| Kilos | morning superfly StonedAlchemist nuvolari Squirm and others | 05:37 |
|---|---|---|
| superfly | morning Kilos | 05:43 |
| Squirm | morning | 06:01 |
| Kilos | hi nlsthzn | 06:28 |
| Kilos | you getting your swimming togs ready? | 06:28 |
| Kilos | hehe | 06:28 |
| nlsthzn | not yet :p | 06:29 |
| nlsthzn | after school ;) | 06:29 |
| * nlsthzn goes for shower bbl :p | 06:29 | |
| ThatGraemeGuy | mornings | 06:47 |
| Kilos | hi ThatGraemeGuy | 06:48 |
| theblazehen | Hi Kilos, all | 06:59 |
| Kilos | hi theblazehen | 06:59 |
| Kilos | ai! sudo apt-get install kde-wallpapers says they are already the latest | 07:45 |
| Kilos | aptitude reinstall fetches another 85 mB os wallpapers | 07:46 |
| Kilos | restart needed wbb | 08:37 |
| nlsthzn | the wonders of linux >.< | 09:00 |
| Kilos | lol i cant find how to configure dolphindolphin | 09:02 |
| Kilos | wanted to do step 7 on http://www.binarytides.com/better-kubuntu-14-04/ | 09:02 |
| Kilos | normally when i follow online guides i break something and end up with a reinstall | 09:05 |
| bushtech | sounds familiar - thought that was standard operating procedure lol | 09:24 |
| Kilos | lol | 09:25 |
| bushtech | probably only for us old ballies | 09:25 |
| Kilos | yeah must be | 09:25 |
| Kilos | the guys always tell me you arent on windows anymore | 09:26 |
| Kilos | hehe | 09:26 |
| bushtech | well, at least you can do something, not cursing at a blue screen | 09:27 |
| Kilos | lol | 09:27 |
| charl | good afternoon | 11:26 |
| charl | Maaz: coffee on | 11:26 |
| * Maaz washes some mugs | 11:26 | |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl! | 11:30 |
| charl | Maaz: thanks | 11:31 |
| Maaz | charl: Okay :-) | 11:31 |
| Kilos | grrrr | 11:41 |
| charl | hi magespawn | 11:43 |
| charl | hi Kilos | 11:43 |
| Kilos | hi charl magespawn | 11:43 |
| bushtech | Kilos having a real good day | 11:44 |
| Kilos | someone decided we need a power out for 40 mins or so | 11:44 |
| Kilos | lol bushtech such is life | 11:44 |
| bushtech | yep | 11:44 |
| Kilos | and the courier company should have had my new drive here on tuesday | 11:45 |
| Kilos | still waiting | 11:46 |
| Kilos | they tell the supplier they cant find the place, but theyve been here twice this year | 11:46 |
| Kilos | so supplier says take it back to them they will deliver personally and were told it would be there by 11am | 11:47 |
| Kilos | they also still waiting | 11:47 |
| Kilos | first freight must be blacklisted by everyone the swines | 11:48 |
| Kilos | many parcels disappear or are "misplaced" | 11:48 |
| Kilos | so someone is running a black market pc spares shop somewhere | 11:49 |
| magespawn | howdy Kilos | 12:16 |
| magespawn | hi charl | 12:16 |
| Symmetria | heh | 12:42 |
| Symmetria | our IT department now officially hates me :( | 12:42 |
| charl | Symmetria: how so? | 12:43 |
| Symmetria | the screwed up certain things pretty badly, and its gonna take hours to fix, but whats broken is costing money | 12:44 |
| Symmetria | so I told em, they fix it tonight, and no one goes home until its fixed | 12:44 |
| Symmetria | and if anyone wants to leave before its fixed, they should consider that the same way I will, as an effective resignation | 12:44 |
| Symmetria | fix it, before you go home, or dont come back | 12:45 |
| charl | lol | 12:45 |
| Symmetria | heh, then one of them decides to phone the kenyan cto and go zomg, andrew is being mean | 12:45 |
| Symmetria | the cto goes, errr dude, this is your ass on the line, I aint putting my ass on the line by trying to countermand that, so I suggest you listen to him and take him seriously | 12:46 |
| theblazehen | Symmetria: eish... | 12:46 |
| Symmetria | they went back to their desks to start drinking coffee and red bull ;p | 12:46 |
| charl | lol | 12:46 |
| charl | well that's not that strange actually | 12:46 |
| charl | in most western countries if things are seriously fubar you would also do that | 12:46 |
| charl | i have had incidents which i didn't even create myself which i had to resolve by staying late | 12:47 |
| Symmetria | seriously, when shit goes wrong and its costing money, and YOU fucked up, dont expect me to play nice and let you go get a good nights sleep | 12:47 |
