[01:13] <valorie> sgclark: is it a better idea to just download the newest utopic ISO and do a new install on my test laptop, rather than trying to fix?
[01:13] <valorie> I have an evening home, so I should do one or the other
[01:13] <sgclark> might be, not sure how to fix from afar :(
[01:14] <sgclark> I should have stayed, I was just so tired and homesick :( sorry
[01:14] <valorie> nice blogposts, by the way
[01:14] <valorie> np
[01:14] <valorie> jetlag sucks!
[01:14] <sgclark> thank you, gonna try and do that more, will get better as I write more, been awhile hehe
[01:14] <valorie> I mean, the thing has a broken hinge, so it's only for testing
[01:15] <valorie> I literally couldn't give it away
[01:15] <sgclark> I do believe They wanted ISO tested, might be a good chance.
[01:16] <valorie> I'll do that then
[01:20] <valorie> trying kget to do the metalink thing
[01:38] <valorie> hmmm, kubuntu startup disk creator seems to have died
[01:39] <sgclark> I have never used it :(
[01:39] <valorie> it worked when trusty was new and shiny
[01:40] <valorie> at linuxfest NW I burned quite a few usos for people
[01:40] <valorie> now installing unnetbootin
[01:40] <sgclark> ahh, create a bug? sounds important
[01:44] <valorie> good idea, doing that
[01:45] <valorie> I <3 `ubuntu-bug`
[01:51] <valorie> if unetbootin is successful, I'll report that
[02:03] <valorie> hmmm, maybe it's because the image was over a gig
[02:03] <valorie> bigger drive is working
[02:03] <valorie> fiddlesticks on my hasty bug report
[02:04] <sgclark> yeah but shouldn't it give error as size was too big ? rather than crash
[02:12] <valorie> yes, I'll have to change the bug report
[02:12] <valorie> it didn't crash, it just stopped
[02:13] <sgclark> ahh, still a message box telling us why would be better than just stopping hehe
[02:13] <valorie> indeed
[02:13] <sgclark> so your bug is not wasted!
[02:16]  * ahoneybun flys in
[02:17] <ahoneybun> hey valorie and sgclark 
[02:17] <valorie> woah: gfxboot.c32: not a COM32R image
[02:18] <valorie> so maybe it is flawed
[02:19] <valorie> I'll try it on this box
[02:19] <valorie> hi ahoneybun
[02:19] <valorie> leaving for a bit
[02:20] <ahoneybun> valorie, ok 
[02:20] <ahoneybun> valorie, https://libreplanet.org/2015/
[02:21] <valorie> not a huge fan of the FSF, but that's cool anyway
[02:22] <ahoneybun> yea I'm looking forward to it
[02:22]  * ahoneybun is a fsf member now
[02:25] <valorie> hmmm, same problem here
[02:25] <valorie> so is it the ISO, or the software?
[02:35] <valorie> hmmm, 
[02:35] <valorie> gpg --verify MD5SUMS.gpg MD5SUMS
[02:35] <valorie> gpg: Signature made Mon 22 Sep 2014 04:10:13 PM PDT using DSA key ID FBB75451
[02:35] <valorie> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
[02:35] <valorie> I don't wanna reburn the iso if I can't verify it
[02:42] <sgclark> hi ahoneybun
[02:43] <sgclark> valorie: looks like you found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1325801
[02:44] <sgclark> valorie: should probably just click it affects you
[02:47] <valorie> sure, but I can't verify the image
[02:47] <valorie> I'll try zsync and see if that fixes it
[03:18] <valorie> darn it, still can't verify
[03:18] <valorie> oh well, I'll try unetbootin anyway
[03:21] <valorie> huh, after all that, it changed not one bit
[03:21] <sgclark> no network?
[03:32] <sgclark> valorie: there was just a release announcement, maybe new ISO?
