| bluesabre | I think I'm going to extend the patches to support both | 00:08 |
|---|---|---|
| bluesabre | also, good evening everyone | 00:09 |
| bluesabre | whether I get to those packages tonight remains to be seen | 00:10 |
| === TheMaster is now known as Unit193 | ||
| bluesabre | brainwash: not that you're around, but a fixed xfce4-settings has been pushed to utopic (will land when freeze is lifted tomorrow). I'll be working on trusty uploads this weekend. | 00:57 |
| bluesabre | I'll also expand the gdmflexiserver patches to first try gdmflexiserver, then dm-tool upon failure | 00:59 |
| Unit193 | Heh, alright. xscreensaver looked like it checked what was running/installed, but anywho I'll leave how to do it up to you, if you choose. :P | 01:01 |
| bluesabre | I'll figure it out... none of these things are as smart as they seem :) | 01:01 |
| bluesabre | though, I might ping you this weekend Unit193, if you're around ;) | 01:01 |
| bluesabre | anyway, gotta run again, bbl | 01:02 |
| Unit193 | Hah, you're the programmer. :P | 01:02 |
| Unit193 | Tschau. | 01:02 |
| skellat | In light of the pinkness bug, I got out there preemptively on AskUbuntu and submitted a Question + Answer combo: http://askubuntu.com/questions/528116/why-did-my-highlights-turn-pink-in-xubuntu-14-10 | 02:51 |
| ali1234 | nice | 03:14 |
| ali1234 | can we make the installer load this in a hidden iframe also? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky3Ordfqn88 | 03:18 |
| skellat | ali1234, That is pure evil | 03:47 |
| ali1234 | i'm still watching it | 03:47 |
| Unit193 | 5 minutes. | 04:18 |
| Noskcaj | ali1234, That's worse than the 10 hour nyan cat and the 10 hour darude sandstorm | 06:22 |
| elfy | hi Noskcaj | 06:28 |
| Noskcaj | hey elfy | 06:30 |
| ochosi | morning folks | 08:01 |
| ochosi | just subscribed ubiquity to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1365815 | 09:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1365815 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Black background on Try or Install screen" [Critical,Confirmed] | 09:09 |
| ochosi | actually xubuntu-default-settings is not the right package anyway, the wallpaper-symlink for ubiquity is generated in xubuntu-artwork | 09:09 |
| ochosi | but i checked, we haven't changed anything there, so the location that ubiquity tries to access here should still be fine | 09:10 |
| ochosi | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/bin/ubiquity-dm#L369 | 09:10 |
| ochosi | also briefly scanned the changelog of ubiquity, but nothing caught my eye | 09:10 |
| ochosi | so i hope xnox (or someone else) can shed some light on this | 09:10 |
| elfy | that one is a pain - it goes, it comes back, it goes ... | 09:13 |
| knome | hmmh | 09:18 |
| knome | i think i just hit the "black screen after suspend" bug the first time | 09:18 |
| knome | let me try if i can reproduce | 09:18 |
| knome | looks like TTY7 is black | 09:21 |
| knome | TTY1 works | 09:21 |
| knome | ochosi, ^ | 09:21 |
| ochosi | knome: you're on 14.04.1 and have activated the fix? | 09:27 |
| knome | how do i specifically activate it? | 09:35 |
| knome | i've been on 14.04.1 for some time, and this is the first time i see this bug | 09:35 |
| knome | so i would have imagined i don't have it / have the fix activated, but... | 09:35 |
| ochosi | just read our blog, man | 09:36 |
| ochosi | http://xubuntu.org/news/laptop-users-fix-available-for-the-black-screen-on-unlock-bug/ | 09:36 |
| ochosi | ;) | 09:36 |
| knome | bah, overrated! | 09:36 |
| * knome boots | 09:37 | |
| * ochosi boots knome | 09:37 | |
| ochosi | you know, the problem with this bug is that it's often just a problem with suspend | 09:39 |
| ochosi | as soon as you can reproduce it, you can try 1) the fix linked above and 2) to disable l-l to be sure | 09:40 |
