| pitti | Good morning | 04:56 |
|---|---|---|
| sarnold | good morning pitti | 04:57 |
| === thumper is now known as thumper-afk | ||
| didrocks | morning | 06:15 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers! | 07:19 |
| didrocks | hey seb128 | 07:20 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks ;-) | 07:20 |
| darkxst | hey seb128 | 07:24 |
| seb128 | hey darkxst | 07:24 |
| darkxst | seb128, empathy is working fine under gnome now with my Adwaita patch in Bug 1339352 | 07:25 |
| ubot5 | bug 1339352 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Update to 3.12" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1339352 | 07:25 |
| seb128 | darkxst, great | 07:26 |
| seb128 | darkxst, btw I just commented on the gnome-desktop ffe, you are sure than updating gnome-session is ok? | 07:29 |
| seb128 | they dropped the gtk session dialogs iirc and those are needed in some session types? | 07:29 |
| seb128 | "13_display_session_properties.patch, Dropped session UI is gone " | 07:33 |
| seb128 | that also I think is not true, I don't see it being dropped in 3.10 | 07:33 |
| === maclin_ is now known as maclin | ||
| Laney | bounjour tout le monde | 08:05 |
| seb128 | Laney, salut, ça va bien ? | 08:08 |
| Laney | pas mal | 08:12 |
| Laney | et toi? | 08:12 |
| seb128 | ça va bien merci ! | 08:13 |
| Laney | I ordered the new aphex twin album from japan and now I'm getting emails in japanese | 08:13 |
| Laney | it has my address in it so I am going to assume it means 'this has been sent' | 08:13 |
| seb128 | haha | 08:14 |
| seb128 | send the email to didrocks, he can read it for you ;-) | 08:14 |
| seb128 | some training before he goes there! | 08:14 |
| didrocks | ahah, "yeah yeah" | 08:14 |
| Laney | this is the crucial line | 08:15 |
| Laney | ご注文いただいた商品を本日、Amazon.co.jp が発送し、ご注文の処理が完了しましたので、お知らせいたします | 08:15 |
| seb128 | lot of weird chars in there, but it's from amazon.co.jp I can tell you :p | 08:16 |
| Laney | arigato | 08:17 |
| Laney | 14.10 top errors are funny | 08:28 |
| Laney | mostly new phone stuff | 08:28 |
| seb128 | that's what is the most tested/run in utopic | 08:28 |
| Laney | you think there are no desktop users? | 08:28 |
| Laney | I don't believe that | 08:28 |
| Laney | the top one has 69 occurrences which is also not believable to me | 08:29 |
| seb128 | I think that they full test/autopilot/etc 100 times a day each | 08:29 |
| seb128 | they don't* | 08:29 |
| seb128 | well | 08:29 |
| seb128 | in previous cycles we had the top ones at like 10 a day | 08:29 |
| Laney | wait, I had it on day | 08:29 |
| Laney | now those counts are better | 08:29 |
| seb128 | but yeah, I didn't say we don't have desktop users | 08:30 |
| seb128 | but lot of those turn off reporting/dismiss the prompts/etc I think | 08:30 |
| seb128 | and they don't run a full testsuite in loop | 08:30 |
| seb128 | so I think we just exercice more stress testing on the phone image | 08:31 |
| Laney | it's noised out desktop issues | 08:31 |
| seb128 | well, set the arch filter on amd64 | 08:31 |
| seb128 | that's probably representative of desktop | 08:31 |
| Laney | ubuntu-push-client url-dispatcher at the top?! | 08:32 |
| seb128 | yeah, people working on touch and installing unity8 stuff on their desktop and hitting those bugs | 08:32 |
| Laney | anyway, I thought that the goal of errors was to allow us to prioritise issues users are hitting | 08:40 |
| Laney | Canonical QA reporting to the same instance as end users isn't furthering that IMHO | 08:41 |
| seb128 | how do you suggest resolving the problem you describe? | 08:41 |
| seb128 | to me the problem is not new | 08:41 |
| Laney | somehow allowing these reports to be subtracted | 08:41 |
| seb128 | the number of reports we get in unstable series is not significant enough to be useful | 08:42 |
| seb128 | like in previous cycles we had the most reported issues being at 10 instances a day and they falling to 5 - 4 -3 -1 -1 | 08:42 |
| seb128 | e.g not enough report to have a statistically useful set | 08:43 |
| Laney | it's more useful than knowing that every time url-dispatcher is run on the phone it crashes in the same way | 08:43 |
| seb128 | then when we flag stable that jumps and the bugs topping a vastly different | 08:43 |
| Laney | or maybe we just say errors is a waste of time for unstable releases | 08:43 |
| seb128 | +1 | 08:44 |
