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Kilosmorning all of ya06:40
gremblegood morning Kilos 06:41
superflyhi Kilos06:51
Kiloshi superfly  06:51
Squirmhello07:16
ThatGraemeGuy'lo09:03
bushtech'lo09:37
StonedAlchemistEh Oh09:38
StonedAlchemistTellytubbies :)09:38
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy  10:07
gwoodhi everyone, does anyone have any experience with tsocks on Ubuntu, I've never been able to get it to work. I have to use the built-in socks support in Firefox16:30
Kiloshi gwood  16:35
gwoodhey Kilos16:35
Kilospatience16:35
Kiloseveryone has been quiet today16:36
gwoodguess they have dates on a Saturday night :'(16:36
Kiloslol16:36
Kilosi dunno about tsocks i only use those that go on your feet16:37
Kiloshmm...17:47
superflytsocks?17:56
superflyMaaz: google for tsocks17:56
Maazsuperfly: "tsocks - Transparent SOCKS Proxying Library" http://tsocks.sourceforge.net/ :: "tsocks - Transparent SOCKS Proxying Library - SourceForge" http://tsocks.sourceforge.net/about.php :: "tsocks - Browse Files at SourceForge.net" http://sourceforge.net/projects/tsocks/files/ :: "tsocks | SourceForge.net" http://sourceforge.net/projects/tsocks/ :: "tsocks(8) -17:56
MaazLinux man page" http://linux.die.net/man/8/tsocks :: "tsocks(1) - Linux man page" http:/…17:56
superflybetween 6 and 8 is "kids eat, bath and bed" time17:58
superflydon't have time for dates anymore17:58
Kiloslol17:58
Kiloshe has gone off now17:58
superflya date is when all the kids go to bed on time and we can spend 5 minutes together before heading to bed ourselves because we're so tired ;-)17:58
Kiloslol17:59
Kilossuperfly  are we safe from that new bash bug? i see it attacks linux servers 18:14
Kilosi forget its name now18:15
inetprohaha18:15
inetprogood evening18:15
Kiloshello inetpro  18:15
superflyas long as you've updated in the last few days you should be fine18:15
superflyhi inetpro18:15
inetprobash bug attacking servers? since when?18:15
Kiloscool ty superfly  18:15
Kilosaw i deleted the email let me try find it18:15
inetproanybody who uses bash for scripting should be shot and killed 18:17
* superfly keels over dead18:17
Kiloslol18:17
Kilosjust the bad peeps man18:17
inetprosuperfly: not to worry, even I have done it :-)18:17
Kilosaha18:17
Kiloswell it was just a matter of time before linux was attacked18:18
inetprobut it's a bad idea, especially under current circumstances18:18
Kilosby a linux bad user18:18
Kilosi thought it was in one of the mybroadband emails today18:19
* inetpro is surprised to see so many files using the bash shebang in /usr18:19
inetproKilos: just keep your stuff up to date man18:20
Kiloshttp://mybroadband.co.za/news/security/110608-hackers-exploit-shellshock-bug.html18:21
Kilosyip will do and gufw set to on with block all incoming and allow outgoing18:21
Kilosi tried to stay awake last night to get kubuntu 64bit but was too weak18:26
Kilosi know its all relative in your opinion inetpro  but i need to understand as well18:28
Kiloswill kde 64bit be faster than kde 32bit with 4g ran on here18:28
Kilosif it is i can drop unity for good then someone else can help noobs18:29
Kilosi ask because my 64bit unity is quite a lot faster than 32bit kde here atm18:31
inetproKilos: difficult to tell, I don't know the answer18:40
Kiloshaha18:40
Kiloscheck this speed18:40
Kilos100% [13 Packages 27,4 kB/318 kB 9%] [Waiting for headers]       3 051 kB/s18:40
Kiloshow fast is that hey18:41
inetproin fact I'm about to finish making backups this eveing and doing the upgrade to 64bit myself18:41
Kiloshmm...18:41
Kilosok ill try stay up18:41
inetproabout time I move up to 14.0418:42
Kilosai! im darem there already but just got the 32bit so i can use it on other older pcs too18:43
Kilosbut i think its time to choose between either unity or kde18:43
Kiloshaving both and also 32bit and 64bit is too much data18:44
inetproai!18:44
* inetpro is happy with KDE18:45
Kilosyeah i like as well, but its slower and missing a few things18:45
inetprowhether it's Fedora, Debian or any other distro doesn't really matter all that much18:45
inetproas long as it's KDE18:45