[03:32]  * sgclark is off to watch a show before bed
[03:41] <valorie> weird, unetbootin version just keeps counting down: automatically boot in 10, 9, 8
[03:41] <valorie> and then starting the count over again
[03:41] <valorie> yes, I'll try a diff. ISO maybe
[03:55] <valorie> strange, no success on the beta2 either
[03:55] <valorie> trying dd
[03:57] <valorie> still unable to verify the image
[04:09] <valorie> darn it, dd just makes "operating system not found"
[04:09] <valorie> pfff
[04:09] <valorie> for the beta2 iso
[06:55] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:13] <Riddell> hola chicos
[08:16] <SourBlue> Hei, what do you guys think about Shellshock?
[08:17] <Riddell> not our fault! we only do KDE software
[08:18] <SourBlue> Thats not what I meant :) do you think it's a "bit" problem or something that will fade away fast?
[08:18] <SourBlue> big*
[08:19] <Riddell> it's big until you fix it, fortunately easy to fix with ubuntu flavours
[08:21] <SourBlue> so what kind of development are you guys doing?
[08:22] <valorie> could be a problem in embedded devices and such, but yeah, not our problem
[08:22] <valorie> SourBlue: have you looked at the links in the /topic ?
[08:24] <SourBlue> valorie: I did now ^^
[08:28] <SourBlue> Is there a "easy" way to help you guys?
[08:30] <valorie> sure, what do you like to do?
[08:31] <SourBlue> I'd like to help where I can
[08:32] <SourBlue> nothing particular
[08:33] <SourBlue> I'm trying to find something on http://www.kubuntu.org/community/contribute but thats not really helpful
[08:36] <valorie> the trello has the todos
[08:37] <valorie> but we can use everything from webops and sysadmin to packaging, documentation, testing, bug fixing, etc.
[08:37] <valorie> everyone leans towards something.....
[08:40] <SourBlue> I recently learned how to make a package and testing sounds fun, I don't know if I'm ready to do something like bug fixing etc. that sounds pretty difficult
[08:45] <valorie> from earlier: "!testers | beta 2 candidates, I especially need installs of amd64 plasma4 tested as it doesn't work for me http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/324/builds"
[08:46] <valorie> I was trying to do that, but my test machine + various problems which took all evening have prevented me from doing so
[08:47] <SourBlue> Full installs or something like live systems?
[08:47] <SourBlue> What about VM's? 
[08:48] <valorie> we had failures in VMs, but success on real systems
[08:48] <Riddell> SourBlue: stick around here is the best way to get involved :)
[08:48] <valorie> so an actual install would be useful
[08:48] <valorie> if you have space on an HD
[08:48] <Riddell> SourBlue: we can add you to the !testers call if you are likely to be able to stick around on irc
[08:49] <SourBlue> That would be nice 
[08:49] <SourBlue> You mean Utopic Beta 2 right?
[08:50] <Riddell> Tm_T: please add SourBlue to !testers for this channel
[08:50] <valorie> yes
[08:51] <SourBlue> So valorie are you something like a kubuntu developer or just a "normal user"
[08:52] <Riddell> she's the most elite one here!
[08:53] <Riddell> welcome along SourBlue :)
[08:53] <SourBlue> Thank you :)
[08:53] <Riddell> SourBlue: would you like a little task?
[08:54] <SourBlue> Yeah sure
[08:55]  * valorie is not a coder, but I do consider myself a community developer
[08:55] <Riddell> SourBlue: our plasma 5 live images don't let you boot into the desktop because sddm wants to start on vt1 but ubiquity starts on vt7
[08:56] <Riddell> we need a config file added to kubuntu-settings to start it on vt7
[08:57] <Riddell> example https://github.com/manjaro/packages-plasma/blob/master/sddm-qt5/sddm.conf
[08:57] <Riddell> but needs only that MinimumVT=7 value
[08:58] <SourBlue> okay i guess there already is a config file that i need to change?
[09:00] <Riddell> no we don't ship one at all
[09:01] <SourBlue> oh okay now it get's interesting.. Is there a standard for that file so the system knows there is one?
[09:02] <Riddell> it's just the file that sddm (the new login manager) will look for, /etc/sddm.conf
[09:02] <Riddell> but we do set it in ubiquity if you click the autologin box scripts/casper-bottom/15autologin
[09:02] <soee> good morning
[09:02] <Riddell> (that's in casper the live image system, apt-get source casper to see it)
[09:02] <Riddell> so it needs to work with that somehow
[09:05] <SourBlue> okay just to be sure "Kubuntu Plasma 5 Desktop amd64 (ready)" as a Live system not installed right?
