[06:17] <diddledan> hands up everyone who's been awake all night fixing bash's shellshock!
[06:18] <diddledan> ok ok, I've been fixing everything else, too
[06:18] <diddledan> precipitated by bash, tho
[06:21] <knightwise> good morning peeps
[06:21] <diddledan> lo
[06:23] <knightwise> hey diddledan
[06:23] <knightwise> how are you dude ?
[06:24] <diddledan> tired
[06:25] <diddledan> you just missed my pronouncement of having been awake all night working on fixing bash's shellshock vuln
[06:42] <knightwise> back
[06:42] <knightwise> just patched my nix machines for the shell bug
[06:42] <knightwise> too bad my mac don't have no patch
[07:07] <knightwise> hmmm
[07:53] <popey> morning all
[07:53] <jpds> popey: Morning.
[08:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy World Dream Day! :-D
[08:02] <knightwise> hey popey JamesTait jpds
[08:02] <knightwise> popey: cat still sleeping on your neck like a scarf ?
[08:12] <davmor2> man the world dreams.....I wonder if it dreams of being a whale.....or a range of intergalatic tortoises with a world on top
[08:13] <foobarry> davmor2 is stoned
[08:14] <davmor2> foobarry: no JamesTait said it was World Dream day
[08:15] <foobarry> i dream about travelling to work and i'm not wearing shoes
[08:16] <davmor2> and you think I'm stoned :P
[08:16] <foobarry> or i'm forever trying to pack for holiday and i can never finish
[08:17] <JamesTait> davmor2, Great A'Tuin is the world turtle, not a tortoise. ;)
[08:18] <popey> knightwise: no thankfully!
[08:20] <davmor2> JamesTait: I couldn't remember which it was I was close though
[08:20] <JamesTait> davmor2, we knew what you meant!
[08:21]  * JamesTait is making his way through the Discworld series again, at eldest son's bedtime.
[08:21] <davmor2> JamesTait: man I hate to think what his dreams are likely to be ;)
[08:23] <JamesTait> davmor2, trains, probably. Lots and lots of trains. And Minecraft.
[08:23] <smittix> Morning all
[08:26] <davmor2> JamesTait: everything a growing kid needs :)
[08:26] <davmor2> JamesTait: you gonna take him to the NRM in york then?
[08:26] <JamesTait> davmor2, undoubtedly, at some point.
[08:27] <JamesTait> davmor2, we've done Etches Park depot, Great Central Railway, Midland Railway Centre, various train stations and level crossings.
[08:27] <davmor2> JamesTait: I can also recommend a trip to bridgenorth and jump on the Severn Valley Railway
[08:30] <JamesTait> davmor2, he's asked me to take photos of the train I go to London on, and if I go on a subway in the US he wants photos.
[08:33] <foobarry> i had a dream the other night that the 8.11 train was a steam train. but my 8.26 was a regualr commuter overground train. and i just missed the 8.11. it seemed to plant itself as a memory rather than a dream. i've only just recalled that it was a dream
[08:33] <davmor2> JamesTait: you also get the hill train
[08:34] <davmor2> JamesTait: yes get your priorities man ;)
[09:08] <foobarry> http://community.giffgaff.com/t5/Submit-Great-giffgaff-Ideas/60-day-voicemail-frustration/idi-p/8605876 needs more votes
[09:08] <foobarry> any giffgaff users please vote :D
[09:09]  * dutchie leaving giffgaff
[09:09] <dutchie> due to shoddy signal where i live
[09:12] <directhex> waiting for xperia z3 to ship, then will move to three
[09:12] <directhex> not neccessarily to an xperia, but i want the option
[09:13] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:15] <davmor2> morning brobostigon
[09:15] <dutchie> yeah, i have a three sim in the post
[09:15] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[09:16] <dutchie> & hi brobostigon
[09:16]  * brobostigon has been with three for a few years now, because of the no FUP unlimited data.
[09:16] <foobarry> no FAP?
[09:16] <brobostigon> fup = fair usage policy
[09:16] <foobarry> sorry for reddit joke
[09:17] <brobostigon> i see
[09:19] <directhex> brobostigon: there *is* a FUP!
[09:19] <directhex> brobostigon: 1T per month.
[09:20] <brobostigon> directhex: ok, last time i looked there wasnt, ok thank you. thats still a huge amount of data.
[09:20] <directhex> brobostigon: i don't push that on fibre, in a month, with all the steam games
[09:21] <brobostigon> directhex: i can imagine, it would be difficult to get anywhere near to.
