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bhrzI am an Ubuntu newbie and I need one little help04:28
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brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:45
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* p42phone is watching popey tell the history of Ubuntu phone09:52
SuperEngineerp42phone: quick.. give him a call on stage ;009:54
SuperEngineer..find out what ring tone he uses :D09:54
brobostigonlol09:56
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popeySuperEngineer: i muted my phone ☻11:55
SuperEngineerpopey.. spoil sport :)11:56
popeyalthough that would have been interesting as I'm one of only 3 people here with that ringtone11:57
SuperEngineerhope the talk went ok, even without unwanted phone ringing11:58
popeyyeah, it seemed to11:58
popeywasnt video'ed11:58
popeyI'll do the same talk at oggcamp next week11:58
popeywhich might be11:58
SuperEngineernice one11:58
popeywill have to trim it down to 30 mins11:58
* SuperEngineer edits popey's speech for him: "hi, I'm popey - we're building a phone [followed by 25 mins of ringtone], thank you all for listening"12:03
czajkowskipopey: clicker worked :)12:04
SuperEngineerTalking of batteries, anybody know the best place to get a replacement battery for an old Acer netbookthese days [one that doesn't explode on first charge preferably] -a.k.a. reliablly sourced12:12
p42phoneOther than acervi double there's a reputable answer; order a sand bucket at the same time?12:18
p42phoneGah damn autocorrect12:19
SuperEngineerp42phone definite lol12:19
SuperEngineerI have just earned a first [for]: "Ban notification from a Steam Community Moderator — Just now13:22
SuperEngineerYou have been banned from Steam Discussions13:22
SuperEngineerYou have been banned from Steam Discussions by a Steam Community Moderator for your post in "New Steam Discovery Queue is broken!""13:22
SuperEngineer...I'm proud of that :)13:23
MartijnVdSwhat did you say?13:25
SuperEngineersomeone replied to a comment of mine with "spam for badge", so I replied "ham for badge"13:31
SuperEngineercontroversial huh13:31
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bigcalmGood morning peeps :)14:55
bigcalmMy desktop has locked up again, but I can ssh into it. Running htop, I can see the 8th CPU is at 100% usage constantly. But I'm not sure how to find out what's using it14:55
bigcalmI've issued a service lightdm restart and it restart it, from the CLI. But the desktop still shows what was there previously14:56
daftykinsas in a static locked image of the programs you had open prior?15:10
daftykinswhat're the system logs saying?15:11
bigcalmdaftykins: correct. I pasted the syslog to twitter. Looks to be an issue with nvidia. Either HW or SW. I've installed the latest 64 bit driver direct from nvidia. We'll see in time if it fixes things15:16
daftykinshmm fault diagnosis on a text length limited service... that's a skill15:17
bigcalm;)15:17
bigcalmhttps://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/51623805507916595215:18
daftykinsi do like that wording15:19
daftykins"GPU has fallen off the bus"15:19
bigcalmHeh15:19
ali1234i had a GPU lock up like that the other day15:45
ali1234it happens with the nvidia driver from time to time15:45
daftykinsany thoughts on where i should look for a 14.04 system booting to the GRUB menu and not auto advancing?15:53
* daftykins looks at /etc/default/grub15:55
daftykinshttp://paste.ubuntu.com/8448672/15:57
daftykinsi don't get what value there might stop auto boot15:57
penguin42I get the feeling grub stops if it gets upset on previous boots sometimes16:08
daftykinsyeah, recordfail, that's not happening here though16:11
daftykinse.g. if i boot in then immediately reboot, it's still hanging at the menu16:11
daftykinsit's not counting down a timeout value, it's just sitting there permanently16:11
daftykinsthis is highly irritating16:11
ali1234maybe your shift key is stuck down16:12
daftykinslol, nah16:13
daftykinslets try "GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT=2"16:15
daftykinsugh nope zero change16:15
daftykinsonly thing i've done that's likely non-standard is picking EXT2 for /boot this time16:16
daftykinsthis is my HTPC i'm reinstalling16:16
