[05:54] <Squirm> morning
[05:54] <Squirm> Maaz: tell Kilos I say good morning
[05:54] <Maaz> Squirm: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[07:00] <bduk1> More almal
[07:06] <Squirm> morning
[07:11] <Squirm> hey miles 
[07:13] <miles> sjoe
[07:13] <miles> hi Squirm  on another old pc here so i can come online
[07:15] <Kilos> flippin uefi stuff makes me sukkel
[07:18] <Kilos> do large dfrives all want windows first?
[07:18] <Kilos> morning everyone else
[07:20] <Kilos> my new install gets to where you enter password then hangs
[07:20] <Kilos> oh just very slow it seems
[07:23] <Kilos> hi StonedAlchemist  
[07:24] <StonedAlchemist> Good morning, Kilos 
[07:30] <StonedAlchemist> Are you worried about the shellshock bug?
[07:32] <StonedAlchemist> Seems like all everybody is talking about on the webs.
[07:36] <Kilos> im just worried about getting ubuntu onto my new 1TB drive
[07:46] <Kilos> what a mission
[07:54] <StonedAlchemist> Isn't there a partition copier ?
[07:57] <bushtech> Kilos: Are you doing a completely new install on a new drive or are you trying to get an existing installation onto a new drive?
 Kilos: Are you doing a completely new install on a new drive or are you trying to get an existing installation onto a new drive?
[08:15] <Kilos> new install on new 1TB drive
[08:16] <Kilos> but something not happy, had to enable network stack in bios just to see the thing
[08:16] <Kilos> that enabled uefi whatever that might be
[08:16] <Kilos> and i gotta sort piping for water in the lands as well
[08:16] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:16] <Kilos> another bad head day coming
[08:19] <StonedAlchemist> good luck Kilos 
[08:33] <Kilos> ty StonedAlchemist i need it i think, just remembered something about gpt as well
[08:33] <Kilos> i think thats what replaces mbr
[08:40] <Kilos> and when it eventuall boots after 20 mins or more into the fresh install i get 640x480 resoluion only
[08:40] <Kilos> grrrr
[08:40] <Kilos> google gonna have a field day with me
[09:13] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[09:24] <superfly> hi Kilos
[09:47] <theblazehen> Hi Kilos superfly
[09:47] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[09:53] <superfly> hi theblazehen
[10:48] <Squirm> hey
[10:48] <Squirm> Cape Tonians
[10:49] <Squirm> I'm looking for a house share, need to move in at the end of October. Please let me know if you happen to hear of anything
[10:49] <Squirm> say Claremont - Muizenburg and around to Fish Hoel
[10:49] <Squirm> s/Hoel/Hoek
[11:26] <superfly> Squirm: There are a number of newer houses in Muizenberg area (Capricorn park, Sunrise beach) which are usually fairly cheap
[12:24] <charl> good afternoon
[12:24] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[12:24]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[12:28] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[12:37] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[12:37] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[12:43] <Joe_knock> Maaz: Hello
[12:43]  * Maaz waves to Joe_knock
[12:43] <Joe_knock> Hi guys.
[12:46] <Squirm> superfly: they look good. I see 2 bedroom places for a good price. problem is I'll need to share
[13:38] <charl> hey Joe_knock, Squirm 
[13:39] <Joe_knock> Where you headed? Squirm 
[13:49] <Kilos> hi Joe_knock  that fix worked hey
[13:50] <Joe_knock> Kilos: Yes, dankie oom. 
[13:50] <Kilos> hi charl  you jinxed me wishing me luck with an install
[13:51] <Kilos> erry is a clever very helpful chick
[13:51] <Kilos> i did nothing
[14:02] <charl> Kilos: it didn't end up going well ?
[14:02] <charl> who's erry?
[14:03] <Kilos> eryy has become errieta, an op at #freenode
[14:03] <Kilos> nope still battling charl  
[14:03] <Kilos> installs were slowest every and reboot took like 20 mins
[14:04] <Kilos> im now trying something different
[14:04] <charl> ah :(
[14:04] <Kilos> installed xp the gonna install ubuntu and point grub to sda1 not sda
[14:05] <Kilos> im actually very disappointed in the new drive
[14:06] <Kilos>  
[14:06] <Squirm> hey charl
[14:06] <Squirm> Joe_knock: Southern Suburbs
[14:07] <Kilos> Rif i didnt need the space to do data recoveries on my 500g id give it to ian to use on windows
[14:12] <Kilos> sorry that R was meant to be control r not shift r
[14:15] <Kilos> im not sure if its a gpt or mbr drive yet
[14:17] <Joe_knock> Do you guys know where I can pick up a good priced RaspPi in PTA?
