[00:28] <superkuh> I keep hopping that the libglib/thunar bug that causes my filemanager to segfault every 15 minutes will be fixed.
[00:28] <superkuh> At this rate I might just have to forget this entire OS install. Maybe time to switch to arch.
[00:29] <superkuh> http://pastebin.com/pRiy7Sir
[00:30] <superkuh> I can't fix it. I've spent at least 30 hours of real time trying to figure it out with gdb, etc.
[00:30] <bluesabre> that looks like caja... not thunar
[00:30] <superkuh> Look again.
[00:30] <superkuh> And it is both, because of the way they interact with glib.
[00:30] <bluesabre> I see
[00:31] <superkuh> Memory corruption in the gslice magazine allocator.
[00:31] <superkuh> I closed my bug on the Ubuntu MATE launchpad when I found out thunar did it too.
[00:31] <superkuh> Same segfault, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1372140/+attachment/4211926/+files/thunar_full.txt
[00:32] <superkuh> Sometimes I wish I could just disable the Apport "this executable already crashed 2 times, ignoring" so the devs could see how often it really happens.
[00:34] <superkuh> Supposed to be fixed by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/1316509 , but it's not.
[00:35] <bluesabre> Then this is a problem with glib/gtk, and you're probably going to run into the same issue with arch
[00:35] <superkuh> As someone here asked, I tried another use account to verify it wasn't just something odd in my user config. It wasn't.
[00:35] <superkuh> bluesabre, damn.
[00:36] <superkuh> And indeed you're right. The same types of errors are even reported (at various places) for Fedora, Arch, etc.
[00:37] <superkuh> But given the situation I feel like I must do something. It's an unusable system.
[00:37] <bluesabre> You might want to add a comment to one of the bugs indicating that these issues are still affecting you... there might be some corner cases or race conditions that you're running into
[00:41] <superkuh> That is a good idea.
[00:41] <superkuh> Added a reference to my issues to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1203296 .
[00:45] <bluesabre> thanks superkuh, that should get some eyes on it
[00:52] <xubuntu22w> hello team
[00:54] <xubuntu22w> which bash version should fix CVE-2014-6271?  I have GNU bash, Version 4.3.24(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) but env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo this is a test" brings vulnerable
[01:00] <xubuntu22w> nobody here ?
[01:01] <Unit193> 4.3-7ubuntu1.1 fixed it, and is in security.
[01:02] <xubuntu22w> how can I downgrade from Version 4.3.24(1) ?
[01:03] <xubuntu22w> I'm on 14.10
[01:04] <Unit193> Aha, right, that was the next question.  4.3-9ubuntu2 will fix it for you, and should land soon.
[01:04] <xubuntu22w> ah ok, is not in the repo? ok
[01:05] <Unit193> It's in proposed, hasn't migrated yet (beta freeze, but since it's a security risk it should migrate faster).
[01:06] <xubuntu22w> ok, so it will come in  less hours?  :)
[01:06] <xubuntu22w> or what means fast :)
[01:07] <Unit193> Couldn't say exactly when, don't know.
[01:09] <xubuntu22w> is there a way to fix it intermediate, by using 4.3-7ubuntu1.1 ?
[01:09] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/4.3-9ubuntu2 could download directly, I suppose...
[01:11] <xubuntu22w> does it create an issue ?
[01:12] <Unit193> I'd just wait for it to release the update, and that's what I'm doing.
[01:12] <xubuntu22w> ok, so I will do the same. on the desktop the risk is less in compare to a server?
[01:16] <xubuntu22w> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/amd64/bash/4.3-9ubuntu2 this is the ni bin file as I think ?
[01:18] <xubuntu22w> ok thanks
[01:18] <xubuntu22w> bye
[02:38] <deckard__> hello. I am not hearing new message alerts from Xchat. In Xchats preferences -->'sound' . the 'sound playing method is set to automatic. I am not hearing any of the files when i try to test them with the'play' button.
[02:59] <xubuntu37w> If anyone is here, I would like a bit of help, please
[09:59] <|zer0|> good evening all
[09:59] <|zer0|> trying to do a system update an system is advising that I need more space in /boot
[10:00] <|zer0|> I assue that all system updates download to this folder?