[09:05] <Riddell> yep
[09:06] <Riddell> you can see the problem if you boot it up and click "try kubuntu" it will just send you back to the first screen rather than start the desktop
[09:08] <SourBlue> Hmm let's see what i can do ^^ gonna make some coffee first
[09:41] <soee> there was come upgrade to cli lately? now when unpacking packages etc we have progress bar and other fancy colors :)
[09:44] <valorie> that was at least a month ago!
[09:44] <valorie> makes the cli more fun
[09:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:02] <soee> oh didnt notice that :D
[10:06] <Riddell> SourBlue: so I think we want to ship an sddm.conf with blank values for autologin
[10:06] <Riddell> then in casper edit scripts/casper-bottom/15autologin to just do a sed on autologin
[10:07] <Riddell> and same in user-setup user-setup-apply  (which is used by ubiquity if you tick auto login)
[10:13] <BluesKaj> so when is the security patch or bash shell going to be available for 14.10? I asked in ubuntu+1 and received a url with the patch which I configured, compiled and installed , but the vulnerability check shows the patch doesn't seem to work on my system
[10:15] <Riddell> bash 4.3-9ubuntu3  is in utopic-proposed, I guess it'll transition in an hour or so
[10:16] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  proposed main or universe ?
[10:18] <BluesKaj> main tries to take out kubuntu-desktop
[10:20] <Riddell> take out?
[10:21] <Riddell> I expect bash is in main
[10:22] <BluesKaj> yes Riddell remove 
[10:25] <Riddell> well that's a bigger problem than some bash issue
[10:28] <BluesKaj> thed bash issue seems serious ...it's big news over here 
[10:28] <SourBlue> They gave it the highest possible threat rating didn't they?
[10:29] <BluesKaj> warnings on several newsnetworks about it affecting mac and linux systems and aand any devices running linux  like routers etc
[10:30] <Riddell> debfx: we've a merge of cmake in unapproved (ubuntu being frozen now), do you know who did the merge and if there's a reason we want it? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/185579009/cmake_2.8.12.2-0ubuntu5_2.8.12.2-2ubuntu1.diff.gz
[10:30] <Riddell> BluesKaj: yes, best update all your devices
[10:32] <SourBlue> Apple said they will fix it "soon"
[10:32] <Riddell> well that makes me reassured :)
[10:33] <SourBlue> Hmm but maybe it's not that bad if some people take a closer look at bash there could be much more stuff like that
[10:34]  * lordievader wonders if IOS and Android is vunerable too...
[10:34] <Riddell> I see our bash package is now not transitioning because chromium has a test which fails
[10:34] <SourBlue> Pretty good explanation: http://www.troyhunt.com/2014/09/everything-you-need-to-know-about.html
[10:35] <Riddell> I doubt ios or android phones use bash
[10:35] <Riddell> but lots of routers probably do
[10:35] <SourBlue> Android is using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almquist_shell
[10:35] <lordievader> I have no idea. But since they are both unix based it might just be.
[10:36] <SourBlue> and most routers will be running something like busybox
[10:36] <Riddell> yeah
[10:38] <SourBlue> Okay I see what you mean, short black screen and were back on the first screen but how can i place the config file?
[10:38] <SourBlue> don't i need to make a new iso for that?
[10:39] <Riddell> it needs added to the kubuntu-settings package
[10:39] <Riddell> and user-setup and casper packages altered too
[10:39] <Riddell> then we upload them and wait for a new iso to be built
[10:40] <SourBlue> So I can't test if it works?
[10:40] <Riddell> no, it has evaded our testing
[10:41] <Riddell> I tried it in a virtualbox by manually stopping and starting sddm
[10:41] <Riddell> but then it has worked that way without setting minimumvt so who can tell
[10:41] <SourBlue> How could you restart sddm?