| seb128 | that's my feeling for several cycles | 08:44 |
| Laney | which is kind of crap because it should be a good way of telling us what to work on | 08:44 |
| seb128 | and nothing new/specific to the fact that touch runs some qa | 08:44 |
| seb128 | well, we can't invent users | 08:44 |
| seb128 | our unstable userbase is just too small | 08:44 |
| seb128 | or they don't report issues through whoopsie | 08:44 |
| Laney | dunno about that | 08:44 |
| seb128 | or those issues fail to retrace | 08:44 |
| Laney | I bet they just disable whoopsie | 08:45 |
| Laney | or whatever | 08:45 |
| seb128 | or a combinaison of those | 08:45 |
| seb128 | yeah, likely | 08:45 |
| Sweetsha1k | Moin. | 08:45 |
| seb128 | hey Sweetsha1k | 08:45 |
| seb128 | Laney, well, I don't say we have not enough users | 08:45 |
| Sweetsha1k | ricotz: 4.3.2~rc2 seems to be good to go for the PPA. | 08:45 |
| === Sweetsha1k is now known as Sweetshark | ||
| seb128 | but maybe we need 1M users to have enough datas for an useful e.u.c view | 08:45 |
| seb128 | and we only have 100k | 08:45 |
| seb128 | dunno | 08:45 |
| seb128 | (making up numbers" | 08:45 |
| seb128 | Laney, but on the daily view, if you skip the touch stuff, the first desktop issue is an apport one with 11 reports | 08:47 |
| seb128 | that could be one user having a problem and trying to report it 10 times | 08:47 |
| ricotz | Sweetshark, no | 08:47 |
| Laney | 'week' is more useful than 'day' | 08:48 |
| ricotz | Sweetshark, hi, i cc'ed you to a bug | 08:48 |
| seb128 | Laney, same issue, there one apport high, then the second seems to be an apport with 36 reports in a week, that means 5 a day, for what we know that could be pitti while hacking on it all day :p | 08:48 |
| pitti | hey seb128 | 08:48 |
| ricotz | Sweetshark, this is a good example to hold of the copying to the dedicated versioned ppa a bit | 08:49 |
| pitti | seb128: so, hibernate is indeed still supposed to be disabled in polkit-desktop-privs | 08:49 |
| pitti | seb128: you are sure you didn't enable it locally to test something? | 08:49 |
| seb128 | pitti, hey ;-) | 08:49 |
| seb128 | pitti, it's disabled ... do you have the hibernate item in your indicator-session menu? | 08:49 |
| pitti | seb128: no, I don't | 08:49 |
| seb128 | hum | 08:49 |
| seb128 | so maybe I hacked up something and I don't remember :/ | 08:49 |
| seb128 | pitti, the pkla from polkit-desktop-privs is correct | 08:50 |
| seb128 | pitti, what would an override for that be copied to? | 08:50 |
| pitti | $ gdbus call --system -d org.freedesktop.login1 -o /org/freedesktop/login1 -m org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanSuspend | 08:50 |
| pitti | ('yes',) | 08:50 |
| pitti | $ gdbus call --system -d org.freedesktop.login1 -o /org/freedesktop/login1 -m org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanHibernate | 08:50 |
| pitti | ('na',) | 08:50 |
| pitti | seb128: can you try that? | 08:50 |
| seb128 | 'yes' for both | 08:51 |
| pitti | seb128: could go into /var, or perhaps also /etc/polkit-1/ | 08:51 |
| pitti | seb128: (warning, you can't read that dir as user) | 08:51 |
| pitti | $ sudo find /etc/polkit-1/ -type f | 08:51 |
| pitti | should find 51-ubuntu-admin.conf, 50-localauthority.conf, 50-nullbackend.conf | 08:52 |
| seb128 | /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/com.ubuntu.desktop.pkla is the only one referring to hibernate | 08:52 |
| seb128 | and it has "no" | 08:52 |
| seb128 | /etc only has those 3 files | 08:53 |
| pitti | hm, that's odd then | 08:53 |
| seb128 | is there a way to ask polkit what file it loads/in what order? | 08:53 |
| pitti | seb128: we can try with pkcheck | 08:55 |
| pitti | need to change train, bbl | 08:55 |
| seb128 | pitti, k | 08:55 |
| seb128 | pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8424103/ | 08:56 |
| Laney | hmm, 'yes' for me too | 08:56 |
| Laney | how did you get that output? | 08:56 |
| * Laney just knows pkcheck --action-id | 08:56 | |
| seb128 | pkaction --action-id org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate --verbose | 08:56 |
| Laney | nice | 08:57 |
| seb128 | Laney, do you have an hibernate in your session indicator? | 08:57 |
| Laney | no | 08:57 |
| seb128 | :-( | 08:57 |
| Laney | logind still says 'na' | 08:57 |
| Laney | for some reason | 08:57 |
| * ogra_ is sure that means "yes" in *some* language :) | 08:57 | |