| ochosi | (disabling light-locker in the sense of: disabling lock on suspend) | 09:40 |
| knome | ochosi, yeah, TTY7 is still blank | 09:42 |
| knome | but please understand, locking *with light-locker* has worked before | 09:43 |
| ochosi | you mean lock-on-suspend with light-locker, i presume | 09:43 |
| knome | yes | 09:43 |
| knome | that :P | 09:43 |
| knome | i'll try disabling light-locker next | 09:43 |
| knome | just a sec... | 09:43 |
| knome | so with light-locker disabled, what was the way to go to suspend again? | 09:44 |
| ochosi | just disable lock on suspend, not light-locker itself | 09:45 |
| knome | aha | 09:45 |
| ochosi | but yeah, you can suspend any way you want (close the lid, use the logout menu) | 09:45 |
| knome | sorry for being a bit green, it's a long time since i thought about this the last time | 09:45 |
| ochosi | np | 09:45 |
| ochosi | actually there could be a difference between closing the lid and using the logout menu, iirc | 09:45 |
| ochosi | only the lid created problems | 09:45 |
| knome | yes, i'll look into that too next | 09:46 |
| knome | yeah, that fixes the issue | 09:46 |
| knome | and yeah, even with lock on suspend enabled, suspending from the menu works | 09:48 |
| ochosi | yup | 09:48 |
| knome | now that i've pinpointed it, how can i help debug this further? | 09:48 |
| ochosi | it's a weird bug to begin with | 09:48 |
| ochosi | are you using all default packages of 14.04? | 09:49 |
| ochosi | or e.g. newer versions of xfpm or ll | 09:49 |
| knome | nope, all default | 09:49 |
| knome | actually... | 09:49 |
| knome | now that you mention it | 09:49 |
| knome | i just enabled the xubuntu-dev staging PPA | 09:49 |
| ochosi | huhu | 09:49 |
| * knome facepalms | 09:49 | |
| knome | so is it a regression? | 09:50 |
| ochosi | not really, but the variable names for handling the lock on suspend case in xfpm has changed | 09:50 |
| knome | aha | 09:50 |
| ochosi | so older versions of lls won't work with that nicely | 09:50 |
| knome | aha | 09:50 |
| knome | so why isn't there a new version of l-l-s in the staging PPA? | 09:50 |
| ochosi | i wasn't all too happy with that change, since it breaks backward compatibility, but yeah, better ask bluesabre ;) | 09:51 |
| knome | bluesabre, PING | 09:51 |
| ochosi | oh let the guy get some sleep :) | 09:51 |
| knome | tbe, bluesabre was the one suggesting me to install the PPA for the new mousepad :P | 09:51 |
| knome | is there something i can manually do to make this work? | 09:51 |
| ochosi | well you don't have to upgrade *all* packages from that PPA | 09:52 |
| knome | no, but it's easiest that way | 09:52 |
| ochosi | you can try to downgrade to xfpm 1.2 from 14.04 | 09:52 |
| ochosi | and then re-apply the fix as mentioned on the blog | 09:52 |
| ochosi | or you can try to set the right variable for xfpm | 09:52 |
| ochosi | sry, gotta get back to work now | 09:52 |
| knome | ochosi, pinned to the version in the archive, redid the fix mentioned, but suspending with lock on suspend when closing lid is still broken | 10:16 |
| bluesabre | :( | 10:38 |
| * bluesabre is not a fan of this bug | 10:38 | |
| knome | nope | 10:38 |
| bluesabre | knome: want to be an experiment? | 10:39 |
| knome | well i obviously can/want do stuff | 10:40 |
| bluesabre | can you re-update to the PPA version? | 10:41 |
| knome | sure, a bit later | 10:42 |
| knome | i need to do something for a client first | 10:43 |
| bluesabre | the logic was flipped, and the fix worked for some, not for others... | 10:43 |
| bluesabre | and the bug does not affect me, so I am coding in the dark... | 10:43 |
| bluesabre | try each of the following, followed by a log out, and then back in. I want to know which setting actually fixes the issue | 10:44 |
