[00:09] <vadi> I'm a developer - is it possible to get access to errors on errors.ubuntu.com for my application?
[00:15]  * ahoneybun has access but does not know why
[00:17] <ahoneybun> It might be because I am a Ubuntu member
[00:18] <Akiva-Mobile> ahoneybun, ah sorry; every so often some kids stop me to teach them a bit of piano
[00:19] <Akiva-Mobile> Happy to hear about your first app.
[00:19] <ahoneybun> Akiva-Mobile, its ok
[00:19] <ahoneybun> Akiva-Mobile, it is a basic app but something lol
[00:20] <Akiva-Mobile> yep; our first ones always are
[00:20] <ahoneybun> just wish I could the click package to work
[00:20] <Akiva-Mobile> yah; you might want to give the development team some feedback on that
[00:20] <Akiva-Mobile> I am not exactly sure how it works either.
[00:21] <ahoneybun> Akiva-Mobile, I just saw that the Kernel devs put 3.16.3 into the kernel with 14.10
[00:21]  * ahoneybun wishes he know who to report his problem too
[00:21]  * Akiva-Mobile yells at guake 
[00:21] <ahoneybun> lo
[00:22] <ahoneybun> XD
[00:23]  * ahoneybun yells at mhall119, popey  (only people he knows)
[00:23] <Akiva-Mobile> they are probably not working atm. its sunday for them afaik
[00:24] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, o/
[00:24] <ahoneybun> not mhall119
[00:25] <ahoneybun> ahayzen_, \o
[00:25] <ahoneybun> he is in the same timezone as me
[00:25] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, the fact the templates don't pass shows probably something with the actual review tool
[00:25] <ahoneybun> yea ahayzen_
[00:25] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, but u actually get a .click its just ur on a read-only image so.... yeah...u could go write but i thought there was a way for it to work without
[00:26] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, and p opey is in the same timezone as me and it is 0125am on sunday
[00:26] <ahoneybun> ahayzen_, I want to r/w mode to set my APN for mobile data to darn work as well
[00:27] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, ah right well try $ phablet-config writable-image
[00:27] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, just don't complain at me if bad things happen ;)
[00:27] <ahoneybun> ahayzen_, do that when I'm shelled in?
[00:27] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, that is from ur main machine
[00:28] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, there are a a set of tools phablet-abc ... eg phablet-shell phablet-screenshot etc
[00:28] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, come from the package phablet-tools
[00:29] <ahoneybun> well it rebooted
[00:29] <ahoneybun> not sure how to tell if it worked
[00:29] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, try and write something! aha
[00:29]  * ahoneybun looks for that page about APN setting
[00:29] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, oh ur qtcreator should say "has writeable image" with a tick next to it
[00:30] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, under devices->builder
[00:30] <ahoneybun> it worked!
[00:30] <ahayzen_> \o/
[00:30] <ahoneybun> nice
[00:30] <ahoneybun> my mobile data was the only reason I went back to android for a bit
[00:34] <ahoneybun> I can write to it!
[00:34] <ahayzen_> yey
[00:35] <ahoneybun> I love that I can sudo reboot my phone!
[00:35] <ahoneybun> now to see if it works lol
[00:35] <ahoneybun> it is booting
[00:35] <ahoneybun> if the mobile data works I would kiss you lol
[00:36]  * ahayzen_ hides lol
[00:36] <ahoneybun> understandable lol
[00:37] <ahoneybun> nope
[00:37] <ahayzen_> :/
[00:37]  * ahoneybun looks at page again
[00:38] <ahoneybun> it went back to stock
[00:38] <ahoneybun> in the APN settings
[00:39] <ahayzen_> magic
[00:41] <ahoneybun> I lost power
[00:42] <ahoneybun> and now this bash: phablet-config: command not found
[00:42] <ahoneybun> nvm
[00:42]  * ahoneybun trys again
[00:43] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, you run phablet-config on the pc not the device
[00:43] <ahoneybun> yea trying
[00:44] <ahoneybun> now it is doing noting
[00:44] <ahoneybun> nothing
[00:44] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, because it already is a writeable image? as u made it one earlier?
[00:44] <ahoneybun> yea but I could not save my changes to the file for apn
[00:45] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, how were you trying to change them?
[00:45] <ahoneybun> nano
[00:45] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, u'll likely need $ sudo nano
[00:45] <ahoneybun> yep
[00:46] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, which bug report is it that you are looking at anyway?
[00:46] <ahoneybun> well I'm looking at this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting/Tips#Add_APN_Settings
[00:47] <ahoneybun> ok I made the changes
[00:49] <ahoneybun> nothing
[00:50] <ahoneybun> it keeps rewriting it back to stock settings
[00:51] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, i guess when it restarts it overwrites it or something?
[00:51] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, probably best to speak to some ofono people in the week
[00:51] <ahoneybun> yea but it says to reboot the phone
[00:52] <ahoneybun> yea I don;t know who they are
[00:52] <ahoneybun> brb
[00:55]  * ahoneybun flys in
[01:07] <IbrahimA> hmm in my html5 app, i made two tabs, now when i click on the heading thing it shows the second tab and takes me there but then i cant get back to the main tab
[01:08] <IbrahimA> not sure what the deal is
[01:08] <IbrahimA> also, is there a way to change tabs programmatically?
[01:08] <IbrahimA> i dont even seem to have a back button
[01:09] <ahayzen_> IbrahimA, if your just switching tabs surely u would go back in the same way you got there?
