[00:02] <Torededer> Help!
[00:03] <Torededer> amybody
[00:03] <Torededer> *anybody
[00:41] <cris_> hello
[00:42] <cris_> does any one know why Kubuntu restarts instead of going to sleep when i close my laptop?
[01:20] <valorie> cris_: what do you have set in systemsettings?
[06:55] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:56] <TheFakeazneD525> hi lordievader
[06:56] <TheFakeazneD525> lordievader: the bouncy ball was removed from Plasma 5 :(
[06:56]  * TheFakeazneD525 bounces sadly
[06:58] <lordievader> Hmm, okay.
[06:58] <lordievader> TheFakeazneD525: Port it?
[06:59] <TheFakeazneD525> there was actually a bit of debate about that
[06:59] <TheFakeazneD525> apparently they wanted Plasma 5 to be more professional
[07:01] <lordievader> That is not very surprising. By the by, shall we move to #kubuntu-offtopic?
[08:24] <Walex> usb/w 2
[08:25] <Walex> lordievader: because #kubuntu is so busy with other discussions :-) Or "to be more professional"? :-)
[08:25] <lordievader> Walex: ?
[08:26] <lordievader> That I moved a discussion to #kubuntu-offtopic? See the rules.
[08:39] <valorie> Walex: busyness or not, this is a help chan
[08:40] <valorie> it's not about professionalism, it's about helping folks out
[08:43] <lordievader> ^ that, offtopic doesn't belong here.
[09:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:52] <As4xk> Hi. I'm running Kubuntu 14.04. KDE is freezing in the sence that if i try to open the application launcher, nothing happens. If i try to open a program, then program starts to load (i.e. the mouse get the jumping terminal icon when i try to lauch terminal from quicklaunch bar). I have no idea why. Any idea where to start? :p I dont find any log files named KDE under /var/log (i can ctrl+alt+F1 and login there to do stuff from terminal)
[12:53] <soee> As4xk: on a fresh installation or upgraded or ?
[12:54] <As4xk> The application (e.g. terminal) start's to load, and suddently it quits. After approx. 1 min after boot, i cannot right click on desktop, cannot do anything except move the mouse and ctrl+alt+F1
[12:54] <soee> BluesKaj: any thoughts ^ ?
[12:55] <As4xk> No. I tried to remove the encrypted swap from crypttab fstab and the initramfs-tools-resume. That's when it happened. But i reverted all my changes (from temrinal) but the problem remains
[12:55] <BluesKaj> As4xk, i have to ask what soee asked you clean install recently or an upgrade or...?
[12:56] <As4xk> No. I have been running the system for 2 weeks approx.
[12:57] <As4xk> upgraded packages through apt-get probably, but not a fresh upgrade to form old->14.04 if that's what you meen
[13:00] <BluesKaj> perhaps you need an update/upgrade or dist-upgrade, it seems you have something missing in the plasma desktop
[13:01] <soee> As4xk: sudo apt-get update & apt full-upgrade
[13:02] <As4xk> It says 0 upgraded, 0 new, 0 remove and 0 not upgraded
[13:02] <soee> do you have kubuntu-updates ppa enabled ?
[13:04] <As4xk> How do i check this? Looked in /etc/apt/sources.list found nothing such
[13:06] <BluesKaj> As4xk, did you try sudo apt-get -dist-upgrade?
[13:06] <BluesKaj> err sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[13:06] <As4xk> It also says 0 upgraded, 0 new, 0 remove and 0 not upgraded
[13:07] <BluesKaj> it might be a good idea to enable the backports if you have them commented
[13:08] <As4xk> trusty-backports are not commented
[13:09] <As4xk> can i restart KDE somehow from terminal?
[13:09] <BluesKaj> As4xk, ok
[13:09] <As4xk> Do KDE have any logfiles i can look at?
[13:10] <As4xk> now KDE have gone all ape shit. Chrome doesn't work either. The bottom panel is gone, and alt+tab is not doing anything
[13:11] <soee> looks like problems with plasma also
[13:11] <soee> cn you run terminal ?
[13:12] <BluesKaj> As4xk, sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[13:12] <As4xk> soee: Yes
[13:13] <As4xk> BluesKaj: Did that now. Rebooting to check it it's better
[13:13] <soee> As4xk: try to run some app from terminal, see what output it generates
[13:13] <As4xk> apps with GUI?
