| Squirm | morning | 05:54 |
|---|---|---|
| Squirm | Maaz: tell Kilos I say good morning | 05:54 |
| Maaz | Squirm: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode | 05:54 |
| bduk1 | More almal | 07:00 |
| Squirm | morning | 07:06 |
| Squirm | hey miles | 07:11 |
| miles | sjoe | 07:13 |
| miles | hi Squirm on another old pc here so i can come online | 07:13 |
| === miles is now known as Kilos | ||
| Kilos | flippin uefi stuff makes me sukkel | 07:15 |
| Kilos | do large dfrives all want windows first? | 07:18 |
| Kilos | morning everyone else | 07:18 |
| Kilos | my new install gets to where you enter password then hangs | 07:20 |
| Kilos | oh just very slow it seems | 07:20 |
| Kilos | hi StonedAlchemist | 07:23 |
| StonedAlchemist | Good morning, Kilos | 07:24 |
| StonedAlchemist | Are you worried about the shellshock bug? | 07:30 |
| StonedAlchemist | Seems like all everybody is talking about on the webs. | 07:32 |
| Kilos | im just worried about getting ubuntu onto my new 1TB drive | 07:36 |
| Kilos | what a mission | 07:46 |
| StonedAlchemist | Isn't there a partition copier ? | 07:54 |
| bushtech | Kilos: Are you doing a completely new install on a new drive or are you trying to get an existing installation onto a new drive? | 07:57 |
| StonedAlchemist | <bushtech> Kilos: Are you doing a completely new install on a new drive or are you trying to get an existing installation onto a new drive? | 08:14 |
| Kilos | new install on new 1TB drive | 08:15 |
| Kilos | but something not happy, had to enable network stack in bios just to see the thing | 08:16 |
| Kilos | that enabled uefi whatever that might be | 08:16 |
| Kilos | and i gotta sort piping for water in the lands as well | 08:16 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 08:16 |
| Kilos | another bad head day coming | 08:16 |
| StonedAlchemist | good luck Kilos | 08:19 |
| Kilos | ty StonedAlchemist i need it i think, just remembered something about gpt as well | 08:33 |
| Kilos | i think thats what replaces mbr | 08:33 |
| Kilos | and when it eventuall boots after 20 mins or more into the fresh install i get 640x480 resoluion only | 08:40 |
| Kilos | grrrr | 08:40 |
| Kilos | google gonna have a field day with me | 08:40 |
| Kilos | morning superfly | 09:13 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 09:24 |
| theblazehen | Hi Kilos superfly | 09:47 |
| Kilos | hi theblazehen | 09:47 |
| superfly | hi theblazehen | 09:53 |
| Squirm | hey | 10:48 |
| Squirm | Cape Tonians | 10:48 |
| Squirm | I'm looking for a house share, need to move in at the end of October. Please let me know if you happen to hear of anything | 10:49 |
| Squirm | say Claremont - Muizenburg and around to Fish Hoel | 10:49 |
| Squirm | s/Hoel/Hoek | 10:49 |
| superfly | Squirm: There are a number of newer houses in Muizenberg area (Capricorn park, Sunrise beach) which are usually fairly cheap | 11:26 |
| charl | good afternoon | 12:24 |
| charl | Maaz: coffee on | 12:24 |
| * Maaz washes some mugs | 12:24 | |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl! | 12:28 |
| charl | Maaz: thanks | 12:37 |
| Maaz | charl: No problem | 12:37 |
| Joe_knock | Maaz: Hello | 12:43 |
| * Maaz waves to Joe_knock | 12:43 | |
| Joe_knock | Hi guys. | 12:43 |
| Squirm | superfly: they look good. I see 2 bedroom places for a good price. problem is I'll need to share | 12:46 |
| charl | hey Joe_knock, Squirm | 13:38 |
| Joe_knock | Where you headed? Squirm | 13:39 |
| Kilos | hi Joe_knock that fix worked hey | 13:49 |
| Joe_knock | Kilos: Yes, dankie oom. | 13:50 |
| Kilos | hi charl you jinxed me wishing me luck with an install | 13:50 |
| Kilos | erry is a clever very helpful chick | 13:51 |
| Kilos | i did nothing | 13:51 |
| charl | Kilos: it didn't end up going well ? | 14:02 |
| charl | who's erry? | 14:02 |
| Kilos | eryy has become errieta, an op at #freenode | 14:03 |
| Kilos | nope still battling charl | 14:03 |
| Kilos | installs were slowest every and reboot took like 20 mins | 14:03 |
| Kilos | im now trying something different | 14:04 |
| charl | ah :( | 14:04 |
| Kilos | installed xp the gonna install ubuntu and point grub to sda1 not sda | 14:04 |
| Kilos | im actually very disappointed in the new drive | 14:05 |
| Kilos | 14:06 | |
| Squirm | hey charl | 14:06 |