| ypwong | seb128 or anyone, does 14.04 or 14.10 adapts to HiDPI screens automatically by scaling things up? | 08:58 |
| seb128 | ypwong, 14.04 | 08:58 |
| seb128 | well, >= 14.04 | 08:58 |
| seb128 | not sure if it's automatic | 08:59 |
| seb128 | we have a slider in the settings | 08:59 |
| ypwong | seb128, yes, wanna know if it's automatic | 08:59 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, ^ | 08:59 |
| ypwong | are there any enhancements of hidpi support in 14.10? | 09:00 |
| seb128 | some bugfixes but those are being SRUed as well | 09:00 |
| ypwong | got it | 09:01 |
| seb128 | ypwong, I think unity tries to be clever with hidpi and apply settings automatically on start but I'm unsure, Trevinho should be able to help when he's around | 09:05 |
| Laney | I think pkaction is bogus | 09:05 |
| Laney | it's telling me 'yes' for hibernate even though I made it not authorised any more | 09:05 |
| ypwong | seb128, ok, will check with him when he's around | 09:06 |
| seb128 | Laney, what would be the right check? | 09:08 |
| Laney | pkcheck --action-id foo --process $$ && echo authorised | 09:09 |
| pitti | seb128: pkaction is just querying the .policy files (not the overrides), you want pkcheck | 09:09 |
| Laney | yeah, just shows you the default | 09:10 |
| Laney | the docs don't explain this very well | 09:10 |
| pitti | seb128: indeed, the pk priv is true for me, too | 09:10 |
| pitti | seb128: I suppose hibernate is n/a for me as I don't have swap | 09:11 |
| pitti | seb128: is there a bug # for this? | 09:11 |
| Laney | ah, me neither | 09:11 |
| Laney | anyway I fixed pk-d-p | 09:11 |
| pitti | seb128: maybe the recent sponsored upload broke some syntax | 09:11 |
| seb128 | $ pkcheck --action-id org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate --process $$; echo "right" | 09:11 |
| seb128 | right | 09:11 |
| Laney | there's a bunch of other actions which imply hibernate | 09:11 |
| Laney | one second | 09:11 |
| pitti | hm, the override file looks alright | 09:12 |
| seb128 | yeah | 09:12 |
| seb128 | it didn't change | 09:12 |
| Laney | did logind change? | 09:12 |
| pitti | not recently, we've had 208 for months | 09:13 |
| pitti | but then again, not sure how long this regression has existed | 09:13 |
| seb128 | that's buggy since I'm on utopic | 09:13 |
| Laney | if that added these new actions then it's this | 09:13 |
| pitti | for that matter, we sohuld at least disable org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-multiple-sessions | 09:13 |
| seb128 | pitti, ^ | 09:13 |
| Laney | exactly that | 09:13 |
| seb128 | I noticed it much earlier in the cycle | 09:13 |
| Laney | in the policy file you can see these 'imply' .hibernate | 09:13 |
| Laney | so it's not enough to disable this one action | 09:13 |
| seb128 | but there was too much going on, I never took the time to try to debug it | 09:13 |
| pitti | aah! | 09:14 |
| pitti | <action id="org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-multiple-sessions"> | 09:14 |
| pitti | <annotate key="org.freedesktop.policykit.imply">org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate</annotate> | 09:14 |
| Laney | http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/policykit-desktop-privileges_0.19_all.deb | 09:15 |
| Laney | try that | 09:15 |
| seb128 | Laney, that fixes it | 09:15 |
| pitti | Laney: ah, you're on it? I just built a fixed source package | 09:16 |
| pitti | policykit-desktop-privileges_0.19.dsc | 09:16 |
| seb128 | Laney, pitti, how come you guys didn't have that entry? because you have no swap? | 09:16 |
| pitti | erk, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8424201/ | 09:16 |
| pitti | seb128: right | 09:16 |
| pitti | I have 16 GB of RAM, what do I need swap for :) | 09:16 |
| seb128 | pitti, you changed name? ;-) | 09:17 |
| pitti | erk, used dch -m :) | 09:17 |
| seb128 | lol | 09:17 |
| Laney | pitti: 25/09 10:11:23 <Laney> anyway I fixed pk-d-p | 09:17 |
| Laney | :-) | 09:17 |
| pitti | Laney: cheers, i'll discard mine then | 09:17 |
| Laney | yeah. 32 GB -> no swap | 09:18 |
| Laney | my laptop has this bug though, guess I never noticed there | 09:18 |
| seb128 | 4G i386 here | 09:18 |
| seb128 | swap :p | 09:18 |
| seb128 | it's time for a refresh | 09:18 |
| pitti | bbl | 09:18 |
| Laney | seems like it | 09:20 |
| Laney | still 8 months on this old beast for me | 09:21 |
| Laney | it'll be 5 years old then, which is like 125 in laptop years | 09:21 |
