[00:09] <knome> pleia2, ochosi: going to sleep (3am). release announcement not published because the release is not out yet. do that if you get back before me and after the release is done. cheers!
[00:10] <knome> ^ and others feel free to ping elfy about that.
[02:20] <skellat> pleia2: Are the images posted here considered "real" yet?  See: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/utopic/beta-2/
[02:24] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2014-September/thread.html will link to it.
[02:35]  * bluesabre tries to get a handle on possible uploads for trusty/utopic... http://paste.ubuntu.com/8429756/
[02:35] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, explain
[02:36] <bluesabre> that paste shows different package versions in trusty/utopic/debian
[02:36] <Noskcaj> ok
[02:36] <Unit193> Explain, explain, explain!
[02:36] <Unit193> :D
[02:37] <bluesabre> most of the xfce things will probably roll back from utopic to trusty with MRe, and menulibre/mugshot
[02:37] <bluesabre> wondering, do we want the updated abiword for utopic?
[02:37] <Unit193> Meh.
[02:37] <bluesabre> gmusicbrowser seems like a nice one
[02:38] <Noskcaj> Would we be able to get it to official archives though?
[02:39] <bluesabre> these are all things in our packageset
[02:39] <Unit193> gmb for utopic or trusty.
[02:39] <Unit193> s/./?/
[02:39] <bluesabre> probably just utopic
[02:41]  * bluesabre writes scripts when he's bored
[02:43] <Unit193> "add App Indicator plugin"  Shiny.
[02:43] <Unit193> bluesabre: Any good ones?
[02:44] <bluesabre> probably not
[02:44] <bluesabre> there is probably a utility that already does most of what I do better
[02:44] <bluesabre> :D
[02:46] <bluesabre> I'll probably work on the utopic -> trusty MRe's this weekend, maybe merge a few things like abiword and gmb to utopic too
[02:46] <bluesabre> want to take bets for beta2 actually being released on 9/25 anywhere in the world?
[02:47] <bluesabre> :)
[02:49] <Unit193> -release indicates it was.
[02:49] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Let me know if there's anything ou want me to help with, i'm currently just working on gnome 3.14 stuff
[02:50] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-September/000190.html
[03:01] <bluesabre> ah, missed that
[03:43] <pleia2> skellat: wasn't when you asked, is now
[03:46] <skellat>  pleia2: Okay, I fixed the URL on the wiki to point to that back then
[03:46] <skellat> So if the balloon goes up on our side, the balloon goes up on our side
[04:38] <Unit193> bluesabre: You have packageset, the only thing with gmb you may want to be aware of: libgnome2-wnck-perl and libgtk2-appindicator-perl are extra things needed for all of the plugins to work, but they aren't really needed.  The second is for the appindicator, but with the mpris/soundmenu integration, it's a bit pointless IMO.
[07:17] <elfy> morning 
[07:17] <elfy> thanks whoever published both
[07:17] <elfy> one
[09:30] <ochosi> morning
[09:30] <ochosi> (late morning)
[09:31] <ochosi> thanks for publishing the release-related announcements!
[09:50] <elfy> hi ochosi 
[09:50] <ochosi> hey elfy 
[11:07] <bluesabre> Unit193: cool... I see that it fails gracefully when those packages are missing... what would be your suggestion if I pull it into utopic?
[11:08] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[11:09] <bluesabre> elfy: possible no dailies tonight, 07:06 <infinity> cjwatson: In that case, please don't re-enable dailies, I'll get to testing today/tomorrow.
[11:09] <bluesabre> hey ochosi
[11:10] <elfy> bluesabre: ty
[11:10] <ochosi> reason is the lightdm bug?