| bluesabre | xfconf-query -c xfce4-power-manager -p /xfce4-power-manager/logind-handle-lid-switch -s false | 10:44 |
| bluesabre | xfconf-query -c xfce4-power-manager -p /xfce4-power-manager/logind-handle-lid-switch -s true | 10:44 |
| bluesabre | (do this after enabling light-locker and lock-on-suspend from l-l-s) | 10:45 |
| bluesabre | but yeah, just some time today :) | 10:45 |
| knome | i'll do it in ~15mins | 10:46 |
| bluesabre | awesome | 10:46 |
| bluesabre | I might have to release an updated light-locker-settings, and this would be really good to know before 14.10 is released :) | 10:47 |
| knome | brb | 11:10 |
| knome | i mean, from the laptop -> | 11:10 |
| bluesabre | knome: do we have screenshots of simple-scan anywhere? | 11:13 |
| knome | bluesabre, no, how? | 11:13 |
| knome | /why? | 11:13 |
| bluesabre | I figured out how to add minimize/maximize to headerbars | 11:13 |
| knome | aha | 11:13 |
| bluesabre | slight ui change... but much better for consistency | 11:14 |
| knome | umm, does xfce4-power-manager need other packages to be able to update? | 11:14 |
| bluesabre | -data, -plugins | 11:14 |
| knome | pinning it back to 500 doesn't do anything | 11:14 |
| knome | aha | 11:14 |
| knome | what :D | 11:16 |
| knome | only -plugins would be upgraded | 11:16 |
| knome | this is silly... | 11:16 |
| knome | right, wrong syntax from me | 11:17 |
| knome | ok, let's see... | 11:17 |
| knome | ok, first thing done | 11:18 |
| knome | will try to suspend now | 11:18 |
| knome | first thing failing | 11:20 |
| bluesabre | l-l-s, things enabled, property set, and logged out after setting? | 11:20 |
| knome | yes | 11:20 |
| bluesabre | k | 11:21 |
| knome | have done second thing now and will try to suspend | 11:21 |
| bluesabre | logged out first? | 11:21 |
| knome | yes | 11:21 |
| knome | the second option works | 11:21 |
| bluesabre | neat | 11:21 |
| bluesabre | and troublesome | 11:21 |
| knome | i remember editing some file at some point | 11:22 |
| knome | related to power management | 11:22 |
| bluesabre | ochosi ^ so, allowing logind to handle the lid switch works... is that correct? | 11:22 |
| knome | where's the related logind conf files? | 11:22 |
| bluesabre | /etc/systemd/logind.conf ? | 11:23 |
| knome | probably.. | 11:23 |
| knome | it has #HandleSuspendkey=suspend | 11:23 |
| bluesabre | adding this fix to xfpm made overrides in that file not matter anymore | 11:24 |
| knome | aha | 11:24 |
| bluesabre | or, that was the plan | 11:24 |
| knome | well apparently, the problem in my case is when logind *doesn't* handle suspending | 11:24 |
| bluesabre | indeed | 11:25 |
| bluesabre | all this is confusing, and I do not know what should and should not work at this point... | 11:25 |
| knome | as always, if there is anything i can do to help fixing it, i'm willing :) | 11:25 |
| bluesabre | well, you figured out the setting that works for you | 11:25 |
| knome | not just because i want my laptop's suspend to work... | 11:25 |
| bluesabre | so that might be a start | 11:25 |
| bluesabre | :) | 11:26 |
| knome | i should clean my monitor | 11:26 |
| bluesabre | knome: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1373887 | 11:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1373887 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] Add minimize and maximize to GtkHeaderbars" [Undecided,New] | 11:35 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: yes, logind has to handle the lid switch | 11:35 |
| bluesabre | ah | 11:35 |
| bluesabre | good to know | 11:35 |
| bluesabre | new l-l-s coming today ;) | 11:36 |
| ochosi | but only if lock-on-suspend is enabled ;) | 11:36 |
| bluesabre | right | 11:36 |
| ochosi | but yeah, we've had that before | 11:36 |
| bluesabre | where it was flipped, it was confusing | 11:36 |
| ochosi | yeah, i never felt flipping was a really good idea | 11:36 |
