| Roguehorse | :-) | 02:39 |
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| nhaines | Roguehorse: heya. :) | 02:45 |
| * nhaines is enjoying some miso soup and a cold salad. | 02:45 | |
| nhaines | At least I don't have to worry about my sushi getting cold while I eat the appetizer. | 02:46 |
| ianorlin | wow my internet got really slow | 02:48 |
| ianorlin | good tihng irc still works | 02:48 |
| Roguehorse | I'm cruzing through the LinkedIN forums | 02:51 |
| * ianorlin doesn't like linkedin | 02:51 | |
| Roguehorse | I don't think it's too bad - better than FB | 02:56 |
| Roguehorse | but I do prefer IRC or mailing lists | 02:56 |
| Roguehorse | hey, so explain to me bash or dash? | 02:57 |
| Roguehorse | I got the bash update last night that fixed the bug but someone said Ubuntu and derivs didn't need to worry since default is dash and not bash | 02:58 |
| nhaines | Funny, someone on LinkedIn just asked me about that, and I replied. ;) | 02:58 |
| Roguehorse | LOL! brb | 02:59 |
| nhaines | Anyway, whoever said that is wrong. | 02:59 |
| * ianorlin prefers irc to both | 03:02 | |
| Roguehorse | I wondered because all the info pages online say bash is the default but then I run ls and get the linking to dash so I got really confused | 03:03 |
| nhaines | The default is bash, but /bin/sh is only the "default" shell for legacy scripts. | 03:03 |
| nhaines | Well, anything that doesn't *need* bash specifically, anyway. | 03:04 |
| Roguehorse | so everything goes through bash unless it's an old script that points to /bin/sh? | 03:05 |
| nhaines | Yup. Although a lot of startup scripts and other things use /bin/sh. | 03:06 |
| nhaines | Anything you're doing interactively is through bash unless you did something to change it, though. ;) | 03:06 |
| Roguehorse | Got it. I was reading all these people bickering on other lists about the specifics between dash, bash, cgi and web-facing vulnerability | 03:11 |
| nhaines | Yeah, any web script using /bin/sh is set. | 03:12 |
| Roguehorse | I thnk they should cut they guy who found ita check for finding a bug that been around for 2-1/2 decades ;-) | 03:12 |
| nhaines | Or, anyone who applied yesterday's and todays updates is also all set. | 03:12 |
| nhaines | Heh, well, it's happened before. :) | 03:12 |
| Roguehorse | I try to pass examples along like this to people who are just learning how to write programs and get frustrated with having bugs in their first 1 or 2 programs | 03:13 |
| Roguehorse | it's normal and bugs get found all the time, even from the best programmers decades later | 03:14 |
| nhaines | "LOL guys, remember that time every Linux distro ever was vulnerable for 25 years?" | 03:15 |
| nhaines | Well, the key lesson is that it was found and fixed immediately, pretty much everywhere, because bash is Free Software. | 03:15 |
| Roguehorse | ;-P | 03:15 |
| Roguehorse | and fixed FAST I must say, it was pretty amazing I think | 03:15 |
| nhaines | Well, they don't make the announcements until after the fix is ready. | 03:16 |
| nhaines | But no hoping a software vendor might care enough to fix it, no waiting for Patch Tuesday. Everyone collaborates and coordinates a fix across hundreds of thousands of machines. | 03:16 |
| Roguehorse | oooh :-o | 03:17 |
| nhaines | But yeah, Red Hat, Novell, Canonical, IBM, Microsoft, they all coordinate responses to these security things. | 03:17 |
| Roguehorse | Yeah, but no ones going to pay attention to that - they're just going to remember the 26 year vulnerability | 03:18 |
| nhaines | Those aren't the people who matter. :) | 03:18 |
| Roguehorse | I like the way you think :-) | 03:19 |
| Roguehorse | I had a VP tell me I should be learning Python instead of Perl - sort of | 03:19 |
