[05:37] morning superfly StonedAlchemist nuvolari Squirm and others [05:43] morning Kilos [06:01] morning [06:28] hi nlsthzn [06:28] you getting your swimming togs ready? [06:28] hehe [06:29] not yet :p [06:29] after school ;) [06:29] * nlsthzn goes for shower bbl :p [06:47] mornings [06:48] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:59] Hi Kilos, all [06:59] hi theblazehen [07:45] ai! sudo apt-get install kde-wallpapers says they are already the latest [07:46] aptitude reinstall fetches another 85 mB os wallpapers [08:37] restart needed wbb [09:00] the wonders of linux >.< [09:02] lol i cant find how to configure dolphindolphin [09:02] wanted to do step 7 on http://www.binarytides.com/better-kubuntu-14-04/ [09:05] normally when i follow online guides i break something and end up with a reinstall [09:24] sounds familiar - thought that was standard operating procedure lol [09:25] lol [09:25] probably only for us old ballies [09:25] yeah must be [09:26] the guys always tell me you arent on windows anymore [09:26] hehe [09:27] well, at least you can do something, not cursing at a blue screen [09:27] lol [11:26] good afternoon [11:26] Maaz: coffee on [11:26] * Maaz washes some mugs [11:30] Coffee's ready for charl! [11:31] Maaz: thanks [11:31] charl: Okay :-) [11:41] grrrr [11:43] hi magespawn [11:43] hi Kilos [11:43] hi charl magespawn [11:44] Kilos having a real good day [11:44] someone decided we need a power out for 40 mins or so [11:44] lol bushtech such is life [11:44] yep [11:45] and the courier company should have had my new drive here on tuesday [11:46] still waiting [11:46] they tell the supplier they cant find the place, but theyve been here twice this year [11:47] so supplier says take it back to them they will deliver personally and were told it would be there by 11am [11:47] they also still waiting [11:48] first freight must be blacklisted by everyone the swines [11:48] many parcels disappear or are "misplaced" [11:49] so someone is running a black market pc spares shop somewhere [12:16] howdy Kilos [12:16] hi charl [12:42] heh [12:42] our IT department now officially hates me :( [12:43] Symmetria: how so? [12:44] the screwed up certain things pretty badly, and its gonna take hours to fix, but whats broken is costing money [12:44] so I told em, they fix it tonight, and no one goes home until its fixed [12:44] and if anyone wants to leave before its fixed, they should consider that the same way I will, as an effective resignation [12:45] fix it, before you go home, or dont come back [12:45] lol [12:45] heh, then one of them decides to phone the kenyan cto and go zomg, andrew is being mean [12:46] the cto goes, errr dude, this is your ass on the line, I aint putting my ass on the line by trying to countermand that, so I suggest you listen to him and take him seriously [12:46] Symmetria: eish... [12:46] they went back to their desks to start drinking coffee and red bull ;p [12:46] lol [12:46] well that's not that strange actually [12:46] in most western countries if things are seriously fubar you would also do that [12:47] i have had incidents which i didn't even create myself which i had to resolve by staying late [12:47] seriously, when shit goes wrong and its costing money, and YOU fucked up, dont expect me to play nice and let you go get a good nights sleep [12:47] that's kind-of expected in most ict companies [12:47] when shit went wrong at tenet on certain days, I was awake for 50+ hours until it was sorted [12:47] people lazy and don't take things seriously [12:48] i was in america a couple of years back with a kenyan [12:48] his comment on americans was that "these people work too hard" [12:48] if that's your culture (a culture of laziness) you will never get anywhere [12:48] lol charl Im slowly bringing people around, my team knows the rules, and they know I reward them for it [12:49] that said, americans do have a culture of working 12 hour days and then spending 6 of those hours either on reddit or around the coffee machine [12:49] the rest of the company is starting to discover that when I speak, its in your own best interests to listen [12:49] for a while they believed that because I was not technically kenyan management and worked for group they could get around me [12:49] they have discovered otherwise ;p [12:50] i always have the principle that when shit hits i work extra hard [12:50] because then other times i can take it easy and people stay off my ass [12:50] if you miss deadlines then you get put under a magnifying glass [12:50] and then every time there's issues [12:51] rather put in the extra hours when it matters and take it easy the rest of the time [12:51] that said, if you keep working too hard, people come to expect it and keep hitting you with unrealistic deadlines [12:51] so you need to be careful also to put your foot down [12:51] but that's speaking from a developers's standpooint [12:51] if you're in operations of course you think differently [12:51] if you do your job well and make sure shit keeps working you can sit back and relax :P [12:53] heh well, thats true, because as I've always said to my team [12:53] do well, and if shit hits the fan, I'll take the flac [12:54] fuck up and dont inform me what you're doing, and you get no protection from me [12:54] its your choice [12:54] so they have it pretty easy if they perform [12:54] yeah [12:55] that's true [12:58] heh at the level I'm at though, the pressure never really