| charl | that's kind-of expected in most ict companies | 12:47 |
| Symmetria | when shit went wrong at tenet on certain days, I was awake for 50+ hours until it was sorted | 12:47 |
| charl | people lazy and don't take things seriously | 12:47 |
| charl | i was in america a couple of years back with a kenyan | 12:48 |
| charl | his comment on americans was that "these people work too hard" | 12:48 |
| charl | if that's your culture (a culture of laziness) you will never get anywhere | 12:48 |
| Symmetria | lol charl Im slowly bringing people around, my team knows the rules, and they know I reward them for it | 12:48 |
| charl | that said, americans do have a culture of working 12 hour days and then spending 6 of those hours either on reddit or around the coffee machine | 12:49 |
| Symmetria | the rest of the company is starting to discover that when I speak, its in your own best interests to listen | 12:49 |
| Symmetria | for a while they believed that because I was not technically kenyan management and worked for group they could get around me | 12:49 |
| Symmetria | they have discovered otherwise ;p | 12:49 |
| charl | i always have the principle that when shit hits i work extra hard | 12:50 |
| charl | because then other times i can take it easy and people stay off my ass | 12:50 |
| charl | if you miss deadlines then you get put under a magnifying glass | 12:50 |
| charl | and then every time there's issues | 12:50 |
| charl | rather put in the extra hours when it matters and take it easy the rest of the time | 12:51 |
| charl | that said, if you keep working too hard, people come to expect it and keep hitting you with unrealistic deadlines | 12:51 |
| charl | so you need to be careful also to put your foot down | 12:51 |
| charl | but that's speaking from a developers's standpooint | 12:51 |
| charl | if you're in operations of course you think differently | 12:51 |
| charl | if you do your job well and make sure shit keeps working you can sit back and relax :P | 12:51 |
| Symmetria | heh well, thats true, because as I've always said to my team | 12:53 |
| Symmetria | do well, and if shit hits the fan, I'll take the flac | 12:53 |
| Symmetria | fuck up and dont inform me what you're doing, and you get no protection from me | 12:54 |
| Symmetria | its your choice | 12:54 |
| Symmetria | so they have it pretty easy if they perform | 12:54 |
| charl | yeah | 12:54 |
| charl | that's true | 12:55 |
| Symmetria | heh at the level I'm at though, the pressure never really stops | 12:58 |
| Symmetria | the thing is, if someone junior or even mid level fucks up, the impact can cost a bit of money, but it wont be catastrophic | 12:58 |
| Symmetria | by the time you get to the executive level, fuckups start getting *REALLY* expensive | 12:58 |
| charl | yup | 13:00 |
| charl | that's also true | 13:00 |
| magespawn_ | later all | 13:08 |
| miles | ooo yay my drive arrived | 13:49 |
| miles | personal delivery from omega | 13:49 |
| miles | they say they wont use couriers to me in the future | 13:49 |
| charl | nice | 13:52 |
| charl | how large is it ? | 13:52 |
| miles | 1TB | 13:53 |
| miles | others are outa budget | 13:54 |
| Squirm | nice | 13:56 |
| charl | ah | 13:56 |
| charl | iomega - is that a nas or just a drive ? | 13:56 |
| Squirm | charl: omega is a company | 13:57 |
| miles | ya im happy now i can do a data recovery on my crashed 500g | 13:57 |
| charl | in NL there was a big iomega scandal a number of years ago relating to personal nas devices from iomega that wasn't secured properly | 13:57 |
| Squirm | a supplier | 13:57 |
| miles | omega trading i think they are called | 13:57 |
| charl | Squirm: i know that i'm not an idiot :P | 13:57 |
| Squirm | like Sahara/Rectron/Esquire | 13:57 |
| charl | oh wait, sorry, my fault | 13:58 |
| Squirm | :P | 13:58 |
| charl | omega, not iomega :P | 13:58 |
| miles | omega not iomega | 13:58 |
| miles | ya same but cheaper | 13:58 |
| Squirm | <charl> Squirm: i know that i'm not an idiot :P | 13:58 |
| * Squirm looks at charl | 13:58 | |
| Squirm | ;) | 13:58 |