| seb128 | yeah, mine is over 4 years now | 09:21 |
| seb128 | I had the refresh in june 2013 | 09:21 |
| Laney | never used it? | 09:22 |
| seb128 | but I want an xps 13 and I keep being delayed | 09:22 |
| seb128 | first I wanted to haswell refreshed hwd | 09:22 |
| seb128 | then desrt got it and told me about the noise issues | 09:22 |
| seb128 | since I'm waiting for the new motherboard which resolves those | 09:23 |
| seb128 | they apparently start rolling those out a few weeks ago | 09:23 |
| seb128 | hopefully it should be good now ;-) | 09:23 |
| seb128 | http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3518/p/19538215/20674604#20674604 | 09:24 |
| Laney | nice, time to order | 09:25 |
| seb128 | indeed | 09:27 |
| Laney | is there a bug # for this hibernate issue btw? | 09:28 |
| ochosi | seb128: i was considering that laptop too but i'd rather wait for others' reports on new issues before ordering - after all, it's not exactly cheap | 09:28 |
| Laney | seb's got money to burn | 09:29 |
| seb128 | lol | 09:29 |
| ochosi | :] | 09:29 |
| Laney | his mattress is stuffed with 500 euro notes | 09:29 |
| Laney | FACT | 09:29 |
| seb128 | Laney, I bet you 1k€ it's not true | 09:30 |
| seb128 | :p | 09:30 |
| * Laney runs | 09:31 | |
| ochosi | searching the european dell site for "ubuntu" turns up a laptop featuring "linux ubuntu 11.11" | 09:31 |
| seb128 | urg, don't ctrl-r IRC | 09:32 |
| seb128 | Laney, I missed you reply I bet :p | 09:32 |
| willcooke | morning from Lond | 09:33 |
| willcooke | on | 09:33 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke | 09:33 |
| Laney | not Swed | 09:33 |
| Laney | en? | 09:33 |
| seb128 | right, what happened there? | 09:34 |
| willcooke | They found a volunteer from PES to go instead. Flights for me meant that I wouldnt get there until lunch time, so there wasn't much point | 09:34 |
| willcooke | so I'm here instead | 09:34 |
| Laney | nothing more uplifting to the soul than a trip to London anyway | 09:35 |
| Laney | seb128: do you know of a bug for the hibernate issue? | 09:35 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: if you're at blue fin find cyphermox and invite him out for a beer, he'll appreciate that :) | 09:36 |
| seb128 | Laney, no, but I can open one if you want | 09:36 |
| Laney | nah | 09:36 |
| willcooke | davmor2, I'll see what I can do :) | 09:36 |
| cyphermox | ah, we haven't even met before | 09:37 |
| Laney | someone stand up and wave | 09:37 |
| davmor2 | cyphermox: then it's a perfect excuse for a beer :) | 09:37 |
| willcooke | We might have in passing cyphermox | 09:37 |
| cyphermox | indeed | 09:37 |
| cyphermox | beer good | 09:38 |
| cyphermox | though maybe it's a little early for that today ;) | 09:38 |
| didrocks | is it me or the whole ci infra is slow? | 09:38 |
| willcooke | :D | 09:38 |
| didrocks | davmor2: did you notice/experience that? ^ | 09:38 |
| didrocks | like, even sshing to a machine and typing is slow like death | 09:39 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: meet cyphermox he works on network manager, cyphermox meet willcooke he is a user of network manager, there now you have some common ground and willcooke knows to blame you for all of his network manager woes :P | 09:39 |
| didrocks | hey willcooke | 09:39 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, when I got my new ThinkPad I considered waiting for haswell too, but in the end I thought that the previous one (Ivy Bridge?) was good enough :) | 09:39 |
| cyphermox | davmor2: another interesting fact is that he almost had to manage me ;) | 09:39 |
| pitti | seb128: still impressive how much better they get; 4 -> 16 GB RAM, faster, bigger/faster SSD, and still it eats even less power than my x201 | 09:40 |
| seb128 | pitti, well, I was decided like a month before the new model was coming out | 09:40 |
| davmor2 | cyphermox: man that was a lucky escape for willcooke ;) | 09:40 |
| cyphermox | yeah | 09:40 |
| seb128 | pitti, and it's always nice to be able to have some extra hours on battery ;-) | 09:40 |
| Laney | I get like 2.5 hours | 09:41 |
| pitti | seb128: yeah, the next flight to DC will come for sure :) | 09:41 |
| pitti | Laney: urgh | 09:41 |
| Laney | it's going to be weird having good battery life | 09:41 |
| * pitti pats 10 hours | 09:41 | |
| Laney | woah | 09:41 |
| seb128 | and that's without haswell | 09:41 |
