[05:54] morning [05:54] Maaz: tell Kilos I say good morning [05:54] Squirm: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [07:00] More almal [07:06] morning [07:11] hey miles [07:13] sjoe [07:13] hi Squirm on another old pc here so i can come online === miles is now known as Kilos [07:15] flippin uefi stuff makes me sukkel [07:18] do large dfrives all want windows first? [07:18] morning everyone else [07:20] my new install gets to where you enter password then hangs [07:20] oh just very slow it seems [07:23] hi StonedAlchemist [07:24] Good morning, Kilos [07:30] Are you worried about the shellshock bug? [07:32] Seems like all everybody is talking about on the webs. [07:36] im just worried about getting ubuntu onto my new 1TB drive [07:46] what a mission [07:54] Isn't there a partition copier ? [07:57] Kilos: Are you doing a completely new install on a new drive or are you trying to get an existing installation onto a new drive? [08:14] Kilos: Are you doing a completely new install on a new drive or are you trying to get an existing installation onto a new drive? [08:15] new install on new 1TB drive [08:16] but something not happy, had to enable network stack in bios just to see the thing [08:16] that enabled uefi whatever that might be [08:16] and i gotta sort piping for water in the lands as well [08:16] sjoe [08:16] another bad head day coming [08:19] good luck Kilos [08:33] ty StonedAlchemist i need it i think, just remembered something about gpt as well [08:33] i think thats what replaces mbr [08:40] and when it eventuall boots after 20 mins or more into the fresh install i get 640x480 resoluion only [08:40] grrrr [08:40] google gonna have a field day with me [09:13] morning superfly [09:24] hi Kilos [09:47] Hi Kilos superfly [09:47] hi theblazehen [09:53] hi theblazehen [10:48] hey [10:48] Cape Tonians [10:49] I'm looking for a house share, need to move in at the end of October. Please let me know if you happen to hear of anything [10:49] say Claremont - Muizenburg and around to Fish Hoel [10:49] s/Hoel/Hoek [11:26] Squirm: There are a number of newer houses in Muizenberg area (Capricorn park, Sunrise beach) which are usually fairly cheap [12:24] good afternoon [12:24] Maaz: coffee on [12:24] * Maaz washes some mugs [12:28] Coffee's ready for charl! [12:37] Maaz: thanks [12:37] charl: No problem [12:43] Maaz: Hello [12:43] * Maaz waves to Joe_knock [12:43] Hi guys. [12:46] superfly: they look good. I see 2 bedroom places for a good price. problem is I'll need to share [13:38] hey Joe_knock, Squirm [13:39] Where you headed? Squirm [13:49] hi Joe_knock that fix worked hey [13:50] Kilos: Yes, dankie oom. [13:50] hi charl you jinxed me wishing me luck with an install [13:51] erry is a clever very helpful chick [13:51] i did nothing [14:02] Kilos: it didn't end up going well ? [14:02] who's erry? [14:03] eryy has become errieta, an op at #freenode [14:03] nope still battling charl [14:03] installs were slowest every and reboot took like 20 mins [14:04] im now trying something different [14:04] ah :( [14:04] installed xp the gonna install ubuntu and point grub to sda1 not sda [14:05] im actually very disappointed in the new drive [14:06] [14:06] hey charl [14:06] Joe_knock: Southern Suburbs [14:07] Rif i didnt need the space to do data recoveries on my 500g id give it to ian to use on windows [14:12] sorry that R was meant to be control r not shift r [14:15] im not sure if its a gpt or mbr drive yet [14:17] Do you guys know where I can pick up a good priced RaspPi in PTA? [14:28] Joe_knock: check rscomponents [14:28] they have a .za branch [14:29] and they deliver [14:35] superfly: Have you built any devices with the Pi? [14:50] hi superfly [14:50] Joe_knock: no, I'm keeping it for one of my sons [14:50] hi charl [14:52] Joe_knock: have you looked at any one of the alternatives to the pi ? [14:53] charl: I've spoken to the folks over at the #raspberry room. I don't think an arduino will be able to act as a "server" to render a live-stream from. [14:53] things like the beagleboard, udoo, banana pi, hummingboard etc [14:53] ah [14:54] charl: Do you have any suggestions for an alternate micro-server to serve live-video feed for? [14:56] have you looked at the mikromedia