[01:09] <ahayzen_> IbrahimA, the back button only appears when you push pages onto the stack (in QML at least)
[01:10] <IbrahimA> in html5 there are two methods of navigation, tab based and pagestack, as far as i know
[01:10] <ahayzen_> IbrahimA, yeah the same in QML... we usually mix them together
[01:11] <IbrahimA> i thought the tab thing would be simpler because this is kind of a throwaway thing but i dont understand how it works
[01:11] <IbrahimA> so like
[01:11] <IbrahimA> my app starts with "AppName >" at the top
[01:11] <IbrahimA> if i click on the > it shows me the other tabs
[01:11] <IbrahimA> but then when i go to the other tabs clicking on the title thing doesnt show the tab list again
[01:12] <ahayzen_> hmm that doesn't sound right
[01:13] <IbrahimA> hmm, it seems like the tab list is a positional thing, so now i made 3 tabs and when i go to the middle tab and then go up to the top i can see the third tab
[01:13] <IbrahimA> but not hte first
[01:13] <IbrahimA> i.e. i cant go back
[01:14] <IbrahimA> i wonder if this is a touch interface thing, like would i swipe to go back or something?
[01:14] <IbrahimA> the only reason im doing this is because i wanted to make a desktop app but i've never used gtk or qt and i've done a bit of web dev so i figured html5 would be the easiest way to go
[01:14] <ahayzen_> IbrahimA, weird i guess you need to find someone that does html5 apps as i don't know how they work sorry :/
[01:14] <IbrahimA> :/
[01:15] <ahayzen_> IbrahimA, QML isn't that tricky it is basically javascript/css syntax anyway lol
[01:15] <IbrahimA> hmm
[01:15] <ahayzen_> IbrahimA, there are some tabbed examples here if u are interested in QML  https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Components.Tabs/
[01:16] <ahayzen_> IbrahimA, but even if you choose QML you should probably chase someone up with that HTML5 issue as that doesn't sound right
[01:18] <IbrahimA> it's quite possible i did something wrong but i cant imagine what
[01:18] <IbrahimA> i guess i should spin up a new project and just try to make three tabs and see what happens
[01:18] <ahayzen_> IbrahimA, you've seen the docs right (just checking)? http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/html5/sdk-14.10/UbuntuUI.Tabs/
[01:18] <IbrahimA> yeah, the docs are kind of useless lol
[01:19] <ahayzen_> heh
[01:19] <IbrahimA> i cant figure out how you would programmatically change tabs, that seems like an obvious thing
[01:20]  * ahayzen_ wonders if u can even do that in QML as the property is read-only according to the docs
[01:22] <ahayzen_> IbrahimA, i can do tabs.selectedTabIndex = 1 to switch to that index in QML so maybe an equivalent in HTML5
[01:22] <IbrahimA> ah ok
[01:26] <ahoneybun> http://www.softpedia.com/reviews/linux/Ubuntu-Touch-Review-459511.shtml
[01:27] <IbrahimA> aha, it does work, thanks!
[01:27] <IbrahimA> leaky abstractions ftw
[02:53]  * ahoneybun really likes QML
[03:07] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ahoneybun, heh
[03:07] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ahoneybun, APL is better :P
[03:11] <ahoneybun> Akiva-Thinkpad, APL?
[03:11] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ahoneybun, yah, a programming language
[03:11] <ahoneybun> well QML is C++ no?
[03:12] <Akiva-Thinkpad> QML is QML
[03:13] <Akiva-Thinkpad> APL - literally stands for - A Programming Language
[03:23] <IbrahimA> is there a way to show notifications in ubuntu sdk apps? (html5 preferably)
[03:24] <IbrahimA> except this is a desktop app, but i imagine the same thing would work across desktop or mobile
[03:24] <IbrahimA> basically i just want something like notify-send except maybe a little more useful
[03:25] <IbrahimA> like, perhaps something with actionable notifications like android has (can click on a button in the notification to do something)
[03:26] <IbrahimA> APL: because who doesn't want to write code like
[03:26] <IbrahimA> life←{↑1 ⍵∨.∧3 4=+/,¯1 0 1∘.⊖¯1 0 1∘.⌽⊂⍵}
[03:28] <Akiva-Thinkpad> IbrahimA, thats like 5000 lines of java right there
[03:28] <Akiva-Thinkpad> :)
[03:28] <IbrahimA> probably
[03:28] <Akiva-Thinkpad> lol
[03:28] <Akiva-Thinkpad> not even kidding its funny
[03:29] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I think thats why a lot of businesses like java; it makes them feel productive given all the code they have to write.
[03:43]  * ahoneybun started a blog to get into planet.ubuntu.com
[04:05] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ahoneybun, ah very cool
[11:35]  * ahoneybun was thinking of taking a GoPro to a FOSS Con
[13:08] <justcarakas> hello
[13:08] <justcarakas> Can someone help me with the actions in the header ?