stops [12:58] the thing is, if someone junior or even mid level fucks up, the impact can cost a bit of money, but it wont be catastrophic [12:58] by the time you get to the executive level, fuckups start getting *REALLY* expensive [13:00] yup [13:00] that's also true [13:08] later all [13:49] ooo yay my drive arrived [13:49] personal delivery from omega [13:49] they say they wont use couriers to me in the future [13:52] nice [13:52] how large is it ? [13:53] 1TB [13:54] others are outa budget [13:56] nice [13:56] ah [13:56] iomega - is that a nas or just a drive ? [13:57] charl: omega is a company [13:57] ya im happy now i can do a data recovery on my crashed 500g [13:57] in NL there was a big iomega scandal a number of years ago relating to personal nas devices from iomega that wasn't secured properly [13:57] a supplier [13:57] omega trading i think they are called [13:57] Squirm: i know that i'm not an idiot :P [13:57] like Sahara/Rectron/Esquire [13:58] oh wait, sorry, my fault [13:58] :P [13:58] omega, not iomega :P [13:58] omega not iomega [13:58] ya same but cheaper [13:58] Squirm: i know that i'm not an idiot :P [13:58] * Squirm looks at charl [13:58] ;) [13:58] and no need to have an account [13:58] Squirm: you said < Squirm> charl: omega is a company [13:58] iomega is also a company [13:58] I know [13:58] sjoe [13:58] I just hit enter before I finished my sentence :P [13:58] oh :P [13:58] haha [13:59] it's ridiculous to create a company that has a name that resembles another big ict company that closely [13:59] it is bound to create confusion [14:00] man they are my suppliers and dont give me hassles so dont fight them [14:00] they dont mind helping the little guy [14:01] that's nice [14:02] and i can chat to the rep on skype im [14:02] skype :( [14:03] somewhere like Esquire, you have to sing up, but it's free and the cater for anyone who has, COD. They have a shop in... [14:03] they are windows peeps so i give them some rope [14:03] umm [14:03] Centurion? ish [14:03] moved away from skype since microsoft bought them and the patent on eavesdropping on distributed networks went public [14:03] long before the nsa scandals surfaced even [14:03] well, not long, about 6 months before [14:03] oh my [14:04] they cant get much from me anyway [14:04] that's why when everybody acted shocked about the nsa scandals i was like "we all know it" [14:04] we just didn't know to which extent it went [14:04] i'm not worried about the eavesdropping but i'm worried they might have a backdoor into accessing the rest of your system [14:04] on windows 8 they have a backdoor open in any case but not on linux [14:04] they cant do much here. [14:05] so if skype for linux for example would include a backdoor into your filesystem and other system resources [14:05] i had to install it for my mom because she knows people who only use skype [14:05] ok ill tell her to get to irc or pidgin ims [14:05] so i installed virtualbox and installed skype inside a separate copy of ubuntu [14:05] just to sandbox it from the rest of the system [14:06] thats an idea charl [14:06] miles: xmpp is still the most widely accepted instant messaging protocol around [14:06] gtalk [14:06] gtalk also used to use it [14:06] google has been talking about integrating gtalk into their hangouts feature [14:06] not sure if they did or didn't do it though [14:07] i have xmpp in pidgin for ian [14:07] but i run prosody on my vps and i run pidgin with otr on my desktop [14:07] ah yes, i remember now [14:08] you use it with your daughter too right ? [14:08] yes and mxit [14:08] what really bugs me is that whatsapp also makes use of xmpp underwater but they refuse to federate with anyone [14:08] xmpp when we share rugby matches and she has to use her tablet [14:08] mxit used to have an xmpp gateway also but they closed it down i think a long time ago :( [14:09] my mom uses an application called xabber on her android phone [14:09] http://www.xabber.org/ [14:09] works really well and also has otr support i think [14:09] chatsecure is also a good alternative https://chatsecure.org/ [14:09] is anyone still actually using mxit? [14:10] dont make more headaches, pidgin is good for me [14:10] very few. my boet and tara still mxit me [14:11] ian has got whatsapp and xmpp [14:11] yeah i thought mxit got completely killed [14:11] i went to one of their developer events in stellenbosch a number of years ago [14:11] no they gone into sending adverts with every login [14:11] they spent a *lot* of money on that event, fancy venue, fancy food [14:12] but they were extremely closed, they didn't want anyone to post anything about the event online and nobody got access to their api without doing a "special deal" with them [14:12] they have servers all over the world and mxit starts up before anything else [14:12] and everything was microsoft .net and you couldn't even access the api from any non-dotnet platform [14:13] but it is heavy on cell batteries to leave open [14:13] completely brain dead, they seem to function inside their own island and ignore what the rest of the world is up to [14:13] but they couldn't make their own software scale either, they don't understand engineering, a bunch of microsoft folks [14:13] they only know pointing and clicking [14:14] lol like me [14:15] difference is, you realise that :P [14:15] so you're already one step above them [14:15] haha [14:16] and i can use sudo and apt-get and aptitud [14:16] aptitude [14:16] hmm... sticky e and r here [14:17] no then you're way more advanced that what they are :P [14:17] oh and rsync [14:20] ThatGraemeGuy you very quiet [14:21] hmm... some of us work [14:29] good evening... I mean morning... uh, what time is it? [14:29] hi inetpro [14:29] long time no speak to, how have you been [14:30] hi charl [14:30] ohi inetpro [14:30] always busy here [14:30] ah [14:30] very good [14:31] just realised I haven't been here for a while [14:31] :-) [14:31] naughty [14:31] missed two meetings too [14:32] meetings? really? [14:32] ai! [14:32] time to update topic bar for next meet [14:32] i missed it too inetpro don't feel bad [14:33] the last one in any case [14:33] i got get sheeps [14:33] i was in rotterdam [14:37] ok guys, you all go home safely, im gonna fit new drive in pc and install something on it [14:37] maybe unity or kde [14:38] just need to put archives onna stick first [14:38] good luck miles ! [14:38] lol ty, but ive got quite good at installs [14:39] its keeping things going thats the prob [14:39] ja [14:39] i'm off too [17:27] good evening [17:28] anybody know about this http://is.gd/rBtYY3 ? [17:28] Symmetria, ping [17:33] don't know much but it's all over. not just mac. linux in general [17:33] apt-get update will get you a new bash [17:34] ubuntu: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2362-1/ [17:35] magespawn [17:35] it's anything that runs bash [17:36] anything [17:36] even some imbdedded devices [17:36] i see Squirm , ty spinza, hectic [17:37] I read somewhere, that if you run a bash script with certain code, it "triggers" the bug [17:38] they have a line of code in that article to test for the bug [17:41] update in progress [17:46] just updated all my machines [17:54] hectic thing to find out [17:54] the solution was quick though [18:04] hey superfly, how is the family? [18:05] magespawn: problem is it also affects things like your router :/ [18:10] ah, discussing the bash CVE? [18:10] DHCP attack vector is interesting === magespawn_ is now known as magespawn [18:22] hey look, i am a yoyo [18:24] How does it affect routers? [18:33] it looks like anything that can run a bash can be exploited, so maybe dd-wrt and open-wrt [18:46] anyway, i am off for now. later all [18:49] And a malicious dhcp server could run code on any machine using ddclien [18:49] ddclient* [18:55] ai! what a business [18:59] worst most costly clean install ever [19:02] Kilos: data? [19:03] everything is bad [19:03] slowest install most error full install download updates twice and still cant use them [19:03] oh yeah, my mobo is fixed :) [19:03] errors everywhere [19:04] what did you do? [19:04] bent a pin :( [19:04] eish you must be gentle and concntrate man [19:05] Kilos: I know you used to ubuntu, but have you tried http://manjaro.org/ ? [19:05] yeah, i did... [19:05] whats tha? [19:05] eish lemme plug in another keyboard [19:06] Kilos: another distro, based on arch, but has graphical installer and stuff. I have less problems with arch than ubuntu [19:06] no man there is no data to get another os [19:06] yeah [19:06] and ubuntu must work [19:07] ive blown about 500 meg today and still not working [19:07] so on old drive again to make a install stick [19:09] what a business [19:09] havent ever battled with an install like this before [19:10] and the local mirrors are sick [19:11] ftp.wa.co.za rocks though [19:12] Kilos: I find that the download dies a lot with them.. [19:12] im not sure if you gotta do something in bios to make it like the 1TB drive. it sees it but everything is so slow [19:13] bad business with our local mirrors [19:13] downloaded packages and get dpkg errors so wipe them and download again and same or similar errors [19:14] then cant install because dpkg-status is read only [19:14] whew [19:14] i wish i had taken kde in 64bit rather than unity [19:15] so theblazehen have you got everything working again now [19:15] Kilos: need to do OS install, gonna do tomorrow night [19:16] aha good luck [19:16] ty. You need it more than me, I think :) So good luck to you too [19:16] i was wished good luck this avy and said ive done too many installs already to need it [19:17] ill try kde on there tonight still if i can stay awake [19:17] Kilos: what is wrong exactly? [19:17] ubuntu doesnt take an hour to install [19:17] i dont understand it [19:18] lol it seems like the drive is too heavy for the pc [19:18] ah. [19:18] * theblazehen is going to bed. [19:18] like a 10 year old carrying a 15 year old [19:18] night Kilos, others [19:18] night lad [19:18] sleep tight [19:19] ill go try that drive again [19:19] night all. [19:20] lekker slaap [19:27] evening all [19:37] ai! [19:37] good evening [19:37] looks like all 8ta peeps will have to become morning people now [19:38] this idea of Telkom moving night surfer hours to midnight has bit me badly this month [19:39] * inetpro somehow knew about the change but forgot to communicate with the rest of the family [19:40] eish [19:41] jrgns: long time no see, how are you doing? [19:42] at least I still have a prepaid sim with a few MB of data left [19:45] interpro: good thanx, busy as ever. struggling with a flippen third party agent that needs to be installed on a ubuntu machine [19:45] but it's packaged so badly, I had to hunt down half of the deps first [19:45] re the prepaid, always good to have a backup [20:54] Maaz: tell magespawn we're good thanks [20:54] superfly: Righto, I'll tell magespawn on freenode