdev' | 20:24 |
| usb_less | walesx - i can find stuff like - 4.098] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall" | 20:25 |
| usb_less | ok | 20:25 |
| Walex | usb_less: have you checked whether they are plugged into a USB3 socket? | 20:25 |
| usb_less | walex - http://paste.ubuntu.com/8428001/ | 20:26 |
| usb_less | erm, usb sockets are blac, not blue so assuming usb2 | 20:26 |
| Walex | usb_less: you should be seeing lines like "evdev: USB Keyboard: Device: "/dev/input/event10" | 20:27 |
| Walex | usb_less: also try 'grep "config/udev: Adding input device" | pastebinit' | 20:28 |
| usb_less | nah, i'm not seeing that walesx, only what i just posted on paste.ubuntu.com | 20:28 |
| usb_less | sorry, i meant walex | 20:29 |
| usb_less | ok walex, willdo | 20:29 |
| Walex | usb_less: if those don't happen then while 'udevadm monitor' shows that 'udev' recognizes the devices, they don't get passed to the X server | 20:29 |
| Walex | usb_less: you may have a non-standard 'xorg.conf' that disables 'udev' attachment of input devices, which used to be the default. | 20:30 |
| usb_less | walex - that last grep just kinda sat there - had to ctrl c it....... | 20:32 |
| usb_less | what file should i be grep'ing? | 20:32 |
| Walex | usb_less: also try 'grep "config/udev: Adding input device" /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit' | 20:34 |
| usb_less | walex - no doubt the xorg could be a bit iffy - as i usually use nvivia driver, but currently due to borked update, i think its prob running in vesa mode or something | 20:34 |
| usb_less | kk walex willdo- ty | 20:35 |
| Walex | usb_less: also 'dmesg | grep input: | tail -20 | pastebinit' | 20:35 |
| Walex | usb_less: then also 'cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | pastebinit' to be sure | 20:35 |
| usb_less | http://paste.ubuntu.com/8428078/ | 20:36 |
| Walex | usb_less: have you tried to do Ctrl-Alt-F1 to go to a text console and see if either works there? | 20:36 |
| usb_less | http://paste.ubuntu.com/8428089/ | 20:36 |
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| usb_less | difficult to do when kbrds not working | 20:37 |
| Walex | usb_less: don't you have another keyboard? A PS2 keyboard? | 20:37 |
| usb_less | currently ssh'd into the box | 20:37 |
| Walex | usb_less: if you are logged in remotely, 'sudo chvt 01' | 20:37 |
| usb_less | erm, lemme look | 20:37 |
| usb_less | kk ty walex | 20:37 |
| Walex | usb_less: the 'grep' of the X log and the 'grep' of the 'dmesg' show zero keyboard and mouse, so it is unlikely that 'udevadm monitor' showed them | 20:38 |
| usb_less | yeah that got the box to drop to console - but keyboard didn't work | 20:39 |
| usb_less | let me see if this old ps2 kbrd works | 20:40 |
| Walex | usb_less: then try to find another keyboard and plug it in. Or another mouse. | 20:40 |
| Walex | usb_less: ideally actually not a PS/2 one as that will surely :-) | 20:40 |
| Walex | usb_less: ideally actually not a PS/2 one as that will surely :-) work | 20:40 |
| usb_less | yeah the ps2 one works fine | 20:41 |
| usb_less | walex - just tried an alternate usb kbrd - but still no joy | 20:42 |
| Walex | usb_less: on a USB socket as far away from the current one as possible? So it ends up on a different hub? | 20:43 |
| usb_less | ist ther a command line mouse utility i could test the usb mose with walex? | 20:43 |
| usb_less | okies lemme try that | 20:43 |
| Walex | usb_less: 'gpm' | 20:43 |
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| usb_less | ty walex - just plugged alternate usb kbrd into back usb port on board - still no joy | 20:44 |
| === Bl4ckSh4d0w is now known as Setsu | ||
| TJ- | usb_less: Have you checked through the kernel log for possible USB controller/driver crashes/faults? | 20:46 |
| usb_less | walex - sudo gpm didn't seem to do much - is that because i'mm ssh'd in? | 20:46 |
| usb_less | no so far walex - but i will | 20:46 |
| * Setsu Back | 20:46 | |
| Walex | usb_less: 'gpm' is a mouse server for the console | 20:47 |