boards? http://www.mikroe.com/mikromedia/ [14:57] there's also boards like the pcduino http://www.pcduino.com/ [14:58] charl: The mikromedia stuff is expensive :O [14:59] the cheapest boards start at $99 [14:59] that's definitely on the higher end [15:00] but it's for multimedia applications [15:01] charl: My objective isn't so much for the quality of the feed, it is basically for live-streaming from any quality to able to distinguish what is happening/activity within the cameras view. [15:01] ah, no idea how much processing you would need then [15:02] raspberry pi is slow but it's still one of the cheap(er) options [15:03] good point there charl. So a Pi will give me a slow feed even via localhost? [15:04] i have no idea, you'll have to try and see [15:04] my friend had one about a year ago in the office [15:04] we tested some stuff but it was very disappointing [15:05] Interesting. [15:05] i think he ended up buying a cubieboard instead [15:05] I could instead just make the Pi take a still image when I visit the local site. [15:05] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubieboard [15:06] just try it and see, best thing is to run real world benchmarks [15:07] this is also quite cool http://www.nx-box.net/ [15:07] they also host cubieboards but there is another company that started hosting pi's before them http://raspberrycolocation.com/ [15:08] there's a huge list of options http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_single-board_computers [15:09] charl: Why do you suggest I get Pi hosting? I'm a bit unclear on that. [15:10] Joe_knock: it's probably not what you are looking for, i just found that now by accident while googling [15:10] am actually thinking of it for myself though [15:10] aah okay. [15:10] ah yes this is what i was looking for: https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/ [15:10] olimex makes amazing stuff [15:11] i don't have any experience with them directly but one of my other colleagues was talking about it a while back [15:13] that is amazing! They're more OSS than the Pi. [15:15] you see this is a good deal for 65 euro https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A20/A20-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB/open-source-hardware [15:15] the specs are not bad [15:15] that would make a decent home server [15:15] i can connect a full hd screen to that thing via hdmi [15:15] 100mbps native ethernet with 1gb ram should be enough to play most videos [15:15] just stream stuff live across the internet [15:16] i'm not sure if the processor is up to it but it looks promising [15:17] although, a dual core arm running at 1ghz is not bad [15:17] and then you even have a gpu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_(GPU) [15:20] yeah interesting stuff... ok need to go take a shower... bbl [17:30] evening all [17:30] has anybody read this http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-29361794 ? [17:42] Yeah it's been all over linux forums and reddit for the past couple of days. [17:44] I think most Nix folks have updated by now [17:44] (I hope...) [17:45] Yeah all the knowlegable ones I suppose. [17:45] sheet, I thought my update yesterday fixed it, there was another patch it seems. [17:45] But I would think there will be quite a few exploitable boxes somewhere. [17:46] Most likely servers are first targets. [18:16] evening all. murphy really made himself at home here. new 1TB drive has a bad sector in some important place [18:16] i dug out my seatools cd and ran tests and it failed [18:17] no wonder i cant get to install ubuntu on it [18:20] murphy? [18:21] He is out making sure we all follow his law [18:24] oh that murphy [18:27] Haha I dunno, I am probably just talking bollocks [18:42] * Kilos hates murphy [18:42] he even broke my first new hard drive [18:43] hellooo inetpro [18:43] and my fly [18:44] i dont think there will be a warranty replacement prob when its 2 days old hey [18:48] Probably not. Unless you got it from the dodgy guy that sells the Chinese cellphone parts [18:52] lol no man from importers of pc stuffs [18:53] luckily i have a seatools cd that could do the tests. one doesnt expect a new drive to be faulty [18:54] so only after over a days struggling and googling