[01:04] <buntutech> hi kubuntu
[08:26] <andersl> kfileboxpackage for kubuntu, anyone?
[08:47] <valorie> andersl: http://www.nixternal.com/kde-and-dropbox/
[08:49] <valorie> also you can just add Dropbox as a service to Dolphin
[09:03] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:04] <andersl> valorie: thanks, I will take a look :) Just installed owncloudsync, which includes a copy of my dropbox too...
[09:04] <valorie> cool
[09:05] <valorie> !purge
[09:05] <valorie> pfff
[09:05] <valorie> !ppa-purge
[09:06] <valorie> bleah
[09:09] <andersl> can i prevent apt search from including packages where the term is not part of the package name? I get many irellevant hits when I search!
[09:13] <valorie> maybe it's better to search in muon?
[09:15] <lordievader> andersl: Use an interesting regex with grep ;)
[09:16] <andersl> lordievader: that is rather inconvenient, and will likely not display all information about a package.
[09:18] <andersl> I like using the cli, it is usually faster. I had to use muon to get dependencies right with digikam though.
[09:18] <lordievader> Depends on how good your regex is I suppose, but I do agree it is not very handy ;)
[09:19] <andersl> which spellchecker is default? I seem to get red underlinings all over, so I must be short a dictionary?
[09:21] <andersl> anders@katja:~$ apt search spell | grep "installed"
[09:21] <andersl> WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface yet. Use with caution in scripts.
[09:21] <andersl> :\
[09:26] <valorie> !network
[09:26] <andersl> this is actually not possible. I assume some sort of spellchecker is installed, but how do I figure out which dictionaries are present? apt search is not helpful, neither is muon.
[09:29] <andersl> I installed calligra words, which does not find any spellchecking ditcs. libreoffice writer has some. Shouldnt those be shared?
[09:30] <andersl> spellchecking does not work in kmail either
[09:33] <lordievader> andersl: dpkg -l|grep spell|grep installed
[09:33] <andersl> :o
[09:34] <lordievader> Err: dpkg -l|grep spell|grep ii
[09:35] <andersl> that produces a list, so next is to wonder why it does not work...
[09:36] <andersl> there appears to be both aspell and hunspell dictionaries installed, but they should both work with aspell, right?
[09:37] <andersl> good thing that my spelling is mostly good, at least in danish :-)
[09:42] <lordievader> I rarely use a spell checker, if I do it's in vim.
[09:44] <andersl> maybe the broken spellchecking is a KDE 4.14 bug, it does not appear to work anywhere in KDE.
[09:44] <andersl> It usually does.
[10:52] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:14] <slkbear> Trying to install Kubuntu 14.04 on Dell Dimension 4600, freezing on Stopping System V Initialisationn compatibility [OK]. Any ideas? (New to kubuntu and these forums)
[12:26] <rberube> Can someone help me with a Kubuntu 14.04 install/boot freeze? Installing on a Dell Dimension 4600 from bootable USB and keeps hanging at "Stopping System V initialisation compatibility [OK]".
[13:29] <hewi_> hey, afternoon all
[13:30] <hewi_> question: what is the best app to download iphone picts to your computer?
[13:30] <vipuser> hi everyone, anyone can help in disabling graphics in Kubuntu/Ubuntu in run level 3
[13:31] <vipuser> anyone please
[13:32] <lordievader> vipuser: What was runlevel 3 again... I'm using 2 here...
[13:33] <lordievader> Hmm, debian makes no difference between 2-5.
[13:33] <lordievader> vipuser: What is it exactly that you want? Disable X autostart?
[13:33] <vipuser> i want to make a difference, that run level 3 must be different in all cases
[13:34] <vipuser> how to make it different from other runlevels?
[13:34] <lordievader> vipuser: Why?
[13:35] <vipuser> need to shred the load of graphics
[13:35] <lordievader> vipuser: If you just want to disable the autostart of X attach 'text' to your kernel parameters.
[13:35] <vipuser> how to disable X?
[13:36] <vipuser> it will disable for all the runlevels from 2-5? if i add 'text'
[13:36] <lordievader> vipuser: Yes.
[13:36] <vipuser> i only want in one runlevel
[13:36] <lordievader> vipuser: https://wiki.debian.org/RunLevel
[13:38] <vipuser> which is the main config file which tells kernel to run specific run level at boot? after /sbin/init process?