[10:42] <Riddell> at a linux terminal (right control F1 in virtualbox, ctrl-alt-f1 on real hardware)  sudo stop sddm
[10:42] <Riddell> or  sudo service sddm stop  I think is the same thing (all upstart commands)
[10:43] <Riddell> oh also   sudo stop ubiquity
[10:43] <Riddell> make sure X is killed
[10:43] <Riddell> then  sudo start sddm
[10:44] <SourBlue> Okay i stopped ubiquity and sddm then Plasma 5 instantly loaded
[10:53] <SourBlue> Is there a way to add the german key layout?
[10:55] <Riddell> um, you can set it in ubiquity and in system settings
[10:56] <SourBlue> There only is a German/Swiss option but stuff like "!" isn't working with that
[11:00] <Riddell> um, where are you looking?
[11:00] <SourBlue> That was on the running system if you search for keyboard
[11:08] <debfx> Riddell: bug #1357270 doesn't mention any specific reason
[11:09] <debfx> "Search for Python 3.4 in FindPython{Interp,Libs}." is useful, the other changes not so much
[11:10] <SourBlue> Is there a way to get out of the Terminal again to see if it works?
[11:12] <Riddell> SourBlue: switch to vt 7? (right control F7 in virtualbox, ctl-alt-f7 in hardware)
[11:12] <Riddell> debfx: ok I'll leave it for some other archive admin to decide
[11:12] <SourBlue> perfect
[11:15] <apachelogger> libkworkspace5: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libkworkspace5-5
[11:15] <apachelogger> :'<
[11:16] <Riddell> ?
[11:16] <Riddell>  0x000000000000000e (SONAME)             Library soname: [libkworkspace.so.5]
[11:16] <BluesKaj> bash (4.3-9ubuntu3) utopic installed, but check still shows vulnerable...guess it's going to be a while this bash vulnerability is straightened out
[11:19] <apachelogger> Riddell:  0x000000000000000e (SONAME)             Library soname: [libkworkspace5.so.5]
[11:19] <apachelogger> maybe thats only in master
[11:20] <Riddell> maybe, I'm still on 5.0.1
[11:20] <apachelogger> reckon I did a crappy install update
[11:21] <Riddell> I suspect someone changed it to be co-installable with kde4 version, despite it not being intended for that
[11:21] <apachelogger> did I mention that the plasma-workspace-dev package doesn't pull in the relevant libs ^^
[11:22] <apachelogger> oh no
[11:22] <apachelogger> there is allLibraries
[11:22]  * apachelogger still doesn't know what it means
[11:23] <SourBlue> Hmm thats a bit strange, if I resrat the x-server (startx) it works without changing anything Is there a way to restart sddm so it loads the changed config?
[11:24] <SourBlue> something like sudo service sddm restart (or stop and start) isn't really working
[11:29] <Riddell> SourBlue: as you are discovering this stuff is quite fragile and recreating exactly the environment from a first boot of a live image is surprisingly difficult
[11:30] <Riddell> sudo stop sddm; sudo stop ubiquity; sudo killall X  may do it
[11:30] <Riddell> check if anything else X is running using ps -ef
[11:30] <Riddell> then  sudo start sddm
[11:30] <Riddell> and hopefully upstart will detect that ubiquity should run before sddm
[11:31] <SourBlue> I don't know if thats normal but a "sudo halt" isn't working in a VM
[11:33] <SourBlue> do you know where i can view the error messages the system prints while booting?
[11:34] <Riddell>  /var/log/syslog and /var/log/upstart/* I think
[11:34] <Riddell> also /var/log/installer/* and /var/log/sddm.log
[11:37]  * Riddell publishes http://www.kubuntu.org/news/1410-beta-2
[11:39] <SourBlue> okay so the problam is if i stop sddm the terminal freezes until i do strg+C and starting sddm auto loads kde again
[11:40] <Riddell> maybe you're beginning to see my point that this is weirdly difficult to test :)
[11:40] <SourBlue> oh yes i do
[11:40] <Riddell> I really think we should just upload the file and let a new image be built to test that
[11:41] <SourBlue> Isn't there a way to open iso files to change them (add the file) and rebuild the iso
[11:41] <SourBlue> I know iso is a "read only" fomat
[11:41] <SourBlue> format
[11:41] <Riddell> yes, following this would help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[11:41] <soee> hmm i wonder
[11:42] <soee> i have my sister laptop here to fix windows, i think ill install kubuntu next to win but 14.04 or 14.10 + plasma next ... this is the question :)
[11:45] <SourBlue> Okay that error seems strange: [   16.946718] system-logid[1355]: Failed to start unit user@999.servide: Unknown unit: user@999.service=0xaddr in the sddm.config the MinimumUid is set to 999
[11:45] <SourBlue> could that mean something?