| Squirm | Joe_knock: Southern Suburbs | 14:06 |
| Kilos | Rif i didnt need the space to do data recoveries on my 500g id give it to ian to use on windows | 14:07 |
| Kilos | sorry that R was meant to be control r not shift r | 14:12 |
| Kilos | im not sure if its a gpt or mbr drive yet | 14:15 |
| Joe_knock | Do you guys know where I can pick up a good priced RaspPi in PTA? | 14:17 |
| superfly | Joe_knock: check rscomponents | 14:28 |
| superfly | they have a .za branch | 14:28 |
| bushtech | and they deliver | 14:29 |
| Joe_knock | superfly: Have you built any devices with the Pi? | 14:35 |
| charl | hi superfly | 14:50 |
| superfly | Joe_knock: no, I'm keeping it for one of my sons | 14:50 |
| superfly | hi charl | 14:50 |
| charl | Joe_knock: have you looked at any one of the alternatives to the pi ? | 14:52 |
| Joe_knock | charl: I've spoken to the folks over at the #raspberry room. I don't think an arduino will be able to act as a "server" to render a live-stream from. | 14:53 |
| charl | things like the beagleboard, udoo, banana pi, hummingboard etc | 14:53 |
| charl | ah | 14:53 |
| Joe_knock | charl: Do you have any suggestions for an alternate micro-server to serve live-video feed for? | 14:54 |
| charl | have you looked at the mikromedia boards? http://www.mikroe.com/mikromedia/ | 14:56 |
| charl | there's also boards like the pcduino http://www.pcduino.com/ | 14:57 |
| Joe_knock | charl: The mikromedia stuff is expensive :O | 14:58 |
| charl | the cheapest boards start at $99 | 14:59 |
| charl | that's definitely on the higher end | 14:59 |
| charl | but it's for multimedia applications | 15:00 |
| Joe_knock | charl: My objective isn't so much for the quality of the feed, it is basically for live-streaming from any quality to able to distinguish what is happening/activity within the cameras view. | 15:01 |
| charl | ah, no idea how much processing you would need then | 15:01 |
| charl | raspberry pi is slow but it's still one of the cheap(er) options | 15:02 |
| Joe_knock | good point there charl. So a Pi will give me a slow feed even via localhost? | 15:03 |
| charl | i have no idea, you'll have to try and see | 15:04 |
| charl | my friend had one about a year ago in the office | 15:04 |
| charl | we tested some stuff but it was very disappointing | 15:04 |
| Joe_knock | Interesting. | 15:05 |
| charl | i think he ended up buying a cubieboard instead | 15:05 |
| Joe_knock | I could instead just make the Pi take a still image when I visit the local site. | 15:05 |
| charl | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubieboard | 15:05 |
| charl | just try it and see, best thing is to run real world benchmarks | 15:06 |
| charl | this is also quite cool http://www.nx-box.net/ | 15:07 |
| charl | they also host cubieboards but there is another company that started hosting pi's before them http://raspberrycolocation.com/ | 15:07 |
| charl | there's a huge list of options http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_single-board_computers | 15:08 |
| Joe_knock | charl: Why do you suggest I get Pi hosting? I'm a bit unclear on that. | 15:09 |
| charl | Joe_knock: it's probably not what you are looking for, i just found that now by accident while googling | 15:10 |
| charl | am actually thinking of it for myself though | 15:10 |
| Joe_knock | aah okay. | 15:10 |
| charl | ah yes this is what i was looking for: https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/ | 15:10 |
| charl | olimex makes amazing stuff | 15:10 |
| charl | i don't have any experience with them directly but one of my other colleagues was talking about it a while back | 15:11 |
| Joe_knock | that is amazing! They're more OSS than the Pi. | 15:13 |
| charl | you see this is a good deal for 65 euro https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A20/A20-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB/open-source-hardware | 15:15 |
| charl | the specs are not bad | 15:15 |
| charl | that would make a decent home server | 15:15 |
| charl | i can connect a full hd screen to that thing via hdmi | 15:15 |
| charl | 100mbps native ethernet with 1gb ram should be enough to play most videos | 15:15 |
| charl | just stream stuff live across the internet | 15:15 |
| charl | i'm not sure if the processor is up to it but it looks promising | 15:16 |