| bluesabre | well, it was a lot of reverse-logic before | 11:36 |
| ochosi | made a confusing issue even more confusing ("are you using the version before or after the flipping..?") | 11:36 |
| bluesabre | the setting actually makes sense now | 11:37 |
| ochosi | right, maybe we should just write things down somewhere | 11:37 |
| bluesabre | logind-handle-lid-switch now means "logind handle lid switch" | 11:37 |
| bluesabre | :D | 11:37 |
| bluesabre | knome: thanks for testing :) | 11:38 |
| knome | np | 11:38 |
| knome | i understand that it's always so much easier to do that with somebody who you know, and who understands something about xubuntu | 11:38 |
| knome | which is why i'm more than willing to help | 11:38 |
| ochosi | do we need another +1 for the UIFe? | 11:39 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: if you want | 11:39 |
| bluesabre | I just subscribed ubuntu-release, so it will make it pop up in their queue | 11:39 |
| knome | ochosi, what about the flash of content before unlocking? | 11:40 |
| ochosi | cool | 11:40 |
| bluesabre | I'll ping them tonight after the freeze is lifted | 11:40 |
| knome | i proposed ochosi a hacky solution, which should work, however.. | 11:40 |
| ochosi | knome: nothing we can do about that. same thing happens with xscreensaver potentially. it's related to locking after waking up | 11:40 |
| knome | sure, but what about my idea about the timeout? | 11:40 |
| ochosi | what if for some reason that process of suspending gets "stuck"? | 11:41 |
| ochosi | then you end up with a black screen | 11:41 |
| ochosi | there are just too many pitfalls with this approach imo | 11:41 |
| knome | the timeout should take care of that as well | 11:41 |
| knome | because when it times out, it unblanks the screen | 11:41 |
| ochosi | iirc your idea was to black out the screen when locking (with a black top-level window), then do suspend and on wakeup lock the screen | 11:42 |
| bluesabre | gotta run, bbl | 11:42 |
| knome | yes, something like that | 11:42 |
| ochosi | ttyl bluesabre, hf! | 11:42 |
| knome | ta bluesabre | 11:43 |
| knome | and hf | 11:43 |
| ochosi | the only real solution is to find out why suspending after the vt switch doesn't work properly | 11:43 |
| knome | i'm not disagreeing with that :) | 11:44 |
| knome | but how far from that are we really? | 11:44 |
| ochosi | and it's probably not that much more work than trying to implement your hack :) | 11:44 |
| knome | and is it possibly a hardware issue? | 11:44 |
| knome | well then get hacking on your solution then! :P | 11:44 |
| ochosi | that depends, if i or someone else would actually have time to spend on it, then maybe we wouldn't be too far away | 11:44 |
| ochosi | but i don't have time atm | 11:45 |
| knome | i understand there is no exact timeframe to give | 11:45 |
| knome | but i was thinking about an estimation | 11:45 |
| knome | is this affecting ubuntu as well? | 11:45 |
| ochosi | ubuntu doesn't switch vt when locking | 11:45 |
| knome | ok, so why do we do that? | 11:45 |
| ochosi | gah, sorry, i really don't have time for this right now | 11:45 |
| ochosi | -> back to work | 11:45 |
| knome | that's okay :P | 11:46 |
| brainwash | that's a funny question :) | 11:46 |
| knome | ttyl | 11:46 |
| knome | brainwash, i don't think it's funny. what in it do you think is funny? | 11:46 |
| brainwash | light-locker requires lightdm + greeter to lock the screen | 11:46 |
| brainwash | which starts in a new vt | 11:47 |
| brainwash | light-locker 2.0 will hopefully get rid of the vt switching, but we don't know when it will be ready :( | 11:48 |
| brainwash | do gtk3 apps hide the normal title bar now? if no, what is the benefit of adding minimize/maximize to gtkheaderbars? | 11:52 |
| brainwash | maybe I'm not up-to-date | 11:55 |