i decided to check the drive [18:54] what a low blow [19:11] night all. sleep tight [19:38] Inet pro used to do graphics in #programming on the old zanet [19:58] wow zanet. Now that's a name I havne't heard in a long time. Does it still exists? [20:08] Zanet would be the SA server? [20:08] Yeah an old one [20:09] It's still there but seems to be dying. [20:09] Dying in SA terms would be like 30 people left on it?? [20:10] Yeah [20:11] It's a shame actually. [20:12] Our tech community is too small and too Windows to care for IRC ;) [20:15] Nah I don't think that's the case. There is a fair amount of linux people in SA and we have at least 2 IRC networks of which I know that are doing well namely shadowfire and atrum. [20:16] But yeah, compared to the rest of the world we're not doing too great. [20:17] A lack of decent science and technology education is greatly to blame here. [20:17] Also a lack of everything. [20:24] It is certainly a lack of everything [20:24] :P [20:25] The university only resorts to teach us Linux because setting up proper GCC compiler on windows is a schlep [20:26] Everything is a schlep on windows. [20:27] I am trying to find out why this laptop is not booting. BSOD's on startup [20:27] But windows is nice enough not to have verbose logs [20:28] Yay for silent failures [20:30] Here at Microsoft we believe that ignorance is bliss. That way we can make your problems even worse for you. :) [20:30] Hahaha [20:31] I have to sleep now. Cheers. [20:33] Good night StonedAlchemist [20:42] we're certainly lacking water hmmphh [20:47] I have filled up every container capable of having volume with water [20:47] For that eventuality [21:03] I'm going on 5 days here. [21:03] Oh my [21:03] That sucks [21:03] Our lights were off for five days once [21:03] The Freezer did not smell nice afterward [21:03] Some folks in JHB are going on 10+ days without water. [21:04] Everyone is saying something fishy is going on with Rand Water and co. [21:04] 5 days? Yikes. did you have internet withdrawals? :P [21:06] The entire 2012 I had no internet [21:06] Haha [21:06] 5 days is nothing [21:06] ;P [21:17] Last time I had Windows is bordering on 10 year ago. [21:17] *years [21:19] a whole year without internet :-/ [21:19] Maaz: :O [21:19] Joe_knock: What? [21:20] superfly: From cape town? [21:27] I installed ElementaryOS over my last windows machine wednesday. I never use it and decided to copy all the important files over and kill it [21:27] Unfortunately elementaryOS blows [21:27] are u using pure ubuntu? [21:28] Well, it does not blow. There are some neat stuff about it, but not a fan [21:28] Me? [21:28] yep [21:28] Im actually an Arch noob [21:28] :P [21:28] are you in GP? There was a FOSS event recently. I couldnt make it. [21:29] Ya. Software Freedom Day? [21:29] I was there [21:30] Didnt see any grembles on the meetup page :'D [21:31] Haha Didn't see any Joe-knocks on the facebook event :P [21:31] Joe_knock: yes, I am [21:31] Good to see you here superfly ;) [21:32] facebook :O What is that :O [21:32] I've been around here for a while... probably longer than you... [21:33] Most likely superfly. I only found this place a couple months ago. [21:34] this channel was registered in 2005, and I think I probably joined that year too... [21:35] superfly: What is the state of Python in the employment market? [21:35] depends on where you are and what you're doing, I guess [21:36] My current job and my previous job were both Python positions. [21:36] I know of a couple of companies here in Cape Town that use Python [21:37] I know of too few here in GP. [21:38] Joe_knock: are you on the GPUG (GTPUG?) mailing list? [21:38] you mean the google group? [21:38] ja [21:38] yep. [21:39] that's probably the best way to find out about Python jobs in your area [21:40] Makes sense. I'm sure there'll be some interesting discussion at PyCon about the community. [21:41] you going? [21:42] I may. I'm not too pleased about how expensive it is. [21:44] *sigh* so much NIH syndrome [21:45] You can't exactly refer to the event as NIH. [21:46] no, I just know the company who originally did the web site, and how they arrived at where they are... and it's all about NIH [21:46] One of the reasons I never went to