| charl | although, a dual core arm running at 1ghz is not bad | 15:17 |
| charl | and then you even have a gpu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_(GPU) | 15:17 |
| charl | yeah interesting stuff... ok need to go take a shower... bbl | 15:20 |
| Private_User | evening all | 17:30 |
| Private_User | has anybody read this http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-29361794 ? | 17:30 |
| StonedAlchemist | Yeah it's been all over linux forums and reddit for the past couple of days. | 17:42 |
| Joe_knock | I think most Nix folks have updated by now | 17:44 |
| Joe_knock | (I hope...) | 17:44 |
| StonedAlchemist | Yeah all the knowlegable ones I suppose. | 17:45 |
| Joe_knock | sheet, I thought my update yesterday fixed it, there was another patch it seems. | 17:45 |
| StonedAlchemist | But I would think there will be quite a few exploitable boxes somewhere. | 17:45 |
| Joe_knock | Most likely servers are first targets. | 17:46 |
| Kilos | evening all. murphy really made himself at home here. new 1TB drive has a bad sector in some important place | 18:16 |
| Kilos | i dug out my seatools cd and ran tests and it failed | 18:16 |
| Kilos | no wonder i cant get to install ubuntu on it | 18:17 |
| Joe_knock | murphy? | 18:20 |
| gremble | He is out making sure we all follow his law | 18:21 |
| Joe_knock | oh that murphy | 18:24 |
| gremble | Haha I dunno, I am probably just talking bollocks | 18:27 |
| * Kilos hates murphy | 18:42 | |
| Kilos | he even broke my first new hard drive | 18:42 |
| Kilos | hellooo inetpro | 18:43 |
| Kilos | and my fly | 18:43 |
| Kilos | i dont think there will be a warranty replacement prob when its 2 days old hey | 18:44 |
| gremble | Probably not. Unless you got it from the dodgy guy that sells the Chinese cellphone parts | 18:48 |
| Kilos | lol no man from importers of pc stuffs | 18:52 |
| Kilos | luckily i have a seatools cd that could do the tests. one doesnt expect a new drive to be faulty | 18:53 |
| Kilos | so only after over a days struggling and googling i decided to check the drive | 18:54 |
| Kilos | what a low blow | 18:54 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 19:11 |
| Wraz | Inet pro used to do graphics in #programming on the old zanet | 19:38 |
| StonedAlchemist | wow zanet. Now that's a name I havne't heard in a long time. Does it still exists? | 19:58 |
| Joe_knock | Zanet would be the SA server? | 20:08 |
| StonedAlchemist | Yeah an old one | 20:08 |
| StonedAlchemist | It's still there but seems to be dying. | 20:09 |
| Joe_knock | Dying in SA terms would be like 30 people left on it?? | 20:09 |
| StonedAlchemist | Yeah | 20:10 |
| StonedAlchemist | It's a shame actually. | 20:11 |
| Joe_knock | Our tech community is too small and too Windows to care for IRC ;) | 20:12 |
| StonedAlchemist | Nah I don't think that's the case. There is a fair amount of linux people in SA and we have at least 2 IRC networks of which I know that are doing well namely shadowfire and atrum. | 20:15 |
| StonedAlchemist | But yeah, compared to the rest of the world we're not doing too great. | 20:16 |
| StonedAlchemist | A lack of decent science and technology education is greatly to blame here. | 20:17 |
| StonedAlchemist | Also a lack of everything. | 20:17 |
| gremble | It is certainly a lack of everything | 20:24 |
| gremble | :P | 20:24 |
| gremble | The university only resorts to teach us Linux because setting up proper GCC compiler on windows is a schlep | 20:25 |
| StonedAlchemist | Everything is a schlep on windows. | 20:26 |
| gremble | I am trying to find out why this laptop is not booting. BSOD's on startup | 20:27 |
| gremble | But windows is nice enough not to have verbose logs | 20:27 |
| gremble | Yay for silent failures | 20:28 |
| StonedAlchemist | Here at Microsoft we believe that ignorance is bliss. That way we can make your problems even worse for you. :) | 20:30 |
| gremble | Hahaha | 20:30 |
| StonedAlchemist | I have to sleep now. Cheers. | 20:31 |
| gremble | Good night StonedAlchemist | 20:33 |
| Joe_knock | we're certainly lacking water hmmphh | 20:42 |
| gremble | I have filled up every container capable of having volume with water | 20:47 |
| gremble | For that eventuality | 20:47 |