[09:22] <davmor2> Tunes stuck in my head today are http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrlhLaNClgw and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwlogyj7nFE
[09:23]  * brobostigon had enter sandman in his head yesterday
[09:26] <directhex> i've had "starlight" by the supermen lovers in my head a lot lately
[09:27] <ujjain> is dish washer tablets always th  same size?
[09:27] <directhex> ujjain: approximately
[09:28] <directhex> ujjain: dishwashers with a tablet tray should accept any brand on the market, anyway
[09:28] <ujjain> ah ok, I will get the discounted finish powerball then, they should fit then
[09:28] <ujjain> yeah right, I never boughth dishwasher tablets before, but should be fine then
[09:29] <davmor2> we should make a playlist of the tunes we have in our heads they are obviously the best tunes EVA!!!!! part 1 :)  it's always part 1 don't ask me why :D
[09:30] <Myrtti> spotify collaborative playlist
[09:31] <Myrtti> I already have few of those earworm playlists from different groups
[09:31] <zmoylan-pi> played from a cassette changer for full 80s retro :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgTuzDQokdk
[09:40] <ujjain> fabric conditioner is the same as fabric softener or as washing detergent?
[09:42] <DJones> softener
[09:42] <ujjain> ah thanks
[09:45] <Myrtti> I use white vinegar from a Cash and Carry instead
[09:46] <Myrtti> doesn't leave a horrid scent on the clothes and helps with limescale a bit
[09:58] <ujjain> ah, right. :)
[10:31] <ujjain> what's the english ikea called, you can order online and they have massive books, then you collect in the store
[10:31] <ujjain> 5 letters I think, 2 silibals\
[10:31] <ujjain> sounds like astro
[10:31] <dwatkins_> Sweden upon Thames
[10:31] <ujjain> hmm, that's not it :P
[10:31] <dwatkins_> aka Ikea
[10:32] <ujjain> haha
[10:34] <DJones> ujjain: Argos ?
[10:34] <ujjain> ah yes
[10:34] <ujjain> thanks
[10:34] <DJones> Or Homebase, both owned by the same people, slightly different products though
[10:35] <davmor2> ujjain: you know we have ikea here too right ;) they have book books too
[10:35] <ujjain> Yeah I know, but I am looking for more glasses/cutlery so I can be more lazy before doing laundry
[10:36] <davmor2> ujjain: again ikea :P
[10:36] <ujjain> ah yeah, but it's far
[10:36] <ujjain> I'd need a car
[10:36] <davmor2> ujjain: hahaha
[10:36] <ujjain> or take a busride for 20/25 minutes
[10:36] <Myrtti> woe is you
[10:36] <DJones> I suspect most people order online at Ikea though, so they can just go to a collection point rather than having to get the Sat Nav out to find their way round the store
[10:37] <ujjain> ah hmm, let me see, IKEA is cheaper yeah
[10:44] <davmor2> DJones: I prefer the satnav idea when going to Ikea but that is most cause it means I'm owed the meal I have there :)
[10:45] <DJones> :)
[10:58] <foobarry> anyone used LTSP lately (linux terminal server project)
[11:04] <davmor2> foobarry: no
[11:26] <ujjain> 0800 numbers in the Netherlands are free, but are paid numbers in the UK, right? Do all 0800 numbers have the same cost?
[11:27] <ujjain> found it: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/phones/cut-cost-0800-mobiles
[11:27] <davmor2> ujjain: no 0800 numbers are free from landlines but cost a normal charge from mobiles
[11:27] <ujjain> ah ok! thanks, didn't know
[11:27] <foobarry> except on giffgaff i think it is no-cost
[11:27] <ujjain> three contract also fere, but I have three pay as you go
[11:35] <ujjain> I was rejected for a FlexPlus account based on my credit score. Will that even more negatively affect my credit score?
[11:43] <davmor2> ujjain: no, but it might make it harder to get credit card and accounts that have them.
[11:45] <ujjain> why do you even need credit score for a bank account, argh, I don't even want to be able to have a negative balance.
[11:49] <directhex> there's still credit, on a non-credit account
[11:49] <directhex> e.g. cheques are credit-based
[11:49] <directhex> since there's no verification of balance when you write a cheque
[11:52] <Myrtti> just get rid of cheques
[11:52] <Myrtti> problem solved
[11:53] <ujjain> i threw away my cheques
[11:53] <brobostigon> they are outdated anyway.
[11:57] <diplo> Our school for my kids prefers cheques for payment of stuff, I don't a cheque book but they don't like cash
[11:58] <ujjain> crappy.
[11:58] <Myrtti> haven't they heard of bank accounts?