[11:45] <SourBlue> soee: I would recommend 14.04 
[11:46] <SourBlue> soee: that runs stable
[11:47] <soee> SourBlue: yah but also 14.10 with plasma5 works pretty stable for me :)
[11:47] <SourBlue> It does?
[11:48] <soee> why not ?
[11:48] <SourBlue> by the way the Quit button also isn't working for mw
[11:49] <SourBlue> soee: I don't know how far "we" are with 14.10 what I'm testing right now isn't workig at all ^^
[11:49] <soee> cant be ;D
[11:50] <soee> yuo are trying to run sddm >
[11:50] <soee> ?
[11:51] <SourBlue> I want sddm to load it's config again (I change it while the system is running)
[11:52] <SourBlue> because the live system isn't loading at all
[11:52] <soee> ah no idea than, im not using sddm as it never worked for me
[11:52] <SourBlue> Jup
[11:52] <SourBlue> Maybe i really change the iso file that should work
[12:02] <Riddell> hi ahoneybun 
[12:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: will there be a neon5 image today?
[12:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: no
[12:03] <apachelogger> unless someone wants to do the testing that is
[12:03] <Riddell> hmm, david has requested it, maybe he could do the testing
[12:04] <apachelogger> I'd rather have testing done against the kubuntu-ci iso
[12:04] <apachelogger> of which there might just be one today
[12:05] <Riddell> ooh
[12:31] <Riddell> KF5 compiling away in utopic
[12:31] <Riddell> 4.14.1 compiling away too in utopic
[12:32] <Riddell> Plasma 5.0.2 needs to wait for KF5 to be done before being copied over to next ppa
[12:34] <kfunk> how are things in 14.10 land. is it usable already? KF5/project-neon ready for 14.10?
[12:34] <soee> Riddell: spread some words about beta2 on social networks
[12:34]  * kfunk may want to upgrade
[12:37] <Riddell> kfunk: 14.10 working well for me, including Plasma 5 packages, bugs I know about at http://goo.gl/B527rj
[12:38] <Riddell> neon is being replaced by apachelogger 
[12:42] <kfunk> "replaced"? means that we'll have "proper" packages in 14.10?
[12:43] <Riddell> kfunk: KF5 will be in the archive, Plasma in a PPA, for latest git apachelogger is working on continuous integration kubuntu-ci mixing the two
[12:43] <kfunk> ic, cool
[12:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: so how should I branch pkg-kde-tools in debian git?
[12:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: master (debian) -> kubuntu/utopic/archive
[12:48] <apachelogger> since no one seems to have opinions on branches
[12:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: why "archive"?
[12:48] <Riddell> we trust your judgement on the matter
[12:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: in case one wants to have a different version in a ppa later
[12:49] <apachelogger> you cannot have a ref kubuntu/utopic and then later add kubuntu/utopic/foo
[12:50] <yofel> you can't for technical reasons?
[12:53] <Riddell> seems a curious limiitation of git?
[12:54] <Riddell> error: unable to resolve reference refs/heads/kubuntu/utopic/foo: Not a directory
[12:54] <Riddell> but indeed it is a git limitation
[12:55] <Riddell> who'd have thought git would be limited?
[12:55] <apachelogger> it's beacuse the basename of a ref is always a file referencing the ref of the 'thing' in question
[12:56] <apachelogger> so with kubuntu/utopic and kubuntu/utopic/ppa kubuntu/utopic would have to be a directory and a file at the same time
[12:56] <apachelogger> it's really very consistent
[12:56] <apachelogger> it's like if you had a directory and then moved another directory into it, so what would that mean in terms of git? the two trees muched together?
