[00:16] #xubuntu-offtopic is the place for that [00:17] superkuh, right, i'll get you your money back. [00:19] Hm. No. It doesn't seem like -offtopic is the place for talking about bugs. [00:20] the sarcastic whining is [00:21] But not sarcastic whining about bugs. [00:21] of course not. we appreciate any bug follow-ups [00:26] knome, i feel you have a problem with people standing up to your bully ways [00:27] 3.. [00:28] wrongplace, not really, but this is not the channel to discuss that. [00:37] hi [00:39] o/ [00:39] hi all [00:44] Is it possible to remove the enevlope form the indicator plugin ? after i open thunderbird it show up. [00:45] You can remove indicator-messages if you don't use or like it. [00:46] i dont use it.. how can i remove it ? [00:46] I lost the grub, cuz replace the motherboard,and i have a partition in efi :S [00:46] Use the software center, synaptic, or sudo apt-get purge indicator-messages and it'll go away. [00:46] xubuntu59w: http://i.imgur.com/drXG0WB.png [00:46] xubuntu59w: or from terminal: sudo apt-get remove indicator-messages -y [00:46] Or that. :P [00:48] Unit193: is the indicator-messages package xfce-specific or does it show up in the unity indicator set? because there's a second package which spawns an independent message indicator [00:48] for xfce [00:49] brent2: indicator-messages is used in both unity, and xfce4-indicator-plugin for Xfce. [00:49] alright thanks [00:49] are all of the indicator-* packages unity indicators? [00:52] iI disconnected here. [00:53] the envelope on the indicator plugin is still there after i try to make it hidden. [00:53] is it permanent after i open thunderbird ? [01:14] is the fact that thunar stops being able to set a wallpaper after a few wallpaper changes a known bug? [01:14] I can change it a bunch of times but eventually it no longer works from within thunar and I have to restart my system (or probably just my session) [01:14] always works from the xfdesktop menu [01:14] kind of annoying though since that doesn't have very good sorting [01:20] brent2, just pick one and use it ;) [01:20] I want to use the one that's broken [01:20] which is the problem [01:20] :p [01:20] i mean, a wallpaper... [01:21] "doctor, it hurts when I do this" - "so don't do that" [01:21] i'd search for that bug in launchpad, if you can't find one, file it so we can potentially fix it later [01:22] do I join this? https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-users [01:22] brent2, feel free to if you consider yourself a xubuntu user, but it's not a requirement to file a bug :) [01:23] I've never used launchpad--how do I go about filing the bug? [01:24] (assuming it's not already filed) [01:24] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar [01:24] search there first [01:25] alright, ty === GridCube is now known as eth0 === eth0 is now known as GridCube === BarnabasDK is now known as Barnabas === Barnabas is now known as BarnabasDK === Makke is now known as makke [08:40] I have cloned the : https://bitbucket.org/fenics-project/dolfin, and have successfuly done make web, now when I do make import_doc, it gives an error. This error means that DOLFIN_DIR is not an environment variable. fenics is already installed on my computer, have even imported dolfin in my certain programs. How can I define this variable. I mean to what directory should I point to for this variable? [09:26] sohail-ahmed, i'd ask the fenics/dolfin support channels [12:02] ??? [12:02] anyone? [12:02] you have to actually ask a support question to get an answer. ms. cleo has retired. [12:39] test [13:18] Hi [13:19] Screen brightness is not working, could you help me? [13:21] It displays the animation, but it does not change anything after that, I think I need to install drivers, but acer only has support for windows. Is there a way to fix this problem? Thanks in advance. [13:24] Hey folks, I'm having an issue with xubuntu, pavucontrol refuses to show my bluetooth speakers, I've installed the module (pulseaudio-module-bluetooth), Any ideas guys? [13:37] Hello, I installed xubuntu and I am having some trouble with drivers, my hi (acer) only supports windows, do you know if there is a fix for this problems, (I am having problems with the screen, touchpad and bluetooth). Could you help me? Thank you. [13:44] Help me please. [13:44] !help [13:44] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [13:45] ok. [13:45] Sorry [16:57] Saving session on logout does not work in 14.04. What's the fix? [17:11] Any idea how to resolve the black screen on lid close bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1357090 [17:11] Launchpad bug 1357090 in linux (Ubuntu) "Black screen on resume in