| nhaines | I mean, the OpenSSH thing three years back was pretty crazy. But that got fixed very quick. | 03:20 |
| nhaines | Roguehorse: he's right. | 03:20 |
| Roguehorse | shit | 03:20 |
| Roguehorse | OMG! Heartbleed has caused a whirlwind of changes globally | 03:21 |
| nhaines | Python is like executable pseudocode. It's amazing. http://xkcd.com/353/ | 03:21 |
| darthrobot | Title: [xkcd: Python] | 03:21 |
| Roguehorse | I've fiddled with it (and Ruby too) | 03:21 |
| ianorlin | I like that python has ** for exponentiation | 03:21 |
| nhaines | from __future__ import braces | 03:22 |
| Roguehorse | nhaines: have you done any Perl? | 03:26 |
| nhaines | Well I did sneeze while typing once. It looked very much like perl. | 03:27 |
| Roguehorse | https://xkcd.com/208/ | 03:29 |
| darthrobot | Title: [xkcd: Regular Expressions] | 03:29 |
| Roguehorse | LOL! | 03:30 |
| ianorlin | grep ^<\ | 03:30 |
| ianorlin | yay new commit to dependsdiff | 03:31 |
| nhaines | "Some people, when confronted with a problem, think 'I know, I'll use regular expressions.' Now they have two problems." --Jamie Zawinski | 03:31 |
| Roguehorse | Ah! https://xkcd.com/1171/ | 03:32 |
| darthrobot | Title: [xkcd: Perl Problems] | 03:32 |
| nhaines | LOL | 03:33 |
| Roguehorse | I'll admit it can get pretty weird | 03:33 |
| Roguehorse | but I'd rather write Perl than Java | 03:33 |
| Roguehorse | You "really" think Python is more marketable these days? | 03:34 |
| ianorlin | If everyone has an integer number of problems n and then using regular expressions causes them to have n+1 one problems and always use regular expressions any number greater of n problems would be ture if using regular expressions caused n+1 problems | 03:34 |
| nhaines | I think python is extremely powerful and expressive and lets you get things done that work the first or second time. | 03:35 |
| Roguehorse | Hmm | 03:36 |
| nhaines | Also when I emailed Guido van Rossum and thanked him for making programming fun again, he emailed me back with a short note 20 minutes later which was amazeballs. | 03:37 |
| Roguehorse | You're BS'ing | 03:38 |
| nhaines | Nope. I was pretty pleased. | 03:38 |
| Roguehorse | That's cool ;-) | 03:50 |
| Roguehorse | It's interesting how a person can tell what a predominant programming language is by the number of books on the subject | 03:51 |
| nhaines | Ooh, if I had known about this when I worked at Western Digital I would have printed it and placed it on all of the level 2 techs' desks: http://www.jwz.org/doc/backups.html | 03:53 |
| darthrobot | Title: [Backups] | 03:53 |
| Roguehorse | freakin' Google Apps in Python http://it-ebooks.info/book/150/ | 03:53 |
| darthrobot | Title: [Using Google App Engine - Free Download eBook - pdf] | 03:53 |
| Roguehorse | :-D that link was good! I have to save that. | 03:58 |
| Roguehorse | To be honest I've never understood why someone would RAID a desktop and not have some sort of backup/archive | 04:03 |
| nhaines | Roguehorse: because people thing RAID is a backup. | 04:20 |
| Roguehorse | and this whole time I just thought I wasn't "getting" it ;-) | 04:23 |
| nhaines | I had the conversation over and over and over again on the phones with customers. :) | 04:24 |
| Roguehorse | and I bet they all told you that you don't know what you're talking about, right? | 04:49 |
| Roguehorse | because if a person runs a couple of Raptors on RAID then that *is* their backup - right? | 04:51 |
| Roguehorse | Yay! \o/ I have Don Marti as a connection on LinkedIN https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Marti | 04:53 |
| darthrobot | Title: [Don Marti - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia] | 04:53 |
| Roguehorse | =) | 23:24 |
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