[13:10] <ahoneybun> justcarakas, I'm not to familiar with it
[13:11] <justcarakas> I get the error could not resolve UnityActions,Action
[13:11] <ahoneybun> just did not want you to feel that no one is listening :)
[13:11] <justcarakas> hehe thx:)
[13:11] <ahoneybun> I know I would not want that feeling XD
[13:11] <justcarakas> true that :)
[13:12] <justcarakas> I gues finding help on a sunday is not as easy as finding it on a weekday :p
[13:12] <ahoneybun> yea kinda
[13:13] <ahoneybun> I know popey is at XDA DevCon
[13:18] <justcarakas> to bad, I was first making my app in html5 but when I tried it out it was too slow
[13:18] <justcarakas> so I desided to give qml a try
[13:21] <ahayzen> justcarakas, IIRC UnityActions don't exist anymore you should just use Action ... let me see if i can find the mail
[13:21] <justcarakas> well I'm trying this atm
[13:21] <justcarakas>     Page {
[13:21] <justcarakas>         title: i18n.tr("Kamisado")
[13:21] <justcarakas>         id: page
[13:21] <justcarakas>         head.actions: [
[13:21] <justcarakas>             Action {
[13:21] <justcarakas>                 iconName: "add"
[13:21] <justcarakas>                 text: i18n.tr("Search")
[13:21] <justcarakas>             }
[13:21] <justcarakas>         ]
[13:21] <justcarakas>         Board{}
[13:21] <ahayzen> justcarakas, this was the email https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg09721.html
[13:21] <justcarakas>     }
[13:21] <justcarakas> but it doesn't work
[13:21] <justcarakas> Cannot assign to non-existent property "head"
[13:22] <ahayzen> justcarakas, ok let me check what we do...
[13:23] <ahayzen> justcarakas, hmm that should work mind pastebin'ing the file? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[13:24] <justcarakas> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8447740/
[13:26] <ahoneybun> morning ahayzen
[13:26] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, o/ 'morning'
[13:27] <ahoneybun> morning here anyway 9:30am
[13:27] <justcarakas> any idea ahayzen ?
[13:27] <ahayzen> justcarakas, strange thats what the docs say todo https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Components.Page/
[13:27] <justcarakas> I know :s
[13:27] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, 1430 here...but i only just got  up :P
[13:27] <justcarakas> i got it from there
[13:28] <ahayzen> justcarakas, let me check what some of the coreapps that use it do...
[13:28] <justcarakas> is it possible that I need to install something on my laptop ?
[13:28] <justcarakas> I have the sdk
[13:29] <ahayzen> justcarakas, ah PageHeadState {}
[13:29] <ahoneybun> ahayzen, I tested building a app with the default settings and it still crashed, so I mailed the mailing list
[13:29] <ahayzen> justcarakas, but that was for doing more advanced things i thought...
[13:29] <ahayzen> justcarakas, hang on we have an 'Add' action in music app what do we do lol...
[13:30] <ahayzen> justcarakas, heh we do http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8447769/
[13:30] <ahayzen> justcarakas, you just want a button in the header right?
[13:30] <justcarakas> jup
[13:31] <ahayzen> justcarakas, ^^ is how we do it...but that looks legacy..but it works aha
[13:31] <justcarakas> it works indeed
[13:31] <ahayzen> justcarakas, docs are here https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Components.ToolbarItems/
[13:32] <ahayzen> justcarakas, you could check with t1mp if that is the correct way of doing it when he is about
[13:32] <justcarakas> oki I will, thanks for helping me otu
[13:32] <justcarakas> out
[13:32] <ahayzen> justcarakas, no problem
[13:33] <ahayzen> justcarakas, you can see clock uses PageHeadState for the add alarm header button http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/utopic-3.0/view/head:/app/alarm/AlarmPage.qml#L33
[13:40] <ahoneybun> wait does the clock get synced with the desktop too 0.o
[13:42] <justcarakas> any Idea where I can find the provided icons ?
[13:42] <ahoneybun> justcarakas, icons for ubuntu touch?
[13:42] <justcarakas> uhu
[13:42] <ahoneybun> ?
[13:42] <justcarakas> yes
[13:43] <justcarakas> where I can find what else is provided next to that add icon
[13:43] <ahoneybun> justcarakas, /usr/share/icons/suru
[13:43] <justcarakas> thx
[13:43] <ahoneybun> np
[13:44]  * ahoneybun saw that somewhere on the docs 
[13:44] <DanChapman_> justcarakas: it's odd your approach using head.actions isn't working. I use it exactly the same way in dekko without issue http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dpniel/dekko/trunk-1/view/head:/src/Ubuntu/qml/AccountsView/AccountsPage.qml
[13:44] <ahoneybun> I don't remember though
[13:44]  * ahoneybun gives a shout out to DanChapman_ for his cool email client
[13:45]  * justcarakas joins the shout out
[13:45] <justcarakas> is it posible that I need to add a ppa or something DanChapman_
[13:45] <ahoneybun> DanChapman_, do you use T-Mobile or AT&T on your phone?
[13:45] <ahayzen> justcarakas, yeah u may need a newer SDK or something...u on trusty?
[13:45] <justcarakas> I am
[13:46] <ahoneybun> ahayzen, I saw that one developer uses trusty for his dev
[13:46]  * ahayzen uses trusty
[13:46] <ahoneybun> but he says that he will have to upgrade as trusty is not getting the updated stuff for ubuntu touch development or something like that
[13:46]  * ahoneybun looks for link
[13:46] <ahayzen> but then i don't run the app on desktop lol i just deploy to device to test
[13:47] <justcarakas> so it is because I'm on trusty ?
[13:47] <ahoneybun> ahayzen, justcarakas http://nik90.com/a-core-app-devs-workflow/
[13:47] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, yeah nik90 managed to get it all working on trusty :)
[13:48] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, probably i have is the latest mediascanner2 doesn't work well on trusty so sortof breaks the music-app lol
[13:48] <ahayzen> *problem
[13:48] <DanChapman_> justcarakas: ahh if you are on trusty then yes it probably won't work as alot of the *new stuff* can't be backported easily.