[13:14] <BluesKaj> yes
[13:16] <As4xk> tried sudo gparted: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display
[13:16] <As4xk> reinstall kubuntu-desktop did nothing
[13:17] <As4xk> i run terminal by ctrl-alt-F1 So there should be no reason for gparted to be able to open display?
[13:18] <As4xk> tried startx which opened a new KDE session (dont know if that the right term. Still a problem there
[13:19] <davls82> Hello i am using Kubuntu 14.04.1 64 Bit LTS does anybody know how long is supported because other Editions like Gnome Ubuntu have only 3 years Support
[13:20] <BluesKaj> yeah reinstalling kubuntu-desktop used to work on older versions of kde, that's no longer the case I guess
[13:21] <BluesKaj> !LTS
[13:21] <As4xk> Do KDE store some cache files i can delete?
[13:23] <As4xk> hmm. I removed the swap stuff again and rebooted. Now everything works fine. I don't understand what that's got to do with KDE :(
[13:24] <As4xk> Well well. It works
[13:27] <BluesKaj> As4xk, what swap stuff ?
[13:28] <As4xk> information about encrypted swap partition in /etc/crypttab /etc/fstab /etc/initramfs-tools/resume
[13:28] <hateball> As4xk: you cant run gparted in a tty, it requires X
[13:29] <BluesKaj> why would you encrypt swap anyway /
[13:29] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Same reason you would encrypt your hard drive.
[13:30] <As4xk> BluesKaj: Why not?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> ok , so it's a result of full hdd encryption
[13:31] <As4xk> hateball: Ok, thanks. I just tried everything :p
[13:32] <hateball> As4xk: I'd use gparted-live rather than resize things on a running system, but that's just me
[13:32] <As4xk> BluesKaj: Yes. I want to use a random key, not to enter a key at boot. Then i thought: "Might remove it fully first to test". And then KDE got stuping (which is what i don't understand)
[13:32] <As4xk> hateball: I just wanted to run ANY application with GUI ;)
[13:33] <hateball> As4xk: Aha. Perhaps I should have read up better. Carry on.
[13:35] <BluesKaj> As4xk, i don't  understand either , but then again i don't use encryption so I have no idea how it affects kde/desktopo loading etc at boot
[13:38] <imbezol> how do i delete KDE's stored information on screen resolution? i tried going to an unsupported resolution in an emulator and even after rebooting kde wants that res on logging in. if i use unity everything in x works fine, but kde flips to that unsupported res and my m
[13:38] <imbezol> monitor goes black
[13:40] <As4xk> Anyway, it works now. Thanks for your help BluesKaj, soee
[13:41] <hateball> imbezol: check in ~/.kde/share/apps/kscreen
[13:41] <BluesKaj> well As4xk seems you solved it by yourself :)
[13:41] <hateball> imbezol: it should have an entry for each device you've used
[13:42] <imbezol> hateball: yeah.. actually two files for my lcd panel.. one lists the "bad" resolution
[13:42] <imbezol> i'll try wiping that
[13:44] <imbezol> that did it! awesome, thanks hateball!
[13:47] <hateball> imbezol: :)
[14:03] <Alex-Zion> Hi everyone , I have some strange behavior using chromium browser on my kubuntu 14.04 system, anytime I open up the browser it send information to few server including google server , it is normal ?
[14:07] <faust> Alex-Zion: yeah it's normal for google to be creepy
[14:08] <Alex-Zion> and why thi functionality isn't removed for the Open Source Version ?
[14:10] <faust> Alex-Zion: maybe if you disable all those option about contacting web service for auto completion, spell checking etc it will be a little bit quiet
[14:12] <Alex-Zion> a little bit but not quite
[14:12] <Alex-Zion> it's a shame that anytime i change a peg or refresh the same it send info to google , isn't ?