[10:00] <|zer0|> Does the system remove th einstall or are they left there?
[10:07] <cfhowlett> |zer0|, nope.  you need to clear out old kernels.
[10:07] <cfhowlett> sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get clean
[10:13] <xubuntu89w> is xubuntu looking for updates automatic ?
[10:14] <cfhowlett> xubuntu89w, only if you set it up that way.
[10:16] <cfhowlett> xubuntu89w, system > software updater > settings > updates > Automatically check for updates: ???
[10:20] <alket> hi, why doesn't the windows button doesn't stretch 100% http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-sht-25-121957cest.php
[10:22] <knome> alket, you'll need to add an expanding separator after the window buttons item
 trying it out
[10:23] <cfhowlett> |zer0|, OK
 lookin good now  :)
[10:23] <alket> knome, thanks
[10:23] <cfhowlett> |zer0|, /boot    holds your kernels.  if you don't do spring cleaning, it can fill up
 excellent, I will keep that command handy, thanks again
[10:49] <xubuntu89w> cfhowlett: it is set to check for updates daily but still there was 200MB to donload in yesterday and i found them manually.
[12:43] <xubuntu41w> hello there, can i ask a rather simple question?
[12:44] <xubuntu41w> i installed some documentation packages using the software center. any advice where these are stored so i can open them?
[12:44] <xubuntu41w> e.g. matplotlib, mysql documentation etc
[12:45] <brainwash> xubuntu41w: open a terminal window and run "dpkg -L <package>" to list the content of an installed package
[12:48] <xubuntu41w> ohh well, i see. thanks a lot brainwash!
[12:49] <brainwash> :)
[14:29] <tane> Hello
[14:30] <tane> I just installed 14.04 on my machine, and i'm missing the default bottom panel with the internetbrowser etc. Is there any way to restore it, like it was on 12.x and 13.x?
[14:31] <cfhowlett> tane, nope.  just add the panel
[14:31] <tane> so essentially i have to place all buttons by myself?
[14:32] <cfhowlett> tane,  yep
[14:32] <tane> cfhowlett, thank you for that information :)
[14:33] <cfhowlett> tane, happy2help
[14:46] <GridCube> tane, you need an addon, like status-4-evar or The Addon Bar (restored)
[14:47] <tane> ah ok, well, i'll try that when i miss it then, for now i'll try to work with those shortcuts, but thanks!
[14:48] <cfhowlett> tane, for guidance, log into the guest account, note the arrangement of the bottom panel and reproduce in your user account
[14:48] <tane> ok, i just wondered what the motivation behind this change was
[14:49] <GridCube> tane, ask firefox gui designers
[14:49] <GridCube> it was quite a bother when it happened to many of us
[14:50] <GridCube> but you just learn to live with people changing your tools because you don't really know how to code them yourself
[14:51] <tane> yeah.. i used ubuntu because it came out of the box like a system i'd configure manually (so i could get on with my own coding :)
[14:51] <tane> but it still does, so everything seems fine, good job! :)
[15:54] <xubuntu36w> i'm unable to run the update from 13.10 to 14.04. the prompt comes up but when i accept it it does nothing
[15:58] <GridCube> xubuntu36w, try from a terminal and run, sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:59] <xubuntu36w> seems to have worked. thanks
[16:01] <xubuntu36w> and all of my settings and programs inusestay the same right?
[16:01] <xubuntu36w> *in use stay
[16:01] <GridCube> in theory yes
[16:02] <xubuntu36w> how 'bout in practice?
[16:02] <GridCube> you always have to keep backups of your sensitive data before doing any change on your system
[16:02] <deshipu> that we will see
[16:02] <GridCube> we run tests and many of us have done upgrades with no problems, but then again, you never know
[16:02] <GridCube> you are indeed changing whole parts of your system
[16:03] <xubuntu36w> is it wirth it?