| brainwash | bug 1301873 is still open | 11:56 |
| ubottu | bug 1301873 in Xfwm4 "Add support for title-less windows" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1301873 | 11:56 |
| knome | bbl. -> | 12:14 |
| bluesabre | brainwash: if you're running utopic, open simple-scan | 12:53 |
| bluesabre | CSDs work correctly in xfce now | 12:53 |
| bluesabre | gotta run | 12:53 |
| brainwash | how does it work correctly? who fixed that? | 12:54 |
| bluesabre | its part of gtk 3.10 or 3.12 | 12:55 |
| bluesabre | fixed in the toolkit | 12:55 |
| brainwash | good news I guess | 12:55 |
| elfy | ochosi: http://pad.ubuntu.com/b2notes | 17:05 |
| elfy | bbl | 17:05 |
| ochosi | elfy: thanks, fixed some small typos, but the rest looks good! nice work | 17:11 |
| * bluesabre added a space | 17:13 | |
| * knome removed bluesabre's space | 17:15 | |
| * bluesabre adds more spaces, html doesn't care | 17:16 | |
| knome | waat | 17:16 |
| knome | you make me sad | 17:16 |
| * bluesabre fixes mistake in judgment | 17:17 | |
| knome | boo for pad adding spaces :( | 17:21 |
| bluesabre | for vbox, its host+F1 (usually right-ctrl + F1) | 17:24 |
| elfy | thanks bluesabre - saved me time :p | 17:24 |
| knome | bluesabre, righty | 17:25 |
| bluesabre | ;) | 17:25 |
| elfy | not sure about other vm's though - hence not putting anything there | 17:25 |
| * knome shrugs :) | 17:26 | |
| knome | moved striked stuff at the bottom | 17:28 |
| elfy | looks better like that :p | 17:33 |
| elfy | ochosi: so what we going to do about marking these images | 18:12 |
| elfy | others are marking ready regardless | 18:13 |
| bluesabre | we should probably just mark ready... everyone else has the same issue, and I think the decision is to release now and fix lightdm after | 18:16 |
| elfy | was my thinking | 18:17 |
| bluesabre | great minds... | 18:18 |
| bluesabre | :) | 18:18 |
| elfy | I've asked the question, though <jibel> there is progress on the 'boot to black screen' issue but it wont be fixed for beta2 in another channel confirmed that thinking | 18:18 |
| elfy | other than things we can't fix I'm happy | 18:19 |
| elfy | a bit happier with the testing turnout | 18:19 |
| elfy | can't say I'm impressed though | 18:20 |
| bluesabre | :) | 18:24 |
| bluesabre | its an improvement, but we can do better | 18:24 |
| elfy | <infinity> elfy: Yeah, we're going to ignore that issue and fix it ASAP after the beta. | 18:29 |
| elfy | I'll mark them now | 18:29 |
| elfy | done | 18:29 |
| elfy | draft blog post done from the pad | 18:31 |
| knome | elfy, ta :) | 18:34 |
| knome | elfy, please mention that in the pad | 18:34 |
| elfy | mention what in the pad? that I'm not impressed | 18:34 |
| elfy | done :) | 18:35 |
| knome | tara ;) | 18:36 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Updates got me a scroll up button, next to minimize. | 18:42 |
| bluesabre | Unit193..? screenshot | 18:43 |
| elfy | we got a screenshot button too :( | 18:43 |
| elfy | oh dear | 18:43 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: https://unit193.net/buttons.png | 18:45 |
| bluesabre | bizarre | 18:45 |
| elfy | I'm not seeing that - but I've customised that stuff | 18:46 |
| bluesabre | which wm theme? | 18:46 |
| Unit193 | Numix | 18:46 |
| bluesabre | not seeing that even in the guest session... | 18:54 |
| Unit193 | Well that's weird, nothing changed here... Well it's not important. | 18:55 |
| bluesabre | does it affect your guest session or a new user? just making sure I didn't break anything | 18:55 |
| Unit193 | Bah, have to restart lightdm... | 18:57 |
| Unit193 | Okay, so no idea how that hit then.. | 19:01 |
| bluesabre | lol | 19:02 |
| bluesabre | ochosi put an easter egg in xfwm | 19:02 |
| Unit193 | Guess so. | 19:02 |
| Unit193 | Also, guest session kind of stinks. :P | 19:03 |