[13:48] <justcarakas> hmm
[13:49]  * ahoneybun runs utopic just fine
[13:49] <justcarakas> is there a way to upgrade ? with dist upgrade or something ?
[13:49] <ahoneybun> yea
[13:50] <DanChapman_> justcarakas: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[13:50]  * ahoneybun gets beat by DanChapman_ 
[13:50]  * justcarakas crosses fingers
[13:50] <ahoneybun> justcarakas, you should be fine
[13:51] <justcarakas> :)
[13:51] <ahoneybun> ahayzen, I still don't have mobile data :(
[13:52] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, :( ask someone in #ubuntu-touch tomorrow when more people are about
[13:52]  * ahoneybun wonders if him using his usb 3.0 port might effect it
[13:52] <justcarakas> I just hope my screen doesn't break again :) Ive been working for 2 days to get my 21:9 screen working, problem is if I use nvidia 343 I have lag and I write code but my screen still shows the previous code :p
[13:53] <DanChapman_> ahoneybun: sorry didn't see yoru question. I use giffgaff on my phone. It's a UK only network i believe...
[13:53] <ahoneybun> I see thanks DanChapman_
[13:53]  * ahoneybun has no mobile data on Straight Talk on Ubuntu Touch
[13:54] <ahoneybun> ahayzen, seems I'm still on r/w mode
[13:54] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, yep u will be
[13:54] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, not sure if/how you go the other way
[13:54] <ahoneybun> yea lol
[13:58] <ahoneybun> ahayzen, I saw that when I reboot my bluetooth gets turned back on
[13:59] <ahoneybun> so I think it will not keep any changes I make
[13:59] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, probably a bug i remember seeing something about that
[13:59] <ahoneybun> oh crap
[13:59] <ahoneybun> I have working data
[13:59] <ahoneybun> I turned wifi off and it loaded a website
[13:59] <ahoneybun> !!!
[14:00] <ahoneybun> but if I reboot I have to do that again
[14:00] <ahayzen> \o/
[14:00]  * ahoneybun tests DanChapman_ email to see if it is not me being crazy
[14:01] <ahoneybun> DanChapman_, does your email client not support outlook?
[14:02] <ahoneybun> never mind
[14:02] <ahoneybun> no data
[14:02] <ahoneybun> weir
[14:02] <ahoneybun> d
[14:02] <ahoneybun> well back to the drawing board
[14:03]  * ahoneybun looks for food
[14:03] <DanChapman_> ahoneybun: yes it works through it's imap implementation. No EWS support at the moment. Although outlook is severly lacking on the IMAP front so it's actually quite slow and they like to close the connections way before the 30min cut-off
[14:03] <DanChapman_> but yeah it *should* just work
[14:04] <ahoneybun> I was missing data DanChapman_ so it is my fault
[14:07] <ahoneybun> I wonder if I have to put back to read only mode
[14:12]  * DanChapman_ has noticed an increasing frequency of daily downloads for new users recently. It's so cool to see!!
[14:13] <ahoneybun> DanChapman_, you app pretty cool
[14:13] <ahoneybun> *is pretty
[14:13] <ahoneybun> I just have webapps in the store for the moment
[14:15] <DanChapman_> ahayzen: do you know if there is any documentation for UserMetrics I can't find any on developer.u.c
[14:16] <DanChapman_> ahoneybun: nice!! which webapps are yours?
[14:17] <ahoneybun> DanChapman_, WellsFargo, GotoBus, BrowardCollege (though I don't like it), and IGN
[14:17] <ahayzen> DanChapman_, erm there maybe hang on...
[14:17] <ahoneybun> I can't see any Stats for my apps
[14:17] <ahoneybun> oh
[14:17] <ahoneybun> for IGN there is one download
[14:18] <ahoneybun> someone from germeny
[14:18] <ahoneybun> *germany
[14:18] <ahayzen> DanChapman_, i can't see any but u can copy from us http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/trunk/view/head:/music-app.qml#L499
[14:19] <ahoneybun> DanChapman_, I do have a real app ready for upload but I can't get it to build
[14:20] <ahayzen> DanChapman_, IIRC nik90 was my 'documentation' .. http://nik90.com/adding-infographics-to-ubuntu-phone/
[14:21] <DanChapman_> ahayzen: that's great, that will do the job nicely. Thanks :-)
[14:21] <DanChapman_> ahoneybun: awesome.. i'll have to check them out :-)
[14:21] <ahoneybun> DanChapman_, yea it is really just a list of states (but something :)
[14:21] <ahoneybun> thanks
[14:23] <ahoneybun> :)
[14:39]  * ahoneybun can't get Dekko to open DanChapman_ 
[14:40] <DanChapman_> ahoneybun: does it just die out on the loading screen?