| Walex | usb_less: grep usb /proc/interrupts | pastebinit | 20:48 |
| Walex | usb_less: do any other USB thingies work, like flash memory? | 20:48 |
| usb_less | not tried yet walex | 20:48 |
| usb_less | walex - doesn't look like there's any usb crash/faults in the kernal log | 20:50 |
| Walex | usb_less: weirder and weirder | 20:50 |
| Walex | usb_less: which motherboard is that? | 20:51 |
| usb_less | walex - its a gigabyte Z87X-UD4H | 20:51 |
| usb_less | though the bios is at v3 and i think their up to v9 now | 20:52 |
| Walex | usb_less: BTW doing a search for "Z87X-UD4H usb keyboard" shows a lot of similar cases | 20:53 |
| Walex | http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1796107 | 20:54 |
| Walex | http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte/55506-ga-z87x-ud4h-usb-issues-frozen-mouse-keyboard-sticking-keys.html | 20:54 |
| Walex | http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-1721619/z87x-ud4h-motherboard-problems.html | 20:54 |
| Walex | http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php?topic=13640.0 | 20:55 |
| usb_less | ah - interesting | 20:55 |
| usb_less | walex - was working fine - right up until i did the update | 20:55 |
| Walex | usb_less: it was working accidentally | 20:55 |
| usb_less | lol walex - you might have a point there | 20:56 |
| Walex | usb_less: I would suggest a BIOS upgrade (but one of the pages says version 7 does not help, so get a later one). | 20:57 |
| Walex | usb_less: also changing the BIOS settings for USB might be worth trying. For example disabling entirely the USB3 chips. | 20:58 |
| usb_less | okies walex - i'll give that a go - TY so much for your help | 20:58 |
| usb_less | okies noted - also good advice i think walex | 20:58 |
| Walex | usb_less: it looks like an intermittent hw bug | 20:58 |
| usb_less | yeah, it certainly does | 20:58 |
| Guest37712 | any clonezilla fellas | 20:58 |
| Walex | http://www.sevenforums.com/hardware-devices/319855-gigabyte-ga-z87x-ud4h-intermittent-usb-failure-mouse-keyboard.html | 20:58 |
| lordievader | usb_less: Is there a usb legacy option in your bios? | 20:58 |
| Walex | lordievader: good point, another thing to try. | 20:59 |
| usb_less | yes walex there is | 20:59 |
| lordievader | usb_less: Is it enabled? I thought for my mobo that if I disable it usb keyboards stop functioning. Never properly tested it though. | 20:59 |
| usb_less | walex - let me check in the bios - afk a mo doing that | 21:01 |
| Guest37712 | fellas! | 21:02 |
| TJ- | "Legacy USB" simply means the BIOS continues providing USB device HID services to the boot-loader and OS, unless they take over with their own device driver - which allows USB keyboards at boot-time, before OS is fully loaded. | 21:15 |
| === Setsu is now known as zz_Setsu | ||
| usb_less | walex - if you're still there - i flashed the bios from v3 to v8 and set USB to legacy and no diff - athough i notice while the pc is booting up i can see it flash the kbrd light - most likely as it tries to start the x server - but then nada | 21:34 |
| jubo2 | Hello and good FLGOSS devel appreciation day | 21:38 |
| jubo2 | though that's been over for 38 minutes in Finlan timezone | 21:38 |
| jubo2 | If it would be possible to get microphone monitoring mixed in with the karaoke signal it'd be teh awesome | 21:38 |
| jubo2 | so far I've some ALSA stuff, some PulseAudio stuff and PAVUControl stuff, none of which I understand | 21:39 |
| jubo2 | can't be complicated, works on Windows7 without major h4x0ring | 21:39 |
| jubo2 | want to mix microphone with soundtrack. if have information you can find me here, dänks-plos | 21:41 |
| === troy is now known as Torededer | ||
| Torededer | Yo anybody here? | 23:57 |
| Torededer | I came to ask how to keep plasma desktop and kwin always running because they usually dont stay running for some reason :/ so i have not exit out buttons, no minimize buttons or anything! i cant even drag the window around | 23:59 |
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