[13:38] <lordievader> vipuser: Read the link I gave you.
[13:39] <pvoigt> I am currently evaluating Kubuntu in a virtual machine because I am planing to use it for my next laptop. I would like to not display any user accounts on the lightdm greeter screen. An attempt to add greeter-hide-users=true to /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf fails. Currently I have theme-name=classic in /etc/lightdm/lightdm-kde-greeter.conf.
[13:42] <pvoigt> Is /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf the wrong configuration file? Forgot to mention I am using 14.04.1.
[13:42] <hewi_> anyone any advise on my question, even though might be stupid (google and pdf's didn't help)
[13:42] <hewi_> question: what is the best app to download iphone picts to your computer?
[13:44] <lordievader> pvoigt: system settings -> login screen -> themes -> classic
[13:45] <pvoigt> lordievader: Yeah, thanks, but this results just in theme-name=classic. The user list is still displayed^^
[13:45] <lordievader> pvoigt: It shouldn't...
[13:46] <pvoigt> lordievader: Hm - now I am clueless^^
[13:46]  * lordievader goes to test the classic theme
[13:49] <pvoigt> lordievader: So did I find a bug? Any advice why things are not working as they should?
[13:50] <lordievader> pvoigt: I don't get a list. Just the previous logged in user. However that can likely be disabled.
[13:50] <lordievader> pvoigt: It probably ain't a bug, more likely that the new config isn't loaded.
[13:51] <pvoigt> lordievader: Ah, thanks, I have just one user and this one is always the last. How can I disable displaying it?
[13:56] <davls82> Hi all
[13:56]  * lordievader goes to mess with the lightdm config
[14:05] <lordievader> pvoigt: Hmm, doesn't seems as easy as it looks. The answers given in [1] doesn't seem to work here. [1] http://askubuntu.com/questions/92349/how-do-i-hide-a-particular-user-from-the-lightdm-login-screen
[14:08] <pvoigt> lordievader: Thanks so far. You are making similar experiences with lightdm configuration like me: A lot of contradicting references and most of them are not working.
[14:09] <lordievader> pvoigt: For me it is not really a problem. Only single user machines here ;)
[14:09] <pvoigt> As I am rather new to Kubuntu I have no idea if it may be related to some general restructuring of login manger configuration or program.
[14:10] <pvoigt> lordievader: Yeah, but I would like to even hide that one user - for security reasons.
[14:12] <pvoigt> So whenever you should stumble accross a solution here, feel free to PM me - I am behind ZNC and can easily read you message. Thanks so far^^
[14:14] <lordievader> pvoigt: You can give it a list of users it needs to hide.
[14:14] <lordievader> pvoigt: See /etc/lightdm/users.conf
[14:31] <pvoigt> lordievader: Yes, I tried but changes in /etc/lightdm/users.conf do not take effect.
[14:31] <lordievader> Hmm.. that is too bad.
[14:32] <pvoigt> In particular I added the only user with UID=1000 to hidden-users, service lightdm restart, but no effect.
[14:35] <pvoigt> Are there any setting required in /var/lib/AccountsService/users/<username>?
[14:35] <pvoigt> ...to hide that user?
[18:22] <ESource5> ikonia, ALRIGHT
[19:28] <street> hello?
[19:29] <lordievader> o/
[19:31] <street> weird!
[19:31] <lordievader> street: ?
[19:32] <street> so quiet here
[19:32] <lordievader> street: Shh, don't wake the idlers ;)
[19:33] <street> lol
[19:35] <street> now that I have the new 14.04 update, Im ready to completely rid myself of microsoft windows
[20:20] <chaosagent_> test
[20:45] <pvoigt> Test channel?
[20:45] <lordievader> !test
[20:45] <pvoigt> ^^
[20:57] <shay_shay> Hello. Does anybody know anything about these? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.utopic/files
[20:57] <shay_shay> I need to do a debootstrap install but I want to make it identical to the DVD install
[20:58] <shay_shay> Specifically I am wondering about the one titled "blacklist"
[21:00] <shay_shay> HALP
[21:00] <shay_shay> P
[21:04] <lordievader> !patience| shay_shay
[21:15] <boby85> hello
[21:16] <boby85> can someone help me with kde5
[21:17] <boby85> how can I add shortcut to bottom pannel? i.e. google chrome
[21:17] <boby85> I use kubuntu with kde5
[21:21] <frustrated> Hello.  Where can I get info on the kubuntu-meta package, and where can I find kubuntu-desktop for ubuntu 12.04 ?