[14:44] <ahoneybun> yep
[14:44] <DanChapman_> ahoneybun: can you paste the log somewhere for me please
[14:44] <ahoneybun> I'm on devel-proposed I believe
[14:44] <ahoneybun> just tell me how and I'll have it on pastie.ubuntu.com in no time
[14:46] <ahoneybun> DanChapman_, just tell me how :)
[14:48] <DanChapman_> ahoneybun: it should be in ~/.local/share/ somewhere my batteries dead atm so I can't tell you exactly :-D
[14:50]  * DanChapman_ plugs phone in
[14:55] <ahoneybun> I found the .desktop file
[14:57] <DanChapman_> ahoneybun: sorry it's under ~/.cache/upstart/
[14:59] <ahoneybun> DanChapman_, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8448302/
[15:06] <DanChapman_> ahoneybun: ok can your try deleting the config file and create new account it's under ~/.config/com.ubuntu.developer.dpniel.dekko/
[15:07] <DanChapman_> there is a bug around deleting an account which a fix is coming in the next update so for now the whole file needs deleting
[15:09] <DanChapman_> ahoneybun: can you also not save your password when you re-create the account.
[15:09] <ahoneybun> ok it opened
[15:10] <ahoneybun> I did not see a option to save password
[15:11] <DanChapman_> ahoneybun: just leave the password field empty :-)
[15:11] <ahoneybun> opps
[15:11] <DanChapman_> ok don't worry we'll go with password instead.
[15:11] <ahoneybun> I'm redoing it
[15:12] <DanChapman_> ok cool once you have re-done it can you open the account settings again. (Left swipe the account) and go to the "About" tab and long press the dekko icon and enable developer mode
[15:13] <DanChapman_> you then need to close and re-open dekko and you should have a settings button visible on the mailbox view
[15:15] <ahoneybun> ok
[15:15] <ahoneybun> I have a option to enable imap logging
[15:16]  * ahoneybun wishes he could save his password
[15:17] <DanChapman_> yes can you enable it for me and also you can save your password now if you wish on the imap & smtp settings tabs. Then close and reopen dekko again and tell me if it fails to start again
[15:20] <ahoneybun> how do I get out of mailbox view?
[15:20] <DanChapman_> did it open up into mailbox view after restart?
[15:21] <ahoneybun> i did not restart
[15:21] <ahoneybun> I want to save my password
[15:21] <ahoneybun> got it
[15:21] <DanChapman_> right.. click on the little account icon in the header
[15:22] <ahoneybun> got it
[15:22] <ahoneybun> it opened up fine
[15:23] <DanChapman_> shucks i was actually hoping it would die out. :-) ok try opening and closing it a few times to make sure.
[15:26]  * ahoneybun opens it 2 more times and it works fine
[15:27] <ahoneybun> and one more time and still works
[15:27] <DanChapman_> ahoneybun: \o/ well at least it's not broken. Must have been a misconfiguration going on somewhere. I have a feeling it was the password watcher. But anyway glad it's working again you can disable developer mode the same way you enabled it btw
[15:28] <ahoneybun> ok thanks
[17:48] <mihir> nik90, ping
[17:48] <mihir> nik90, i pushed some trivial MR, if you could review them when you get time.
[17:50] <ahoneybun> hey mihir do you have a N4?
[17:54] <mihir> ahoneybun, hey yes i do have
[18:03] <ahoneybun> mihir, do you have tmobile with it? and working mobile data?
[18:05] <mihir> ahoneybun, nope i am in India and I am on Vodafone
[18:06] <ahoneybun> oh
[18:23] <nik90> ahoneybun: I have a N4 and the mobile data works properly
[18:24] <ahoneybun> nik90, oh yea>
[18:25] <ahoneybun> I can't
[18:25] <ahoneybun> I have straight talk with tmobile sim
[18:25] <nik90> mihir: I can't test since I am having trouble running apps (all) on the emulator and device. As such I am kinda stuck until tomorrow
[18:26] <nik90> ahoneybun: I am not sure, I just started dogfooding my device 2 days ago
[18:29] <mihir> nik90, ahh you upgraded ?
[18:29] <mihir> nik90, i just freshly installed utopic :|
[18:30] <nik90> mihir: nope I am sticking with trusty
[18:30] <mihir> setting up machine
[18:30] <mihir> nik90, okay :)
[18:30] <nik90> mihir: it seems like an update may have borked my qtc running apps on an external device
[18:30] <nik90> since it spits out some errors and doesn't go further
[18:30] <nik90> I need to talk to the sdk folks tomorrow
[18:30] <mihir> nik90, hmm may be..
[18:31] <mihir> nik90, i believe my both issues should be resolved , emulator & device
[18:31]  * mihir hopes to get his issues resolved :D
[18:33] <ahoneybun> do you guys nik90 mihir have android 4.4.2 and then flash ubuntu touch or can you be on 4.4.4 and then flash?
[18:33] <ahoneybun> nik90, I cant build my app
[18:36] <mihir> nik90, are you facing this issue : unable to use mouse scroll on SDK ?
[18:37] <nik90> ahoneybun: I flashed the phone a long time ago when I guess it came with 4.4.2..not sure...but I don't think it matters anyway
[18:37] <nik90> mihir: nope
[18:37] <ahoneybun> mihir, i can;t scroll on the code in sdk
[18:38] <mihir> nik90, Hmmm i am not sure why it is not able to scroll inside SDK , otherwise it works
[18:38] <mihir> ahoneybun, yeah same here
[18:39] <ahoneybun> mihir, I got a few errors when trying to build my click package
[19:16] <mihir> popey, nik90, one suggestion required, what would you suggest to user , to make selected at least one calendar from list of calendars  or you won't allow them to create an event if there are no calendar selected ?
[19:48] <Akiva-Thinkpad> afternoon all
[19:52] <ahoneybun> hey Akiva-Thinkpad
[19:52] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ahoneybun, what you working on today?
[19:53] <Akiva-Thinkpad> still trying to get the thing packaged?
