[01:13] sgclark: is it a better idea to just download the newest utopic ISO and do a new install on my test laptop, rather than trying to fix? [01:13] I have an evening home, so I should do one or the other [01:13] might be, not sure how to fix from afar :( [01:14] I should have stayed, I was just so tired and homesick :( sorry [01:14] nice blogposts, by the way [01:14] np [01:14] jetlag sucks! [01:14] thank you, gonna try and do that more, will get better as I write more, been awhile hehe [01:14] I mean, the thing has a broken hinge, so it's only for testing [01:15] I literally couldn't give it away [01:15] I do believe They wanted ISO tested, might be a good chance. [01:16] I'll do that then [01:20] trying kget to do the metalink thing [01:38] hmmm, kubuntu startup disk creator seems to have died [01:39] I have never used it :( [01:39] it worked when trusty was new and shiny [01:40] at linuxfest NW I burned quite a few usos for people [01:40] now installing unnetbootin [01:40] ahh, create a bug? sounds important [01:44] good idea, doing that [01:45] I <3 `ubuntu-bug` [01:51] if unetbootin is successful, I'll report that [02:03] hmmm, maybe it's because the image was over a gig [02:03] bigger drive is working [02:03] fiddlesticks on my hasty bug report [02:04] yeah but shouldn't it give error as size was too big ? rather than crash [02:12] yes, I'll have to change the bug report [02:12] it didn't crash, it just stopped [02:13] ahh, still a message box telling us why would be better than just stopping hehe [02:13] indeed [02:13] so your bug is not wasted! [02:16] * ahoneybun flys in [02:17] hey valorie and sgclark [02:17] woah: gfxboot.c32: not a COM32R image [02:18] so maybe it is flawed [02:19] I'll try it on this box [02:19] hi ahoneybun [02:19] leaving for a bit [02:20] valorie, ok [02:20] valorie, https://libreplanet.org/2015/ [02:21] not a huge fan of the FSF, but that's cool anyway [02:22] yea I'm looking forward to it [02:22] * ahoneybun is a fsf member now [02:25] hmmm, same problem here [02:25] so is it the ISO, or the software? [02:35] hmmm, [02:35] gpg --verify MD5SUMS.gpg MD5SUMS [02:35] gpg: Signature made Mon 22 Sep 2014 04:10:13 PM PDT using DSA key ID FBB75451 [02:35] gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found [02:35] I don't wanna reburn the iso if I can't verify it [02:42] hi ahoneybun [02:43] valorie: looks like you found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1325801 [02:43] Launchpad bug 1325801 in casper (Ubuntu Utopic) "failed to boot from USB disk with error: gfxboot.c32: not a COM32R Image boot:" [Critical,Triaged] [02:44] valorie: should probably just click it affects you [02:47] sure, but I can't verify the image [02:47] I'll try zsync and see if that fixes it [03:18] darn it, still can't verify [03:18] oh well, I'll try unetbootin anyway [03:21] huh, after all that, it changed not one bit [03:21] no network? [03:32] valorie: there was just a release announcement, maybe new ISO? [03:32] * sgclark is off to watch a show before bed [03:41] weird, unetbootin version just keeps counting down: automatically boot in 10, 9, 8 [03:41] and then starting the count over again [03:41] yes, I'll try a diff. ISO maybe [03:55] strange, no success on the beta2 either [03:55] trying dd [03:57] still unable to verify the image [04:09] darn it, dd just makes "operating system not found" [04:09] pfff [04:09] for the beta2 iso [06:55] Good morning. [08:13] hola chicos [08:16] Hei, what do you guys think about Shellshock? [08:17] not our fault! we only do KDE software [08:18] Thats not what I meant :) do you think it's a "bit" problem or something that will fade away fast? [08:18] big* [08:19] it's big until you fix it, fortunately easy to fix with ubuntu flavours [08:21] so what kind of development are you guys doing? [08:22] could be a problem in embedded devices and such, but yeah, not our problem [08:22] SourBlue: have you looked at the links in the /topic ? [08:24] valorie: I did now ^^ [08:28] Is there a "easy" way to help