Kilosive been on ubuntu since i started so not going to change distros now18:46
Kiloslol theblazehen  keeps trying to get me to use arch18:50
inetproarch is for those who have lots of time and who are not afraid of a steep learning curve 18:57
Kilosai!18:58
Kilosno more18:58
Kilosi wish there were some hardware peeps here19:02
inetprowhat is that? 19:07
Kilospeeps like me man19:07
Kilosbut clever on top19:07
Kilossomeone that will find where to get samsung drive platters19:08
inetprohaha 19:08
Kilosthose peeps dont like selling platters separate19:09
Kilosbut they sell the reader thingie19:09
inetprodid you read my posting about booting from an iso from hdd? 19:12
Kilosnope where19:13
inetproCheck out @inetpro's Tweet: https://twitter.com/inetpro/status/51578648524974489619:14
Kiloseish you tweet peeps19:14
inetpro:-) 19:14
inetprothat is very handy! 19:15
Kiloswhy didnt you just give the bitly thing19:15
Kilosgrrrr19:15
inetproUh, am currently on mobile phone 19:16
Kiloswow that sounds good19:16
inetproWas easier to press share 19:16
Kiloslazy19:16
inetprobusy making backups 19:16
Kilosoh sorry old peeps get like that19:16
inetproam on Kubuntu 14.04 live 19:17
Kilossee also kde hasnt got a good backup tool like gnome19:17
Kilosthe backup in unity rocks19:18
Kilosi forget its name19:18
inetprono man, I've just been lazy... haven't backed up for a long time 19:18
Kilosoh ya deja-dup19:18
* inetpro don't need anything other than rsync 19:19
Kilosdeja-dup is really good but dont work on kde19:19
Kiloseish eish eish19:20
Kiloshave you ever tried formatting 1.9TB with win719:20
Kilossjoe gonna take 2 days look like19:20
inetprono19:20
inetpromake smaller partitions man 19:21
Kilosnope win7 is on the first 100g and i want to try get ubuntu onto the rest19:21
Kilosthat same scrap 2TB drive19:22
Kiloson and off with it for about 2 years now19:22
inetprosounds like you love putting all your eggs in a single basket 19:23
Kilosnope im gonna push for a replacement 1TB on monday19:23
inetproyou want less trouble, split up your hdd into smaller chunks 19:24
Kilosive gotta try get it clean first and get it to accept linux19:24
Kilosit has refused to take any linux up till now, ive just zeroed it with testdisk and installed win719:25
Kilosand you should know i always make /, /boot, /home and /storage partitions19:28
Kilosi used to have a low level format thing but cant remember what it was so cant find it19:29
Kiloshehe19:29
inetproyes but you don't need massive partitions like 1.5tb 19:29
Kilosnope atm i need a /home of at least 600g19:29
inetprowhy? 19:30
Kilosdata recovery on a 500g uses lots of space19:30
inetpromake a data partition for that 19:30
Kilosyou think i bought a 1TB drive because ive got money to burn?19:30
inetproyes 19:31
Kiloseish19:31
Kilosman then i need to know how to tell testdisk foremost and scalpel where to save the saved files to19:31
Kiloswith a big /home i dont need to work that out as well19:32
Kilosisnt a data partition and a storage partition the same thing?19:33
inetproai 19:33
inetproactually I am backing up more than I need to this evening 19:37
Kilosgood19:37
Kilosbetter safe than sorry19:37
inetprobanking up all my partitions 19:38
inetprook, done 19:46
Kilosnice and fast hey19:46
inetproready to start installation 19:46
Kilosrsync rocks19:46
Kilosohi ThatGraemeGuy  20:02
Kilosoh just his server reconnecting20:02
inetprohmm20:03
inetpronot sure it's such a good idea to install while booting iso from same hdd 20:03
inetproseems slow here 20:04
Kilosai!20:04
inetprosystem wanting to unmount the partition with the iso on it 20:05
Kiloseish20:05
Kilosdo it the old way and put the iso on a stick man20:05
Kilosunetbootin20:05
Kilosworks kiff on kde and gnome stuffs20:06
inetproyaya, will do if this really doesn't work 20:06
Kiloslol20:06
inetprosays detecting file systems... 100% for too long 20:07
inetprothinking maybe I should just kill it 20:08
Kilosya20:09
inetproai! 20:09
Kilosanything that doesnt run smoothly has some snags in it20:09
inetproneed to figure it out though 20:10
inetprothere has to be a logical reason 20:10