[21:22] <frustrated> sorry... 14.04
[21:22] <rom1504> oh
[21:22] <rom1504> next year ubuntu is going to have part of my pseudo for its name :D
[21:36] <shay_shay> lordievader: I was just kidding
[21:37] <shay_shay> HALP lol cat meme :P
[21:49] <frustrated> Hello.  Where can I get info on the kubuntu-meta package, and where can I find kubuntu-desktop for ubuntu 12.04 ?
[22:36] <abas> salam
[22:36] <apb1963> anyone know anything about kubuntu here?
[22:38] <abas> سلام
[22:38] <abas> کسی هست/
[22:41] <TheFakeazneD525> apb1963: possibly
[22:47] <valorie> apb1963: what can we help you with?
[22:47]  * valorie keeps finding out more I *don't* know
[22:48] <apb1963> valorie: I've got ubuntu 14.04 installed... I'm trying to use certain KDE tools without installing the entire kubuntu world necessarily.  I've installed plasma-desktop, but I seem to be missing some key tools, like muon, konversation and others.  There is so much old information out on the web that I really don't know where to find these things.  Any help?  I finally broke down and tried to install kubuntu-desktop, but none of my 
[22:52] <TheFakeazneD525> apt-get install <softwarename>
[22:52] <TheFakeazneD525> sudo
[22:53] <valorie> you can do `sudo apt install muon konversation`
[22:53] <valorie> etc.
[22:53] <valorie> in a cli
[22:54] <valorie> you didn't get konvi because Kubuntu supplies quassel by default now
[22:55] <valorie> `sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop` should install all the defaults
[22:55] <valorie> kubuntu-desktop being a meta-package
[22:56] <valorie> if you prefer Unity, apb1963, there is no need for that however
[22:57] <valorie> all the KDE applications will work in unity
[22:57] <apb1963> valorie: No, that's the first thing I tried.  It can't find kubuntu-desktop
[22:57] <valorie> but if you want the plasma desktop instead.....
[22:57] <valorie> what can't find it?
[22:57] <apb1963> valorie: I installed plasma-desktop no problem
[22:57] <apb1963> valorie: apt-get
[22:57] <valorie> $ apt-cache search kubuntu-desktop
[22:57] <valorie> kubuntu-desktop - Kubuntu Plasma Desktop/Netbook system
[22:58] <valorie> it is part of the ubuntu repositories
[22:58] <apb1963> kubuntu-desktop - Kubuntu Plasma Desktop/Netbook system
[22:58] <valorie> please try again, pasting exactly what I put above, without the `
[22:59] <apb1963> oh... you've got apt, not apt-get
[22:59] <valorie> you have to control shift to paste into a console
[22:59] <valorie> apt has been upgraded, and you can often type just apt, rather than apt-get
[22:59] <apb1963> I've always used apt-get .... didn't know there was an apt.
[23:00] <valorie> it's recent
[23:00] <valorie> muscle memory still types `apt-get` automatically
[23:00] <valorie> lol
[23:00] <apb1963> maybe that's why it can't find it???  I'll try in a minute... installing libreoffice at the moment
[23:00] <valorie> hmmm, unity doesn't provide that?
[23:00] <valorie> odd....
[23:01] <valorie> personally, when I've tried out ubuntu software center I didn't like it
[23:01] <apb1963> ok this is crazy... now it finds it.  I spent like 2 hours trying to figure out why apt-get install wouldn't install the desktop... now it just works.  Being as how that's the case, I'll try konversation now.  Or quassel
[23:02] <valorie> I use apt or apt-get, or muon package manager
[23:02] <valorie> konvi <3
[23:02] <apb1963> yeah I wasn't a fan of software center......  for whatever reason I had no package manager other than apt-get.... and perhaps apt which I still havne't tried
[23:02] <apb1963> konvi???
[23:02] <valorie> if you have your own server and want to install quassel-core on it, quassel is better
[23:02] <facepalm> Muon? Is that like Synaptic? Sorry I'm new to KDE.
[23:02] <valorie> konvi=konversation
[23:02] <apb1963> oh really!
[23:02] <valorie> muon package manager is very much like synaptic, yes
[23:03] <apb1963> Maybe that's why I couldn't find it!