Xubuntu 14.04.1" [High,Incomplete] [17:12] Is it safe to remove lightlocker and reinstall xscreensaver? [17:12] phenom: did you read all the comments? [17:12] brainwash, [17:12] yes [17:12] and followed another thread [17:13] yes, you can remove light-locker and install xscreensaver [17:13] similar or dupe [17:13] did you verify that the bug only occurs with light-locker? [17:13] no [17:14] you should deactivate light-locker and test again [17:15] jarnos: clearing ~/.cache/sessions would be the first thing to do [17:16] brainwash, while you are on a xfce session? [17:17] jarnos: try it [17:17] you can easily clear the session cache via settings manager > startup and session > session [17:21] brainwash, I did that, loggod out with saving session enabled, logged back in, and have xchat and xfce4-terminal running. But not chromium-browser even if it was running when I logged out. [17:21] disabling lightlocker and installing/running xscreensaver doesn't raise any flags does it? I'm timid about installing non default lock/window managers etc. [17:22] i would just autostart things [17:23] xscreensaver is not the default locker app anymore, but it's well tested [17:24] jarnos: yeah, it's somewhat buggy and there is no one to actually fix the messy session restore functionality [17:24] phenom, running "xfce4-session-logout && xflock4" on terminal works better, if xscreensaver is running than when light-locker is running. [17:25] jarnos: maybe it's not even possible, because some apps just behavior differently [17:25] phenom, sorry, I meant "xflock4 && xfce4-session-logout -s" [17:25] i like xtrlock, but its quite "bare-bones" [17:26] however, the screen locking might not even be the actual problem [17:26] as far as adding "non-default" lockers.. which i agree can be problematic, or feel bolted on [17:26] This appears to be a well known problem. [17:26] http://xubuntu.org/news/screen-locking-in-xubuntu-14-04/ [17:27] this one has been fixed [17:27] yeah... thats just one of my default things i do on a system.. add xtrlock and remove whatever other locker [17:27] holstein, you can use that. Write a script in /usr/local/bin which runs xtrlock. [17:27] links to,, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1259339 [17:27] but your linked bug report is different [17:27] Launchpad bug 1303736 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1259339 [SRU] Black screen after wakeup from suspending by closing the laptop lid" [High,Fix released] [17:27] jarnos: right.. thats the one i *do* use [17:27] different bug [17:27] blah [17:28] I have 0 preference on locker. I just want it to wake up hah.. [17:28] doesnt address session state saving, which, i personally am not interested in having [17:29] phenom: so, it's your turn to remove specific packages and test other ones [17:31] also seems like some light locker settings have no effect. I set the screen to lock on screen close but it wants to suspend anyway. I have to mod logind.conf to HandleLidSwitch=lock [17:31] it suspends and locks the screen? [17:31] this would be the expected behavior [17:31] yes [17:32] you need to change the power manager settings instead [17:33] * m3n3chm0 nasZ [17:33] power manager is set to lock screen when closed also. [17:33] to no effect. [17:33] well [17:33] bug 1307545 [17:33] bug 1307545 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Power Manager settings are ignored when closing laptop lid" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307545 [17:34] using the workaround is one way to fix it [17:34] yea, that's essentially what I did. [17:34] Not to the T [17:34] I'll look in to it. [17:35] this issue should be fixed since xubuntu 13.10, but people still experience it [17:37] brainwash, It seems that only app session restore can't open is chromium-browser, even if it is mentioned in ~/.cache/sessions/xfwm4-2a04da60c-30c7-4c9e-8d5f-b72e93ef7a9f.state [17:37] Let me try #13 [17:38] brainwash, and when I open chromium-browser manually, it will complain it didn't shut down correctly. [17:38] jarnos: mmh [17:38] maybe closely related to bug 1175601 [17:38] bug 1175601 in xfce4-session (Ubuntu) "Two Chromium background instances and a browser window open on boot without my permission" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1175601 [17:38] Yea, never had it the issue 12.04 [17:40] I'm going to reboot. Thanks guys. brb. [17:40] bye [17:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu [17:56] grrrr [17:56] jeez guys, looks like my issue is the first "known issue" on the 14.04 release notes.... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu [17:59] phenom: but this one has been fixed with 14.04.1 [17:59] http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-14-04-1-released/ [17:59] see "Bug fixes for the first point release" [17:59] Not that I disagree but. [18:00] The xrandr "fix" still works. [18:00] try this: [18:01] 1a. Turn "Enable Light Locker" Off. Click "Apply". [18:01] 1b. Turn "Enable Light Locker" On. Click "Apply". [18:01] if you are still using light-locker [18:02] I did hah [18:02] it did something weird [18:03] actually [18:03] when it resumes, it shows a notification with a lock that the screen is currently locked and will resume in 5 seconds. Something to that effect. I have never seen that with light locker [18:05] but it fixed your problem? [18:05] the notification screen is part of light-locker [18:05] brainwash, After I did what you just said, and edited logind.conf and set HandleLidSwitch=lock [18:06] that came up. ok. [18:06] great :) [18:06] but, [18:06] it worked for 3 or so "unlocks" [18:06] which this issue has seemed to be intermittent anyway. [18:07] If I set HandleLidSwitch=ignore [18:08] it seems to heed powermanagers settings [18:09] it can be troublesome, sadly [18:10] can anyone tell me the default setting of ResetControllers=,, in gksu mousepad /etc/systemd/logind.conf please [18:11] it's blank is my guess [18:11] it's not in here: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/logind.conf.html [18:11] if you comment it out it'll reset to default [18:12] Does apport file the bug through launchpad or do I have to use launchpad's web interface? [18:14] can someone just open theirs and check please? :) [18:14] I'm pretty sure I didn't change the setting. [18:14] But I'm just a bit curious that is has no value. [18:14] http://i.imgur.com/5PhxeOv.png [18:14] apport collects crash information and submits it to launchpad [18:14] ok thanks brainwash [18:15] utopic - not even in the file [18:15] phenom: is there any reason not to simply comment it out? [18:15] phenom: mine's blank as well as per the pic [18:16] Well, I'm pretty sure I didn't change it. [18:16] blank is apparently the default [18:16] Other than I have no idea of the effect of commenting it out. :) [18:16] nice [18:16] thank you sir [18:16] commenting it out uses default setting [18:17] ahh = trusty is ResetControllers= [18:19] I'm going to try a few things, may disconnect. If anything thinks of an ahh ha! Please let me know. [18:19] This bug sucks [18:19] :) [18:19] If anyone,,, rather [18:20] what's your bug phenom [18:20] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1259339 [18:20] Launchpad bug 1303736 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1259339 [SRU] Black screen after wakeup from suspending by closing the laptop lid" [High,Fix released] [18:20] I fear [18:21] lol i was just going to file that one.. [18:21] or similar [18:21] my solution: kill xfce4-power-manager [18:21] problem solved [18:21] eyes elfy [18:21] I run a script at startup which kills that amongst other things [18:21] I'd uninstall it but it's a dependency [18:21] xfce4-power-manager is useless [18:22] just mucks up the system and does nothing [18:22] dependency for? [18:22] phenom: is your black screen before or after logging into lightdm [18:22] brainwash: brightness indicator applet [18:22] after [18:22] well,, [18:22] phenom: i get this problem when lidswitch is set to 'ignore' and i close my lid before the laptop can fully suspend [18:22] this is reproducible 100% of the time [18:23] on boot,, I log in fine. then I close lid, and light locker appears albeit dim,, and when I input my password it goes black. [18:23] on boot after suspend, or cold boot [18:23] ? [18:23] on cold boot it works fine [18:23] never had a problem [18:24] alright, we have the same problem then [18:24] but after suspend and apparenlty lock. [18:24] exactly [18:24] it works fine if I wait until the laptop is fully suspended before closing the lid [18:24] e.g. use fn+suspend key [18:24] but if I close the lid before the laptop has suspended, this problem occurs [18:24] works totally fine without xfce4-power-manager running, so that is the problem [18:25] I changed lidswitch to "lock",,, and it worked fine a few times. [18:25] isn't suspend super fast anyway? [18:25] brainwash: not with power manager running [18:25] it takes like 1sec here [18:25] on my end it's almost instant without power manager [18:25] 1sec or less [18:25] with power manager, using the fn+suspend key, it takes 3 sec or more [18:25] I see [18:25] and by that time I've usually closed my laptop [18:25] which then induces this bug [18:26] based on something i read on launchpad, there was a patch added recently to restore the state of the display prior to logging out, and since this form of this bug