[19:54] <ahoneybun> Akiva-Thinkpad, there has no updates so I doubt it would magically work
[19:54] <Akiva-Thinkpad> mmmmm okay
[19:54] <ahoneybun> nope still errors
[19:55] <Akiva-Thinkpad> too bad
[19:55] <ahoneybun> today someone in #ubuntu-touch as been helping me try to get mobile data
[19:55] <ahoneybun> working
[19:56]  * ahoneybun wonders if trying the devel or rtm channel would help
[19:56] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ahoneybun, so after rtm; what app do you want to work on?
[19:56] <ahoneybun> Akiva-Thinkpad, no clue
[19:56] <ahoneybun> guess I'll have to find one soon
[19:57] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ahoneybun, remember; we are using Go
[19:57] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ahoneybun, I got an idea
[19:57] <ahoneybun> Akiva-Thinkpad, yea I remember
[19:58] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ahoneybun, how about a wifi password software based brute forcer
[19:58] <ahoneybun> thats a bit high tech for me
[19:58] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ahoneybun, so?
[19:58] <Akiva-Thinkpad> its easy
[19:58] <ahoneybun> Akiva-Thinkpad, maybe to you
[19:58] <Akiva-Thinkpad> no its not as complicated as you think.
[19:59] <Akiva-Thinkpad> besides, we are using Go; so it will be new for both of us.
[19:59] <ahoneybun> yea but if you know one programming language it is easier to learn
[19:59] <ahoneybun> I kinda know C++
[19:59] <ahoneybun> like really kinda
[20:00] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Challenge yourself
[20:02] <ahoneybun> maybe
[20:02] <ahoneybun> well I help where I can but I have to want to do *that* project
[20:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> fair enough
[20:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Considering i'm always in need of wifi, i'd use it.
[20:04] <ahoneybun> so you'll hack a wifi to use i
[20:04] <ahoneybun> *it
[20:05] <Akiva-Thinkpad> probably
[20:05] <ahoneybun> oh
[20:16] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ahoneybun, what are you interested in, in general?
[20:16] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I tutor economics, I am teaching myself the piano, I like playing with spreadsheets.
[20:16] <Akiva-Thinkpad> so I make applications in accordance to that.
[20:17] <Akiva-Thinkpad> What about you; perhaps we can find something you are interested in and create an application around that.
[20:27] <vitimiti> hi
[20:38] <Akiva-Thinkpad> vitimiti, heya
[20:40] <vitimiti> Hi, Akiva-Thinkpad
[20:40] <Akiva-Thinkpad> vitimiti, whats new?
[20:41] <vitimiti> I installed 14.04 again and my app now says that the head.actions property doesn't exist. I guess it's a Trusty problem, because I do have the 1.1 components installed
[20:41] <vitimiti> I should upgrade again, tonight
[20:42] <mivoligo> mzanetti: hi, great animation effect for the level difficulty :)
[20:42] <mzanetti> mivoligo: hi.
[20:42] <mzanetti> mivoligo: I changed it a little
[20:42] <mivoligo> mzanetti: for the better, I'd say
[20:43] <mzanetti> mivoligo: hope you like it. when I was done with how you specced it, I felt that bar seemed a bit stuck
[20:43] <mzanetti> so I tweaked it a little
[20:43] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I love the effect :)
[20:44] <mzanetti> cool
[20:44] <mivoligo> mzanetti: only problem is the circle positions are bit off
[20:44] <mzanetti> hmm... are they
[20:45] <mzanetti> mivoligo: how? looks quite ok here
[20:45] <mivoligo> mzanetti: http://screencloud.net/v/3SuO
[20:46] <mzanetti> oh... that's off indeed
[20:46] <mzanetti> and those icons :D
[20:46] <mzanetti> it looks totally different then here :D
[20:46] <mivoligo> :D
[20:47] <mzanetti> mivoligo: http://i.imgur.com/nNg6Cdx.png
[20:47] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I guess it's because I'm on 14.04
[20:48] <mzanetti> the different icons, yes, the different size of the icons no
[20:48] <mivoligo> mzanetti: your window is bigger than mine, I think
[20:49] <mzanetti> yes, but I think its because of the different grid size
[20:50] <mzanetti> yeah... can reproduce. will fix
[20:50] <Akiva-Thinkpad> vitimiti, ah snakes
[20:51] <vitimiti> Akiva-Thinkpad, nvm, it's quick (if there's enough internet speed)
[20:51] <mivoligo> mzanetti: also I submitted a bug report after testing/playing a bit with my children
[20:51] <mzanetti> :D
[20:51]  * mzanetti looks
[20:52] <mzanetti> right. have noticed that too. but forgot about it already
[20:52] <mzanetti> thanks for the bug
[20:52] <vitimiti> mzanetti, what game is it? Would like to test it too
[20:52] <mivoligo> mzanetti: no problemo, they like the game so far :)
[20:52] <mzanetti> vitimiti: lp:machines-vs-machines
[20:53] <vitimiti> mzanetti, thanks, will compile it now
[20:53] <vitimiti> Dang it, forgot I needed to update my public key
[20:53] <mzanetti> vitimiti: you need to run ./setupdata.py in the data directory
[20:53] <vitimiti> mzanetti, thanks, will do
[20:55] <mzanetti> mivoligo: is the carousel ok?