[23:03] <valorie> konvi is just a pet name
[23:03] <facepalm> Thank You.
[23:03] <valorie> the real name is konversation
[23:03] <apb1963> well it wasn't finding it... i'll try again now
[23:03] <TheFakeazneD525> valorie: why is Quassel preferred over konversation though
[23:03] <valorie> I used synaptic back in the day
[23:03] <apb1963> this is crazy... now it finds it
[23:03] <valorie> TheFakeazneD525: not preferred, but default
[23:04] <facepalm> I've been using xubuntu for ages, just switched to kubuntu like an hour ago.
[23:04] <valorie> at the time we changed, there was no updated Konversation
[23:04] <TheFakeazneD525> ah
[23:04] <valorie> and we just stayed with quassel
[23:04] <tsimpson> way back when, konversation didn't have a stable working KDE4 port and Quassel did
[23:04] <valorie> so it's purely historical
[23:04] <valorie> I would say devels use about half and half
[23:04] <valorie> facepalm: xubuntu rocks
[23:05] <valorie> as does their team
[23:05] <facepalm> valorie, agreed.. Just got a bit stale for me. Still much <3 but yeah.
[23:06] <apb1963> I used quassel for awhile, until I had some problem... I think I had an issue with logging, I can't remember exactly what.  So I switched to konversation... when I tried to switch back quassel wouldn't let me, I don't remember the details but I got stuck with konversation and now I'm used to it.
[23:06] <valorie> KDE is really charging ahead, imo
[23:06] <facepalm> ^ That is a major reason for my switch.
[23:06] <apb1963> the problem with "charging ahead" is ubuntu won't support anything that's not out of the box.
[23:06] <valorie> I've tried quassel, but prefer konvi
[23:07] <valorie> apb1963: we're offering an ISO of the brand new stuff
[23:07] <valorie> however, we're sticking with stable for the next two releases
[23:07] <apb1963> yeah, but I can't do that when all I have is one machine.
[23:07] <valorie> you can try it out with neon5
[23:08] <valorie> https://blogs.kde.org/2014/07/15/plasma-5-here-all-ready-eat-your-babies
[23:08] <facepalm> lol
[23:08] <apb1963> what I need is for the base libraries to be locked, so I can't screw up my system when I install an unsupported package.
[23:08] <facepalm> Breaking stuff is fun though ;)
[23:08] <valorie> neon5 works great here
[23:09] <valorie> but I've not switched over to the neon5 session
[23:09] <tsimpson> a chroot or a VM are good ways to isolate the base system
[23:09] <valorie> not everything is ready/ported etc.
[23:09] <apb1963> some package updated qt4-core in the last decimal by one... and I was told I was out of luck, it wouldn't be supported... and sure enough applications were crashing all over the place.
[23:10] <valorie> facepalm: yes, I broke my test laptop yesterday with the plasma 5 upgrade
[23:10] <valorie> today's task: fix it
[23:10] <apb1963> How the heck am I supposed to know what is and what isn't critical?
[23:10] <valorie> apb1963: what in particular are you worried about?
[23:10] <apb1963> tsimpson: how's that?  You're talking about installing the base system inside a VM?
[23:10] <valorie> neon5 for instance installs to /opt
[23:11] <valorie> so your base install isn't touched
[23:11] <apb1963> valorie: destroying my system with unsupported software.  I'm not talking about neon5
[23:11] <valorie> !vm
[23:11] <valorie> you can even run Windows in a VM
[23:11] <tsimpson> apb1963: you install into a basic chroot or VM and you can play with it all you want without having to worry too much about breaking the base system
[23:11] <valorie> my son does/has done that
[23:11] <apb1963> Yes and I've done it
[23:12] <valorie> apb1963: yes, which is why we have neon5
[23:12] <valorie> and the ISO, which many people will run as a live system
[23:12]  * valorie perhaps should have tried that.....
[23:12] <apb1963> tsimpson: yeah, if you have a powerful CPU you can do VMs all day long.  When  you're running on a 10 year old system... not so much.
[23:12] <valorie> liveUSB to the rescue
[23:13] <apb1963> luckily, I had an upgrade recently... I have a brand new 5 year old 64 bit upgrade.