SuperEngineerdaftykins: disclaimer - I am no way an expert on any of this - but is it worth reinstalling GRUN from a live CD or similar?16:17
daftykinsi'm not sure that that's what's really going on here16:18
penguin42daftykins: I'll admit to not remembering how all those menus/timeouts workout16:18
daftykinsthis is terrible, all results online show lots of irritated users and yet no answers16:22
penguin42daftykins: You are using    update-grub every time you edit it - right?16:30
daftykinsyes sir16:30
penguin42daftykins: OK, in that case I'd try commenting out both of the GRUB_HIDDEN lines16:31
daftykinsi tried a few things, but i've just gotten frustrated so i'm clean installing :D i'd only just installed anyway16:31
daftykinsi feel very disappointed for giving up, but it's not a task worthy of my time16:33
SuperEngineerhttps://weev.livejournal.com/409835.html ... wow!16:33
daftykinsok this is seriously annoying, clean install and it does it out of the bo17:07
daftykinsx17:07
penguin42yeh, clean install is rarely the answer17:25
daftykinswell i think it's because i enabled updates the second time around17:25
daftykinsi think whatever quirk is coming in, is down to that17:25
penguin42daftykins: How many OSs have you got installed?17:27
daftykinsjust the one17:27
penguin42daftykins: Does sudo os-prober say anything?17:27
daftykinsi shall let you know once i get to booted in again :)17:28
daftykinsi decided to get serious on it17:31
daftykinspenguin42: i should probably own up to it actually being 'xbmcbuntu' and not vanilla ubuntu17:33
penguin42daftykins: I don't think that'll make much odds17:35
penguin42daftykins: Do you have an IR remote keyboard like thing plugged in?17:35
daftykinsi had hoped not, only when i looked in /boot i saw a very odd initrd image name17:35
penguin42odd how?17:35
daftykinsit was called 3.14 - amd fixes5 or similar17:35
daftykinsand yet uname -a reported the true trusty latest, of 3.13...-3617:36
daftykins*-r17:36
daftykinsmy HTPC has a built-in IR receiver, but i'm setting it up with a wireless keyboard and mouse via a USB receiver right now17:36
daftykinsstrangely when i come to the end of setup, it asks to reboot... but it fails to17:36
penguin42daftykins: there are lots of won't reboot screwups; probably separate17:37
daftykinsi lose a picture on my TV (as the system is HDMI'd into my AV receiver and onto the TV after that)17:37
penguin42daftykins: ok, so does os-prober say anything?17:37
daftykinsstill installing i'm afraid17:37
daftykinsnot long now17:37
daftykinseven with an SSD, this intel atom + nvidia ion1 combo isn't too spritely :)17:37
penguin42yeh, I think I now have a phone that beats most of my machines, odd17:38
daftykins:D17:40
penguin42(I won it; it's way higher spec than I'd buy)17:41
daftykinsooh which one?17:42
penguin42Oppo Find 717:42
daftykinsi got a phone call today to say i'd won a raffle prize17:42
penguin42my old one was an Orange San Francisco (aka ZTE blade)17:43
daftykinsoh speaking of which, i have a OnePlus invite if anyone wants one17:43
penguin42invite?17:43
daftykinsyeah you can only buy them if you get an invite to do so17:43
penguin42they were one of the sponsers at the XDA:Devcon me and Popey have been at17:44
daftykinsah-ha :)17:44
daftykinsi'm now at the 'restart' button - but it will blank my TV and not go down for reboot if i select it17:44
daftykinsworth trying to switch to a TTY and unmounting the disk if it hasn't already been?17:45
penguin42well, the question is why it doesn't go down - it could just be the bios being a bit funny after it's already rebooted17:45
diddledandaftykins: it will be waiting for you to press the enter key to confirm you've removed the dvd17:45
daftykinsdiddledan: odd that it disables the image though17:45
daftykinsodd i didn't remember that though - let's try it17:46
daftykinsstill got the USB flash drive i installed from, plugged in - hitting restart now17:46
daftykinsok definitely no response having told it to shutdown17:51
daftykinsi had to hold down the power button all the other times17:51
daftykinsok i've got the issue immediately, so it wasn't anything to do with updating17:56
daftykinsi'm going to dist-upgrade anyway17:56
daftykinspenguin42: zero output from "sudo os-prober"17:57