[14:28] <superfly> Joe_knock: check rscomponents
[14:28] <superfly> they have a .za branch
[14:29] <bushtech> and they deliver
[14:35] <Joe_knock> superfly: Have you built any devices with the Pi?
[14:50] <charl> hi superfly 
[14:50] <superfly> Joe_knock: no, I'm keeping it for one of my sons
[14:50] <superfly> hi charl
[14:52] <charl> Joe_knock: have you looked at any one of the alternatives to the pi ?
[14:53] <Joe_knock> charl: I've spoken to the folks over at the #raspberry room. I don't think an arduino will be able to act as a "server" to render a live-stream from.
[14:53] <charl> things like the beagleboard, udoo, banana pi, hummingboard etc
[14:53] <charl> ah
[14:54] <Joe_knock> charl: Do you have any suggestions for an alternate micro-server to serve live-video feed for?
[14:56] <charl> have you looked at the mikromedia boards? http://www.mikroe.com/mikromedia/
[14:57] <charl> there's also boards like the pcduino http://www.pcduino.com/
[14:58] <Joe_knock> charl: The mikromedia stuff is expensive :O
[14:59] <charl> the cheapest boards start at $99
[14:59] <charl> that's definitely on the higher end
[15:00] <charl> but it's for multimedia applications
[15:01] <Joe_knock> charl: My objective isn't so much for the quality of the feed, it is basically for live-streaming from any quality to able to distinguish what is happening/activity within the cameras view.
[15:01] <charl> ah, no idea how much processing you would need then
[15:02] <charl> raspberry pi is slow but it's still one of the cheap(er) options
[15:03] <Joe_knock> good point there charl. So a Pi will give me a slow feed even via localhost?
[15:04] <charl> i have no idea, you'll have to try and see
[15:04] <charl> my friend had one about a year ago in the office
[15:04] <charl> we tested some stuff but it was very disappointing
[15:05] <Joe_knock> Interesting.
[15:05] <charl> i think he ended up buying a cubieboard instead
[15:05] <Joe_knock> I could instead just make the Pi take a still image when I visit the local site.
[15:05] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubieboard
[15:06] <charl> just try it and see, best thing is to run real world benchmarks
[15:07] <charl> this is also quite cool http://www.nx-box.net/
[15:07] <charl> they also host cubieboards but there is another company that started hosting pi's before them http://raspberrycolocation.com/
[15:08] <charl> there's a huge list of options http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_single-board_computers
[15:09] <Joe_knock> charl: Why do you suggest I get Pi hosting? I'm a bit unclear on that.
[15:10] <charl> Joe_knock: it's probably not what you are looking for, i just found that now by accident while googling
[15:10] <charl> am actually thinking of it for myself though
[15:10] <Joe_knock> aah okay. 
[15:10] <charl> ah yes this is what i was looking for: https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/
[15:10] <charl> olimex makes amazing stuff
[15:11] <charl> i don't have any experience with them directly but one of my other colleagues was talking about it a while back
[15:13] <Joe_knock> that is amazing! They're more OSS than the Pi.
[15:15] <charl> you see this is a good deal for 65 euro https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A20/A20-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB/open-source-hardware
[15:15] <charl> the specs are not bad
[15:15] <charl> that would make a decent home server
[15:15] <charl> i can connect a full hd screen to that thing via hdmi
[15:15] <charl> 100mbps native ethernet with 1gb ram should be enough to play most videos
[15:15] <charl> just stream stuff live across the internet
[15:16] <charl> i'm not sure if the processor is up to it but it looks promising
[15:17] <charl> although, a dual core arm running at 1ghz is not bad
[15:17] <charl> and then you even have a gpu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_(GPU)
[15:20] <charl> yeah interesting stuff... ok need to go take a shower... bbl
[17:30] <Private_User> evening all
[17:30] <Private_User> has anybody read this http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-29361794 ?