[23:13] <valorie> slow, but does work
[23:14] <apb1963> and yesterday my 32 bit machine finally gave up the ghost... won't even get past a BIOS boot... it's done.   Graveyard material.
[23:14] <tsimpson> apb1963: which is why I use a chroot for most things, more clunky but it works for most things
[23:15] <apb1963> tsimpson: So, if I want to run say... teamviewer... yo're saying set wine and teamviewer up inside the chroot?  Or even a VM?
[23:16] <apb1963> and for that matter... even muon is unsupported since it's in the "universe" repo.
[23:16] <tsimpson> apb1963: I do have a chroot for some KDE Telepathy and XMPP stuff, as well as some development environments with bleeding-edge stuff. I don't think I'd bother with wine
[23:16] <apb1963> tsimpson: wine is required for teamviewer
[23:16] <tsimpson> I don't use teamviewer
[23:17] <apb1963> I use it on nearly a daily basis
[23:17] <apb1963> I also run asterisk
[23:17] <apb1963> and plan to install vtiger
[23:18] <apb1963> I may need an LDAP server, that's still undecided.
[23:18] <apb1963> and lets not forget freePBX which requires a webserver, like apache.
[23:19] <tsimpson> qemu is a pretty cheep emulator for VMs
[23:19] <apb1963> I also use Back In Time for backup
[23:19] <tsimpson> and if you're just running a few daemons you shouldn't need a supercomputer to run several VMs
[23:20] <apb1963> I have no idea which, if any of those might upgrade system libraries....  SOMETHING upgraded my qt4-core in 12.04 and caused me huge problems... but I have no idea what it was.
[23:20] <apb1963> So you're saying that I should run all of those apps just mentioned in a VM or chroot, if they're not in the base repos?
[23:21] <tsimpson> I'm saying there are ways to encapsulate the system in a way that prevents you from being left with an expensive brick
[23:22] <tsimpson> VMs are one way, but there are a few including cgroups
[23:22] <apb1963> I actually tried installing virtualbox awhile back but had problems... I think it was with the add-on tools, don't remember... I'll have to try again and see.
[23:22] <valorie> muon is unsupported?
[23:22] <valorie> ...
[23:23] <apb1963> vmware was something of a nightmare
[23:23] <apb1963> valorie: it's in "universe", so that makes it unsupported
[23:23] <valorie> hmmmm
[23:23] <valorie> re VMs, I recently heard of Vagrant
[23:23] <valorie> an easier way to use them, as I understand
[23:24] <valorie> https://www.vagrantup.com/
[23:24] <valorie> haven't tried it out, though
[23:24] <apb1963> I actually liked virtualbox for the most part... it had a couple of issues I never got around to resolving, but between vmware and virtualbox, it was the easier of the two to use...  it "just worked" for the important stuff... with vmware I spent days and days researching things.
[23:25] <apb1963> vmware cost me 100 times as much time.
[23:26] <apb1963> some of it was stupid stuff.  Like the tools needed were embedded in another file that you had to have the right tool to extract so you could use the tools.
[23:26] <apb1963> Incredibly poor design in that regard.
[23:27] <apb1963> I spent days trying to figure out where what I needed lived, and then more time tracking down the tool I needed.
[23:27] <valorie> sounds like a nightmare
[23:27] <apb1963> it was
[23:27] <apb1963> I finally gave up
[23:28] <apb1963> with virtualbox it was... oh.   It's running.  Wow.
[23:29] <apb1963> From install to working... total time - about 1 minute.
[23:30] <apb1963> so I need to install teamviewer... which means wine.  What's the recommendation to be safe from total system destruction?
[23:31] <apb1963> I'm not sure how it would work in a VM... I think as soon as I try to switch out of the VM to show a real desktop to someone... it's not going to work.
[23:33] <valorie> why in a VM?
[23:33] <apb1963> why in a vm what?
[23:33] <valorie> why not just install wine and then run teamviewer in it?
[23:33] <apb1963> that's what I would like to do
[23:33] <valorie> and the problem is......?
[23:34] <apb1963> E: Unable to locate package wine
[23:34] <apb1963> it's not in the main repo
[23:34] <apb1963> which means it's unsupported
[23:35] <valorie> playonlinux - front-end for Wine
[23:35] <valorie> !wine
[23:35] <apb1963> which means it has the potential to upgrade a critical library
[23:35] <apb1963> and render my system useless
[23:35] <facepalm> Highly doubtful.