| seb128 | it would be like 13 otherwise ;-) | 09:41 |
| pitti | i. e. 8 to 9 W drain and a 100 Wh battery | 09:41 |
| pitti | seb128: I can get it to 13 without wifi/USB tethering, i. e. on the plane | 09:42 |
| pitti | but the effing mobile phone draws quite a lot -- I wish there was a "don't charge over USB" button | 09:42 |
| pitti | anyway, "first world problems" :) | 09:43 |
| seb128 | hehe | 09:43 |
| cyphermox | pitti: 13 hours laptop battery on a plane in flight mode? | 10:04 |
| cyphermox | that's pretty impressive | 10:04 |
| cyphermox | my laptop lasts only about 2 hours | 10:04 |
| cyphermox | but it might also be caused by playing Kerbal Space Program ;) | 10:04 |
| davmor2 | pitti: you could always not plug the effing phone into the usb :P | 10:06 |
| pitti | davmor2: -ENOINTERNET then :) (I'm tethering) | 10:07 |
| * didrocks grumbles on docker automatically created images regressing again and go back to a local created image | 10:07 | |
| davmor2 | pitti: ah sorry mis-read it as without wifi or usb tethering, ie on the plane | 10:08 |
| Sweetshark | hmmm, my firefox lost all the stored passwords yesterday .... | 10:12 |
| didrocks | first medium tests passing in the CI infra \o/ | 10:33 |
| didrocks | phew, now, let's put in real test runs | 10:34 |
| === thumper-afk is now known as thumper | ||
| dgadomski | hello desktop team | 11:29 |
| dgadomski | some of the users are affected by Bug 445333 on precise & trusty | 11:30 |
| ubot5 | bug 445333 in Ubuntu "remember password on printing to windows printers does not work" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/445333 | 11:30 |
| dgadomski | I have analysed the possibility to backport it and it's fairly easy for trusty | 11:31 |
| dgadomski | could one of the sponsors could take a look and mark it as affecting precise & trusty? | 11:31 |
| seb128 | jdstrand, hey, how do I turn off apparmor for click apps on touch? | 11:34 |
| seb128 | dgadomski, hey, you should be able to propose a nomination for a serie no? | 11:35 |
| seb128 | it's one of the link under the bugtable at the top | 11:35 |
| dgadomski | seb128: I have "Also affects project" and "Also affects distribution/package" there, didn't see series there | 11:38 |
| seb128 | dgadomski, hum, maybe it's restricted to some teams | 11:38 |
| dgadomski | seb128: could you give me a hint under which of them I should look? | 11:38 |
| seb128 | you don't have it I guess | 11:38 |
| seb128 | targetted utopic now | 11:38 |
| seb128 | I doubt we are going to backport to precise | 11:39 |
| dgadomski | and it also affects gtk+2.0 (the user experiences this in firefox) | 11:40 |
| dgadomski | I have prepared debdiffs for trusty (for gtk3 and gtk2) | 11:40 |
| seb128 | great, thanks | 11:41 |
| seb128 | I've added gtk2 to the list | 11:41 |
| dgadomski | ok, I will upload them and appreciate having a look at them | 11:41 |
| seb128 | thanks | 11:41 |
| seb128 | is the issue fixed in 3.12? | 11:41 |
| seb128 | if not we need to get the fixes in utopic first | 11:41 |
| dgadomski | let me check that | 11:42 |
| dgadomski | unfortunately not, it's since 3.13.8 | 11:43 |
| seb128 | k | 11:43 |
| seb128 | so we need that in utopic first | 11:43 |
| dgadomski | ok, I will make a debdiff for utopic first | 11:43 |
| seb128 | thanks | 11:44 |
| dgadomski | seb128: thank you :) | 11:44 |
| dgadomski | btw. there is also another issue: bug 1104230 | 11:45 |
| ubot5 | bug 1104230 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "DisplayPort 1.2 MST support is missing in the Intel driver" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1104230 | 11:45 |
| dgadomski | the fix for it can be easily cherry-picked for utopic | 11:45 |
| dgadomski | are you aware if the utopic kernel is available for trusty in any package? | 11:45 |
| dgadomski | I was told that there are those -lts- packages that may provide it | 11:46 |
| seb128 | dgadomski, can you mention it to mlankhorst on #ubuntu-devel? | 11:46 |
| dgadomski | seb128: sure, thanks! | 11:46 |
| seb128 | thanks | 11:46 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| Laney | mvo: does update-manager have support for pulling people out of old-releases? | 12:06 |
| mvo | Laney: it should do that, yes | 12:06 |
| mvo | Laney: like if you want to go from "unsupported1 -> unsupported2 -> barely-supported" ? | 12:07 |
| mvo | Laney: that should work | 12:07 |