Kilosok20:11
inetproand there has to be a way around it as well 20:12
inetpronext time 20:13
Kiloshaha20:13
Kilosdo it the old way then think about what is wrong here and with some luck you will forget about it20:13
inetprocan't wait to see kde upgraded for now, time is running out 20:14
Kilosoh there is only night surfer data after midnight hey20:14
inetproI know 20:18
Kilosi didnt so got screwed20:18
inetprowe will have to become morning peeps to exploit that properly now 20:19
Kilosyeah but getting an iso over 1g in size takes a while20:19
Kilosyou never can be sure of the speed20:19
inetprook, looking better now 20:26
inetproinstalling the old way from USB 20:27
Kilosgood20:27
Kilosoh my i forgot about at20:36
Kilosoh my wb hibana20:40
hibanaehlo20:40
Kiloslol20:41
hibanaactually have an old iso here, so gonna take time to bring up to date20:41
Kiloseish20:41
Kilosdidnt you wget 14.04.120:42
hibanafirst thing is to get the video driver sorted20:42
hibanano20:42
Kilosoi20:42
hibanastill need to load the Nvidia thing after all this time20:42
Kilos331?20:43
hibanayep20:43
Kilosthats not too difficult with aptitude20:43
hibanaon 30% now20:43
Kiloslol have you ever had the black screen after an install20:44
Kiloswith the need to disable the effects thing20:44
hibanaI get big fat black and white spots by default20:44
hibananeed to boot with the nomodeset option20:45
Kilostry alt+tab+f1220:45
hibanauh, why?20:45
Kilosthen disable desktop effects20:45
hibanaalt+tab+f12 sounds weird20:46
Kilosthen after installing nvidia you activate then again20:46
Kilossuperfly  it was alt+tab+f12 hey20:46
hibanaI;m fine with setting nomodeset at boot time20:46
Kilosor was it ctrl+alt+f1220:46
hibanaactually just had to do that once today when booting from the ISO20:49
Kilosi need help please20:51
Kilosat 00.05 wget -c link20:52
Kilosis that right20:52
hibanadamn... gonna have to reboot20:52
Kiloslol go for it20:52
hibanamessed up before nvidia was finished20:52
Kilosoi20:53
hibanahmm...20:56
Kiloswb hibana  20:56
* hibana kinda surprised20:57
Kiloswhy?20:57
hibanalooks like nvidia is actually fully installed20:57
Kiloslol20:57
hibanagot me proper resolution and all20:57
Kilosnice20:57
hibananow going to run the update20:58
hibanaahh20:59
hibanaThe following packages have unmet dependencies:20:59
hibana xserver-xorg-video-all : Depends: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau but it is not installed20:59
Kilosupdate/upgrade fixes that21:00
hibanafixed21:00
hibananow21:00
hibanaNeed to get 402 MB of archives.21:00
Kiloseina21:00
superflyKilos: ctrl+shift+F12 maybe?21:03
Kilosive only had to do it once so not sure anymore21:04
Kilosbut that sounds right ya21:05
hibanaKilos: that's why I just purchased another 2+121:07
Kiloslol21:07
hibanaactually should wait for just another few minutes but won't get through the month anyway21:08
Kilosai!21:08
Kilosonly 50 mins21:08
Kiloslekker with you here im still awake so will get the 64bit 14.04.1 iso just now21:09
hibanabetter to be prepared21:09
* hibana going to be out for a sec21:09
Kilosok21:09
Kilospeer got him21:12
Kiloswb21:14
hibanaty21:15
hibanaKilos: btw, my issue has nothing to do with desktop effects21:20
Kilosoh21:20
hibanadesktop effects are pefect as long as the nvidia driver is loaded21:20
hibanaai!21:27
hibanaalready starting to eat into the new bundle now21:27
Kiloseeek21:28
Kilosyou should have waited man21:28
hibanano it's fine21:29
hibanahope to be finished by midnight21:31
hibanawill probably go little over but can't stay up too long21:32
hibanaso far things looking good here21:32
Kilosgood21:32
Kilosthen another reboot21:33
hibanamost important for now is to get firefox and quassel up to date21:34
Kiloslol you and firefox21:34
hibanafirefox is a winner21:34
Kilosquassel i can understand21:34
* hibana supports mozilla all the way21:35
hibanathey know what is meant with freedom21:35
Kilosfor me opera-browser works fine21:36
Kilosfaster and less data used on updating21:36
hibanayou can has it21:36
Kilosty21:37
Kilosi dont do fancy things21:37
Kiloshi gwoodford  21:37
hibanahi gwoodford21:37