[23:35] <valorie> well, I would do a bit of research first, i guess
[23:36] <valorie> but people run wine all the time
[23:36] <apb1963> adding additional unsupported software on top of other unsupported software isn't a solution
[23:36] <valorie> and teamviewer
[23:36] <apb1963> yes, that's true
[23:36] <draggin> anyone have any experience with upgrade to 14.04 and having greatly reduced performance, ie mouse clicks, browser performance, keyboard entries?
[23:36] <apb1963> but I'm paranoid.. SOMETHING killed my 12.04 system and I really don't want to go through THAT nightmare again.
[23:36] <valorie> do you have plenty of disk space?
[23:37] <apb1963> me?
[23:37] <valorie> yes
[23:37] <apb1963> depends on your definition of "plenty" :)
[23:38] <valorie> well, how about space to at least create a separate $HOME
[23:38] <valorie> so you don't have to worry about that bit
[23:38] <apb1963> already put home on it's own partition
[23:38] <valorie> cool
[23:39] <valorie> how about another partition to throw on another install of 14.04, do your wine+teamviewer there?
[23:39] <apb1963> well... I still need to log out and mount it then copy /home to the new partition, etc.... but that's just a formality (that will take an hour to move the files)
[23:40] <valorie> so you have one safe, stable system
[23:40] <valorie> and another where you can live on the edge
[23:40] <apb1963> it's a good idea in theory, the problem is that I have one machine... and it's running my asterisk server.  Without it, I have no phone.
[23:40] <valorie> in essence that's how I use my old test laptop
[23:40] <valorie> ah, got it
[23:41] <valorie> I was talking to my son yesterday about my little 5 year old netbook, which I use while traveling
[23:42] <valorie> it was so bad (slow) and unreliable my last trip, I've sworn to replace it
[23:42] <apb1963> being poor causes all kinds of problems.  Money would solve all of these issues.  I'd simply put asterisk on it's own server, etc.
[23:42] <valorie> he says chromebooks are like $200
[23:42] <facepalm> Yes they are.
[23:42] <valorie> sure
[23:42] <valorie> I'm thinking that's what I'll do when I have a couple of hundred sitting around
[23:43] <valorie> I'm sure I paid more for the netbook 5+ years ago
[23:43] <facepalm> Probably, seems like 5 or 6 years ago they were just coming out.
[23:43] <valorie> it's running 14.10 right now
[23:43] <valorie> which is pretty impressive
[23:44] <apb1963> I paid $5000 for a 1GB disk drive, back when it was one of the first ones.  Prices come down :)
[23:44] <facepalm> What DE?
[23:44] <valorie> kubuntu
[23:44] <facepalm> Nice.
[23:44] <valorie> slow as all get out, but it's an atom
[23:44] <valorie> everything is slow
[23:44] <facepalm> I'm surprised at how kubuntu is running, thought I would see a slow down vs. xubuntu but I'm not.
[23:45] <apb1963> wine isn't even in universe
[23:45] <valorie> I think Qt is getting more and more efficient
[23:46] <rcw2> hi, i have a usb external wifi device... it works, but sometimes when I unplug it and plug it back in, it doesn't get recognized anymore.  I can sometimes plug it into another usb port and it works again, but eventually all usb ports may no longer recognize it.  any suggestions? can i reset the ports?  would that help?
[23:46] <valorie> apb1963: apt-cache search shows: wine - Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (meta-package)
[23:46] <apb1963> oh wait... it is in universe
[23:46] <apb1963> valorie:  that doesn't show where it is
[23:47] <valorie> $ apt-cache policy wine
[23:47] <valorie> wine:
[23:47] <valorie>   Installed: (none)
[23:47] <valorie>   Candidate: 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu4
[23:47] <valorie>   Version table:
[23:47] <valorie>      1:1.6.2-0ubuntu4 0
[23:47] <valorie>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe amd64 Packages
[23:48] <tsimpson> !info wine
[23:48] <apb1963> yeah, universe
[23:48] <apb1963> I thought I had changed sources.list but I didn't
[23:48] <apb1963> well, I guess I'm taking the plunge
[23:49] <valorie> best of luck~
[23:49]  * valorie goes to eat dinner
[23:49] <apb1963> it appears to only install new files... although it also installs new packages... and there's no telling what those will install
[23:49] <apb1963> thanks.  Enjoy