PyConZA when it was down here... the other being cost, as you mentioned. [21:47] so I'm not the only one who feels R1000 is a bit much? [21:47] it's way over the top, if you ask me... but then again, ScaleConf is the same amount [21:48] Why do you have to pay so much to attend? [21:48] although I've heard that ScaleConf is falling apart since vhata left [21:48] gremble: because the sponsors aren't sponsoring the venue, I think [21:49] it's always the venue that costs a lot. the snacks, refreshments, t-shirts, etc are nothing compared to the venue [21:49] Based on US figures, it is *kinda* cheap: https://us.pycon.org/2014/registration/ . But the US event is much bigger, like WAY bigger. [21:50] Oh. That is unfortunate [21:50] :/ [21:50] superfly is definitely on the money for the venue: "the forum │ the campus is situated in a serene environment surrounded by beautiful gardens and courtyards, and is a 5–star venue featuring state-of-the-art technology and impressive examples of South African art and architecture. It's an ideal space for Africans to gather and discuss Python." [21:51] I wouldnt mind attending a conference like that, It could be informative [21:51] Firefox hides options ;/ [21:52] I want to change the search engine since AVG is a piece of poop that infects browsers [21:52] gremble: I hope attendance is good, even with the price. If the venue is genuinely the main expense, then the costs should be fair. [21:53] why are you on AVG on *nix? gremble [21:54] Joe_knock: this is what I mean when I say too much NIH. The US PyCon site runs http://eldarion.com/symposion/ as do a bunch others, but the local guys decided they didn't like it so they rolled their own... [21:54] Joe_knock: Im not. I have a windows 'puter infront of me to try and save [21:54] oh... [21:54] gremble: my instinct is to install Linux on it [21:55] Haha As is mine [21:55] But it looks like it has a Broadcom WiFi card [21:55] and it probably has one of those fancy new efi-locked BIOSes [21:55] and I am not going to sit through that nightmare [21:55] superfly: who originally built the pycon site? [21:56] pycon or pyconza ? [21:56] pyconza [21:56] Unomena [21:57] I've never heard of Scaleconf before, let me go check it out. [22:15] anybody know why I fail to connect to extras.ubuntu.com:http: ? [22:17] nm. on the umpteenth try it connected [22:17] bushtech: this works = http://extras.ubuntu.com/ [22:17] Joe_knock: : thanks. I just wrote it as it appeared onscreen [22:18] aah [22:18] prob dodgy update server or my connection [22:20] bushtech: what are you attempting? [22:21] http://itsfoss.com/things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-14-04/ - doing bits out of this [22:24] i dont see the part you're at. [22:25] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:linrunner/tlp [22:26] I think it popped up somewhere in there [22:29] i see you're doing updates on mobile too. [22:30] It's on a zbox: hoping it will run cooler, etc [22:34] are u running multiple ubuntu boxes? [22:36] ... when your SSH session starts lagging... [22:36] Joe_knock: 3 but 1 on 1204 and one on Kubuntu 1204 [22:36] superfly: Is it possible that a person can not enjoy writing code in a language where it is difficult to understand? [22:37] I don't see why not [22:37] bushtech: I learnt a nifty technique where you can keep the 12.04 boxes updated with a single download. [22:38] dont see that it will help me but am interested in how it works [22:38] bushtech: even though you have kubuntu and ubuntu 12.04, it will still work (presumably) [22:39] for the most part [22:40] normally yes but the kubuntu box has got lmce sitting on top of it and that has specific dependancies [22:40] aah, the complexity thickens [22:40] lol, doen't it allways [22:41] if you can apt-get it, you can use apt-cacher-ng on it [22:41] im going to have a whirlwind when I eventually get a new machine. 64-bit, 14.04 :'D [22:44] * bushtech reading up on apt-cacher [22:44] apt-cacher? I used scp [22:46] I better get to bed, I'm on baby duty tonight [22:47] good luck superfly [22:47] piece of cake the third time round [22:48] for your sake i hope so [23:28] Zanet is still there ? o0 [23:28] Wow did not know I need to go visit my old hangouts there ! :D