[20:55] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I think so
[20:55] <mzanetti> I'm not entirely happy with it... but not sure how to improve
[20:55] <mzanetti> the animation seems still a bit odd to me
[20:58] <mivoligo> mzanetti: hmm.. for me is fine, maybe a bit to slow
[20:59] <mivoligo> mzanetti: also no "+" sign here but you probably aware of that
[21:02] <mivoligo> mzanetti: btw, now when we have different difficulty levels, we should add info about it on the level selection page
[21:02] <mzanetti> yep
[21:04] <mzanetti> mivoligo: I've pushed some fixes. now sizes schould be better
[21:04] <mivoligo> mzanetti: and about the settings: should we have different settings for different levelpacks? Or one settings for all of them?
[21:04] <mzanetti> mivoligo: only one settings page
[21:05] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ok, so maybe we should remove "reset scores" from settings?
[21:05] <mzanetti> mivoligo: hmm
[21:06] <mzanetti> where would you move it to?
[21:06] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I thought about some kind of scoreboard
[21:07] <mzanetti> we're not really counting any scores though
[21:08] <mzanetti> this is mostly what's unlocked so far and current star balance
[21:08] <mivoligo> mzanetti: right, but what happen if a player wants to reset scores only for one levelpack and not the other?
[21:08] <mzanetti> yeah... makes sense
[21:08] <mzanetti> it could also make sense to only reset scores for a certain difficulty
[21:08] <mzanetti> so in theory it would belong to the level selector page
[21:09] <mzanetti> but not sure how good it fits there
[21:09] <vitimiti> Oh, I didn't have inkscape installed
[21:09] <mivoligo> mzanetti: yep, maybe a click on the star with score there whould open a dialog for that?
[21:10] <mzanetti> mivoligo: yeah, we could do that
[21:10] <mivoligo> mzanetti: btw, sizes looks fine and circles are centered now :)
[21:10] <mzanetti> :)
[21:11] <mivoligo> upss, crashed when I was resizing the window
[21:14] <mivoligo> mzanetti: can you also center "easy", "medium" and "hard" under related circle, please?
[21:14] <mzanetti> not working?
[21:15] <mzanetti> mivoligo: that should be already the case
[21:15] <mivoligo> mzanetti: text is bit of here: http://screencloud.net/v/21Hw
[21:16] <mzanetti> sizes seem still wrong
[21:16] <mivoligo> mzanetti: they are smaller in smaller window
[21:17] <mzanetti> yeah. the fonts don't scale with the window size
[21:17] <mzanetti> and the play button at the bottom neither
[21:18] <Akiva-Thinkpad> anyone know if you can do dictionary lists in qml?
[21:19] <Akiva-Thinkpad> you know, key, definition sort of thing?
[21:19] <mivoligo> mzanetti: one more thing, does the difficulty selection background is exported to png? I don't see the blur
[21:20] <mzanetti> Akiva-Thinkpad: FolderListModel
[21:20] <vitimiti> mzanetti, it looks gorgeous. But I'm really bad at it
[21:20] <mzanetti> mivoligo: no, it's not
[21:21] <mzanetti> mivoligo: still have to clean up game artwork
[21:21] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ok
[21:21] <mzanetti> mivoligo: I don't have svg's of all the stuff
[21:21] <mzanetti> mivoligo: when you have some time, could you add the missing ones?
[21:21] <mivoligo> mzanetti: can you file a bug
[21:21] <mzanetti> sure
[21:21] <mivoligo> thanks
[21:21] <mzanetti> mivoligo: fixed the remaining scaling issues in MainPage
[21:22] <mzanetti> the button on the text still doesn't scale
[21:22] <mivoligo> mzanetti: should we make custom icons for settings and stuff or do you want to use Ubuntu default?
[21:23] <mzanetti> mivoligo: hmm... what do you think?
[21:23] <mzanetti> Ubuntu Suru icons are quite nice imo
[21:23] <mzanetti> vitimiti: heh, don't give up :)
[21:24] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I don't know if you can change their color
[21:24] <mzanetti> mivoligo: yes, I can change the color
[21:24]  * ahoneybun does some graphic work mzanetti 
[21:24] <mivoligo> ok then
[21:24] <mzanetti> ahoneybun: ?
[21:24] <vitimiti> marcoceppi, haha
[21:24] <ahoneybun> game artwork
[21:25] <mzanetti> ahoneybun: interesting. you searching for something to work on?
[21:25] <ahoneybun> mzanetti, I just go with the flow really, I can't say I'm a expert but I try
[21:28] <mzanetti> ahoneybun: well, so I think with general machines vs machines artwork we're quite set by now. You could however, create a level pack with your own towers, enemies and levels.
[21:28] <ahoneybun> nice
[21:29]  * ahoneybun makes banners and logos mostly
[21:30] <mivoligo> ahoneybun: icon for the game is not yet done, so you can give it a shot :)
[21:30] <ahoneybun> oh :)
[21:30] <mzanetti> also, last days I had a play with Bacon2D and looks like there might be another game upcoming...  something like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/PuzzleOfDexterity.jpg
[21:31] <ahoneybun> mivoligo, shot me some level designs to get concepts and ideas from please
[21:31] <mivoligo> ahoneybun: it's a tower defence game
[21:32] <ahoneybun> mivoligo, ok cool
[21:32] <mivoligo> ahoneybun: mzanetti posted link how to get a game
[21:35] <mzanetti> ahoneybun: if you seriously start on working something, please let me know beforehand to work out details
[21:35] <ahoneybun> mzanetti, I just started a sec ago
[21:37] <mzanetti> ahoneybun: on what?