[14:15] <faust> Alex-Zion: I'm quiet sure that they have a reasonable reason for doing so, like "OCSP ssl certs validation", but if you don't like it you should probably come back to FF
[14:16] <Alex-Zion> of course I will faust
[14:16] <faust> or maybe somewhere exists som patch to avoid chromium doing things like these
[14:16] <Alex-Zion> about the reasons its clear enough to me
[14:16] <faust> eheh
[14:17] <faust> I was a little bit sarcastic about "reasonable reason" :P
[14:17] <Alex-Zion> but I thought that those kind of shit wouldn't appear on kubuntu , but I was wrong
[14:17] <Alex-Zion> in my opinio it shouldn't be on the repo at all
[14:18] <BluesKaj> FF has become too bloated for me, I'll sacrifice a bit of privacy for a broswer that's quicker and easier to use
[14:18] <faust> however you may try to ask to the team the work on chromium upstream, maybe they have a better explaination
[14:19] <Alex-Zion> they said it depend on package distro
[14:19] <Alex-Zion> so it seems like anyone is accusing others for that shame
[14:20] <faust> lol
[14:20] <Alex-Zion> but the fact is that in this way we cannot trust like we use to do about K/ubuntu
[14:23] <AlexZion_> the big brother is here guys and we are just passively accepting it , or even helping it
[14:25] <TJ-> Alex-Zion: Some time ago there was a bug in the Chromium packages where they'd left in some Chrome-specific Google links, but that was reported and removed. So which version of Chromium are you using and what kind of connections is it making?
[14:25] <faust> well, chromium is not the worst sin of the debian family (do you remember the huge openssl fail?) :P
[14:26] <AlexZion_> TJ Versione 37.0.2062.120 Ubuntu 14.04 (281580) (64-bit)
[14:27] <BluesKaj> faust, well now we have bashshock bug
[14:27] <AlexZion_> yeah faust but a problem is quite different of doing something intentionally , you don't thing so ?
[14:28] <TJ-> AlexZion_: This was the fix I'm referring to: http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome?revision=56032&view=revision
[14:28] <faust> AlexZion_: I don't know, if they wanted to spy you intetionally there better ways
[14:30] <TJ-> AlexZion_: If I recall correctly, if Google is selected as the default Search engine, then the browser will contact Google servers for type-ahead, spelling, and some other functions, so you'd need to identify the target of the connection(s) in order to determine their purpose
[14:30] <faust> BluesKaj: at least that is not a *.deb-only thing
[14:30] <AlexZion_> about connection TJ, mil01s18-in-f9.1e100.net and 173.45.105.114 and is even worst when I close it
[14:30] <AlexZion_> I don't use google as a default search engine
[14:31] <BluesKaj> faust, yeah well, i'm waiting for firmware upgrade for my router since most devices running unix/linux are vulnerable to the bash exploit
[14:32] <AlexZion_> ahh TJ , I forgot thisone 72.69.2d.static.xlhost.com
[14:32] <faust> BluesKaj: if you have an OEM firmware it has, probably, al lot other of backdoors :P
[14:45] <BluesKaj> faust, I'm considering openwrt for my router, but I can seem to find enough time to do so.
[14:45] <BluesKaj> can't
[14:46] <TJ-> AlexZion_:  I can reproduce that here - report a bug against the chromium-browser package
[14:46] <BluesKaj> maybe i'll have to do it in the middle of the night when wife has her pc shut down
[14:48] <TJ-> AlexZion_: There's the same HTTPS outgoing connections in "-incognito" mode, too
[14:49] <AlexZion_> yes TJ- is exactly the same
[14:52] <faust> I love Google
[14:52] <AlexZion_> even if I open up a local page with no web content on it , actually it seems even worst , in that case even 5 connection to google appears
[14:54] <AlexZion_> and anytime I even refresh that page google receive info before I get the page refresh, what wonderful things , you don't thing so ? :)
[14:54] <faust> also I guess that they are HTTPS so you cannot know what kind of data is sent to google
[14:55] <AlexZion_> yeah , but you know what , I got a solution "sudo apt-get purge chromium-browser google-chrome-stable" ;)
[14:55] <AlexZion_> I dont want any shit on my pc ;)
[14:57] <faust> lol
[14:57] <TJ-> Time to check the source
[14:58] <AlexZion_> I don't really like firefox , but there is no other option here
[14:59] <BluesKaj> too bad rekonq is such a mess
[15:01] <denza252> I wonder when Qt 5.4 ships
[15:08] <denza252> Where's the launch party channel
[15:50] <lordievader> !pm | aoa_
[15:51] <aoa_> ok
[15:51] <aoa_> last night i say about my problem
[15:51] <aoa_> Do you remember ?