| miles | and no need to have an account | 13:58 |
| charl | Squirm: you said < Squirm> charl: omega is a company | 13:58 |
| charl | iomega is also a company | 13:58 |
| Squirm | I know | 13:58 |
| miles | sjoe | 13:58 |
| Squirm | I just hit enter before I finished my sentence :P | 13:58 |
| charl | oh :P | 13:58 |
| miles | haha | 13:58 |
| charl | it's ridiculous to create a company that has a name that resembles another big ict company that closely | 13:59 |
| charl | it is bound to create confusion | 13:59 |
| miles | man they are my suppliers and dont give me hassles so dont fight them | 14:00 |
| miles | they dont mind helping the little guy | 14:00 |
| charl | that's nice | 14:01 |
| miles | and i can chat to the rep on skype im | 14:02 |
| charl | skype :( | 14:02 |
| Squirm | somewhere like Esquire, you have to sing up, but it's free and the cater for anyone who has, COD. They have a shop in... | 14:03 |
| miles | they are windows peeps so i give them some rope | 14:03 |
| Squirm | umm | 14:03 |
| Squirm | Centurion? ish | 14:03 |
| charl | moved away from skype since microsoft bought them and the patent on eavesdropping on distributed networks went public | 14:03 |
| charl | long before the nsa scandals surfaced even | 14:03 |
| charl | well, not long, about 6 months before | 14:03 |
| miles | oh my | 14:03 |
| miles | they cant get much from me anyway | 14:04 |
| charl | that's why when everybody acted shocked about the nsa scandals i was like "we all know it" | 14:04 |
| charl | we just didn't know to which extent it went | 14:04 |
| charl | i'm not worried about the eavesdropping but i'm worried they might have a backdoor into accessing the rest of your system | 14:04 |
| charl | on windows 8 they have a backdoor open in any case but not on linux | 14:04 |
| miles | they cant do much here. | 14:04 |
| charl | so if skype for linux for example would include a backdoor into your filesystem and other system resources | 14:05 |
| charl | i had to install it for my mom because she knows people who only use skype | 14:05 |
| miles | ok ill tell her to get to irc or pidgin ims | 14:05 |
| charl | so i installed virtualbox and installed skype inside a separate copy of ubuntu | 14:05 |
| charl | just to sandbox it from the rest of the system | 14:05 |
| miles | thats an idea charl | 14:06 |
| charl | miles: xmpp is still the most widely accepted instant messaging protocol around | 14:06 |
| miles | gtalk | 14:06 |
| charl | gtalk also used to use it | 14:06 |
| charl | google has been talking about integrating gtalk into their hangouts feature | 14:06 |
| charl | not sure if they did or didn't do it though | 14:06 |
| miles | i have xmpp in pidgin for ian | 14:07 |
| charl | but i run prosody on my vps and i run pidgin with otr on my desktop | 14:07 |
| charl | ah yes, i remember now | 14:07 |
| charl | you use it with your daughter too right ? | 14:08 |
| miles | yes and mxit | 14:08 |
| charl | what really bugs me is that whatsapp also makes use of xmpp underwater but they refuse to federate with anyone | 14:08 |
| miles | xmpp when we share rugby matches and she has to use her tablet | 14:08 |
| charl | mxit used to have an xmpp gateway also but they closed it down i think a long time ago :( | 14:08 |
| charl | my mom uses an application called xabber on her android phone | 14:09 |
| charl | http://www.xabber.org/ | 14:09 |
| charl | works really well and also has otr support i think | 14:09 |
| charl | chatsecure is also a good alternative https://chatsecure.org/ | 14:09 |
| charl | is anyone still actually using mxit? | 14:09 |
| miles | dont make more headaches, pidgin is good for me | 14:10 |
| miles | very few. my boet and tara still mxit me | 14:10 |
| miles | ian has got whatsapp and xmpp | 14:11 |
| charl | yeah i thought mxit got completely killed | 14:11 |
| charl | i went to one of their developer events in stellenbosch a number of years ago | 14:11 |
| miles | no they gone into sending adverts with every login | 14:11 |
| charl | they spent a *lot* of money on that event, fancy venue, fancy food | 14:11 |