[17:42] <StonedAlchemist> Yeah it's been all over linux forums and reddit for the past couple of days.
[17:44] <Joe_knock> I think most Nix folks have updated by now
[17:44] <Joe_knock> (I hope...)
[17:45] <StonedAlchemist> Yeah all the knowlegable ones I suppose. 
[17:45] <Joe_knock> sheet, I thought my update yesterday fixed it, there was another patch it seems.
[17:45] <StonedAlchemist> But I would think there will be quite a few exploitable boxes somewhere.
[17:46] <Joe_knock> Most likely servers are first targets. 
[18:16] <Kilos> evening all. murphy really made himself at home here. new 1TB drive has a bad sector in some important place
[18:16] <Kilos> i dug out my seatools cd and ran tests and it failed
[18:17] <Kilos> no wonder i cant get to install ubuntu on it
[18:20] <Joe_knock> murphy?
[18:21] <gremble> He is out making sure we all follow his law
[18:24] <Joe_knock> oh that murphy
[18:27] <gremble> Haha I dunno, I am probably just talking bollocks
[18:42]  * Kilos hates murphy
[18:42] <Kilos> he even broke my first new hard drive
[18:43] <Kilos> hellooo inetpro  
[18:43] <Kilos> and my fly
[18:44] <Kilos> i dont think there will be a warranty replacement prob when its 2 days old hey
[18:48] <gremble> Probably not. Unless you got it from the dodgy guy that sells the Chinese cellphone parts
[18:52] <Kilos> lol no man from importers of pc stuffs
[18:53] <Kilos> luckily i have a seatools cd that could do the tests. one doesnt expect a new drive to be faulty
[18:54] <Kilos> so only after over a days struggling and googling i decided to check the drive
[18:54] <Kilos> what a low blow
[19:11] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:38] <Wraz> Inet pro used to do graphics in #programming  on the old zanet
[19:58] <StonedAlchemist> wow zanet. Now that's a name I havne't heard in a long time. Does it still exists?
[20:08] <Joe_knock> Zanet would be the SA server?
[20:08] <StonedAlchemist> Yeah an old one
[20:09] <StonedAlchemist> It's still there but seems to be dying.
[20:09] <Joe_knock> Dying in SA terms would be like 30 people left on it??
[20:10] <StonedAlchemist> Yeah
[20:11] <StonedAlchemist> It's a shame actually.
[20:12] <Joe_knock> Our tech community is too small and too Windows to care for IRC ;)
[20:15] <StonedAlchemist> Nah I don't think that's the case. There is a fair amount of linux people in SA and we have at least 2 IRC networks of which I know that are doing well namely shadowfire and atrum.
[20:16] <StonedAlchemist> But yeah, compared to the rest of the world we're not doing too great.
[20:17] <StonedAlchemist> A lack of decent science and technology education is greatly to blame here.
[20:17] <StonedAlchemist> Also a lack of everything.
[20:24] <gremble> It is certainly a lack of everything
[20:24] <gremble> :P
[20:25] <gremble> The university only resorts to teach us Linux because setting up proper GCC compiler on windows is a schlep
[20:26] <StonedAlchemist> Everything is a schlep on windows.
[20:27] <gremble> I am trying to find out why this laptop is not booting. BSOD's on startup
[20:27] <gremble> But windows is nice enough not to have verbose logs
[20:28] <gremble> Yay for silent failures
[20:30] <StonedAlchemist> Here at Microsoft we believe that ignorance is bliss. That way we can make your problems even worse for you. :)
[20:30] <gremble> Hahaha
[20:31] <StonedAlchemist> I have to sleep now. Cheers.
[20:33] <gremble> Good night StonedAlchemist 
[20:42] <Joe_knock> we're certainly lacking water hmmphh
[20:47] <gremble> I have filled up every container capable of having volume with water
[20:47] <gremble> For that eventuality
[21:03] <Joe_knock> I'm going on 5 days here.
[21:03] <gremble> Oh my
[21:03] <gremble> That sucks
[21:03] <gremble> Our lights were off for five days once
[21:03] <gremble> The Freezer did not smell nice afterward
[21:03] <Joe_knock> Some folks in JHB are going on 10+ days without water.