penguin42damn, there goes my idea about why it would pause17:59
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/485bxuhozqupa6y/IMG_20140928_190128.jpg?dl=018:03
daftykinsi see this lovely stuff during a dist-upgrade18:03
penguin42yeh well that's the weird variant you're running - I wonder if you're missing part of that 3.14.2-amdfixes5+ package18:08
penguin42daftykins: Your /boot isn't full is it?18:09
daftykinsi made it 200MB and due to being a clean install it's empty18:09
penguin42those are odd18:09
penguin42(disappears for food)18:09
daftykinslol18:19
daftykinshey guys prepare yourself for today's weirdest setup18:20
daftykinshttp://paste.ubuntu.com/8449611/ there's my /18:20
daftykinshttp://paste.ubuntu.com/8449618/ there's my /boot18:20
ali1234so you have no kernels and only one initrd?18:21
daftykinsonly that initrd is not from any package18:21
daftykinsi've just moved it to another path and rebooted18:21
daftykinsi still hang up on the GRUB menu and somehow pressing enter still boots18:21
daftykinswhere is my kernel coming from XD18:22
ali1234i bet you've not mounted the partitions correctly somewhere18:22
ali1234is boot mounted?18:22
daftykinslol one of the XBMC devs just asked me to unmount /boot , as call me crazy but i create a separate /boot for no good reason18:24
ali1234yep18:24
daftykinsafter unmount, ls /boot shows all my kernels :)18:24
ali1234that amdfixes5 kernel is something from a XBMC howto18:24
ali1234i was just about to ask if you followed it18:24
directhextomorrow i think i shall tell Orange to go jump in a lake.18:25
daftykinsali1234: it's one of the dev's testing files, he wondered himself how it crept in18:26
daftykinsok, i'm an idiot - every time i was running "sudo update-grub" it never listed the kernels because i had the overmounted /boot18:26
daftykinslack of familiarity to that command's output led me to think everything was fine18:26
ali1234i haven't been watching the channel18:27
ali1234but yeah18:27
ali1234that makes perfect sense18:27
ali1234is this still about grub waiting?18:27
ali1234i actually made this mistake on a machine the other day. chrooted in to rescue, forgot to mount /boot, and ran update-grub18:28
daftykinsthat was the overall issue yep18:28
ali1234so you were looking at the wrong grub config too?18:28
daftykinswell i was editing /etc/default/grub18:29
daftykinsand i kept thinking none of my changes were ever working :D18:29
penguin42daftykins: Ah that makes sense18:29
daftykinsso apparently i'm not an idiot for having a separate /boot partition, but somehow the install process hasn't integrated them properly18:30
daftykinsnow that i uncommented my /boot from /etc/fstab and ran update-grub, everything's fine18:32
penguin42daftykins: 58th rule of programming; make sure you're changing the file you think you're changing18:36
daftykinsi don't think that one applies, since i was editing /etc/default/grub - i just am not experienced enough to notice that update-grub wasn't finding kernels18:37
daftykinsi did 'WTF' when i did "ls /boot" and saw none, but i couldn't understand how the system possibly booted without one18:37
daftykinsi don't know if i care enough about 200MB to reinstall again now XD18:38
* penguin42 wouldn't18:39
bigcalmHas anybody had an issue with in stalling skype on 64bit 14.04?19:06
bigcalmThe following packages have unmet dependencies:19:06
bigcalmskype: Depends: skype-bin but it is a virtual package19:06
bigcalmThe following packages have unmet dependencies:19:06
bigcalmskype-bin:i386: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1) but 1:4.9.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed19:06
bigcalm                Depends: libqt4-dbus (>= 4:4.5.3) but 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu4 is to be installed19:06
bigcalm                Depends: libqt4-network (>= 4:4.8.0) but 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu4 is to be installed19:06
bigcalm                Depends: libqt4-xml (>= 4:4.5.3) but 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu4 is to be installed19:06
bigcalm                Depends: libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.7.0~beta1) but 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu4 is to be installed19:06