didn't occur for me in the past I can only assume that the new patch caused this regression [18:26] not sure though [18:26] power manager has a builtin 2sec delay I think [18:26] before it triggers lock screen + suspend action [18:27] I see [18:28] feel free to file a bug report, but make sure that you don't create yet another duplicate :) [18:28] is there an alternate way to do so apart from apport brainwash ? apport crashes for me when submitting the bug [18:28] pic: http://i.imgur.com/w1YgtUw.png [18:28] try "ubuntu-bug xfce4-power-manager" [18:28] that's what I did [18:29] http://i.imgur.com/6Zh540R.png [18:29] did this crash happen while the web browser was loading to open the launchpad site? [18:29] yes [18:30] am I mistaken? [18:30] it seems to hang after this occurs, waited quite a while [18:30] bug 1160569 [18:30] bug 1160569 in thunderbird (Ubuntu) "[regression] GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion `sys_page_size == 0' failed" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1160569 [18:32] no clue [18:32] tons of comments to read [18:32] nevermind [18:33] furthermore, it's a general ubuntu issue [18:33] indeed [18:33] http://i.imgur.com/nWHGESV.png [18:33] I was mistaken though [18:34] cross channel discussion? :D [18:35] brent2, How are you killing power manager? [18:35] Yeah sorry, didn't see it here. [18:35] phenom: with conviction [18:35] hah [18:35] hang on let me check [18:35] thanks [18:35] phenom: you can literally just pkill it though [18:35] if you want [18:36] ok [18:36] phenom: http://i.imgur.com/VH8bOxL.png [18:36] i have this and i run it at boot [18:36] using settings -> session -> autostart [18:36] right [18:36] thank you sir [18:36] np [18:36] I use sleep 5 because otherwise some issue arises [18:36] although I don't remember exactly what [18:36] keep that in mind [18:37] I'm going to leave it as I have it for a while. It's unlocked correctly the past 10 or so times. [18:37] understood. [18:38] thanks. I'm going to give that a shot if it fails. Do you notice any other issues by killing it out of curiosity? [18:38] none, completely solves all issues related to this bug i think [18:39] light locker works perfectly too [18:39] Have you tried a different locker by chance? [18:39] simpler ones like i3lock [18:39] but that's a standalone program with no relationship with your power settings [18:39] in power manager or otherwise [18:39] it always Just Works [18:40] phenom: any idea if there's a bug filed already for the fact that the logind.conf settings override power manager settings? (e.g. lid switch) [18:40] I don't see one [18:41] that's bug bug 1307545 [18:41] bug 1307545 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Power Manager settings are ignored when closing laptop lid" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307545 [18:41] My understanding is it was supposed to. [18:42] ok, my misunderstanding [18:42] thanks brainwash [18:42] Oh yes,, [18:42] I followed that one also.. [18:42] lol [18:42] I tried rm ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-power-manager.xml [18:43] after changing the settings. [18:43] so far, my black screen issue seems tied completely to whether or not I close the lid before the system suspends [18:43] took me a while to narrow it down to that [18:45] I want to start a linux,, thinkpad movement.. Keep dev's on a single platform. Preferably mine hah.. [18:45] which thinkpad are you using? [18:45] x220 [18:45] same.. [18:45] high five [18:46] ;) [18:46] :P [18:46] I wonder if this could be a hardware-specific thing [18:47] Kind of spooky. Thinkpad is a very popular platform for dev's. I'm surprised I've had the amoung of issues in the past with this laptop. [18:49] My fingerprint sensor has gone bad. [18:50] carefully clean it, q-tip and rubbing alcohol [18:51] mine has a few issues, ethernet port stopped working unfortunately, IPS display has all kinds of issues [18:51] I'm getting a million: http://pastebin.com/e6CWVCPN [18:51] ObrienDave, I'm afraid the hardware has failed [18:51] might be able to simply disable it in bios [18:52] ^^^ worth a shot [18:53] I'm not getting the green led anymore,, and am getting flooded with that in dmesg. [18:53] ObrienDave, right on. [18:53] I need to get in to the machine.. [18:53] I have no tools at present. [18:53] Just need a frikkin tweaker.. [18:54] I'm living in a hotel room at present on assignment. ;P [18:54] Forgot the leatherman. :) [18:55] leatherman, vise grips, duct tape. don't leave home without them ;P [18:55] I'll try to disable it again. I was putzing around in the settings earlier to try it and got side tracked. [18:55] In bios* [18:57] ObrienDave, Don't forget