[16:03] <GridCube> sure it is
[16:03] <xubuntu36w> *worth
[16:03] <GridCube> you can always log in in the guest account and fix things if something fails for some reason
[16:03] <GridCube> or go to the rescue system and re-run the install xubuntu-desktop
[16:04] <GridCube> sometimes, things fail, and there is no preventing that can avoid it
[16:04] <GridCube> but in general, you should be safe
[16:04] <GridCube> and its a general good idea to keep backups of your sensitive data anyway
[16:05] <xubuntu36w> whats the chance for data loss or total failure
[16:05] <GridCube> not high at all
[16:05] <GridCube> you should be fine
[16:05] <xubuntu36w> just a tad worried
[16:06] <GridCube> but do notice the should, its always better to be ready for when something fails than get a nasty surprise later
[16:06] <GridCube> xubuntu36w, you should be, if you understand what you are doing, but you should also be happy to know that if something fails you can come here and we will try to fix it with you
[16:07] <GridCube> and then again, its not common for something to fail
[16:07] <xubuntu36w> yeah. its just taken me awhile to get everything just right
[16:09] <GridCube> :)
[16:09] <Pici> 70
[16:09] <xubuntu36w> 70 what?
[16:16] <bazhang> window 70
[16:21] <xubuntu21w> hello
[16:21] <xubuntu21w> why is the software updater asking me for other non-root user?
[16:24] <xubuntu21w> anyone?
[16:24] <xubuntu21w> why is the software updater asking me for other non-root user?
[16:25] <xubuntu21w> why is the software updater asking me for other non-root user password?
[16:25] <xubuntu21w> why is the software updater asking me for other non-root user's password?
[16:26] <xubuntu21w> i want to be able to get updates with my user
[16:27] <GridCube> !patience | xubuntu21w
[16:28] <xubuntu21w> already tried
[16:29] <GridCube> you can only do updates using your root password
[16:29] <GridCube> you don't ever need a different password
[16:29] <GridCube> xubuntu21w, there is no user "root" in ubuntu
[16:29] <xubuntu21w> i know
[16:29] <xubuntu21w> i'm not root
[16:29] <xubuntu21w> i have two non-root users
[16:30] <Henry___> Hello. New user here. Set up 5 'sleve' Xubuntu PCs as a render farm forr Blender 3D. Have 6th laptop to run as Master....
[16:30] <xubuntu21w> if i try to install updates with my user, it's ask me for the other non-root user password
[16:30] <Henry___> I can't even figure out how to make my File Sytem drive writable :(
[16:31] <Henry___> all options on File Sys Props are greyed out
[16:33] <Henry___> any clue how to make my drive read/write for ME and for network connected PCs?
[17:51] <xubuntu48w> hi
[17:51] <xubuntu48w> is xubuntu 14.10 beta frozen? there is now update in Firefox
[17:52] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 for that please
[17:52] <xubuntu48w> when will xubuntu 14.10 release?
[17:53] <bazhang> !14.10 | xubuntu48w
[17:53] <bazhang> year/month
[17:53] <xubuntu48w> ahhh, thx. I did not know
[17:54] <xubuntu48w> ok thanks
[19:17] <BlueHelix> hi o/
[19:18] <BlueHelix> anyone got an idea when xubuntu will recive the patch regarding bash ?
[19:20] <knome> BlueHelix, it already did.
[19:20] <BlueHelix> thats nice :) but I didnt recieve any. I still have version 4.3.11(1) after I ran apt-get upgrade
[19:21] <BlueHelix> May be its my apt.source file?
[19:23] <BlueHelix> I run trusty and have "deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty main restricted" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:24] <Unit193> BlueHelix: What's  env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo this is a test"   give you?
[19:25] <brent2> BlueHelix: already patched
[19:25] <BlueHelix> :) guess what :) vulnerable
[19:25] <brent2> it says "vulnerable"?
[19:25] <brent2> http://i.imgur.com/TM87RWb.png
[19:25] <brent2> should look like this
[19:25] <BlueHelix> running ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported shows me No longer downloadable:
[19:25] <BlueHelix> ...bash...
[19:26] <brent2> lol
[19:26] <ObrienDave> whew! that's what i get \o/
[19:26] <BlueHelix> shall I purge bash ?
[19:27] <knome> BlueHelix, no, don't do that.