[21:04] <Joe_knock> Everyone is saying something fishy is going on with Rand Water and co.
[21:04] <Joe_knock> 5 days? Yikes. did you have internet withdrawals? :P
[21:06] <gremble> The entire 2012 I had no internet
[21:06] <gremble> Haha
[21:06] <gremble> 5 days is nothing
[21:06] <gremble> ;P
[21:17] <superfly> Last time I had Windows is bordering on 10 year ago.
[21:17] <superfly> *years
[21:19] <Joe_knock> a whole year without internet :-/ 
[21:19] <Joe_knock> Maaz: :O
[21:19] <Maaz> Joe_knock: What?
[21:20] <Joe_knock> superfly: From cape town? 
[21:27] <gremble> I installed ElementaryOS over my last windows machine wednesday. I never use it and decided to copy all the important files over and kill it
[21:27] <gremble> Unfortunately elementaryOS blows
[21:27] <Joe_knock> are u using pure ubuntu?
[21:28] <gremble> Well, it does not blow. There are some neat stuff about it, but not a fan
[21:28] <gremble> Me?
[21:28] <Joe_knock> yep
[21:28] <gremble> Im actually an Arch noob
[21:28] <gremble> :P
[21:28] <Joe_knock> are you in GP? There was a FOSS event recently. I couldnt make it.
[21:29] <gremble> Ya. Software Freedom Day?
[21:29] <gremble> I was there
[21:30] <Joe_knock> Didnt see any grembles on the meetup page :'D
[21:31] <gremble> Haha Didn't see any Joe-knocks on the facebook event :P
[21:31] <superfly> Joe_knock: yes, I am
[21:31] <Joe_knock> Good to see you here superfly ;)
[21:32] <Joe_knock> facebook :O What is that :O
[21:32] <superfly> I've been around here for a while... probably longer than you...
[21:33] <Joe_knock> Most likely superfly. I only found this place a couple months ago.
[21:34] <superfly> this channel was registered in 2005, and I think I probably joined that year too...
[21:35] <Joe_knock> superfly: What is the state of Python in the employment market?
[21:35] <superfly> depends on where you are and what you're doing, I guess
[21:36] <superfly> My current job and my previous job were both Python positions.
[21:36] <superfly> I know of a couple of companies here in Cape Town that use Python
[21:37] <Joe_knock>  I know of too few here in GP.
[21:38] <superfly> Joe_knock: are you on the GPUG (GTPUG?) mailing list?
[21:38] <Joe_knock> you mean the google group?
[21:38] <superfly> ja
[21:38] <Joe_knock> yep.
[21:39] <superfly> that's probably the best way to find out about Python jobs in your area
[21:40] <Joe_knock> Makes sense. I'm sure there'll be some interesting discussion at PyCon about the community.
[21:41] <superfly> you going?
[21:42] <Joe_knock> I may. I'm not too pleased about how expensive it is.
[21:44] <superfly> *sigh* so much NIH syndrome
[21:45] <Joe_knock> You can't exactly refer to the event as NIH.
[21:46] <superfly> no, I just know the company who originally did the web site, and how they arrived at where they are... and it's all about NIH
[21:46] <superfly> One of the reasons I never went to PyConZA when it was down here... the other being cost, as you mentioned.
[21:47] <Joe_knock> so I'm not the only one who feels R1000 is a bit much?
[21:47] <superfly> it's way over the top, if you ask me... but then again, ScaleConf is the same amount
[21:48] <gremble> Why do you have to pay so much to attend?
[21:48] <superfly> although I've heard that ScaleConf is falling apart since vhata left
[21:48] <superfly> gremble: because the sponsors aren't sponsoring the venue, I think
[21:49] <superfly> it's always the venue that costs a lot. the snacks, refreshments, t-shirts, etc are nothing compared to the venue
[21:49] <Joe_knock> Based on US figures, it is *kinda* cheap: https://us.pycon.org/2014/registration/ . But the US event is much bigger, like WAY bigger.
[21:50] <gremble> Oh. That is unfortunate
[21:50] <gremble> :/
[21:50] <Joe_knock> superfly is definitely on the money for the venue: "the forum │ the campus is situated in a serene environment surrounded by beautiful gardens and courtyards, and is a 5–star venue featuring state-of-the-art technology and impressive examples of South African art and architecture. It's an ideal space for Africans to gather and discuss Python."