| elfy | I wonder if we should put a disclaimer of some sort on the b2 post - "We don't like marking this as ready for use given the VM bug" | 20:08 |
| knome | well, i don't know | 20:08 |
| knome | tbh, the virtual installations are not *so* important | 20:08 |
| knome | they don't blow up anybody's computer | 20:08 |
| knome | and it's relatively easy to rerun an installation with another image | 20:08 |
| elfy | whole thing is meh | 20:08 |
| knome | yes, it is, but i don't think it is too critical to not call them beta-stage-ready | 20:09 |
| elfy | oh ... | 20:24 |
| elfy | why would I ever think that I could work with the wiki without pulling my hair out | 20:24 |
| Unit193 | Drunk? | 20:25 |
| knome | elfy, no hair left? | 20:26 |
| Unit193 | Chest hair... | 20:26 |
| elfy | knome: indeed | 20:26 |
| elfy | anyway - beta2 notes done - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Beta2/Xubuntu | 20:26 |
| knome | thanks! | 20:26 |
| elfy | includes is all up the swanee though | 20:29 |
| knome | want me to look at it? | 20:29 |
| elfy | hang on | 20:29 |
| knome | sure... | 20:30 |
| elfy | fixed it | 20:30 |
| knome | :) | 20:30 |
| elfy | though it's a bit useless :D | 20:30 |
| knome | as alwyas | 20:30 |
| knome | always too | 20:30 |
| elfy | even more so this time - it's empty :p | 20:30 |
| knome | hah | 20:30 |
| knome | hmph | 20:31 |
| elfy | changed our link on the main release notes | 20:33 |
| elfy | what's the hmph for knome - the emptiness or something else | 20:34 |
| knome | i continued the thing in the right channel, -offtopic :) | 20:35 |
| elfy | aah | 20:35 |
| * bluesabre gets to packaging xfpm 1.4.1 | 21:06 | |
| elfy | well I'm off now | 21:09 |
| bluesabre | seeya elfy, have a good night | 21:09 |
| slickymaster | nighty elfy | 21:09 |
| elfy | I'll do my best bluesabre :) | 21:09 |
| elfy | wiki and blog are both done bluesabre just in case anyone in -release needs anything | 21:10 |
| bluesabre | ok, good to know | 21:10 |
| elfy | -release only have ochosi and me as contacts | 21:10 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: poke | 21:16 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre, Are you going to try and merge from debian for the new xfpm? Corsac has packaged it | 21:17 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: not sure if its worth it. We have several differences with debian and nothing extra has diverged since 1.4.0 | 21:18 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 21:18 |
| Noskcaj | i'll try and get all the deltas smaller next cycle anyway | 21:18 |
| bluesabre | thanks for the tip though :) | 21:18 |
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| bluesabre | Unit193: nvm, figured out it | 21:21 |
| bluesabre | /unping | 21:21 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Too bad, pooong. :D | 21:26 |
| bluesabre | :D | 21:29 |
| dreambit | o | 21:31 |
| bluesabre | knome: new light-locker-settings pushed to utopic, and staging ppa for trusty | 22:32 |
| knome | aha | 22:33 |
| knome | how does that help? | 22:33 |
| knome | i mean... what's the change too | 22:33 |
| bluesabre | when you say lock, it sets the right setting for xfpm to not black screen | 22:33 |
| knome | aha | 22:34 |
| knome | but isn't that something you switched? | 22:34 |
| knome | and the other thing doesn't work for others? | 22:34 |
| Unit193 | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/185784036/light-locker-settings_1.4.1-0ubuntu1_1.4.2-0ubuntu1.diff.gz | 22:34 |
| bluesabre | xfpm < 1.3.2 uses old light-locker-settings, xfpm > 1.4.0 uses the new | 22:34 |
| knome | okay | 22:34 |
| bluesabre | just poked you because you had an issue with that earlier :) | 22:35 |
| knome | yep | 22:35 |
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