[04:28] <bhrz> I am an Ubuntu newbie and I need one little help
[08:45] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:52]  * p42phone is watching popey tell the history of Ubuntu phone
[09:54] <SuperEngineer> p42phone: quick.. give him a call on stage ;0
[09:54] <SuperEngineer> ..find out what ring tone he uses :D
[09:56] <brobostigon> lol
[11:55] <popey> SuperEngineer: i muted my phone ☻
[11:56] <SuperEngineer> popey.. spoil sport :)
[11:57] <popey> although that would have been interesting as I'm one of only 3 people here with that ringtone
[11:58] <SuperEngineer> hope the talk went ok, even without unwanted phone ringing
[11:58] <popey> yeah, it seemed to
[11:58] <popey> wasnt video'ed
[11:58] <popey> I'll do the same talk at oggcamp next week
[11:58] <popey> which might be
[11:58] <SuperEngineer> nice one
[11:58] <popey> will have to trim it down to 30 mins
[12:03]  * SuperEngineer edits popey's speech for him: "hi, I'm popey - we're building a phone [followed by 25 mins of ringtone], thank you all for listening"
[12:04] <czajkowski> popey: clicker worked :)
[12:12] <SuperEngineer> Talking of batteries, anybody know the best place to get a replacement battery for an old Acer netbookthese days [one that doesn't explode on first charge preferably] -a.k.a. reliablly sourced
[12:18] <p42phone> Other than acervi double there's a reputable answer; order a sand bucket at the same time?
[12:19] <p42phone> Gah damn autocorrect
[12:19] <SuperEngineer> p42phone definite lol
[13:22] <SuperEngineer> I have just earned a first [for]: "Ban notification from a Steam Community Moderator	 — Just now
[13:22] <SuperEngineer> You have been banned from Steam Discussions
[13:22] <SuperEngineer> You have been banned from Steam Discussions by a Steam Community Moderator for your post in "New Steam Discovery Queue is broken!""
[13:23] <SuperEngineer> ...I'm proud of that :)
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> what did you say?
[13:31] <SuperEngineer> someone replied to a comment of mine with "spam for badge", so I replied "ham for badge"
[13:31] <SuperEngineer> controversial huh
[14:55] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[14:55] <bigcalm> My desktop has locked up again, but I can ssh into it. Running htop, I can see the 8th CPU is at 100% usage constantly. But I'm not sure how to find out what's using it
[14:56] <bigcalm> I've issued a service lightdm restart and it restart it, from the CLI. But the desktop still shows what was there previously
[15:10] <daftykins> as in a static locked image of the programs you had open prior?
[15:11] <daftykins> what're the system logs saying?
[15:16] <bigcalm> daftykins: correct. I pasted the syslog to twitter. Looks to be an issue with nvidia. Either HW or SW. I've installed the latest 64 bit driver direct from nvidia. We'll see in time if it fixes things
[15:17] <daftykins> hmm fault diagnosis on a text length limited service... that's a skill
[15:17] <bigcalm> ;)
[15:18] <bigcalm> https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/516238055079165952
[15:19] <daftykins> i do like that wording
[15:19] <daftykins> "GPU has fallen off the bus"
[15:19] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:45] <ali1234> i had a GPU lock up like that the other day
[15:45] <ali1234> it happens with the nvidia driver from time to time
[15:53] <daftykins> any thoughts on where i should look for a 14.04 system booting to the GRUB menu and not auto advancing?
[15:55]  * daftykins looks at /etc/default/grub
[15:57] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8448672/
[15:57] <daftykins> i don't get what value there might stop auto boot
[16:08] <penguin42> I get the feeling grub stops if it gets upset on previous boots sometimes
[16:11] <daftykins> yeah, recordfail, that's not happening here though
[16:11] <daftykins> e.g. if i boot in then immediately reboot, it's still hanging at the menu
[16:11] <daftykins> it's not counting down a timeout value, it's just sitting there permanently
[16:11] <daftykins> this is highly irritating
[16:12] <ali1234> maybe your shift key is stuck down
[16:13] <daftykins> lol, nah
[16:15] <daftykins> lets try "GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT=2"
[16:15] <daftykins> ugh nope zero change
[16:16] <daftykins> only thing i've done that's likely non-standard is picking EXT2 for /boot this time
[16:16] <daftykins> this is my HTPC i'm reinstalling
[16:17] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: disclaimer - I am no way an expert on any of this - but is it worth reinstalling GRUN from a live CD or similar?