| Laney | I was just dealing with a friend in this situation | 12:07 |
| mvo | Laney: did it not work? | 12:07 |
| Laney | he was on quantal(!) but his sources.list was I guess still on a.u.c | 12:07 |
| mvo | hmm, I maybe misremembering but I thought it would rewrite to something sensible on do-release-upgrade | 12:08 |
| Laney | he said 'something' went wrong but I was helping remotely so not sure what happened exactly | 12:08 |
| mvo | Laney: what commend did you run? do-release-upgrade/update-manager -d? | 12:08 |
| Laney | I just got him to put old-releases in sources.list and will take a look myself tomorrow | 12:09 |
| mvo | ok | 12:09 |
| Laney | the interesting thing here might be that release+1 is also on old-releases | 12:09 |
| Laney | just wondering if this scenario is supported at all | 12:09 |
| mvo | Laney: yeah, I think that works, but it will be a bit of a pain as it takes a long time | 12:09 |
| mvo | Laney: to upgrade and then to upgrade agian | 12:09 |
| mvo | again | 12:09 |
| Laney | to do it properly is q->r->s->t | 12:10 |
| mvo | Laney: might be quicker to install trusty with the keep-home-intact option of the installer | 12:10 |
| Laney | yep | 12:10 |
| Laney | just concerned that he got left in a tricky situation | 12:10 |
| Laney | lucky that he knows someone who can drive apt ... | 12:11 |
| mvo | did update-manager not show him that he should upgrade? was that the issue? | 12:11 |
| mvo | (its always painful for me to hear these stories where a super-hero needs to come in to save the day :/ | 12:11 |
| Laney | I will see what u-m is telling him tomorrow | 12:12 |
| mvo | thanks | 12:12 |
| darkxst | seb128, was just renamed for 3,11, but gah maybe I pushed the wrong branch | 12:31 |
| darkxst | 3.10 even | 12:31 |
| seb128 | darkxst, well the changelog has 3.10 | 12:32 |
| seb128 | darkxst, did you see my comment about the gtk dialog and wether they are required for fallback sessions? | 12:32 |
| darkxst | seb128, look through emails now | 12:33 |
| darkxst | seb128, I don't know if it breaks fallback | 12:35 |
| darkxst | update was actually blocked on api changes that cause crashes | 12:36 |
| seb128 | right, well I looked at the git log | 12:36 |
| seb128 | and it drops the gtk dialogs | 12:36 |
| seb128 | which I'm pretty sure Laney needs | 12:36 |
| seb128 | (to mention somebody using a gnome-panel type of session) | 12:37 |
| darkxst | seb128, gnome-session can stay at 3.9.x whatever, its no big deal | 12:38 |
| seb128 | darkxst, I've no strong opinion, just pointing out what I see as an issue | 12:38 |
| seb128 | we can also update and revert the gtk dialog dropping in a patch | 12:38 |
| darkxst | seb128, does unity use those? | 12:39 |
| seb128 | darkxst, btw empathy looks good, does Jackson or you want to merge propose the change so we can turn the bug into a ffe request? | 12:39 |
| seb128 | darkxst, no, unity has its own dialogs | 12:39 |
| darkxst | seb128, so why revert? session-properties or whatever its called was just renamed for 3;12 | 12:41 |
| darkxst | dropped in 3.14 | 12:41 |
| seb128 | darkxst, revert what? | 12:42 |
| seb128 | there are 2 things there | 12:42 |
| seb128 | 1 is the gtk logout dialogs | 12:42 |
| seb128 | the other one is the capplet to manage autostarts | 12:42 |
| seb128 | the dialogs are needed, otherwise people using gnome-panel sessions can't logout anymore I think | 12:42 |
| seb128 | which is what I suggest reverting | 12:42 |
| seb128 | what = the dropping of the dialog | 12:43 |
| seb128 | unity and gnome-shell have their own dialogs | 12:43 |
| seb128 | but gnome-panel doesn't | 12:43 |
| seb128 | 12:43 | |
| Laney | in debian/panel I don't have logout or shutdown dialogs any more | 12:43 |
| seb128 | the capplet issue is orthogonal | 12:43 |
| seb128 | Laney, with the ppa for gnome-desktop right? | 12:43 |
| Laney | no, unstable | 12:43 |
| seb128 | oh | 12:43 |
| seb128 | well, same issue likely | 12:43 |
| Laney | same thing | 12:43 |
| seb128 | gnome-session 3.10 dropped them | 12:44 |
| Laney | just saying | 12:44 |
| seb128 | well | 12:44 |
| seb128 | do you consider that acceptable? | 12:44 |
| Laney | it's not great | 12:45 |
| darkxst | seb128, ok, happy to leave gnome-session whereever its at | 12:45 |
| Laney | how hard is it to keep them? | 12:45 |
| Laney | are panel upstream going to fix that? | 12:45 |
| Laney | mitya57: do you know? | 12:45 |