[11:10] <bluesabre> they broke booting on ppc64el
[11:10] <ochosi> oh
[11:10] <bluesabre> doesn't affect us, but its all or nothing probably
[11:11] <ochosi> thanks for the nice -settings fixes, bluesabre 
[11:11] <ochosi> you've really been extremely productive this cycle
[11:12] <bluesabre> :)
[11:12] <ochosi> btw, do we already have an overview over what bugs still need fixing? or were you suggesting that more generally, i.e. not only in terms of xubuntu
[11:12] <elfy> bluesabre: oh lol - I assumed that to be something in -release from last night - just seen it :)
[11:13] <bluesabre> just kind of generally.  there's probably several reports that have already been fixed, but not closed
[11:13] <bluesabre> like this one, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/1318162
[11:13] <ochosi> hmright
[11:14] <ochosi> that should be fix released i guess, since i added that a long time ago already
[11:14] <bluesabre> or any easy fixes for some of our other projects, so yeah, just in general bug cleanup
[11:16] <ochosi> sounds like a good plan
[11:16] <ochosi> still haven't been able to properly check out ll1.5 and the greeter brnach
[11:16] <ochosi> branch
[11:16] <bluesabre> same here
[11:17] <bluesabre> going to test the new fix for the greeter this weekend
[11:17] <bluesabre> and then roll it in, because it works well, just looked a little funny
[11:17] <ochosi> that means all-gtk3 then
[11:17] <lderan> :P
[11:18] <ochosi> i guess it doesn't use releavers or anything yet?
[11:18] <bluesabre> it uses GtkOverlay
[11:18] <bluesabre> we have 1.9 in utopic, which is already all-gtk3
[11:18] <ochosi> right, so transparency now works without the cairo stuff?
[11:18] <bluesabre> I believe so
[11:19]  * bluesabre is no longer the primary developer for -greeter
[11:19]  * ochosi neither
[11:21] <ochosi> i've been out of touch with the greeter code for a while and it has really grown and changed significantly
[11:21] <ochosi> guess it'd take me a bit to get back in
[11:22] <bluesabre> https://code.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter/one-window-layout/+merge/233644
[11:22] <bluesabre> subwindow_draw has been removed, so that might be a good indicator
[11:23] <ochosi> yup, i was just browsing through that :)
[11:23] <bluesabre> I'll experiment with it, set the window to 50% alpha or something and see what happens
[11:24] <ochosi> yup, that sounds like a good idea
[11:24] <ochosi> btw, what about finishing the gsettings patch for ll?
[11:24] <bluesabre> yeah, need to do that
[11:24] <bluesabre> should only take around an hour
[11:24] <ochosi> i mean from what i can tell there are no really critical bugs around in most projects we work/ed on, some are waiting for features though
[11:24] <bluesabre> I'll try to get that done this weekend
[11:25] <ochosi> that'd be great
[11:25] <ochosi> then we can finally chop down lls to something with reasonable code and no more desktop file writing :)
[11:25] <bluesabre> indeed
[11:25] <ochosi> could even ship it with light-locker then
[11:26] <ochosi> if it's a build option, it wouldn't matter so much that it's python
[11:26] <bluesabre> yeah
[11:26] <bluesabre> that sounds good
[11:27] <bluesabre> alrighty, I'm getting hungry, time to go start my day
[11:27] <bluesabre> I'll be around most of the weekend, bbl
[11:27] <ochosi> okeydokey!
[11:27] <ochosi> enjoy breakfast and the rest of the day then
[11:27] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, another -settings bug/patch for us: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11188
[17:01] <xubuntu51w> Just DL's the 14.10B2.  When did the highlights/selection bar becme pink?
[17:01] <knome> xubuntu51w, in 14.10b2.
[17:02] <xubuntu51w> :) By design?
[17:02] <knome> did you read the release announcement?
[17:03] <xubuntu51w> actually, no (mea culpa)
[17:03] <knome> doing that usually helps with the "is this for real" -moments
[17:03] <knome> yes, it's by design to celebrate the "unicorn" release and to demonstrate the customizability.