you guys? [08:30] sure, what do you like to do? [08:31] I'd like to help where I can [08:32] nothing particular [08:33] I'm trying to find something on http://www.kubuntu.org/community/contribute but thats not really helpful [08:36] the trello has the todos [08:37] but we can use everything from webops and sysadmin to packaging, documentation, testing, bug fixing, etc. [08:37] everyone leans towards something..... [08:40] I recently learned how to make a package and testing sounds fun, I don't know if I'm ready to do something like bug fixing etc. that sounds pretty difficult [08:45] from earlier: "!testers | beta 2 candidates, I especially need installs of amd64 plasma4 tested as it doesn't work for me http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/324/builds" [08:46] I was trying to do that, but my test machine + various problems which took all evening have prevented me from doing so [08:47] Full installs or something like live systems? [08:47] What about VM's? [08:48] we had failures in VMs, but success on real systems [08:48] SourBlue: stick around here is the best way to get involved :) [08:48] so an actual install would be useful [08:48] if you have space on an HD [08:48] SourBlue: we can add you to the !testers call if you are likely to be able to stick around on irc [08:49] That would be nice [08:49] You mean Utopic Beta 2 right? [08:50] Tm_T: please add SourBlue to !testers for this channel [08:50] yes [08:51] So valorie are you something like a kubuntu developer or just a "normal user" [08:52] she's the most elite one here! [08:53] welcome along SourBlue :) [08:53] Thank you :) [08:53] SourBlue: would you like a little task? [08:54] Yeah sure [08:55] * valorie is not a coder, but I do consider myself a community developer [08:55] SourBlue: our plasma 5 live images don't let you boot into the desktop because sddm wants to start on vt1 but ubiquity starts on vt7 [08:56] we need a config file added to kubuntu-settings to start it on vt7 [08:57] example https://github.com/manjaro/packages-plasma/blob/master/sddm-qt5/sddm.conf [08:57] but needs only that MinimumVT=7 value [08:58] okay i guess there already is a config file that i need to change? [09:00] no we don't ship one at all [09:01] oh okay now it get's interesting.. Is there a standard for that file so the system knows there is one? [09:02] it's just the file that sddm (the new login manager) will look for, /etc/sddm.conf [09:02] but we do set it in ubiquity if you click the autologin box scripts/casper-bottom/15autologin [09:02] good morning [09:02] (that's in casper the live image system, apt-get source casper to see it) [09:02] so it needs to work with that somehow [09:05] okay just to be sure "Kubuntu Plasma 5 Desktop amd64 (ready)" as a Live system not installed right? [09:05] yep [09:06] you can see the problem if you boot it up and click "try kubuntu" it will just send you back to the first screen rather than start the desktop [09:08] Hmm let's see what i can do ^^ gonna make some coffee first [09:41] there was come upgrade to cli lately? now when unpacking packages etc we have progress bar and other fancy colors :) [09:44] that was at least a month ago! [09:44] makes the cli more fun === vinay is now known as Guest59681 [09:53] Hiyas all [10:02] oh didnt notice that :D [10:06] SourBlue: so I think we want to ship an sddm.conf with blank values for autologin [10:06] then in casper edit scripts/casper-bottom/15autologin to just do a sed on autologin [10:07] and same in user-setup user-setup-apply (which is used by ubiquity if you tick auto login) [10:13] so when is the security patch or bash shell going to be available for 14.10? I asked in ubuntu+1 and received a url with the patch which I configured, compiled and installed , but the vulnerability check shows the patch doesn't seem to work on my system [10:15] bash 4.3-9ubuntu3 is in utopic-proposed, I guess it'll transition in an hour or so [10:16] Riddell, proposed main or universe ? [10:18] main tries to take out kubuntu-desktop [10:20] take out? [10:21] I expect bash is in main [10:22] yes Riddell remove [10:25] well that's a bigger problem than some bash issue [10:28] thed bash issue seems serious ...it's big news over here [10:28] They gave it the highest possible threat rating didn't they? [10:29] warnings on several newsnetworks about it affecting mac and linux systems and aand any devices running linux like routers etc [10:30] debfx: we've a merge of cmake in unapproved (ubuntu being frozen now), do you know who did the merge and if there's a reason we want it? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/185579009/cmake_2.8.12.2-0ubuntu5_2.8.12.2-2ubuntu1.diff.gz [10:30] BluesKaj: yes, best update all your devices [10:32] Apple said they will fix it "soon" [10:32] well that makes me reassured :) [10:33] Hmm but maybe it's not that bad if some people take a closer look at bash there could be much more stuff like that [10:34] * lordievader wonders if IOS and Android is vunerable too... [10:34] I see our bash package is now not transitioning because chromium has a test which fails [10:34] Pretty good explanation: http://www.troyhunt.com/2014/09/everything-you-need-to-know-about.html [10:35] I doubt ios or android phones use bash [10:35] but lots of routers probably do [10:35] Android is using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almquist_shell [10:35] I have no idea. But since they are both unix based it might just be. [10:36] and most routers will be running something like busybox [10:36] yeah [10:38] Okay I see what you mean, short black screen and were back on the first screen but how can i place the config file? [10:38] don't i need to make a new iso for that? [10:39] it needs added to the kubuntu-settings package [10:39] and user-setup and casper packages altered too [10:39] then we upload them and wait for a new iso to be built [10:40] So I can't test if it works? [10:40] no, it has evaded our testing [10:41] I tried it in a virtualbox by manually stopping and starting sddm [10:41] but then it has worked that way without setting minimumvt so who can tell [10:41] How could you restart sddm? [10:42] at a linux terminal (right control F1 in virtualbox, ctrl-alt-f1 on real hardware) sudo stop sddm [10:42] or sudo service sddm stop I think is the same thing (all upstart commands) [10:43] oh also sudo stop ubiquity [10:43] make sure X is killed [10:43] then sudo start sddm [10:44] Okay i stopped ubiquity and sddm then Plasma 5 instantly loaded === greyback__ is now known as greyback [10:53] Is there a way to add the german key layout? [10:55] um, you can set it in ubiquity and in system settings [10:56] There only is a German/Swiss option but stuff like "!" isn't working with that [11:00] um, where are you looking? [11:00] That was on the running system if you search for keyboard [11:08] Riddell: bug #1357270 doesn't mention any specific reason [11:08] bug 1357270 in cmake (Ubuntu) "Merge cmake 2.8.12.2-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1357270 [11:09] "Search for Python 3.4 in FindPython{Interp,Libs}." is useful, the other changes not so much [11:10] Is there a way to get out of the Terminal again to see if it works? [11:12] SourBlue: switch to vt 7? (right control F7 in virtualbox, ctl-alt-f7 in hardware) [11:12] debfx: ok I'll leave it for some other archive admin to decide [11:12] perfect [11:15] libkworkspace5: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libkworkspace5-5 [11:15] :'< [11:16] ? [11:16] 0x000000000000000e (SONAME) Library soname: [libkworkspace.so.5] [11:16] bash (4.3-9ubuntu3) utopic installed, but check still shows vulnerable...guess it's going to be a while this bash vulnerability is straightened out [11:19] Riddell: 0x000000000000000e (SONAME) Library soname: [libkworkspace5.so.5] [11:19] maybe thats only in master [11:20] maybe, I'm still on 5.0.1 [11:20] reckon I did a crappy install update [11:21] I suspect someone changed it to be co-installable with kde4 version, despite it not being intended for that [11:21] did