| charl | but they were extremely closed, they didn't want anyone to post anything about the event online and nobody got access to their api without doing a "special deal" with them | 14:12 |
| miles | they have servers all over the world and mxit starts up before anything else | 14:12 |
| charl | and everything was microsoft .net and you couldn't even access the api from any non-dotnet platform | 14:12 |
| miles | but it is heavy on cell batteries to leave open | 14:13 |
| charl | completely brain dead, they seem to function inside their own island and ignore what the rest of the world is up to | 14:13 |
| charl | but they couldn't make their own software scale either, they don't understand engineering, a bunch of microsoft folks | 14:13 |
| charl | they only know pointing and clicking | 14:13 |
| miles | lol like me | 14:14 |
| charl | difference is, you realise that :P | 14:15 |
| charl | so you're already one step above them | 14:15 |
| miles | haha | 14:15 |
| miles | and i can use sudo and apt-get and aptitud | 14:16 |
| miles | aptitude | 14:16 |
| miles | hmm... sticky e and r here | 14:16 |
| charl | no then you're way more advanced that what they are :P | 14:17 |
| miles | oh and rsync | 14:17 |
| miles | ThatGraemeGuy you very quiet | 14:20 |
| miles | hmm... some of us work | 14:21 |
| inetpro | good evening... I mean morning... uh, what time is it? | 14:29 |
| charl | hi inetpro | 14:29 |
| charl | long time no speak to, how have you been | 14:29 |
| inetpro | hi charl | 14:30 |
| miles | ohi inetpro | 14:30 |
| inetpro | always busy here | 14:30 |
| charl | ah | 14:30 |
| charl | very good | 14:30 |
| inetpro | just realised I haven't been here for a while | 14:31 |
| inetpro | :-) | 14:31 |
| miles | naughty | 14:31 |
| miles | missed two meetings too | 14:31 |
| inetpro | meetings? really? | 14:32 |
| inetpro | ai! | 14:32 |
| miles | time to update topic bar for next meet | 14:32 |
| charl | i missed it too inetpro don't feel bad | 14:32 |
| charl | the last one in any case | 14:33 |
| miles | i got get sheeps | 14:33 |
| charl | i was in rotterdam | 14:33 |
| miles | ok guys, you all go home safely, im gonna fit new drive in pc and install something on it | 14:37 |
| miles | maybe unity or kde | 14:37 |
| miles | just need to put archives onna stick first | 14:38 |
| charl | good luck miles ! | 14:38 |
| miles | lol ty, but ive got quite good at installs | 14:38 |
| miles | its keeping things going thats the prob | 14:39 |
| charl | ja | 14:39 |
| charl | i'm off too | 14:39 |
| magespawn | good evening | 17:27 |
| magespawn | anybody know about this http://is.gd/rBtYY3 ? | 17:28 |
| magespawn | Symmetria, ping | 17:28 |
| spinza | don't know much but it's all over. not just mac. linux in general | 17:33 |
| spinza | apt-get update will get you a new bash | 17:33 |
| spinza | ubuntu: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2362-1/ | 17:34 |
| Squirm | magespawn | 17:35 |
| Squirm | it's anything that runs bash | 17:35 |
| Squirm | anything | 17:36 |
| Squirm | even some imbdedded devices | 17:36 |
| magespawn | i see Squirm , ty spinza, hectic | 17:36 |
| Squirm | I read somewhere, that if you run a bash script with certain code, it "triggers" the bug | 17:37 |
| magespawn | they have a line of code in that article to test for the bug | 17:38 |
| magespawn | update in progress | 17:41 |
| superfly | just updated all my machines | 17:46 |
| magespawn | hectic thing to find out | 17:54 |
| magespawn | the solution was quick though | 17:54 |
| magespawn | hey superfly, how is the family? | 18:04 |
| Squirm | magespawn: problem is it also affects things like your router :/ | 18:05 |
| theblazehen | ah, discussing the bash CVE? | 18:10 |
| theblazehen | DHCP attack vector is interesting | 18:10 |
| === magespawn_ is now known as magespawn | ||
| magespawn | hey look, i am a yoyo | 18:22 |
| spinza | How does it affect routers? | 18:24 |
| magespawn | it looks like anything that can run a bash can be exploited, so maybe dd-wrt and open-wrt | 18:33 |
| magespawn | anyway, i am off for now. later all | 18:46 |
| theblazehen | And a malicious dhcp server could run code on any machine using ddclien | 18:49 |
| theblazehen | ddclient* | 18:49 |
| Kilos | ai! what a business | 18:55 |