bigcalm                Depends: libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.8.0) but 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu4 is to be installed19:06
bigcalmOops19:06
Azelphurbigcalm: iirc you have to uninstall the skype package19:06
AzelphurI've seen that issue before19:06
bigcalmPackage 'skype' is not installed, so not removed19:07
penguin42I don't understand those errors; it says it wants something bigger than 4.8.0 and it's going to get 4.8.519:07
Azelphurtry skype-bin then19:07
penguin42oh, I wonder19:07
bigcalmPackage 'skype-bin:i386' is not installed, so not removed19:07
penguin42bigcalm: Make sure you have the :i386 versions of htose dependencies installed19:07
Azelphurnot sure then19:07
bigcalm$ sudo dpkg --add-architecture i38619:08
bigcalmWith that?19:08
bigcalmDoing so gives no feedback and the errors above are still present19:09
penguin42bigcalm: Try apt-get install libqtgui4:i38619:09
bigcalmhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/8449945/19:09
bigcalmArgh. All of my searches return similar results saying the same things19:14
bigcalmYet those actions still result in i386 packages not being installed19:14
directhexbigcalm, dpkg --list-architectures19:14
directhexsorry, make that dpkg --print-foreign-architectures19:16
bigcalmi38619:16
directhexapt-get update19:16
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bigcalmhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/8449996/19:17
directhexapt-cache policy libqtgui419:18
bigcalmhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/8450006/19:19
directhexapt-get install libqtgui4:i38619:20
bigcalmapt-get install libqtgui4:i38619:20
bigcalmOops19:20
bigcalmhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/8450013/19:20
directhexapt-get install libc6:i386 ?19:21
bigcalmhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/8450030/19:22
ali1234have you got weird ppas?19:22
bigcalmali1234: fresh install of 14.04.119:22
ali1234how strange. i have skype installed and it works fine19:22
directhexapt-get install libc6:i386 libgcc1:i386 ?19:22
bigcalmI had skype installed prior to doing a fresh install as well :)19:22
directhexsomething is amiss here, trying to track down what19:23
bigcalmhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/8450033/19:23
directhexyeah, something's boned in apt relating to java, which is blocking everything else19:23
directhexdo you want java?19:24
bigcalmdirecthex: yes, I need it for minecraft. Oh and my work for the IDE19:24
bigcalmI could try removing openjdk-7-jre19:27
bigcalmAnd then see what it installs19:27
directhexsupposedly it's not installed.19:28
directhexapt-cache status openjdk-7-jre-headless19:28
bigcalmhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/8450073/19:29
bigcalmErm, one mo19:29
bigcalmE: Invalid operation status19:29
bigcalmThe previous paste url is from sudo apt-get remove openjdk-7-jre19:30
bigcalmShall I remove java?19:37
directhexsorry, apt-cache status says "invalid operation status"? ._.19:37
bigcalmiain@snafu2:~$ apt-cache status openjdk-7-jre-headless19:37
bigcalmE: Invalid operation status19:37
directhexgah19:38
directhexpolicy19:38
directhexi need a nap19:38
bigcalmhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/8450152/19:38
directhexhm. non-ubuntu java.19:39
bigcalmOdd19:39
bigcalmI installed via software centre19:39
directhexwell, look at the policy table. it's not from the ubuntu repo19:40
bigcalmLooks like it is to me, but I might not understand it :)19:40
bigcalmIt's coming from a mirror19:41
directhexnope.   Version table:19:41
directhex *** 7u65-2.5.2-3~14.04 019:41
directhex        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status19:41
bigcalmOkay, I didn't understand it then :)19:42
directhexthat means the only place it knows that package version from is /var/lib/dpkg/status, i.e. your local machine19:42
bigcalmI see19:42
directhex 7u55-2.4.7-1ubuntu1 019:42
directhex        500 http://mirrors.manchester.m247.com/ubuntu/ trusty-updates/main amd64 Packages19:42
directhex        500 http://mirrors.manchester.m247.com/ubuntu/ trusty-security/main amd64 Packages19:42
directhex     7u51-2.4.6-1ubuntu4 019:42