I mention that the plasma-workspace-dev package doesn't pull in the relevant libs ^^ [11:22] oh no [11:22] there is allLibraries [11:22] * apachelogger still doesn't know what it means [11:23] Hmm thats a bit strange, if I resrat the x-server (startx) it works without changing anything Is there a way to restart sddm so it loads the changed config? [11:24] something like sudo service sddm restart (or stop and start) isn't really working [11:29] SourBlue: as you are discovering this stuff is quite fragile and recreating exactly the environment from a first boot of a live image is surprisingly difficult [11:30] sudo stop sddm; sudo stop ubiquity; sudo killall X may do it [11:30] check if anything else X is running using ps -ef [11:30] then sudo start sddm [11:30] and hopefully upstart will detect that ubiquity should run before sddm [11:31] I don't know if thats normal but a "sudo halt" isn't working in a VM [11:33] do you know where i can view the error messages the system prints while booting? [11:34] /var/log/syslog and /var/log/upstart/* I think [11:34] also /var/log/installer/* and /var/log/sddm.log [11:37] * Riddell publishes http://www.kubuntu.org/news/1410-beta-2 [11:39] okay so the problam is if i stop sddm the terminal freezes until i do strg+C and starting sddm auto loads kde again [11:40] maybe you're beginning to see my point that this is weirdly difficult to test :) [11:40] oh yes i do [11:40] I really think we should just upload the file and let a new image be built to test that [11:41] Isn't there a way to open iso files to change them (add the file) and rebuild the iso [11:41] I know iso is a "read only" fomat [11:41] format [11:41] yes, following this would help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization [11:41] hmm i wonder [11:42] i have my sister laptop here to fix windows, i think ill install kubuntu next to win but 14.04 or 14.10 + plasma next ... this is the question :) [11:45] Okay that error seems strange: [ 16.946718] system-logid[1355]: Failed to start unit user@999.servide: Unknown unit: user@999.service=0xaddr in the sddm.config the MinimumUid is set to 999 [11:45] could that mean something? [11:45] soee: I would recommend 14.04 [11:46] soee: that runs stable [11:47] SourBlue: yah but also 14.10 with plasma5 works pretty stable for me :) [11:47] It does? [11:48] why not ? [11:48] by the way the Quit button also isn't working for mw [11:49] soee: I don't know how far "we" are with 14.10 what I'm testing right now isn't workig at all ^^ [11:49] cant be ;D === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [11:50] yuo are trying to run sddm > [11:50] ? [11:51] I want sddm to load it's config again (I change it while the system is running) [11:52] because the live system isn't loading at all [11:52] ah no idea than, im not using sddm as it never worked for me [11:52] Jup [11:52] Maybe i really change the iso file that should work === kbroulik is now known as kbroulik-lunch [12:02] hi ahoneybun [12:02] apachelogger: will there be a neon5 image today? [12:03] Riddell: no [12:03] unless someone wants to do the testing that is [12:03] hmm, david has requested it, maybe he could do the testing [12:04] I'd rather have testing done against the kubuntu-ci iso [12:04] of which there might just be one today [12:05] ooh [12:31] KF5 compiling away in utopic [12:31] 4.14.1 compiling away too in utopic [12:32] Plasma 5.0.2 needs to wait for KF5 to be done before being copied over to next ppa [12:34] how are things in 14.10 land. is it usable already? KF5/project-neon ready for 14.10? [12:34] Riddell: spread some words about beta2 on social networks [12:34] * kfunk may want to upgrade [12:37] kfunk: 14.10 working well for me, including Plasma 5 packages, bugs I know about at http://goo.gl/B527rj [12:38] neon is being replaced by apachelogger [12:42] "replaced"? means that we'll have "proper" packages in 14.10? [12:43] kfunk: KF5 will be in the archive, Plasma in a PPA, for latest git apachelogger is working on continuous integration