[05:37] <Kilos> morning superfly  StonedAlchemist  nuvolari  Squirm  and others
[05:43] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:01] <Squirm> morning
[06:28] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  
[06:28] <Kilos> you getting your swimming togs ready?
[06:28] <Kilos> hehe
[06:29] <nlsthzn> not yet :p
[06:29] <nlsthzn> after school ;)
[06:29]  * nlsthzn goes for shower bbl :p
[06:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:48] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:59] <theblazehen> Hi Kilos, all
[06:59] <Kilos> hi theblazehen  
[07:45] <Kilos> ai! sudo apt-get install kde-wallpapers says they are already the latest
[07:46] <Kilos> aptitude reinstall fetches another 85 mB os wallpapers
[08:37] <Kilos> restart needed wbb
[09:00] <nlsthzn> the wonders of linux >.<
[09:02] <Kilos> lol i cant find how to configure dolphindolphin
[09:02] <Kilos> wanted to do step 7 on http://www.binarytides.com/better-kubuntu-14-04/
[09:05] <Kilos> normally when i follow online guides i break something and end up with a reinstall
[09:24] <bushtech> sounds familiar - thought that was standard operating procedure lol
[09:25] <Kilos> lol
[09:25] <bushtech> probably only for us old ballies
[09:25] <Kilos> yeah must be
[09:26] <Kilos> the guys always tell me you arent on windows anymore
[09:26] <Kilos> hehe
[09:27] <bushtech> well, at least you can do something, not cursing at a blue screen
[09:27] <Kilos> lol
[11:26] <charl> good afternoon
[11:26] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[11:26]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[11:30] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[11:31] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[11:31] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[11:41] <Kilos> grrrr
[11:43] <charl> hi magespawn 
[11:43] <charl> hi Kilos 
[11:43] <Kilos> hi charl  magespawn  
[11:44] <bushtech> Kilos having a real good day
[11:44] <Kilos> someone decided we need a power out for 40 mins or so
[11:44] <Kilos> lol bushtech  such is life
[11:44] <bushtech> yep
[11:45] <Kilos> and the courier company should have had my new drive here on tuesday
[11:46] <Kilos> still waiting
[11:46] <Kilos> they tell the supplier they cant find the place, but theyve been here twice this year
[11:47] <Kilos> so supplier says take it back to them they will deliver personally and were told it would be there by 11am
[11:47] <Kilos> they also still waiting
[11:48] <Kilos> first freight must be blacklisted by everyone the swines
[11:48] <Kilos> many parcels disappear or are "misplaced"
[11:49] <Kilos> so someone is running a black market pc spares shop somewhere
[12:16] <magespawn> howdy Kilos 
[12:16] <magespawn> hi charl 
[12:42] <Symmetria> heh
[12:42] <Symmetria> our IT department now officially hates me :(
[12:43] <charl> Symmetria: how so?
[12:44] <Symmetria> the screwed up certain things pretty badly, and its gonna take hours to fix, but whats broken is costing money
[12:44] <Symmetria> so I told em, they fix it tonight, and no one goes home until its fixed
[12:44] <Symmetria> and if anyone wants to leave before its fixed, they should consider that the same way I will, as an effective resignation
[12:45] <Symmetria> fix it, before you go home, or dont come back 
[12:45] <charl> lol
[12:45] <Symmetria> heh, then one of them decides to phone the kenyan cto and go zomg, andrew is being mean
[12:46] <Symmetria> the cto goes, errr dude, this is your ass on the line, I aint putting my ass on the line by trying to countermand that, so I suggest you listen to him and take him seriously
[12:46] <theblazehen> Symmetria: eish...