[21:37] <vitimiti> I would like an icon for an IRC app that didn't suck, mine sucks quite a lot
[21:37] <ahoneybun> a icon
[21:37] <mzanetti> ahoneybun: did you see how the game looks like?
[21:38] <ahoneybun> mzanetti, a bit
[21:38] <mzanetti> :)
[21:38] <mzanetti> ahoneybun: try to keep in line with the general style a bit please
[21:39] <mzanetti> you're free to bring in ideas, but not like going totally different than what we have so far
[21:39]  * ahoneybun thinks he can't do this
[21:39] <mivoligo> mzanetti: btw I think (and probably popey too) a player should not be allowed to mute the music ;)
[21:39] <mzanetti> lol
[21:39] <vitimiti> I don't really see the purpose of that, I just mute the PC if I don't want to listen
[21:40] <mivoligo> mzanetti: my son love the melodies :)
[21:40] <ahoneybun> vitimiti, shot me your current icon
[21:40] <mzanetti> mivoligo: there's more coming up :)
[21:40] <mivoligo> :D great
[21:40] <vitimiti> ahoneybun, it's an svg, I have this picture of it: http://goo.gl/aOdVkE
[21:40] <mzanetti> mivoligo: I've spend like ages to cut the songs in a way that I can loop them :D
[21:41] <mivoligo> mzanetti: it was worth it
[21:41] <mzanetti> you haven't heard them yet :D
[21:41] <mzanetti> but yeah, they're similarly awesome
[21:41] <ahoneybun> I see vitimiti
[21:42]  * mzanetti afk for 5 minutes
[21:42] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I believe :)  ok, I'll catch you tomorrow
[21:42] <vitimiti> ahoneybun, it's horrible
[21:42] <ahoneybun> vitimiti, not the worst
[21:42]  * mivoligo is afk for hours
[21:42] <vitimiti> Well, yeah, it was worse before
[21:43] <vitimiti> But I really need to focus on the UI, afterwards I can work on the backend and then the details
[21:47] <ahoneybun> vitimiti, something like these? https://www.google.com/search?q=quote+bubble&client=ubuntu&hs=nS3&channel=fs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=zIEoVN2BN42LyASawYC4Cw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1855&bih=951
[21:48] <vitimiti> ahoneybun, that happens to me for trying from scartch, I should use some of those, yeah
[21:48] <ahoneybun> vitimiti, I'll do it
[21:48] <ahoneybun> from scartch
[21:49] <vitimiti> ahoneybun, well, that'd be really nice
[21:56] <ahoneybun> vitimiti, shooting you a link to it in a min
[21:56] <ahoneybun> vitimiti, http://imgur.com/vBZkaVh
[21:57] <vitimiti> ahoneybun, opening (slow connection)
[21:57] <ahoneybun> ok
[21:58] <vitimiti> ahoneybun, that looks really really good
[21:58] <vitimiti> I would like to make it clear it is your doing, though
[21:58] <ahoneybun> I saved the .xfc from gimp and I have it in 512by512 for when you upload it to the store
[21:58] <ahoneybun> I have the gimp file
[21:59] <Akiva-Thinkpad> woah
[21:59] <Akiva-Thinkpad> that is cool...
[21:59] <ahoneybun> that is the best I can do to prove
[21:59] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I disabled alt for moving windows in ubuntu
[21:59] <vitimiti> ahoneybun, that's great
[21:59] <Akiva-Thinkpad> and now I can do free flow selecting in the ubuntu sdk
[22:00]  * ahoneybun needs to setup his owncloud to share files easier
[22:01] <ahoneybun> vitimiti, https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6zAAODZFwQ2ZnVfOTloTkZOR2M&usp=sharing
[22:03]  * ahoneybun is on his second mike's hard lemonade
[22:03] <vitimiti> ahoneybun, thanks a lot, seriously. If you want, the same way I posted the first one I can link you from my g+ account with this new icon
[22:04] <ahoneybun> vitimiti, sure np
[22:04] <ahoneybun> just keep on making apps vitimiti ! :)
[22:04] <vitimiti> ahoneybun, yeah, I love the Ubuntu project :)
[22:05] <ahoneybun> sweet me too
[22:05]  * ahoneybun is a Ubuntu member
[22:05] <vitimiti> As soon as I get the Utopic back I'll keep advancing
[22:05] <ahoneybun> I'm utopic right now
[22:06] <ahoneybun> vitimiti, can you make a new project with a simple ui and try to make a click package (I can;t build my app)
[22:06] <vitimiti> ahoneybun, I'm upgrading to utopic right now, actually, I can't do it right now
[22:06] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[22:08] <vitimiti> I am going to share the link and close it all for the upgrade, be back when it's done
[22:08] <vitimiti> ahoneybun, give me the lp:, anyway, I'll try when I upgraded
[22:08] <ahoneybun> vitimiti, no it is a example in the SDK
[22:09] <vitimiti> Oh, alright. Anyway, I've always had problems with the click packages, I'm not sure that this time it'd be different. I still need to learn packaging
[22:11] <vitimiti> I just posted the new icon linking it to you :P
[22:11] <vitimiti> I'm going to upgrade, later
[22:12] <ahoneybun> too bad I don't know his name lol
[22:12] <ahoneybun> his/her
[22:13] <ahoneybun> http://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_451 only open source!
[22:33]  * ahoneybun moves to devel channel