kubuntu-ci mixing the two [12:43] ic, cool [12:44] apachelogger: so how should I branch pkg-kde-tools in debian git? [12:48] Riddell: master (debian) -> kubuntu/utopic/archive [12:48] since no one seems to have opinions on branches [12:48] apachelogger: why "archive"? [12:48] we trust your judgement on the matter [12:48] Riddell: in case one wants to have a different version in a ppa later [12:49] you cannot have a ref kubuntu/utopic and then later add kubuntu/utopic/foo [12:50] you can't for technical reasons? [12:53] seems a curious limiitation of git? [12:54] error: unable to resolve reference refs/heads/kubuntu/utopic/foo: Not a directory [12:54] but indeed it is a git limitation [12:55] who'd have thought git would be limited? [12:55] it's beacuse the basename of a ref is always a file referencing the ref of the 'thing' in question [12:56] so with kubuntu/utopic and kubuntu/utopic/ppa kubuntu/utopic would have to be a directory and a file at the same time [12:56] it's really very consistent [12:56] it's like if you had a directory and then moved another directory into it, so what would that mean in terms of git? the two trees muched together? [13:06] apachelogger: una problema, branches with '/' in the name are forbidden [13:06] http://paste.kde.org/pq489bg9b [13:07] can i create aliases/shortcuts to some ssh connections like: if no using: ssh xfoo@foo.bar.baz.com just call: ssh xfoo and it will execute full url? [13:07] *now using [13:07] Riddell: how very rude [13:08] Riddell: _ instead of / then I guess [13:08] soee: well, you can make bash aliases for any command (I have aliases for my common ssh connections) [13:08] actually [13:08] you can configure ssh to do it [13:08] which is much better [13:08] e.g. you can also use sftp:// in dolphin with the aliases [13:08] where do i do that ? [13:09] .ssh/config -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8432795/ [13:09] as name you can define anything [13:09] soee: my ~/.bashrc has e.g. alias planet="ssh planetadmin@planetkde.org" [13:09] Riddell: you'll also want to look into .ssh/config :P [13:12] thanks [13:12] apachelogger: git url aliases seem to be doing quite nicely for git use [13:13] yeah, I am talking about ssh though :P === kbroulik-lunch is now known as kbroulik === toscalix_ is now known as toscalix === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [13:32] mh [13:32] Riddell, sgclark: I feel like I should point out that 5.1 packaging should be derived from the unstable branches ;) [13:32] apachelogger: actually I was going to ask about that [13:33] unfortunate timing with the beta there [13:33] or we delay beta packaging until next week [13:33] then I can import unstable into git and then we simply branch the packaging from the imported unstable [13:34] I am ok with waiting, could use a break [13:38] sgclark: getting burnt out by calligra? [13:38] I did say it was a beast! [13:39] apachelogger: I don't understand, what's unfortunate about timing? [13:39] 3 miles of lintain errors. pretty sure most are false positives though.. [13:40] but really just tired from being sick most of the week [13:40] oh yes calligra has loads of those, don't worry too much about them, we're frozen now so unless it's a known bug best not to alter [13:41] Riddell: because half the packaging is in git and the half that would be relevant for 5.1beta is in bzr [13:41] ok great, then it is done. OFf to the l10n [13:41] and yeah, a godzilla of lintina warnings [13:41] lol [13:41] apachelogger: plasma is all in git now [13:42] oh? [13:43] I guess I better learn the process... [13:43] http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/?q=pkg-kde%2Fplasma 13 mins old [13:43] can't learn a process which doesn't exist yet, we're pioneers! [13:43] so hmm, I am guessing all of our scripts are useless [13:44] lol [13:44] they'll needs lots of changes I'm sure [13:44] Riddell: unstable is not [13:44] and unstable is what one wants to base 5.1 packaging on [13:44] well I can work on it today/tonight, but I will be taking the weekend off :) much needed R&R [13:45] apachelogger: you have unstable branches? [13:45] yes? [13:45] do you even read my mails to the list -.