[12:46] <Symmetria> they went back to their desks to start drinking coffee and red bull ;p
[12:46] <charl> lol
[12:46] <charl> well that's not that strange actually
[12:46] <charl> in most western countries if things are seriously fubar you would also do that
[12:47] <charl> i have had incidents which i didn't even create myself which i had to resolve by staying late
[12:47] <Symmetria> seriously, when shit goes wrong and its costing money, and YOU fucked up, dont expect me to play nice and let you go get a good nights sleep
[12:47] <charl> that's kind-of expected in most ict companies
[12:47] <Symmetria> when shit went wrong at tenet on certain days, I was awake for 50+ hours until it was sorted
[12:47] <charl> people lazy and don't take things seriously
[12:48] <charl> i was in america a couple of years back with a kenyan
[12:48] <charl> his comment on americans was that "these people work too hard"
[12:48] <charl> if that's your culture (a culture of laziness) you will never get anywhere
[12:48] <Symmetria> lol charl Im slowly bringing people around, my team knows the rules, and they know I reward them for it
[12:49] <charl> that said, americans do have a culture of working 12 hour days and then spending 6 of those hours either on reddit or around the coffee machine
[12:49] <Symmetria> the rest of the company is starting to discover that when I speak, its in your own best interests to listen
[12:49] <Symmetria> for a while they believed that because I was not technically kenyan management and worked for group they could get around me
[12:49] <Symmetria> they have discovered otherwise ;p
[12:50] <charl> i always have the principle that when shit hits i work extra hard
[12:50] <charl> because then other times i can take it easy and people stay off my ass
[12:50] <charl> if you miss deadlines then you get put under a magnifying glass
[12:50] <charl> and then every time there's issues
[12:51] <charl> rather put in the extra hours when it matters and take it easy the rest of the time
[12:51] <charl> that said, if you keep working too hard, people come to expect it and keep hitting you with unrealistic deadlines
[12:51] <charl> so you need to be careful also to put your foot down
[12:51] <charl> but that's speaking from a developers's standpooint
[12:51] <charl> if you're in operations of course you think differently
[12:51] <charl> if you do your job well and make sure shit keeps working you can sit back and relax :P
[12:53] <Symmetria> heh well, thats true, because as I've always said to my team
[12:53] <Symmetria> do well, and if shit hits the fan, I'll take the flac 
[12:54] <Symmetria> fuck up and dont inform me what you're doing, and you get no protection from me
[12:54] <Symmetria> its your choice
[12:54] <Symmetria> so they have it pretty easy if they perform
[12:54] <charl> yeah
[12:55] <charl> that's true
[12:58] <Symmetria> heh at the level I'm at though, the pressure never really stops
[12:58] <Symmetria> the thing is, if someone junior or even mid level fucks up, the impact can cost a bit of money, but it wont be catastrophic
[12:58] <Symmetria> by the time you get to the executive level, fuckups start getting *REALLY* expensive
[13:00] <charl> yup
[13:00] <charl> that's also true
[13:08] <magespawn_> later all 
[13:49] <miles> ooo yay my drive arrived
[13:49] <miles> personal delivery from omega
[13:49] <miles> they say they wont use couriers to me in the future
[13:52] <charl> nice
[13:52] <charl> how large is it ?
[13:53] <miles> 1TB
[13:54] <miles> others are outa budget
[13:56] <Squirm> nice
[13:56] <charl> ah
[13:56] <charl> iomega - is that a nas or just a drive ?
[13:57] <Squirm> charl: omega is a company
[13:57] <miles> ya im happy now i can do a data recovery on my crashed 500g
[13:57] <charl> in NL there was a big iomega scandal a number of years ago relating to personal nas devices from iomega that wasn't secured properly
[13:57] <Squirm> a supplier
[13:57] <miles> omega trading i think they are called
[13:57] <charl> Squirm: i know that i'm not an idiot :P
[13:57] <Squirm> like Sahara/Rectron/Esquire
[13:58] <charl> oh wait, sorry, my fault
[13:58] <Squirm> :P
[13:58] <charl> omega, not iomega :P
[13:58] <miles> omega not iomega
[13:58] <miles> ya same but cheaper
 Squirm: i know that i'm not an idiot :P
[13:58]  * Squirm looks at charl 
[13:58] <Squirm> ;)
[13:58] <miles> and no need to have an account
[13:58] <charl> Squirm: you said < Squirm> charl: omega is a company
[13:58] <charl> iomega is also a company
[13:58] <Squirm> I know
[13:58] <miles> sjoe
[13:58] <Squirm> I just hit enter before I finished my sentence :P
[13:58] <charl> oh :P
[13:58] <miles> haha
[13:59] <charl> it's ridiculous to create a company that has a name that resembles another big ict company that closely
[13:59] <charl> it is bound to create confusion
[14:00] <miles> man they are my suppliers and dont give me hassles so dont fight them
[14:00] <miles> they dont mind helping the little guy
[14:01] <charl> that's nice
[14:02] <miles> and i can chat to the rep on skype im
[14:02] <charl> skype :(
[14:03] <Squirm> somewhere like Esquire, you have to sing up, but it's free and the cater for anyone who has, COD. They have a shop in...