[19:28] <Unit193> So looks like you manually installed it from another source, thus of course it won't give you the update, it's "older".  apt-get install bash=4.3-7ubuntu1.1
[19:28] <brent2> who needs bash anyway
[19:29] <BlueHelix> E: Version '4.3-7ubuntu1.1' for 'bash' was not found
[19:29] <BlueHelix> its my sources ... my guess
[19:30] <Unit193> ...Is that all you have in sources.list?
[19:31] <BlueHelix> thats it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8427692/
[19:32] <BlueHelix> I do not rememeber installing bash form any other source not building it from source.
[19:33] <Unit193> Well that's a bit odd too.
[19:33] <knome> Unit193, maybe it just didn't propagate to de. yet,.
[19:34] <BlueHelix> whats the main trunk ?
[19:34] <Unit193> knome: That was my thought, or that he didn't apt-get update.  He doesn't have security.ubuntu.com though either.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors seems to say de. is up to date.
[19:34] <BlueHelix> Unit193:he did
[19:35] <BlueHelix> I added "deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty main restricted" by hand but
[19:36] <BlueHelix> apt-get update: Ign http://security.ubuntu.com trusty/main Translation-en_US
[19:36] <Unit193> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty-security main restricted
[19:37] <Unit193> (This is what I have: http://paste.openstack.org/show/bah75f4tsaVB8pDFClrB)
[19:40] <BlueHelix> wow.... 364 to upgrad now.
[19:40] <BlueHelix> including base-files bash
[19:43] <BlueHelix> Unit193: thx
[19:43] <Unit193> Sure.
[19:44] <Unit193> I also don't see trusty-updates in your list.
[20:08] <emerald_> Does anybody happen to know if xubuntu 14.04 LTS has the patched bash version to help with the Shellshock exploit?
[20:08] <ObrienDave> emerald_, i have it patched
[20:08] <Unit193> 4.3-7ubuntu1.1 is the fixed version for trusty.
[20:11] <emerald_> ok I've run 'env X="() { :;} ; echo busted" /bin/sh -c "echo stuff"' and not recieved busted back, so I guess I'm ok?
[20:11] <emerald_> well, relatively ok anyways since I've also read that the patching hasn't fully prevented the bug only helped it not be so easy.
[20:12] <huh> yep, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1141597#c23 <- still not patched
[20:12] <emerald_> Thanks :)
[20:12] <huh> It /probably/ doesn't matter if you delay patching unless you have some sort of web server or open SSH port
[20:13] <huh> but better safe than sorry
[20:13] <emerald_> yeah
[20:13] <emerald_> saw it on facebook, figured I'd investigate, not like I have any information to worry about lol
[20:38] <BlueHelix> oh no. after the upgrade I get:  initctl: Unknown job: systemd-logind
[20:46]  * Setsu Back
[20:47] <knome> Setsu, thanks, but we don't need that information
[20:54] <BlueHelix> can I flash the xubuntu.iso with just "dd" on a usbstick that already got xubuntu on it ?
[20:58] <nomic> don't think so
[20:58] <nomic> unetbootln etc wipes it
[20:58] <nomic> installs bootloader onit
[20:59] <BlueHelix> sure the image does not contain bootloader in it self?
[21:00] <BlueHelix> Its called hybridimage ... ahh I see
[21:01] <Unit193> BlueHelix: Yes, the iso is hybrid.
[21:02] <BlueHelix> Nice ! I love it
[21:10] <xubuntu24w> Sometimes the firefox be a small window, is that a bug ?
[21:11] <xubuntu24w> Is there any site with list of the programs in the softwarecenter online ?
[21:12] <xangua> I just searched software center online
[21:12] <xangua> you should too ;)
[21:17] <xubuntu24w> good idea..
[21:29] <maijin> Hi everyone o/ Is it a good place to make suggestion?
[21:29] <ObrienDave> depends on the suggestion
[21:30] <maijin> Minor, I've just seen that xfburn is installed by default on the distrib
[21:30] <maijin> could be nice to detect if burners is available and then install it no?