- [13:45] right, unstable needs to be merged? [13:45] yeah Riddell: even I know that! [13:46] apachelogger: I know you plan to but I don't know where they are just now? [13:46] Riddell: that's what ci is based on [13:47] apachelogger: mm hmm, but where are they hiding? [13:47] https://code.launchpad.net/kubuntu-packaging-unstable [13:48] aah [13:48] apachelogger: so will you import those into debian git, or are you wanting me to? [13:49] Riddell: I will, but only next week [13:49] hence why I said either we'll have to wait with the beta or whoever wants to do the beta needs to import things into git [13:49] for the most part I think it would simply be take whatever is unstable and throw it at git master, then write a changelog for it [13:50] Riddell: also I suppose our tooling needs the necessary adjustments for git first anyway [13:50] that initial-upload script thing [13:50] yep [13:51] I'm in no rush for plasma 5 beta while we still have 4.14.1 and KF5 5.2 and plasma 5.0.2 to go through the system [13:51] yeah, so lets wait :) [13:52] because knowing me, with unfinished tasks I would end up working the weekend, and I really don;t wanna [13:58] wrr any idea why on my local machine i have not colors in temrinal when listing files etc ? [14:00] I think you have to turn that on in bashrc? [14:01] soee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8433045/ is in my bashrc and I have spiffy colors [14:02] sgclark: i had to create .bashrc file when created aliases [14:02] i also founbd some sample https://gist.github.com/marioBonales/1637696 [14:02] ohyes ;) got fancy colors [14:02] /etc/skel/ has the default rc [14:02] actually [14:02] soee: is that a completely new user? [14:03] apachelogger: eee my account was created liek 3 months ago when installing 14.10 + plasma next [14:03] ok one more thinf i need in my bashrc is to sorting files [14:03] dirs first than files [14:04] might have been a bug back then [14:04] hmm, SourBlue disappeared, I hope s/he comes back [14:04] * apachelogger wonders if it is still there, not having skel copied sounds like a bad thing [14:05] yeah thers .bashrc in /etc/skel/ [14:06] o h is also suggest to use .bash_aliases [14:06] as it checks for such file existance [14:13] alias ls='ls --color=auto --group-directories-first' [14:13] :) [14:14] one more thing i need to have dotfiles fefore normal [14:20] seems to work: alias ls='LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 ls --color=auto --group-directories-first' [14:27] hmm arm64 being slow today [14:35] whats new about that [14:36] armhf being faster? [15:20] * Riddell does the I fixed kdesu to work with sudo dance [15:20] now there's a dance I've not needed for the last decade [15:20] Riddell: calligra is in my ppa [15:21] ooh ooh! [15:21] sgclark: and in bzr? [15:21] no , will do that now [15:31] Riddell: pushed [15:55] sgclark: xbase64.diff doesn't apply for me, did you commit the updated version? [15:57] sgclark: looks like you missed it from your commit, I got it from your PPA [16:01] hmm weird [16:02] oh I see what happened, will commit [16:02] sgclark: I did already [16:02] ok thank you [16:04] Riddell: there were two I had to fix, get them both? [16:04] sgclark: yeah [16:04] super [16:04] sgclark: calligra and calligra-l10n uploaded! [16:04] thanks! [16:04] you may now relax on a sunny weekend :) [16:05] yay! [16:10] hi amichair [16:11] * Riddell wanders off === soee_ is now known as soee === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [21:40] this is cool: http://ocert.org/team_and_members.html [21:40] I wish we were there, in one way or another [21:52] KDE is part of it,doesn'tmakesenseto dothis on the distro level [21:53] gosh, my space key is stuck... [21:58] Mamarok: I was thinking that Ubuntu should be part of it [21:58] yes, I'm really happy that KDE is part of it [21:58] (catty aside: GNOME isn't)