[13:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: una problema, branches with '/' in the name are forbidden
[13:06] <Riddell> http://paste.kde.org/pq489bg9b
[13:07] <soee> can i create aliases/shortcuts to some ssh connections like: if no using: ssh xfoo@foo.bar.baz.com just call: ssh xfoo and it will execute full url?
[13:07] <soee> *now using
[13:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: how very rude
[13:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: _ instead of / then I guess
[13:08] <yofel> soee: well, you can make bash aliases for any command (I have aliases for my common ssh connections)
[13:08] <apachelogger> actually
[13:08] <apachelogger> you can configure ssh to do it
[13:08] <apachelogger> which is much better
[13:08] <apachelogger> e.g. you can also use sftp:// in dolphin with the aliases
[13:08] <soee> where do i do that ?
[13:09] <apachelogger> .ssh/config -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8432795/
[13:09] <apachelogger> as name you can define anything
[13:09] <Riddell> soee: my ~/.bashrc has e.g. alias planet="ssh planetadmin@planetkde.org"
[13:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: you'll also want to look into .ssh/config :P
[13:12] <soee> thanks
[13:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: git url aliases seem to be doing quite nicely for git use
[13:13] <apachelogger> yeah, I am talking about ssh  though :P
[13:32] <apachelogger> mh
[13:32] <apachelogger> Riddell, sgclark: I feel like I should point out that 5.1 packaging should be derived from the unstable branches ;)
[13:32] <sgclark> apachelogger: actually I was going to ask about that
[13:33] <apachelogger> unfortunate timing with the beta there
[13:33] <apachelogger> or we delay beta packaging until next week
[13:33] <apachelogger> then I can import unstable into git and then we simply branch the packaging from the imported unstable
[13:34] <sgclark> I am ok with waiting, could use a break
[13:38] <Riddell> sgclark: getting burnt out by calligra?
[13:38] <Riddell> I did say it was a beast!
[13:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't understand, what's unfortunate about timing?
[13:39] <sgclark> 3 miles of lintain errors. pretty sure most are false positives though..
[13:40] <sgclark> but really just tired from being sick most of the week
[13:40] <Riddell> oh yes calligra has loads of those, don't worry too much about them, we're frozen now so unless it's a known bug best not to alter
[13:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: because half the packaging is in git and the half that would be relevant for 5.1beta is in bzr
[13:41] <sgclark> ok great, then it is done. OFf to the l10n
[13:41] <apachelogger> and yeah, a godzilla of lintina warnings
[13:41] <sgclark> lol
[13:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: plasma is all in git now
[13:42] <sgclark> oh?
[13:43] <sgclark> I guess I better learn the process...
[13:43] <Riddell> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/?q=pkg-kde%2Fplasma  13 mins old
[13:43] <Riddell> can't learn a process which doesn't exist yet, we're pioneers!
[13:43] <sgclark> so hmm, I am guessing all of our scripts are useless
[13:44] <sgclark> lol
[13:44] <Riddell> they'll needs lots of changes I'm sure
[13:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: unstable is not
[13:44] <apachelogger> and unstable is what one wants to base 5.1 packaging on
[13:44] <sgclark> well I can work on it today/tonight, but I will be taking the weekend off :) much needed R&R
[13:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: you have unstable branches?
[13:45] <apachelogger> yes?
[13:45] <apachelogger> do you even read my mails to the list -.-
[13:45] <sgclark> right, unstable needs to be merged? 
[13:45] <sgclark> yeah Riddell: even I know that!
[13:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: I know you plan to but I don't know where they are just now?
[13:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: that's what ci is based on
[13:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: mm hmm, but where are they hiding?
[13:47] <apachelogger> https://code.launchpad.net/kubuntu-packaging-unstable
[13:48] <Riddell> aah
[13:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: so will you import those into debian git, or are you wanting me to?