KilosMaaz  google tsocks21:38
MaazKilos: "tsocks - Transparent SOCKS Proxying Library" http://tsocks.sourceforge.net/ :: "tsocks - Transparent SOCKS Proxying Library - SourceForge" http://tsocks.sourceforge.net/about.php :: "tsocks - Browse Files at SourceForge.net" http://sourceforge.net/projects/tsocks/files/ :: "tsocks | SourceForge.net" http://sourceforge.net/projects/tsocks/ :: "tsocks(8) -21:38
MaazLinux man page" http://linux.die.net/man/8/tsocks :: "tsocks(1) - Linux man page" http://li…21:38
hibanaKilos: forget about tsocks, you don't need it21:39
Kilosnot me man21:39
Kilosgwood21:39
gwoodfordhi, yes, i was asking about tsocks21:39
gwoodfordlost connection for a while21:39
hibanagwoodford: why do you need tsocks?21:40
Kilosyeah we noticed21:40
Kilosdont hose links help you?21:40
Kilos15 mins more then wget21:45
hibanaai!21:46
gwoodfordhibana, i have a laptop without a ethernet connection, so using a raspberry pi, I don't have a wifi dongle that supports AP mode, so need to use my cellphone as a wifi hotspot that my laptop and raspberry pi connect to21:46
hibanaKilos: man crontab21:46
gwoodfordI know it is a very exotic setup, but it works, i'm buying a wifi dongle that supports AP mode21:46
hibanahmm... sounds interesting but still don't see why you need tsocks21:47
Kiloseish21:47
Kilosthats as bad as man at21:47
gwoodfordit is just a pain, because only applications that support socks proxies work, i tried even using ubuntu's global network proxy settings and they don't have an effect either21:48
gwoodfordhibana, i cant use apt-get or certain applications that don't support socks proxies within the app, i'm sure there are other ways, but surely the tsocks stuff would work?21:49
hibanasurely you don't need a proxy at all?21:49
hibanausing your android phone?21:50
gwoodfordhibana, i'm using an Android phone, but the internet connection is not from my phone21:50
hibanayikes21:50
hibanawhere do you get the internets from?21:51
Kiloswhere is it from 21:51
Kiloshehe21:51
Kilosfree wifi21:51
gwoodfordInternet -> raspberry pi -> android phone hotspot -> laptop (the SSH tunnel is between my laptop and raspberry pi)21:51
hibanaKilos: my update downloads are done.... busy installing21:52
Kiloscool21:52
gwoodfordraspberry pi has an ethernet connection to get internet, and wifi dongle to connect to my android phone21:52
Kilosive got all the unity packages saved so can rsync them21:52
hibanagwoodford: yes but still, where do you get the internet from? what connection?21:53
gwoodfordit is an ADSL connection through a router modem21:54
hibanahmm... 21:54
gwoodfordhibana, i'm using the connection now to chat on here, so i know the socks connection works21:55
hibanaso the pi acts as ahotspot for the phone?21:55
Kiloshavent laptops got eth connecting sockets21:55
gwoodfordI just can't route all my traffic through it21:56
hibanaa very foreign setup indeed21:57
gwoodfordhibana, well the pi wifi dongle i have does not support hotspot mode, so i need my phone to be the wifi hotspot, so my pi connect to it21:57
gwoodfordhibana, it is one of those ultrathin laptops, so no eth port, laptop is too thin21:58
Kiloseish21:58
* hibana fails to see how the android connects to the pi21:59
hibanafp22:00
gwoodfordhibana, android does not connect to pi, the pi connect to android |    Internet - pi -> phone (hotspot) <- laptop22:00
hibanaai!22:00
gwoodfordquite a hack, but when a guy needs the internet, he finds a way22:01
superflyI'm failing to see why you need a proxy?22:01
gwoodfordsuperfly, I don't know how else to do it, the internet access reaches the pi, but the phone does not have an internet connection22:02
superflygwoodford: you need to set up your routing correctly, mosty22:03
superfly*mostly22:03
gwoodfordsuperfly, on my pi?22:03
superflyand on your laptop22:03
hibanayeah that sounds right22:04
superflyand possibly your phone, though I'm not too sure how to work that22:04
superflygwoodford: the main question I have is this: why can't you connect your laptop to the router too?22:04
gwoodfordI imagine I would first need to get my phone to access the internet somehow through the connection first?22:05