[15:51] <lordievader> aoa_: Err, remind me?
[15:53] <aoa_> yes , the bug on firefox scroll and other place on kubuntu
[15:53] <lordievader> aoa_: Ah yes, have you found a fix?
[15:53] <aoa_> No
[15:59] <aoa_> BluesKaj have same graphic card ( intel HD 4000 ) but he havn't this bug
[16:00] <aoa_> i use for install driver from repo https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers
[16:02] <aoa_> i think maybe this repo have bug
[16:04] <aoa_> someone on this channel say the last kernel have last driver for Intel HD series
[16:04] <aoa_> i usually any day update & upgrade my kubuntu
[16:07] <BluesKaj> aoa_, you mean every day
[16:07] <aoa_> yes
[16:07] <aoa_> everyday
[16:10] <BluesKaj> aoa_, run this in the terminal, lspci -knn | egrep -A 3 'VGA|3D'
[16:10] <aoa_> ok
[16:11] <BluesKaj> aoa_, Kernel driver in use: is ??
[16:11] <aoa_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8433924/
[16:12] <aoa_> i915
[16:14] <BluesKaj> aoa_, which firefox version do you have installed , run , firefox -v
[16:15] <aoa_> 32
[16:16] <BluesKaj> there is an upgrade if you launch it, just noticed that
[16:17] <aoa_> Blueskaj look this bug is not only firefox . i see these black box sometimes any where on kubuntu and ubuntu .
[16:18] <aoa_> ok  i will upgrade kubuntu now
[16:19] <BluesKaj> aoa_, what are your desktop effects settings >OpenGL and raster ?
[16:22] <aoa_> pleasewait
[16:23] <aoa_> yes i use these
[16:23] <TJ-> Interesting issue here - first and last X screens have desktop effects enabled, but two others don't - systemsettings doesn't seem to provide a per-X-screen option but it looks as if some config file may do; any ideas which, and what setting to chase?
[16:24] <lordievader> aoa_: 3rd party repo's are note supported.
[16:25] <lordievader> aoa_: However, as I said yesterday, report a bug against the driver.
[16:25] <aoa_> where i report bug ?
[16:25] <BluesKaj> !bug
[16:26] <aoa_> launchpad ?
[16:26] <BluesKaj> read above
[16:26] <lordievader> aoa_: ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-intel
[16:27] <aoa_> ok
[16:28] <aoa_> thank you guys
[16:34] <aasda> Hello all. One quick question. Do I need SWAP partition if I have 8gb ram? Thanks.
[16:35] <MangaKaDenza> Its always good to have some swap
[16:35] <lordievader> aasda: Depends on your usage. But it usually a good idea to have some swap.
[16:36] <MangaKaDenza> I recommend 4GB
[16:36] <aasda> should I go 1/2, 1/1 or put let's say 10gb?
[16:36] <BluesKaj> aasda, yes if you plan to hibernate any sessions
[16:37] <aasda> Well, I don't plan to Hibernate. I don't say never, but chance is minimal.
[16:38] <BluesKaj> with 8G ram there won't likely be much or any swapping going on, unless of course you have a whole lot of busy apps running simultaneously
[16:39] <lordievader> Or a memory leak ;)
[16:41] <aasda> Well, I use Mint for my office needs, a bit of programming, browsing and similar. Nothing "heavy" I think.
[16:41] <aasda> So, now I want to try Kubuntu.
[16:43] <MangaKaDenza> Say guys, the global media keys (Fn+play, Fn+next, etc) don't work on clementine
[16:43] <MangaKaDenza> wat do?
[16:43] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: Have you configured clementine to use those?
[16:45] <MangaKaDenza> it says Media * is linked to the appropriate action
[16:45] <MangaKaDenza> Like, Media Play/Pause : Play/pause
[16:47] <MangaKaDenza> should I try Fn+Fsomething?