directhex        500 http://mirrors.manchester.m247.com/ubuntu/ trusty/main amd64 Packages19:42
directhexthose are from mirrors19:42
directhexthe problem is going to be that one of the packages you need for skype has been updated to a non-repo version - and you cannot have mismatched i386 and amd64 versions of packages19:44
bigcalmPoo19:44
bigcalmI've just removed java. No improvement on skype after a apt-get update19:45
directhexso it wants libfoo, latest libfoo:i386 in repos is 1.0.0, you have libfoo:amd64 1.0.1+ppa1, mismatch19:45
* bigcalm wants a "fix me" button in Ubuntu19:45
MartijnVdSbigcalm: which plays Coldplay's "Fix You"?19:45
* bigcalm shudders19:46
foobarryguys. my wireless router has channel set to auto, but the android wifi app shows channel 1 very busy, and nothing on 11..19:48
MartijnVdSthen the "auto" mode may be broken, OR there's otehr interference on 1119:48
MartijnVdSlike old, badly shielded microwaves, or dect phones, or stuff like that19:49
foobarryi wonder how auto mode works19:49
foobarryif at all19:49
MartijnVdSfoobarry: on most routers, it scans the spectrum once and then selects a relatively free channel19:50
zmoylan-piuse random, call it auto in marketing :-)19:50
MartijnVdSor that19:50
foobarryhmm19:50
bigcalmsudo apt-get install libc6:i386 libgcc1:i386 now gives http://paste.ubuntu.com/8450231/19:50
foobarryalso, are modern phone using n wireless now?19:50
MartijnVdSyup19:50
MartijnVdSsome even AC if available19:50
foobarrychromecast too?19:50
MartijnVdSchromecast does N but not AC (ac is always 5GHz, chromecast only has a 2.4GHz radio)19:51
directhexbigcalm, that seems rather bad19:51
foobarryi might test this channel change out next weekened, rather than sunday night ..19:51
MartijnVdSfoobarry: channel changes are relatively painless though19:52
MartijnVdSdon't need a whole weekend :)19:52
MartijnVdSdevices just reconnect19:52
bigcalmdirecthex: just a tad19:52
bigcalmWell that's interesting. I've just changed the source to the main UK mirror and got this from sudo apt-get install skype: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8450260/19:53
MartijnVdSyeah skype pulls in half of i386 userland19:54
MartijnVdSbecause it's .. yeah.. 32 bits19:54
bigcalmMartijnVdS: I expected that. What I didn't expect was it to work when a mirror wasn't working19:54
bigcalmHow does one report a dodgy mirror?19:54
* bigcalm pokes davmor2_ 19:55
diddledanbigcalm: you could either jump into #ubuntu-mirrors and wait forever or try emailing the mirrors mailing list19:55
bigcalmdiddledan: ta19:56
diddledanbigcalm: ubuntu-mirrors@lists.ubuntu.com19:56
directhexbigcalm, that looks healthier19:57
directhexbigcalm, i suggest an update/upgrade too, if you were using a junk mirror19:57
foobarryi found a flea on me. tiny one. wonder if it travlled from my mums house19:57
bigcalmdirecthex: indeed and done. Bash just got upgraded :D19:57
diddledanI wonder why it wants mysql-common19:57
directhexdiddledan, a dep of a qt lib, i guess19:58
directhexmaybe nepomuk19:58
diddledanaah19:58
diddledanlibqt4-sql19:58
MartijnVdS"nepomuk"? and they say gnome programs have weird names (evince? palimpsest?)19:58
diddledanand libqt4-sql-mysql19:58
bigcalmdirecthex: thanks for having a look at this with me20:01
bigcalmNFS vs SSHFS - go!20:16
AzelphurNFS fast, SSHFS slow20:17
Azelphura handy guide20:17
zmoylan-pifat32 for preference for external drives :-)20:17
bigcalmIn a nut shell :)20:17
AzelphurNFS annoying as shit to configure, SSHFS built into the file browser.20:17
Azelphuranother handy guide :)20:17
bigcalm!ohmy20:17
bigcalmWe've lost the bot20:18
Azelphur:<20:18
zmoylan-piit quit in disgust? ;-)20:18
bigcalm* lubotu3 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)20:18
bigcalmJust noticed the few connections going away20:18
bigcalm16 hours until I'm a home owner and collect keys20:19
bigcalmStarting to actually feel excited20:19
bigcalm+28 years for real ownership20:19
zmoylan-pifor next 28 years you're a financial institutions serf :-)20:20
bigcalmHas anybody got dropbox talking to two accounts at the same time in linux?20:26
* zmoylan-pi hasn't got dropbox working in rasp-pi as it seems a pita21:03
bigcalmTime to catch up on UUPC21:16
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