[13:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: I will, but only next week
[13:49] <apachelogger> hence why I said either we'll have to wait with the beta or whoever wants to do the beta needs to import things into git
[13:49] <apachelogger> for the most part I think it would simply be take whatever is unstable and throw it at git master, then write a changelog for it
[13:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: also I suppose our tooling needs the necessary adjustments for git first anyway
[13:50] <apachelogger> that initial-upload script thing
[13:50] <Riddell> yep
[13:51] <Riddell> I'm in no rush for plasma 5 beta while we still have 4.14.1 and KF5 5.2 and plasma 5.0.2 to go through the system
[13:51] <sgclark> yeah, so lets wait :)
[13:52] <sgclark> because knowing me, with unfinished tasks I would end up working the weekend, and I really don;t wanna
[13:58] <soee> wrr any idea why on my local machine i have not colors in temrinal when listing files etc ?
[14:00] <sgclark> I think you have to turn that on in bashrc?
[14:01] <sgclark> soee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8433045/ is in my bashrc and I have spiffy colors
[14:02] <soee> sgclark: i had to create .bashrc file when created aliases 
[14:02] <soee> i also founbd some sample https://gist.github.com/marioBonales/1637696
[14:02] <soee> ohyes ;) got fancy colors 
[14:02] <apachelogger> /etc/skel/ has the default rc
[14:02] <apachelogger> actually
[14:02] <apachelogger> soee: is that a completely new user?
[14:03] <soee> apachelogger: eee my account was created liek 3 months ago when installing 14.10 + plasma next
[14:03] <soee> ok one more thinf i need in my bashrc is to sorting files
[14:03] <soee> dirs first than files
[14:04] <apachelogger> might have been a bug back then
[14:04] <Riddell> hmm, SourBlue disappeared, I hope s/he comes back
[14:04]  * apachelogger wonders if it is still there, not having skel copied sounds like a bad thing
[14:05] <soee> yeah thers .bashrc in /etc/skel/
[14:06] <soee> o h is also suggest to use .bash_aliases
[14:06] <soee> as it checks for such file existance
[14:13] <soee>     alias ls='ls --color=auto --group-directories-first'
[14:13] <soee>  :)
[14:14] <soee> one more thing i need to have dotfiles fefore normal
[14:20] <soee> seems to work:     alias ls='LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 ls --color=auto --group-directories-first'
[14:27] <Riddell> hmm arm64 being slow today
[14:35] <shadeslayer> whats new about that
[14:36] <Riddell> armhf being faster?
[15:20]  * Riddell does the I fixed kdesu to work with sudo dance
[15:20] <Riddell> now there's a dance I've not needed for the last decade
[15:20] <sgclark> Riddell: calligra is in my ppa
[15:21] <Riddell> ooh ooh!
[15:21] <Riddell> sgclark: and in bzr?
[15:21] <sgclark> no , will do that now
[15:31] <sgclark> Riddell: pushed
[15:55] <Riddell> sgclark: xbase64.diff doesn't apply for me, did you commit the updated version?
[15:57] <Riddell> sgclark: looks like you missed it from your commit, I got it from your PPA
[16:01] <sgclark> hmm weird
[16:02] <sgclark> oh I see what happened, will commit
[16:02] <Riddell> sgclark: I did already
[16:02] <sgclark> ok thank you
[16:04] <sgclark> Riddell: there were two I had to fix, get them both?
[16:04] <Riddell> sgclark: yeah
[16:04] <sgclark> super
[16:04] <Riddell> sgclark: calligra and calligra-l10n uploaded!
[16:04] <sgclark> thanks!
[16:04] <Riddell> you may now relax on a sunny weekend :)
[16:05] <sgclark> yay!
[16:10] <Riddell> hi amichair 
[16:11]  * Riddell wanders off
[21:40] <valorie> this is cool: http://ocert.org/team_and_members.html
[21:40] <valorie> I wish we were there, in one way or another
[21:52] <Mamarok> KDE is part of it,doesn'tmakesenseto dothis on the distro level
[21:53] <Mamarok> gosh, my space key is stuck...
[21:58] <valorie> Mamarok: I was thinking that Ubuntu should be part of it
[21:58] <valorie> yes, I'm really happy that KDE is part of it
[21:58] <valorie> (catty aside: GNOME isn't)