the cipro! [18:57] ahh [18:57] haha [18:57] hi all, not sure if i'm in the right place but i'm having a sound issue [18:58] is anyone here capable/willing to help? [18:59] ysanders, You should try to explain the problem in the chan. [18:59] here? OK [19:00] indeed [19:00] i recently upgraded to 14.04 and it mostly worked fine [19:00] had to reinstall tex, but that was about it [19:00] however, after rebooting, i don't have any sound in my headphones [19:00] i have volume control open [19:00] and some sound playing (a youtube video) [19:01] it seems like there is sound being output, but not to my headphones [19:02] i googled a bit and tried reinstalling pulseaudio and alsa-base [19:02] that's pretty much it [19:02] Click the volume icon, sound settings, output devices, port, headphones. try that. [19:05] I have to sleep. [19:05] phenom: [19:05] yo [19:05] phenom: http://i.imgur.com/vQeRYTk.png [19:05] wasn't quite sure on your instructions, but if you have to sleep maybe someone else can help? [19:06] ysanders: try pavucontrol [19:06] ok, one sec [19:06] ysanders: apt-get install pavucontrol [19:06] i have it open [19:06] so on the output devices tab, there are two things [19:07] HDMI/DisplayPort (unplugged) [19:07] the volume bar thingy below the volume mixer is moving around... seems to notice the sound from the youtube video [19:07] click the output tab [19:07] and the second port is Headphones (plugged in) [19:07] brent2, That looks good to me. [19:08] ysanders, select it. [19:08] phenom: http://i.imgur.com/ytWhmPv.png [19:08] that doesn't work for you? [19:09] just a sec, let me screenshot [19:11] http://imgur.com/6qTVZwq [19:11] i'm afraid i didn't understand what you meant by "selecting" [19:11] h,, [19:11] hmm* [19:11] the bar for the first port fluctuates as though sound is coming through, but nothing on the second port [19:12] can you change the first from hdmi to headphones? [19:12] where it says Port: [19:13] It looks muted [19:13] mute's on the far left, I don't think that's it [19:13] the button would look indented [19:14] no, hdmi is the only option on the first port [19:14] the mute button looks different if it's actually muted. also greys out the volume mixer [19:14] oh [19:14] brent2, thanks man [19:15] i'm using the dark version of this xfce theme: http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/axiom+xfwm?content=90145 -- this might make the icons look different to what you're used to [19:15] See you guys. Zzzz [19:15] ysanders: try toggling the fallback [19:15] phenom: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1374830 [19:15] bug there [19:15] Launchpad bug 1374830 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Closing laptop lid before system can suspend causes black screen upon login after resume" [Undecided,New] [19:16] not sure how this works, do other people upvote them? [19:16] phenom: http://i.imgur.com/inrD2Si.png [19:16] brent2, and you're sure it's not bug 1303736? [19:16] toggling fallback didn't do anything. currently have both fallback icons toggled to "off" [19:16] bug 1303736 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Black screen after wakeup from suspending by closing the laptop lid" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1303736 [19:17] knome, if it is,, it's not fixed [19:17] knome: I could be wrong but 1303736 was fixed on Aug 28th [19:17] phenom, are you using a PPA? [19:17] knome: mine is a similar but different bug [19:17] should I note this in my bug report? [19:18] no [19:18] knome, default [19:18] brent2, how is it different? [19:18] knome: it occurs exclusively when shutting the display off before the system can suspend [19:18] knome: it does not occur when suspending and resuming without shutting the lid [19:18] brent2, like, closing the lid? that's the same bug. [19:19] clarification: lid suspension is disabled [19:19] e.g. I can close the lid and open the lid and nothing happens [19:19] ok... so when do you get that bug then? [19:19] I press suspend key on my keyboard, then close the lid (which, on its own, does nothing) [19:19] if I close the lid *before* the system can suspend, I get a black screen upon reusme [19:20] resume* [19:20] after logging in [19:20] i would argue that's still the same bug [19:20] knome: I don't think it is because on the 28th of last month they updated it to patch this bug [19:21] but this form of the bug in question still exists. Same basic issue with same symptoms but it no longer occurs for the same reason [19:21] should I delete my report and add the note to the one you linked? [19:21] (or something else) [19:21] brent2, yes, which isn't working until you do the disable/enable cycle [19:21]