superflyoh, no eth port22:05
* superfly should read, not skim22:05
hibana:-)22:05
Kiloshehe22:05
superflygwoodford: can your phone browser the internet?22:05
superflys/r//22:05
gwoodfordsuperfly, it is my landlords router, I don't have direct access, he only provides a lan connection and the main house is too far away to pickup his wifi22:06
gwoodfordsuperfly, nope, don't has not internet connection22:06
superflythat would be your problem then22:07
gwoodfordsuperfly, well the socks connection works, it is just the tsocks application that i can't get working22:07
superflygwoodford: without plugging my own phone into a similar configuration... does your phone show up as an ethernet device?22:08
superflywhy are you using tsocks?22:08
superflygwoodford: why not ssh from the laptop to the pi and use that as a socks tunnel?22:08
gwoodfordsuperfly, my phone shows up as a wifi hotspot on my laptop22:08
superflyand the proxy is on the pi then, I presume?22:09
superflygwoodford: that really has nothing to do with the issue22:09
superflygwoodford: and I was talking about the pi, not your laptop22:09
gwoodfordsuperfly, that is what i'm doing currently, i'm sshing from my laptop to the pi, socks tunnel works, but only through applications that have built in support for socks proxy, like Eclipse and Firefox22:10
gwoodfordtsocks is for forcing applications to go through the socks tunnel22:11
gwoodfordfor example: tsocks ping 8.8.8.8 22:12
gwoodfordshould be working22:12
superflygwoodford: if you run "ip route" on your laptop, what do you see?22:15
gwoodforddefault via 10.42.0.1 dev wlan0  proto static  10.42.0.0/24 dev wlan0  proto kernel  scope link  src 10.42.0.10  metric 9  192.168.122.0/24 dev virbr0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.122.1 22:17
superflyOK22:18
superflyand your cellphone's IP address is 10.42.0.1 ?22:18
superflygwoodford: what's your PI's IP address?22:19
gwoodfordsuperfly, i'm not sure what my phones ip address is, but the pi iw 10.42.0.1222:20
superflyok22:20
gwoodfordis*22:20
gwoodfordi edited my /etc/tsocks.conf to only have the following settings22:22
gwoodfordserver = 127.0.0.122:22
gwoodfordserver_type = 522:22
inetproyay!22:22
gwoodfordserver_port = 108022:22
superflygwoodford: try this...22:23
superflysudo ip route del default22:23
superflysudo ip route add default via 10.42.0.12 dev wlan022:23
* inetpro is back on Kubuntu 14.04 22:23
superflyinetpro: w00t!22:23
Kilosyay22:23
Kilosmy iso download is at 86%22:23
gwoodfordsuperfly, that does not seem to make any difference22:26
superflygwoodford: I'm not sure my commands are correct22:26
superflyI don't use those commands on a regular basis22:26
superflywhat did it say?22:26
gwoodfordsuperfly, it did not give any errors and seemed to make the change fine22:27
superflygwoodford: ip route22:27
gwoodfordbut still not connection through tsocks or normally22:27
superflygwoodford: also, ip route on your pi22:27
gwoodforddefault via 10.42.0.12 dev wlan0 | 10.42.0.0/24 dev wlan0  proto kernel  scope link  src 10.42.0.10  metric 922:28
gwoodfordsuperfly, i'm going to try use the system proxy build into ubuntu to connect through the proxy, hopefully that is fixed, but i might temporarily lose my connection22:30
Kilosinetpro  14.04.1 iso is here22:30
gwoodfordsuperfly, sorry wrong ip route, will do my pi now22:30
gwoodford10.0.0.0/24 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src 10.0.0.3 |  10.42.0.0/24 dev wlan0  proto kernel  scope link  src 10.42.0.12 22:31
superflyno default?22:32
Kilosthats me done for tonight. sleep tight guys22:32
inetpronight Kilos22:32
gwoodfordsuperfly, default via 10.0.0.2 dev eth0 22:32
* inetpro also hitting the sack22:32
gwoodfordsuperfly, sorry missed the default line22:33
inetprosuperfly: thanks for taking over to help gwoodford22:33
gwoodfordnite inetpro22:33
gwoodfordmaybe i should try get tsocks working on my debian laptop and see if it works there?22:35
superflyI also need to hit the hay22:47
superflynight all22:47
gwoodsigh, can't sleep23:40

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