[17:05] <Unit193> bluesabre: I was actually leaning towards "Suggests", but was going to leave it up to you, just making you aware of it.
[17:10] <brainwash> the skel stuff is only copied once when a new account has been created, right?
[17:14] <brainwash> some user installs ubuntu and then adds xubuntu-desktop. this way etc/skel/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css won't be copied and he ends up with the pink highlight only being applied tp gtk2 apps
[17:16] <brainwash> furthermore, the other way around the pink highlight will be visible in unity for gtk3 apps
[17:16] <brainwash> this appears to be messy
[17:17] <knome> brainwash, congrats.
[17:18] <brainwash> what did I win?
[17:18] <brainwash> at least there is a note on how to revert the change :)
[17:19] <knome> you just won the sherlock holmes badge of the month.
[17:22] <brainwash> thanks
[17:25] <Unit193> Made sure gtk-theme-config could easily use the reset button.
[17:26] <brainwash> it's not a problem, just a minor annoyance
[17:26] <brainwash> especially if you don't know about gtk-theme-config
[17:29] <knome> brainwash, is there something that isn't a minor annoyance if you don't know a tool that does the task? no.
[17:29] <knome> seriously, we should learn to relax a bit.
[17:29] <knome> if we can't make a nice joke about unicorns, what is all this work for then?
[17:30] <brainwash> why not pink nuance in the wallpaper then?
[17:30] <knome> i thought we were having fun doing this and allowing ourselves some creativity space.
[17:30] <brainwash> :D
[17:30] <knome> there is a pink nuance in the wallpaper
[17:30] <knome> we just didn't want to make it all pink, because that would have been a bit over the top
[17:30] <knome> ultimately, we wanted the default installation to still be usable
[17:31] <elfy> obviously going to be a fine release if all people have to worry about is pink
[17:31] <knome> that.
[17:32] <brainwash> I'm not worried about color changes, but the inconsistency which I've pointed out
[17:33] <knome> there will always be inconsistencies
[17:34] <knome> you've just accustomed to too good.
[17:34] <knome> that only shows how much work has gone to make xubuntu actually really consistent
[17:34] <Unit193> Nothing wrong with pointing out where it isn't.
[17:35] <knome> sure.
[17:35] <knome> we'll go back to the old blues in 15.04 anyway
[19:09] <brainwash> Unit193: could the package version of "xfce4" be incremented to 4.11?
[19:09] <brainwash> to reflect the fact that most packages are now from Xfce 4.11
[19:10] <knome> does that really matter, and is that really the place we should communicate that?
[19:11] <brainwash> that's why I'm asking him
[19:13] <brainwash> changing the version shouldn't break anything
[19:14] <Unit193> You technically could, but as it's a deps package with >= 4.10 type of deps, it's native to Debian, and no 4.11 in experimental I wouldn't really.
[19:17] <brainwash> ok, then it will be changed to 4.12 once the new stable release is ready :)
[19:17] <Unit193> (http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-xfce/desktop/trunk/xfce4/debian/control?view=markup)
[19:17] <Unit193> Tends to only follow stable releases, 4.8 to 4.10, yeah
[19:18] <brainwash> 4.11 looks like a pseudo stable release
[19:18] <brainwash> even shipped in a ubuntu lts release
[19:20] <Unit193> Heh, considering https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.12/roadmap/critical-bugs ?
[19:21] <brainwash> bugs everywhere =S
[19:22] <brainwash> so, changing the deps to >= 4.11 should be possible in utopic, but that won't let users install xfce 4.10 components without losing the meta package
[19:23] <brainwash> I understand that this change has to be made by the debian maintainer
[20:17] <Unit193> forestpiskie: Hey, you don't have any problems with /tmp if you leave the computer on for a day or more, right?
[21:17] <slickymaster> Unit193, any luck sorting  out the translation credits issue?
[21:18] <Unit193> Not looked more into it.
[21:19] <slickymaster> ok