| darkxst | Laney, last I heard alberts was fighting with upstream trying to get maintainership | 12:46 |
| seb128 | Laney, I think it's basically reverting https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-session/commit/?id=705699b2799a3434d1a8f35c9a92868a5057f73e | 12:46 |
| seb128 | Laney, which should be fine at least for this cycle | 12:46 |
| Laney | try that | 12:46 |
| darkxst | but as far as a the gnome-desktop transition, gnome-session can stay as is, just a rebuild | 12:47 |
| seb128 | cool | 12:47 |
| Laney | doesn't it use idle monitor? | 12:48 |
| darkxst | Laney, no | 12:48 |
| Laney | k I believe you | 12:49 |
| * Laney goes to lunch | 12:49 | |
| darkxst | gnome-session runs way before idle-monitor is relevant | 12:49 |
| * darkxst goes to sleep] | 12:49 | |
| Laney | unstable is mostly fixed for gi now | 12:49 |
| seb128 | hum | 12:50 |
| seb128 | Laney, darkxst, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-desktop/commit/?id=545c774e967fa2f21f9b8ee1acbb50bffcee01d0 | 12:50 |
| seb128 | is GnomeIdleMonitor *monitor; from gnome-desktop? | 12:50 |
| seb128 | ups | 12:51 |
| seb128 | ignore that | 12:51 |
| darkxst | seb128, yes | 12:51 |
| seb128 | I got confused by https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707533 | 12:51 |
| darkxst | but that is in roberts code that moved to u-* | 12:51 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 707533 in gnome-session "gnome-session 3.9.91 segfaults with" [Critical,Resolved: fixed] | 12:51 |
| jdstrand | seb128: you cannot "turn off apparmor" for click apps on touch for all apps (they'll fail to launch). what is it that you are trying to do and I can tell you how to disable it for a specific app | 12:52 |
| darkxst | I never worked out why that crashes, but it only apples to gnome-desktop 3.8 with gnome-session 3.9.91 | 12:52 |
| jdstrand | s/disable/do something equivalent/ | 12:52 |
| seb128 | jdstrand, hey, in fact I don't need it anymore, we have a bug about importing pictures leading to blank image and I was trying to debug it | 12:53 |
| seb128 | jdstrand, gallery-app triggers chmod denies in apparmor log and I was wondering if it's the issue, but it's not | 12:53 |
| * darkxst really sleeps now, bye all! | 12:53 | |
| seb128 | that might still be worth looking at though | 12:53 |
| seb128 | darkxst, night | 12:53 |
| jdstrand | seb128: no, that is bug 1359831. it is a legitimate denial. it is harmless | 12:54 |
| ubot5 | bug 1359831 in camera-app "Apps incorrectly perform a chmod on XDG_RUNTIME_DIR" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1359831 | 12:54 |
| jdstrand | seb128: (in terms of app functionality) | 12:54 |
| jdstrand | seb128: though I really wish someone would fix it cause it causes confusion | 12:54 |
| seb128 | jdstrand, great, thanks | 12:54 |
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| Sweetshark | huhum | 13:20 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: Could you please tell me "Nobody cares about LibreOffice Base anyway?" -- it would be convenient for a decision to make ... | 13:21 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, you know that's not true though ;-) | 13:21 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: yeah, but I got a build that is using mergedlibs again (thus being fast in startup again and quite a bit of a smaller package) and it passes unittests, but it seems to cause bug 1373928, which admittedly is kind of a bummer for base. | 13:24 |
| ubot5 | bug 1373928 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Numeric values are "not" shown and displayed as "0"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1373928 | 13:24 |
| seb128 | :-/ | 13:24 |
| Sweetshark | O<- rock | 13:25 |
| Sweetshark | hard place -> O | 13:25 |
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| willcooke | cyphermox, my afternoon meeting was cancelled so I decided to dash home while it was still off peak. Beer next time? | 15:00 |
| cyphermox | yeah, no worries | 15:00 |
| cyphermox | I'm kind of tired anyway, I didn't sleep so much | 15:00 |
| happyaron | Laney: please cancle the nmu, I've prepared the update already | 15:01 |
| Laney | happyaron: no need, if you upload then the nmu will just bounce | 15:02 |
| happyaron | Laney: was waiting g-i to make sure the behavior are the same across archs. 4.2.8.5-1 was sucessfully built on some archs.. | 15:02 |