[14:03] <miles> they are windows peeps so i give them some rope
[14:03] <Squirm> umm
[14:03] <Squirm> Centurion? ish
[14:03] <charl> moved away from skype since microsoft bought them and the patent on eavesdropping on distributed networks went public
[14:03] <charl> long before the nsa scandals surfaced even
[14:03] <charl> well, not long, about 6 months before
[14:03] <miles> oh my
[14:04] <miles> they cant get much from me anyway
[14:04] <charl> that's why when everybody acted shocked about the nsa scandals i was like "we all know it"
[14:04] <charl> we just didn't know to which extent it went
[14:04] <charl> i'm not worried about the eavesdropping but i'm worried they might have a backdoor into accessing the rest of your system
[14:04] <charl> on windows 8 they have a backdoor open in any case but not on linux
[14:04] <miles> they cant do much here. 
[14:05] <charl> so if skype for linux for example would include a backdoor into your filesystem and other system resources
[14:05] <charl> i had to install it for my mom because she knows people who only use skype
[14:05] <miles> ok ill tell her to get to irc or pidgin ims
[14:05] <charl> so i installed virtualbox and installed skype inside a separate copy of ubuntu
[14:05] <charl> just to sandbox it from the rest of the system
[14:06] <miles> thats an idea charl  
[14:06] <charl> miles: xmpp is still the most widely accepted instant messaging protocol around
[14:06] <miles> gtalk
[14:06] <charl> gtalk also used to use it
[14:06] <charl> google has been talking about integrating gtalk into their hangouts feature
[14:06] <charl> not sure if they did or didn't do it though
[14:07] <miles> i have xmpp in pidgin for ian
[14:07] <charl> but i run prosody on my vps and i run pidgin with otr on my desktop
[14:07] <charl> ah yes, i remember now
[14:08] <charl> you use it with your daughter too right ?
[14:08] <miles> yes and mxit
[14:08] <charl> what really bugs me is that whatsapp also makes use of xmpp underwater but they refuse to federate with anyone
[14:08] <miles> xmpp when we share rugby matches and she has to use her tablet
[14:08] <charl> mxit used to have an xmpp gateway also but they closed it down i think a long time ago :(
[14:09] <charl> my mom uses an application called xabber on her android phone
[14:09] <charl> http://www.xabber.org/
[14:09] <charl> works really well and also has otr support i think
[14:09] <charl> chatsecure is also a good alternative https://chatsecure.org/
[14:09] <charl> is anyone still actually using mxit?