[16:47] <MangaKaDenza> nope, doesn't work
[16:47] <BluesKaj> aasda, I have a 9G swap and serves me well , any swap should be at least as large as your ram
[16:47] <BluesKaj> oops, too late
[16:48] <lordievader> Meh, I usually have it at max 5G.
[16:49] <BluesKaj> lordievader, depends on your ram ...it used to be 1.5X RAM
[16:50] <MangaKaDenza> lordievader: what should I do
[16:50] <lordievader> Not if you don't hibernate, then you are free to choose. Using more than 5G seems like a waste of disk space to me.
[16:50] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: Haven't used Clementine in a long time. I do know the mpris interface works quite allright.
[16:51]  * lordievader has written a media controller that uses the mpris interface.
[16:51]  * lordievader goes afk
[16:53]  * BluesKaj uses VLC for all media
[16:53] <MangaKaDenza> I hope my new shortcuts don't break anything :c
[16:53] <MangaKaDenza> alt+shift+fXX
[17:02] <mario55> itali
[17:05] <mario55> italy
[17:06] <mario55> ciao c6
[17:07] <Pici> !it
[17:07] <mario55> ubuntu
[17:08] <mario55> ubuntu.it
[17:13] <mario55> kkk
[17:22] <sithlord48> does anyone here use transmission-daemon on a headless machine? i can't seam to get it to autostart. i always have to restart the service before clients can connect anyone know how to fix that?
[17:24] <TJ-> sithlord48: Only an apprentice Sith Lord then//
[17:24] <TJ-> arghhh
[17:24] <sithlord48> lol
[17:25] <TJ-> sithlord48: .... "/etc/default/transmission-daemon" ... is "ENABLE_DAEMON=1" ?
[17:25] <sithlord48> let me check
[17:25] <sithlord48> i would think so as the daemon is started on boot
[17:26] <sithlord48> i added a user "transmission" no change.
[17:27] <sithlord48> TJ-:  yes it is
[17:27] <sithlord48> i thouht maybe i was my config since this server has been being upgraded for a lot of releases.
[17:27] <sithlord48> so i purged it. still doesn't allow connections unless i restart the service
[17:27] <TJ-> sithlord48: Sounds like it might be suspended at start-up, doesn't it?
[17:28] <sithlord48> i thought it was maybe starting before the network interface.
[17:28] <sithlord48> where are the upstart configs? still /etc/init.d/?
[17:28] <TJ-> sithlord48: which Ubuntu release is it on?
[17:29] <sithlord48> 14.01 server. few ppa stuffs.
[17:29] <sithlord48> manually installed kernel 3.16
[17:30] <TJ-> sithlord48: check "/var/log/syslog" for clues when transmission starts.... and also, check that the network interface it is set to listen on is available and up when it binds the socket
[17:30] <TJ-> sithlord48: failure for it doing that would explain why it works when you restart it later
[17:31] <sithlord48> starts on 127.0.0.1
[17:32] <TJ-> sithlord48: That'd explain it ... it needs to be bound to 0.0.0.0 or to the public interface IP(s)
[17:33] <sithlord48> shouldn't it just work when i install ?
[17:33] <sithlord48> i used to
[17:33] <sithlord48> it*
[17:34] <TJ-> It should  - but if when it starts only the "lo" interface is ready that might be all it binds to... when you restart it later, and all NICs are available, it'd bind to them all .... my hypothesis, anyhow
[17:35] <TJ-> sithlord48: previously it used a SysV init script (/etc/init.d/) so if it is now using an upstart job it is possible that job conf starts it too early
[17:35] <sithlord48> do you know where upstart is saving its scripts?
[17:36] <TJ-> sithlord48: "/etc/init/"
[17:36] <sithlord48> in the settings for transmission its bound to the ip 0.0.0.0 should i try my local ?
[17:42] <sithlord48> TJ-:  that seams to have worked !
[17:42] <sithlord48> thanks!!
[18:27] <Programmer_> i keep getting a message every time I log in that plasma desktop has crashed
[18:38] <BluesKaj> Programmer_, have you updated and upgraded lately?
[18:38] <Programmer_> yes
[18:38] <BluesKaj> plasma 4 or 5 ?