| happyaron | ok | 15:02 |
| happyaron | Laney: still prefer to cancle it, or I can do that | 15:02 |
| Laney | happyaron: eh, feel free if you're sure you will upload it. :) | 15:06 |
| Laney | this source package builds a lot of binaries | 15:06 |
| happyaron | I'm definately sure for fcitx... | 15:08 |
| happyaron | :P | 15:08 |
| Laney | I don't want to be responsible for RC bugs | 15:08 |
| Laney | hence nmuing stuff | 15:08 |
| happyaron | understand | 15:08 |
| Laney | happyaron: btw .gir files go in the -dev package conventionally | 15:20 |
| happyaron | ok | 15:22 |
| didrocks | fginther: s-jenkins going to shutting down? | 15:31 |
| fginther | didrocks, yes, there is a lab network outage coming shortly | 15:32 |
| fginther | didrocks, there was an email "Planned Maintenance Advisory (Service Affecting)", please let me know if you did not receive | 15:32 |
| didrocks | fginther: right, but it was supposed to be at noon, without telling which timezone. I took it as being UTC :) | 15:34 |
| didrocks | fginther: but ok, in the end, there is another time, with UTC, so in 25 minutes | 15:34 |
| didrocks | fginther: would be cool to take into account the shutdown of machines into that time though | 15:35 |
| fginther | didrocks, :/ right. that is a little unclear | 15:35 |
| didrocks | fginther: no worry, thanks for confirming :) | 15:35 |
| didrocks | I guess that's why I got some '404' not found in "Can't download (504): Gateway Time-out" | 15:36 |
| fginther | didrocks, I'll pass that along for future notices. the time (and timezone) should be painfully obvious and mentioned first thing | 15:36 |
| didrocks | fginther: indeed, thanks! :) | 15:36 |
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| desrt | Laney: around? | 16:39 |
| desrt | Laney: remember that gnome-do bug where the app wasn't taking the gtk lock before gtk_init() and was therefore silently unlocking a not-yet-locked mutex? | 16:40 |
| desrt | Laney: turns out that dropbox does the same.... | 16:40 |
| desrt | upstream gtk wrote a workaround for the problem -- perhaps we should take it | 16:41 |
| desrt | (ie: as a backport) | 16:41 |
| desrt | see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1374030 | 16:41 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1374030 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "Dropbox crash on Ubuntu MATE Remix" [Undecided,New] | 16:41 |
| desrt | we could also reduce the fatality level of the assert in glib -- make it just a critical for now | 16:41 |
| desrt | i prefer this to the gtk patch which imho is a bit of a hack | 16:42 |
| Laney | mmm... | 16:43 |
| Laney | critical seems a bit nicer | 16:44 |
| Laney | you want to do that upstream? | 16:44 |
| desrt | i'm thinking about it -- discussing it in #gtk+ right now | 16:45 |
| Laney | 'kay | 16:45 |
| desrt | i may do a new glib 2.42 soonish | 16:45 |
| desrt | probably i'm going to disable the property deprecations as well :( | 16:45 |
| desrt | at least on the stable branch | 16:45 |
| desrt | folks are pretty upset | 16:45 |
| Laney | the warnings? | 16:47 |
| desrt | ya... | 16:47 |
| desrt | i kinda agree that it's of somewhat limited usefulness to have it in a stable release | 16:47 |
| desrt | it's almost certainly going to cause more grief to innocent users than it helps by warning actual devs | 16:48 |
| Laney | I see that, I only resisted on the basis that I didn't like this being an Ubuntu only solution really - feels like it should come from upstream | 16:51 |
| Laney | do that in a 2.42 stable and we'll get it through the normal channels | 16:52 |
| desrt | probably will be an upstream stable-only solution | 16:52 |
| desrt | and we can reevaluate each stable release if we should do it again | 16:52 |
| desrt | hopefully we get to a point where we can stop... | 16:52 |
| Laney | I patched some testsuites for this last week ... | 16:52 |
| Laney | should be tending towards being less of a problem | 16:53 |
| Laney | I wonder why dropbox is still working for me | 16:53 |
| Laney | night chap{pesse,}s | 17:04 |
| Laney | hopefully this vps host will have sorted out its io load before long | 17:04 |
| willcooke | l8r Laney | 17:11 |
| willcooke | popey, FYI ^^^^ | 17:11 |
| popey | thanks! | 17:18 |
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| didrocks | see you guys! | 18:23 |
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