| Kilos | worst most costly clean install ever | 18:59 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: data? | 19:02 |
| Kilos | everything is bad | 19:03 |
| Kilos | slowest install most error full install download updates twice and still cant use them | 19:03 |
| theblazehen | oh yeah, my mobo is fixed :) | 19:03 |
| Kilos | errors everywhere | 19:03 |
| Kilos | what did you do? | 19:04 |
| theblazehen | bent a pin :( | 19:04 |
| Kilos | eish you must be gentle and concntrate man | 19:04 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: I know you used to ubuntu, but have you tried http://manjaro.org/ ? | 19:05 |
| theblazehen | yeah, i did... | 19:05 |
| Kilos | whats tha? | 19:05 |
| Kilos | eish lemme plug in another keyboard | 19:05 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: another distro, based on arch, but has graphical installer and stuff. I have less problems with arch than ubuntu | 19:06 |
| Kilos | no man there is no data to get another os | 19:06 |
| theblazehen | yeah | 19:06 |
| Kilos | and ubuntu must work | 19:06 |
| Kilos | ive blown about 500 meg today and still not working | 19:07 |
| Kilos | so on old drive again to make a install stick | 19:07 |
| Kilos | what a business | 19:09 |
| Kilos | havent ever battled with an install like this before | 19:09 |
| Kilos | and the local mirrors are sick | 19:10 |
| Kilos | ftp.wa.co.za rocks though | 19:11 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: I find that the download dies a lot with them.. | 19:12 |
| Kilos | im not sure if you gotta do something in bios to make it like the 1TB drive. it sees it but everything is so slow | 19:12 |
| Kilos | bad business with our local mirrors | 19:13 |
| Kilos | downloaded packages and get dpkg errors so wipe them and download again and same or similar errors | 19:13 |
| Kilos | then cant install because dpkg-status is read only | 19:14 |
| Kilos | whew | 19:14 |
| Kilos | i wish i had taken kde in 64bit rather than unity | 19:14 |
| Kilos | so theblazehen have you got everything working again now | 19:15 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: need to do OS install, gonna do tomorrow night | 19:15 |
| Kilos | aha good luck | 19:16 |
| theblazehen | ty. You need it more than me, I think :) So good luck to you too | 19:16 |
| Kilos | i was wished good luck this avy and said ive done too many installs already to need it | 19:16 |
| Kilos | ill try kde on there tonight still if i can stay awake | 19:17 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: what is wrong exactly? | 19:17 |
| Kilos | ubuntu doesnt take an hour to install | 19:17 |
| Kilos | i dont understand it | 19:17 |
| Kilos | lol it seems like the drive is too heavy for the pc | 19:18 |
| theblazehen | ah. | 19:18 |
| * theblazehen is going to bed. | 19:18 | |
| Kilos | like a 10 year old carrying a 15 year old | 19:18 |
| theblazehen | night Kilos, others | 19:18 |
| Kilos | night lad | 19:18 |
| Kilos | sleep tight | 19:18 |
| Kilos | ill go try that drive again | 19:19 |
| Kilos | night all. | 19:19 |
| Kilos | lekker slaap | 19:20 |
| jrgns | evening all | 19:27 |
| inetpro | ai! | 19:37 |
| inetpro | good evening | 19:37 |
| inetpro | looks like all 8ta peeps will have to become morning people now | 19:37 |
| inetpro | this idea of Telkom moving night surfer hours to midnight has bit me badly this month | 19:38 |
| * inetpro somehow knew about the change but forgot to communicate with the rest of the family | 19:39 | |
| jrgns | eish | 19:40 |
| inetpro | jrgns: long time no see, how are you doing? | 19:41 |
| inetpro | at least I still have a prepaid sim with a few MB of data left | 19:42 |
| jrgns | interpro: good thanx, busy as ever. struggling with a flippen third party agent that needs to be installed on a ubuntu machine | 19:45 |
| jrgns | but it's packaged so badly, I had to hunt down half of the deps first | 19:45 |
| jrgns | re the prepaid, always good to have a backup | 19:45 |
| superfly | Maaz: tell magespawn we're good thanks | 20:54 |
| Maaz | superfly: Righto, I'll tell magespawn on freenode | 20:54 |
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