[18:39] <Programmer_> not sure
[18:39] <Programmer_> im on 14.04
[18:41] <BluesKaj> ok it's 4  , plsama 5 uses a special repository/ppa
[18:41] <Programmer_> so any idea how to fix
[18:42] <BluesKaj> Programmer_, the notifier says it crashes, any other symptoms ?
[18:43] <Programmer_> notifier
[18:43] <Programmer_> and a weird window
[18:44] <tarzan> New Question : Does Root read all files in the filesystem at startup and is it important in which directories I store my configs, scripts and so on ?
[18:45] <BluesKaj> yeah besides the notifier, and what does the weird window show?
[18:45] <Programmer_> nothing
[18:45] <Programmer_> it's like a small box that doesnt open
[18:49] <Programmer_> g2g
[18:50] <tarzan> New Question : Does Root read all files in the filesystem at startup and is it important in which directories I store my configs, scripts and so on ?
[19:05] <Programmer_> im back
[19:05] <Programmer_> BluesKaj, any idea?
[19:09] <BluesKaj> Programmer_, I had some chromium crash notifiers, but the browser loaded fine. It could have been flash, but i didn't have any problems so I'm not sure.
[19:09] <Programmer_> it said plasmas desktop
[19:10] <Programmer_> i did notice that plasma desktop was listed under startup list from the settings. should i disable that?
[19:10] <BluesKaj> ok but did you have any problems
[19:10] <Programmer_> what do you mean?
[19:10] <Programmer_> i just keep getting the error saying it crashed everytime i reboot
[19:11] <Programmer_> the desktop works fine i guess. just get annoying seeing that everytime i reboot
[19:12] <BluesKaj> then it's the notifier that's the problem, I think
[19:12] <Programmer_> but that doesnt make sense
[19:12] <Programmer_> i do get a window kinda like a console window saying plasma desktop
[19:12] <BluesKaj> well if the notifiewr says plasma dektop crashed and it didn't , what is your conclusion ?
[19:13] <Programmer_> idkkkkkkkkk
[19:13] <Programmer_> i just see that i think it does crash
[19:13] <Programmer_> because a window that resembles a console appears but it doesnt show anything
[19:14] <Programmer_> you think installing plasma desktop 5 could fix the issue?
[19:14] <BluesKaj> and reloads successfully in a few seconds i bet
[19:14] <BluesKaj> no plasma 5 is experimental
[19:14] <Programmer_> i guess
[19:14] <Programmer_> o
[19:33] <amdblack> hola buenas
[19:33] <amdblack> ai alguien
[19:33] <amdblack> por aqui
[19:34] <amdblack> and installed in kubuntu OFICCE open but I do not get matched by any party to remove ai free OFICCE or something
[19:35] <amdblack> and openoffice installed but not working in kubuntu me
[20:30] <cjwelborn> Does Kubuntu/Ubuntu have any real chroot jails available? Not just a chroot, but something that takes extra steps trying to make it inescapable? I've been reading a little about this stuff, and I've heard of something called a 'FreeBSD Jail'. I was just wondering if there was an easily deployed option for *buntu variants.
[20:33] <cjwelborn> Anyway, it's not important. I'm just studying a bit because it may come in handy later. I don't mean a virtual machine really, but something that 'jails' a process from accessing anything outside of it's chroot.
[20:37] <cjwelborn> user-mode-linux may be what I am looking for. I'm not sure though. I guess I have more reading to do.
[20:40] <andersl> is it possible to install the normal KDE networkmanager plasmoid in kubuntu?
[20:40] <Snowhog> cjwelborn: And https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot won't do what you want?
[20:42] <valorie> I thought that was the whole point of a chroot
[20:46] <cjwelborn> Everything I have read says that chroot's can be easily escaped. Like I said before, this is just for study, but I'd like to look at the most secure method available.
[20:51] <cjwelborn> I've made some chroots for cross-compiling and jailing a process to a certain directory. It was trusted code though. I'm looking into what would happen with untrusted code.
[20:52] <cjwelborn> So far I have found UserModeLinux, which is like a virtual machine. It claims to protect your system from borked code/kernels.
[21:11] <cjwelborn> UML looks pretty cool. By using a pre-made file-system image, and a pre-compiled kernel, I was able to get it running in like 10 minutes. This is after installing the 'user-mode-linux' package of course. Anyway, thanks for the suggestions.