[14:10] <miles> dont make more headaches, pidgin is good for me
[14:10] <miles> very few. my boet and tara still mxit me
[14:11] <miles> ian has got whatsapp and xmpp
[14:11] <charl> yeah i thought mxit got completely killed
[14:11] <charl> i went to one of their developer events in stellenbosch a number of years ago
[14:11] <miles> no they gone into sending adverts with every login
[14:11] <charl> they spent a *lot* of money on that event, fancy venue, fancy food
[14:12] <charl> but they were extremely closed, they didn't want anyone to post anything about the event online and nobody got access to their api without doing a "special deal" with them
[14:12] <miles> they have servers all over the world and mxit starts up before anything else
[14:12] <charl> and everything was microsoft .net and you couldn't even access the api from any non-dotnet platform
[14:13] <miles> but it is heavy on cell batteries to leave open
[14:13] <charl> completely brain dead, they seem to function inside their own island and ignore what the rest of the world is up to
[14:13] <charl> but they couldn't make their own software scale either, they don't understand engineering, a bunch of microsoft folks
[14:13] <charl> they only know pointing and clicking
[14:14] <miles> lol like me
[14:15] <charl> difference is, you realise that :P
[14:15] <charl> so you're already one step above them
[14:15] <miles> haha
[14:16] <miles> and i can use sudo and apt-get and aptitud
[14:16] <miles> aptitude
[14:16] <miles> hmm... sticky e and r here
[14:17] <charl> no then you're way more advanced that what they are :P
[14:17] <miles> oh and rsync
[14:20] <miles> ThatGraemeGuy  you very quiet
[14:21] <miles> hmm... some of us work
[14:29] <inetpro> good evening... I mean morning... uh, what time is it?
[14:29] <charl> hi inetpro 
[14:29] <charl> long time no speak to, how have you been
[14:30] <inetpro> hi charl
[14:30] <miles> ohi inetpro  
[14:30] <inetpro> always busy here
[14:30] <charl> ah
[14:30] <charl> very good
[14:31] <inetpro> just realised I haven't been here for a while
[14:31] <inetpro> :-)
[14:31] <miles> naughty
[14:31] <miles> missed two meetings too
[14:32] <inetpro> meetings? really?
[14:32] <inetpro> ai!
[14:32] <miles> time to update topic bar for next meet
[14:32] <charl> i missed it too inetpro don't feel bad
[14:33] <charl> the last one in any case
[14:33] <miles> i got get sheeps
[14:33] <charl> i was in rotterdam
[14:37] <miles> ok guys, you all go home safely, im gonna fit new drive in pc and install something on it
[14:37] <miles> maybe unity or kde
[14:38] <miles> just need to put archives onna stick first
[14:38] <charl> good luck miles !
[14:38] <miles> lol ty, but ive got quite good at installs
[14:39] <miles> its keeping things going thats the prob
[14:39] <charl> ja
[14:39] <charl> i'm off too
[17:27] <magespawn> good evening
[17:28] <magespawn> anybody know about this http://is.gd/rBtYY3 ?
[17:28] <magespawn> Symmetria, ping
[17:33] <spinza> don't know much but it's all over.  not just mac.  linux in general
[17:33] <spinza> apt-get update will get you a new bash
[17:34] <spinza> ubuntu: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2362-1/
[17:35] <Squirm> magespawn
[17:35] <Squirm> it's anything that runs bash
[17:36] <Squirm> anything
[17:36] <Squirm> even some imbdedded devices
[17:36] <magespawn> i see Squirm , ty spinza, hectic
[17:37] <Squirm> I read somewhere, that if you run a bash script with certain code, it "triggers" the bug
[17:38] <magespawn> they have a line of code in that article to test for the bug
[17:41] <magespawn> update in progress
[17:46] <superfly> just updated all my machines
[17:54] <magespawn> hectic thing to find out
[17:54] <magespawn> the solution was quick though
[18:04] <magespawn> hey superfly, how is the family?
[18:05] <Squirm> magespawn: problem is it also affects things like your router :/
[18:10] <theblazehen> ah, discussing the bash CVE?
[18:10] <theblazehen> DHCP attack vector is interesting
[18:22] <magespawn> hey look, i am a yoyo
[18:24] <spinza> How does it affect routers? 
[18:33] <magespawn> it looks like anything that can run a bash can be exploited, so maybe dd-wrt and open-wrt
[18:46] <magespawn> anyway, i am off for now. later all
[18:49] <theblazehen> And a malicious dhcp server could run code on any machine using ddclien
[18:49] <theblazehen> ddclient*
[18:55] <Kilos> ai! what a business
[18:59] <Kilos> worst most costly clean install ever
[19:02] <theblazehen> Kilos: data?