| Joe_knock | I'm going on 5 days here. | 21:03 |
| gremble | Oh my | 21:03 |
| gremble | That sucks | 21:03 |
| gremble | Our lights were off for five days once | 21:03 |
| gremble | The Freezer did not smell nice afterward | 21:03 |
| Joe_knock | Some folks in JHB are going on 10+ days without water. | 21:03 |
| Joe_knock | Everyone is saying something fishy is going on with Rand Water and co. | 21:04 |
| Joe_knock | 5 days? Yikes. did you have internet withdrawals? :P | 21:04 |
| gremble | The entire 2012 I had no internet | 21:06 |
| gremble | Haha | 21:06 |
| gremble | 5 days is nothing | 21:06 |
| gremble | ;P | 21:06 |
| superfly | Last time I had Windows is bordering on 10 year ago. | 21:17 |
| superfly | *years | 21:17 |
| Joe_knock | a whole year without internet :-/ | 21:19 |
| Joe_knock | Maaz: :O | 21:19 |
| Maaz | Joe_knock: What? | 21:19 |
| Joe_knock | superfly: From cape town? | 21:20 |
| gremble | I installed ElementaryOS over my last windows machine wednesday. I never use it and decided to copy all the important files over and kill it | 21:27 |
| gremble | Unfortunately elementaryOS blows | 21:27 |
| Joe_knock | are u using pure ubuntu? | 21:27 |
| gremble | Well, it does not blow. There are some neat stuff about it, but not a fan | 21:28 |
| gremble | Me? | 21:28 |
| Joe_knock | yep | 21:28 |
| gremble | Im actually an Arch noob | 21:28 |
| gremble | :P | 21:28 |
| Joe_knock | are you in GP? There was a FOSS event recently. I couldnt make it. | 21:28 |
| gremble | Ya. Software Freedom Day? | 21:29 |
| gremble | I was there | 21:29 |
| Joe_knock | Didnt see any grembles on the meetup page :'D | 21:30 |
| gremble | Haha Didn't see any Joe-knocks on the facebook event :P | 21:31 |
| superfly | Joe_knock: yes, I am | 21:31 |
| Joe_knock | Good to see you here superfly ;) | 21:31 |
| Joe_knock | facebook :O What is that :O | 21:32 |
| superfly | I've been around here for a while... probably longer than you... | 21:32 |
| Joe_knock | Most likely superfly. I only found this place a couple months ago. | 21:33 |
| superfly | this channel was registered in 2005, and I think I probably joined that year too... | 21:34 |
| Joe_knock | superfly: What is the state of Python in the employment market? | 21:35 |
| superfly | depends on where you are and what you're doing, I guess | 21:35 |
| superfly | My current job and my previous job were both Python positions. | 21:36 |
| superfly | I know of a couple of companies here in Cape Town that use Python | 21:36 |
| Joe_knock | I know of too few here in GP. | 21:37 |
| superfly | Joe_knock: are you on the GPUG (GTPUG?) mailing list? | 21:38 |
| Joe_knock | you mean the google group? | 21:38 |
| superfly | ja | 21:38 |
| Joe_knock | yep. | 21:38 |
| superfly | that's probably the best way to find out about Python jobs in your area | 21:39 |
| Joe_knock | Makes sense. I'm sure there'll be some interesting discussion at PyCon about the community. | 21:40 |
| superfly | you going? | 21:41 |
| Joe_knock | I may. I'm not too pleased about how expensive it is. | 21:42 |
| superfly | *sigh* so much NIH syndrome | 21:44 |
| Joe_knock | You can't exactly refer to the event as NIH. | 21:45 |
| superfly | no, I just know the company who originally did the web site, and how they arrived at where they are... and it's all about NIH | 21:46 |
| superfly | One of the reasons I never went to PyConZA when it was down here... the other being cost, as you mentioned. | 21:46 |
| Joe_knock | so I'm not the only one who feels R1000 is a bit much? | 21:47 |
| superfly | it's way over the top, if you ask me... but then again, ScaleConf is the same amount | 21:47 |
| gremble | Why do you have to pay so much to attend? | 21:48 |
| superfly | although I've heard that ScaleConf is falling apart since vhata left | 21:48 |
| superfly | gremble: because the sponsors aren't sponsoring the venue, I think | 21:48 |
| superfly | it's always the venue that costs a lot. the snacks, refreshments, t-shirts, etc are nothing compared to the venue | 21:49 |
| Joe_knock | Based on US figures, it is *kinda* cheap: https://us.pycon.org/2014/registration/ . But the US event is much bigger, like WAY bigger. | 21:49 |
| gremble | Oh. That is unfortunate | 21:50 |
| gremble | :/ | 21:50 |