[11:59] <Myrtti> I heard that in the big world you write bills with the account information to which you want the money to be paid to
[11:59] <Myrtti> I'm under the impression it's quite fast too
[12:00] <Myrtti> like, nearly immediate or at most one banking day.
[12:01] <Myrtti> heretic, I know!
[12:01] <diplo> Myrtti, I know, or even just a card machine..
[12:01] <diplo> Other schools around the area allow it :/
[12:02] <diplo> A new head recently, so hoping he improves things
[12:02] <Myrtti> notice how gracefully I'm ignoring the fact you're paying the school
[12:04] <christel> our school also prefers cheque for stuff
[12:05] <diplo> heh, it's for after school clubs etc and school dinners
[12:06] <Myrtti> after school clubs have to be organised by someone else than the school in Finland
[12:06] <Myrtti> and school dinners are free
[12:06] <Myrtti> whoever organises said clubs can ask for a fee
[12:09] <diplo> School dinners are free ( this year, wasn't that way last year ) up to year 2, so I only have to pay for one
[12:09] <diplo> But the one who gets it free prefers packed lunch :/
[12:14] <Myrtti> kids in Finland would get a letter to home if they'd come in with a packed lunch :-/
[12:14] <Myrtti> talking of lunches, I just learned about Hartley's jelly cups
[12:14] <Myrtti> well I have noticed them before but hadn't tried one before
[12:15] <Myrtti> surprisingly nice
[12:20] <diplo> Seen them, never tried them
[12:20] <knightwise> Ghahhh ! You evil taxman you !
[12:21] <knightwise> Taking away hard earned money from my beloved little startup
[12:38] <diddledan> oh dear. I got a colleague rattled by deleting files which he needed to stay
[13:07] <DJones> Is there an easy way to convert .pdf to an excel/openoffice calc file?
[13:08] <brobostigon> open the pdf in openoffice, then save/export it into a different format?
[13:10] <foobarry> copy paste
[13:10] <DJones> That doesn't work (at least using the Windows version, just opens the file in Draw)
[13:12] <DJones> Just trying an online converter
[13:13] <Myrtti> excuse me while I squee, but wedding shoes just arrived in mail
[13:14] <Myrtti> *squee*
[13:14] <Myrtti> there, done.
[15:21] <NET||abuse> I'm having an absolute 'mare here, laptop keyabord, coffee spill, touchpad was out for a day, then started working again, everything else seems fine except the return key. external or onscreen keyboard is the only way I can keep working.
[15:21] <NET||abuse> anybody have any tips on fixing a single key on a keyboard. mechanically seems fine.
[15:21] <NET||abuse> dont know what i could have done to have just 1 key no work.
[18:58] <BigRedS> what sort of keyboard is it? And when it doesn't work, do you mean it just doesn't appear to send any keypresses?
[19:00] <zmoylan-pi> the old crumbs in the keyboard problem?
[19:01] <daftykins> never heard a better candidate for percussive maintenance
[19:12] <SuperEngineer> there's a way to stop crumbs, pizza bits, fag ash et al gettinhg into your keyboard
[19:13] <directhex> don't use a keyboard, type via telepathy
[19:13] <SuperEngineer> ...stick keyboard to ceiling... after tyring todo anything on it after that...
[19:13] <SuperEngineer> all other probs seem simple!
[19:14] <daftykins> could just get the flat surface medical keyboards i saw recently at the hospital
[19:14] <daftykins> they looked pretty weird though, i doubt feedback is very good
[19:15] <SuperEngineer> or a good ol' fashioned flimsy heyboard cover?
[19:15] <zmoylan-pi> the don't eat over keyboard option a non goer?
[19:16] <daftykins> even without eating you'll still get lots of dead skin and so on in there
[19:16] <SuperEngineer> or try clingfilm... if you get it right you can still use the keyboard  but if you don't...... ;)
[19:18] <SuperEngineer> [on the other hand get a can of mankind's best friend - air duster!
[19:21] <SuperEngineer> dead skin - use latex gloves! dandruff - use a head cover! runny nose -use a dust mask!
[19:21] <SuperEngineer> ....& don't forgoet to post the picture of the result on the web :)
[19:26] <SuperEngineer> Q/ anyone else finding that Chromium randomly crashes recently? Is it just me?
[19:27] <zmoylan-pi> a full hazmat suit to keep dust away from keyboard?
[19:28] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi: not a good idea - the usb ports can't poewer the air blowers
[19:28] <SuperEngineer> *power
[19:48] <ali1234> i've seen some random chrome crashes recently. and some random firefox ones too
[19:48] <ali1234> and by that i mean an above average amount
[20:07] <ali1234> is centos 5.9 still supported?