[19:03] <Kilos> everything is bad
[19:03] <Kilos> slowest install most error full install download updates twice and still cant use them
[19:03] <theblazehen> oh yeah, my mobo is fixed :)
[19:03] <Kilos> errors everywhere
[19:04] <Kilos> what did you do?
[19:04] <theblazehen> bent a pin :(
[19:04] <Kilos> eish you must be gentle and concntrate man
[19:05] <theblazehen> Kilos: I know you used to ubuntu, but have you tried http://manjaro.org/ ?
[19:05] <theblazehen> yeah, i did...
[19:05] <Kilos> whats tha?
[19:05] <Kilos> eish lemme plug in another keyboard
[19:06] <theblazehen> Kilos: another distro, based on arch, but has graphical installer and stuff. I have less problems with arch than ubuntu
[19:06] <Kilos> no man there is no data to get another os
[19:06] <theblazehen> yeah
[19:06] <Kilos> and ubuntu must work
[19:07] <Kilos> ive blown about 500 meg today and still not working
[19:07] <Kilos> so on old drive again to make a install stick
[19:09] <Kilos> what a business
[19:09] <Kilos> havent ever battled with an install like this before
[19:10] <Kilos> and the local mirrors are sick
[19:11] <Kilos> ftp.wa.co.za rocks though
[19:12] <theblazehen> Kilos: I find that the download dies a lot with them..
[19:12] <Kilos> im not sure if you gotta do something in bios to make it like the 1TB drive. it sees it but everything is so slow
[19:13] <Kilos> bad business with our local mirrors
[19:13] <Kilos> downloaded packages and get dpkg errors so wipe them and download again and same or similar errors
[19:14] <Kilos> then cant install because dpkg-status is read only
[19:14] <Kilos> whew
[19:14] <Kilos> i wish i had taken kde in 64bit rather than unity
[19:15] <Kilos> so theblazehen have you got everything working again now
[19:15] <theblazehen> Kilos: need to do OS install, gonna do tomorrow night
[19:16] <Kilos> aha good luck
[19:16] <theblazehen> ty. You need it more than me, I think :) So good luck to you too
[19:16] <Kilos> i was wished good luck this avy and said ive done too many installs already to need it
[19:17] <Kilos> ill try kde on there tonight still if i can stay awake
[19:17] <theblazehen> Kilos: what is wrong exactly?
[19:17] <Kilos> ubuntu doesnt take an hour to install
[19:17] <Kilos> i dont understand it
[19:18] <Kilos> lol it seems like the drive is too heavy for the pc
[19:18] <theblazehen> ah. 
[19:18]  * theblazehen is going to bed. 
[19:18] <Kilos> like a 10 year old carrying a 15 year old
[19:18] <theblazehen> night Kilos, others
[19:18] <Kilos> night lad
[19:18] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:19] <Kilos> ill go try that drive again
[19:19] <Kilos> night all.
[19:20] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[19:27] <jrgns> evening all
[19:37] <inetpro> ai!
[19:37] <inetpro> good evening
[19:37] <inetpro> looks like all 8ta peeps will have to become morning people now
[19:38] <inetpro> this idea of Telkom moving night surfer hours to midnight has bit me badly this month
[19:39]  * inetpro somehow knew about the change but forgot to communicate with the rest of the family
[19:40] <jrgns> eish
[19:41] <inetpro> jrgns: long time no see, how are you doing?
[19:42] <inetpro> at least I still have a prepaid sim with a few MB of data left
[19:45] <jrgns> interpro: good thanx, busy as ever. struggling with a flippen third party agent that needs to be installed on a ubuntu machine
[19:45] <jrgns> but it's packaged so badly, I had to hunt down half of the deps first
[19:45] <jrgns> re the prepaid, always good to have a backup
[20:54] <superfly> Maaz: tell magespawn we're good thanks
[20:54] <Maaz> superfly: Righto, I'll tell magespawn on freenode