| Joe_knock | superfly is definitely on the money for the venue: "the forum │ the campus is situated in a serene environment surrounded by beautiful gardens and courtyards, and is a 5–star venue featuring state-of-the-art technology and impressive examples of South African art and architecture. It's an ideal space for Africans to gather and discuss Python." | 21:50 |
| gremble | I wouldnt mind attending a conference like that, It could be informative | 21:51 |
| gremble | Firefox hides options ;/ | 21:51 |
| gremble | I want to change the search engine since AVG is a piece of poop that infects browsers | 21:52 |
| Joe_knock | gremble: I hope attendance is good, even with the price. If the venue is genuinely the main expense, then the costs should be fair. | 21:52 |
| Joe_knock | why are you on AVG on *nix? gremble | 21:53 |
| superfly | Joe_knock: this is what I mean when I say too much NIH. The US PyCon site runs http://eldarion.com/symposion/ as do a bunch others, but the local guys decided they didn't like it so they rolled their own... | 21:54 |
| gremble | Joe_knock: Im not. I have a windows 'puter infront of me to try and save | 21:54 |
| superfly | oh... | 21:54 |
| superfly | gremble: my instinct is to install Linux on it | 21:54 |
| gremble | Haha As is mine | 21:55 |
| gremble | But it looks like it has a Broadcom WiFi card | 21:55 |
| gremble | and it probably has one of those fancy new efi-locked BIOSes | 21:55 |
| gremble | and I am not going to sit through that nightmare | 21:55 |
| Joe_knock | superfly: who originally built the pycon site? | 21:55 |
| superfly | pycon or pyconza ? | 21:56 |
| Joe_knock | pyconza | 21:56 |
| superfly | Unomena | 21:56 |
| Joe_knock | I've never heard of Scaleconf before, let me go check it out. | 21:57 |
| bushtech | anybody know why I fail to connect to extras.ubuntu.com:http: ? | 22:15 |
| bushtech | nm. on the umpteenth try it connected | 22:17 |
| Joe_knock | bushtech: this works = http://extras.ubuntu.com/ | 22:17 |
| bushtech | Joe_knock: : thanks. I just wrote it as it appeared onscreen | 22:17 |
| Joe_knock | aah | 22:18 |
| bushtech | prob dodgy update server or my connection | 22:18 |
| Joe_knock | bushtech: what are you attempting? | 22:20 |
| bushtech | http://itsfoss.com/things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-14-04/ - doing bits out of this | 22:21 |
| Joe_knock | i dont see the part you're at. | 22:24 |
| bushtech | sudo add-apt-repository ppa:linrunner/tlp | 22:25 |
| bushtech | I think it popped up somewhere in there | 22:26 |
| Joe_knock | i see you're doing updates on mobile too. | 22:29 |
| bushtech | It's on a zbox: hoping it will run cooler, etc | 22:30 |
| Joe_knock | are u running multiple ubuntu boxes? | 22:34 |
| superfly | ... when your SSH session starts lagging... | 22:36 |
| bushtech | Joe_knock: 3 but 1 on 1204 and one on Kubuntu 1204 | 22:36 |
| Joe_knock | superfly: Is it possible that a person can not enjoy writing code in a language where it is difficult to understand? | 22:36 |
| superfly | I don't see why not | 22:37 |
| Joe_knock | bushtech: I learnt a nifty technique where you can keep the 12.04 boxes updated with a single download. | 22:37 |
| bushtech | dont see that it will help me but am interested in how it works | 22:38 |
| Joe_knock | bushtech: even though you have kubuntu and ubuntu 12.04, it will still work (presumably) | 22:38 |
| superfly | for the most part | 22:39 |
| bushtech | normally yes but the kubuntu box has got lmce sitting on top of it and that has specific dependancies | 22:40 |
| Joe_knock | aah, the complexity thickens | 22:40 |
| bushtech | lol, doen't it allways | 22:40 |
| superfly | if you can apt-get it, you can use apt-cacher-ng on it | 22:41 |
| Joe_knock | im going to have a whirlwind when I eventually get a new machine. 64-bit, 14.04 :'D | 22:41 |
| * bushtech reading up on apt-cacher | 22:44 | |
| Joe_knock | apt-cacher? I used scp | 22:44 |
| superfly | I better get to bed, I'm on baby duty tonight | 22:46 |
| bushtech | good luck superfly | 22:47 |
| superfly | piece of cake the third time round | 22:47 |
| bushtech | for your sake i hope so | 22:48 |
| Wraz | Zanet is still there ? o0 | 23:28 |
| Wraz | Wow did not know I need to go visit my old hangouts there ! :D | 23:28 |
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