[21:51] <gremble> I wouldnt mind attending a conference like that, It could be informative
[21:51] <gremble> Firefox hides options ;/
[21:52] <gremble> I want to change the search engine since AVG is a piece of poop that infects browsers
[21:52] <Joe_knock> gremble: I hope attendance is good, even with the price. If the venue is genuinely the main expense, then the costs should be fair.
[21:53] <Joe_knock> why are you on AVG on *nix? gremble 
[21:54] <superfly> Joe_knock: this is what I mean when I say too much NIH. The US PyCon site runs http://eldarion.com/symposion/ as do a bunch others, but the local guys decided they didn't like it so they rolled their own...
[21:54] <gremble> Joe_knock: Im not. I have a windows 'puter infront of me to try and save
[21:54] <superfly> oh...
[21:54] <superfly> gremble: my instinct is to install Linux on it
[21:55] <gremble> Haha As is mine
[21:55] <gremble> But it looks like it has a Broadcom WiFi card
[21:55] <gremble> and it probably has one of those fancy new efi-locked BIOSes
[21:55] <gremble> and I am not going to sit through that nightmare
[21:55] <Joe_knock> superfly: who originally built the pycon site? 
[21:56] <superfly> pycon or pyconza ?
[21:56] <Joe_knock> pyconza
[21:56] <superfly> Unomena
[21:57] <Joe_knock> I've never heard of Scaleconf before, let me go check it out.
[22:15] <bushtech> anybody know why I fail to connect to extras.ubuntu.com:http: ?
[22:17] <bushtech> nm. on the umpteenth try it connected
[22:17] <Joe_knock> bushtech: this works = http://extras.ubuntu.com/
[22:17] <bushtech> Joe_knock: : thanks. I just wrote it as it appeared onscreen
[22:18] <Joe_knock> aah
[22:18] <bushtech> prob dodgy update server or my connection
[22:20] <Joe_knock> bushtech: what are you attempting?
[22:21] <bushtech> http://itsfoss.com/things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-14-04/ - doing bits out of this
[22:24] <Joe_knock> i dont see the part you're at.
[22:25] <bushtech> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:linrunner/tlp
[22:26] <bushtech> I think it popped up somewhere in there
[22:29] <Joe_knock> i see you're doing updates on mobile too.
[22:30] <bushtech> It's on a zbox: hoping it will run cooler, etc
[22:34] <Joe_knock> are u running multiple ubuntu boxes?
[22:36] <superfly> ... when your SSH session starts lagging...
[22:36] <bushtech> Joe_knock: 3 but 1 on 1204 and one on Kubuntu 1204
[22:36] <Joe_knock> superfly: Is it possible that a person can not enjoy writing code in a language where it is difficult to understand?
[22:37] <superfly> I don't see why not
[22:37] <Joe_knock> bushtech: I learnt a nifty technique where you can keep the 12.04 boxes updated with a single download.
[22:38] <bushtech> dont see that it will help me but am interested in how it works
[22:38] <Joe_knock> bushtech: even though you have kubuntu and ubuntu 12.04, it will still work (presumably)
[22:39] <superfly> for the most part
[22:40] <bushtech> normally yes but the kubuntu box has got lmce sitting on top of it and that has specific dependancies
[22:40] <Joe_knock> aah, the complexity thickens
[22:40] <bushtech> lol, doen't it allways
[22:41] <superfly> if you  can apt-get it, you can use apt-cacher-ng on it
[22:41] <Joe_knock> im going to have a whirlwind when I eventually get a new machine. 64-bit, 14.04 :'D
[22:44]  * bushtech reading up on apt-cacher
[22:44] <Joe_knock> apt-cacher? I used scp
[22:46] <superfly> I better get to bed, I'm on baby duty tonight
[22:47] <bushtech> good luck superfly
[22:47] <superfly> piece of cake the third time round
[22:48] <bushtech> for your sake i hope so
[23:28] <Wraz> Zanet is still there ? o0
[23:28] <Wraz> Wow did not know I need to go visit my old hangouts there ! :D