[21:31] <ObrienDave> too many different types to detect all
[21:31] <maijin> or just detect cdrom present
[21:32] <xangua> you mean not incluid a burner program¿ and neither incluide bluetooth program and installed if there is, and so on¿
[21:32] <maijin> bluetoot support is ok
[21:32] <ObrienDave> you can always uninstall it
[21:32] <maijin> could be nice
[21:33] <maijin> yes yes but just reporting that I don't have cdrom player and could be nice not to install that by default :)
[21:33] <maijin> if no cd
[21:33] <xangua> you just said is fine
[21:34] <maijin> For bluetooth support it's part of xfce no?
[21:34] <maijin> i mean it's an applet
[21:34] <maijin> right?
[21:34] <xangua> network manager is not 'justn an applet' neither
[21:34] <maijin> mokay
[21:35] <maijin> btw just to report thing :)
[21:35] <ObrienDave> there are literally 10's of THOUSANDS of different hardware combinations. impossible to accout for ALL of them
[21:35] <maijin> yes I know :)
[21:36] <ObrienDave> so, what you propose is impossible to achieve
[21:37] <ObrienDave> maybe not impossible but doing so would make the task 1000's of times more difficult
[21:39] <xubuntu24w> maijin: i have also thinking about the same but it can be one day you connect an external cd dvd player.
[21:39] <maijin> xubuntu24w: You right :p
[21:40] <xubuntu24w> how do you send private messages in here ?
[21:40] <maijin> Btw very efficient distrib, really like it
[21:40] <maijin>  /query maijin
[21:41] <maijin> Thanks all guys for your great work =)
[21:42] <ObrienDave> xubuntu24w, you right click the name and "open dialog window"
[21:42] <ObrienDave> xubuntu24w, which IRC client?
[22:10] <wrongplace> hi
[22:10] <wrongplace> is there a xubuntu touch?
[22:10] <knome> no.
[22:34] <xubuntu19w> hello. i've had to update via the erminal to 14.04. where do i go from here: http://imgur.com/v3UOvXb
[22:38] <knome> xubuntu19w, type exit to return to the installation
[22:38] <xubuntu19w> and from there?
[22:39] <xubuntu19w> oh shit it's gone
[22:39] <knome> please watch the language; this is a family-friendly channel
[22:39] <xubuntu19w> sorry. the terminal is just gone!
[22:41] <xubuntu19w> what do i do
[22:45] <knome> xubuntu19w, what do you mean with the terminal? the terminal emulator window, or something else?
[22:45] <Unit193> What do you mean by 'it's gone'?  Typing 'exit' will "complete" the difference and continue configuring the rest of the packages.
[22:45] <xubuntu19w> yes the window
[22:45] <xubuntu19w> the window seems to have closed
[22:46] <xubuntu19w> on its own
[22:46] <Unit193> Just to make sure, you don't have two workspaces do you?
[22:47] <xubuntu19w> no i have 2. i've checked them both
[22:47] <Unit193> Alright, well it shouldn't have and doesn't generally for me.  Open a terminal and type  sudo dpkg --configure -a
[22:48] <xubuntu19w> dpkg: error: dpkg status database is locked by another process
[22:48] <Unit193> Meaning, yes, dpkg is still running.
[22:48] <xubuntu19w> so, what do i do?
[22:54] <Unit193> Check that it's actually still locked by an active process, before forcefully removing the lock.
[22:56] <xubuntu19w> and i do that how?
[23:09] <Unit193> xubuntu19w: Use `lsof` to find what pid is using the lockfile, then see if you can find any terminal that has it, and if that's really missing, then you may have to kill dpkg.
[23:11] <xubuntu19w> Unit193, i have absolutely no clue what i'm looking at
[23:42] <wrongplace> i cant find daa2iso anywhere. Just installed it from the repo
[23:45] <Unit193> wrongplace: Look a little harder?  `dpkg -L daa2iso | grep bin`, `which daa2iso`, `type daa2iso`, `apt-cache policy daa2iso`
[23:45] <bazhang> !info daa2iso
[23:46] <bazhang> it 's cli , right?
[23:47] <wrongplace> thx Unit193
[23:47] <Unit193> Sure.
[23:47] <Unit193> bazhang: Yeah.
[23:48] <Unit193> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/amd64/daa2iso/filelist