[22:19] <Torededer> hello?
[22:20] <Torededer> so i am having trouble with my window manager and plasma-desktop, there are no exit out buttons and i can't drag the screen around
[22:21] <Torededer> SOMEBODY
[22:24] <genii> Torededer: You can try: ctrl-alt-f1 and login to console. Then: DISPLAY=:0     then: kwin --replace     then: exit   and ctrl-f7 to return to Kubuntu and see if that fixed it
[22:33] <Torededer> genii i will try it
[22:36] <Torededer> it fixes it for a few seconds, but after that it goes back to normal, so is there a way to keep it running?
[22:36] <Torededer> genii
[22:38] <valorie> Torededer: I'm having trouble understanding
[22:39] <valorie> exit out buttons from what?
[22:39] <valorie> control alt f1 -f6 get you to consoles
[22:39] <genii> valorie: As I took it, all their windows are missing their minimize/maximize/close
[22:40] <valorie> ah, the window deco
[22:40] <Torededer> valorie yea what geni said
[22:40] <valorie> usually control q quits all KDE applications
[22:40] <valorie> but dunno about other stuff
[22:40] <Torededer> and also my kickoff application thing starts like under all the other layers for some stupid reason :/
[22:41] <Torededer> valorie i also can't drag my windows
[22:41] <Torededer> any other suggestions??
[22:42] <valorie> perhaps reinstall kubuntu-desktop ?
[22:42] <valorie> sounds like some bits are missing
[22:42] <valorie> or, just rename your ~/.kde folder
[22:42] <genii> Torededer: Is this some newer computer?
[22:43] <valorie> and let KDE start afresh with new configs
[22:43] <Torededer> genii no it is from windows xp era machines
[22:44] <Torededer> valorie i tried reinstalling kubuntu desktop plasma desktop kde window manager and other stuff and it didnt do anything...
[22:45] <valorie> well, you can always check with a new user
[22:46] <genii> !requirements
[22:46] <valorie> if you login with the new user and all is well, then it will help to rename ~/.kde
[22:46] <TJ-> Any ideas why I'd have desktop effects on X screens 0 and 3, but not on 1 and 2 ?
[22:48] <genii> TJ-: I'd suspect screens 0 and 3 are same adapter with compositing, and 1 and 2 is some other adapter without compositing
[22:49] <TJ-> genii: Actually no, there's 3 GPUs, 0 and 1 on GPU#0, 2 on GPU#1, 3 on GPU#2
[22:49] <genii> Hm, curious then.
[22:50] <TJ-> the problem, of course, is that the systemsettings applet cannot differentiate in the GUI, and I've not yet found the setting to control it on a per-screen basis in the config files
[22:50] <Torededer> genii yeah i got all of the ram needed and stuff but i dont't think you need anything else, really ...
[22:51] <Torededer> valorie why do i need to rename the .kde file?
[22:51] <valorie> that will reset your configs, Torededer
[22:51] <valorie> but as I said, create a new user and check, first
[22:51] <valorie> if a new user doesn't fix the problem, then it is useless to rename your .kde
[22:52] <valorie> and I say rename rather than delete because then you can move back the configs you want
[22:52] <valorie> but step one is check with a new user
[22:52] <valorie> !newuser
[22:52] <valorie> pfff
[22:52] <valorie> !user
[23:03] <kerlerm> hi
[23:03] <kerlerm> exit
[23:05] <valorie> hmmm
[23:08] <Torededer> valorie awesome thanks i will try it
[23:31] <dougl> I got myself confused trying to install skype - can anyone clear the haze
[23:31] <dougl> ?
[23:33] <genii> dougl: Should be as simple as adding the partner repository, refreshing the list, then installing it
[23:33] <dougl> k looking at the ubuntu hand book thanks genii
[23:35] <dougl> supposed to be in the conical repo but the check mark option is dimmed in the software sources
[23:36] <genii> dougl: I would suggest: sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ $(lsb_release -sc) partner"                    ..and then: sudo apt-get update        and then: sudo apt-get install skype
[23:37] <genii> dougl: If you were following the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype the part about multiarch at the beginning is now obsoleted
[23:37] <dougl> thanks genii