[16:18] <daftykins> i'm not sure that that's what's really going on here
[16:18] <penguin42> daftykins: I'll admit to not remembering how all those menus/timeouts workout
[16:22] <daftykins> this is terrible, all results online show lots of irritated users and yet no answers
[16:30] <penguin42> daftykins: You are using    update-grub every time you edit it - right?
[16:30] <daftykins> yes sir
[16:31] <penguin42> daftykins: OK, in that case I'd try commenting out both of the GRUB_HIDDEN lines
[16:31] <daftykins> i tried a few things, but i've just gotten frustrated so i'm clean installing :D i'd only just installed anyway
[16:33] <daftykins> i feel very disappointed for giving up, but it's not a task worthy of my time
[16:33] <SuperEngineer> https://weev.livejournal.com/409835.html ... wow!
[17:07] <daftykins> ok this is seriously annoying, clean install and it does it out of the bo
[17:07] <daftykins> x
[17:25] <penguin42> yeh, clean install is rarely the answer
[17:25] <daftykins> well i think it's because i enabled updates the second time around
[17:25] <daftykins> i think whatever quirk is coming in, is down to that
[17:27] <penguin42> daftykins: How many OSs have you got installed?
[17:27] <daftykins> just the one
[17:27] <penguin42> daftykins: Does sudo os-prober say anything?
[17:28] <daftykins> i shall let you know once i get to booted in again :)
[17:31] <daftykins> i decided to get serious on it
[17:33] <daftykins> penguin42: i should probably own up to it actually being 'xbmcbuntu' and not vanilla ubuntu
[17:35] <penguin42> daftykins: I don't think that'll make much odds
[17:35] <penguin42> daftykins: Do you have an IR remote keyboard like thing plugged in?
[17:35] <daftykins> i had hoped not, only when i looked in /boot i saw a very odd initrd image name
[17:35] <penguin42> odd how?
[17:35] <daftykins> it was called 3.14 - amd fixes5 or similar
[17:36] <daftykins> and yet uname -a reported the true trusty latest, of 3.13...-36
[17:36] <daftykins> *-r
[17:36] <daftykins> my HTPC has a built-in IR receiver, but i'm setting it up with a wireless keyboard and mouse via a USB receiver right now
[17:36] <daftykins> strangely when i come to the end of setup, it asks to reboot... but it fails to
[17:37] <penguin42> daftykins: there are lots of won't reboot screwups; probably separate
[17:37] <daftykins> i lose a picture on my TV (as the system is HDMI'd into my AV receiver and onto the TV after that)
[17:37] <penguin42> daftykins: ok, so does os-prober say anything?
[17:37] <daftykins> still installing i'm afraid
[17:37] <daftykins> not long now
[17:37] <daftykins> even with an SSD, this intel atom + nvidia ion1 combo isn't too spritely :)
[17:38] <penguin42> yeh, I think I now have a phone that beats most of my machines, odd
[17:40] <daftykins> :D
[17:41] <penguin42> (I won it; it's way higher spec than I'd buy)
[17:42] <daftykins> ooh which one?
[17:42] <penguin42> Oppo Find 7
[17:42] <daftykins> i got a phone call today to say i'd won a raffle prize
[17:43] <penguin42> my old one was an Orange San Francisco (aka ZTE blade)
[17:43] <daftykins> oh speaking of which, i have a OnePlus invite if anyone wants one
[17:43] <penguin42> invite?
[17:43] <daftykins> yeah you can only buy them if you get an invite to do so
[17:44] <penguin42> they were one of the sponsers at the XDA:Devcon me and Popey have been at
[17:44] <daftykins> ah-ha :)
[17:44] <daftykins> i'm now at the 'restart' button - but it will blank my TV and not go down for reboot if i select it
[17:45] <daftykins> worth trying to switch to a TTY and unmounting the disk if it hasn't already been?
[17:45] <penguin42> well, the question is why it doesn't go down - it could just be the bios being a bit funny after it's already rebooted
[17:45] <diddledan> daftykins: it will be waiting for you to press the enter key to confirm you've removed the dvd
[17:45] <daftykins> diddledan: odd that it disables the image though
[17:46] <daftykins> odd i didn't remember that though - let's try it
[17:46] <daftykins> still got the USB flash drive i installed from, plugged in - hitting restart now
[17:51] <daftykins> ok definitely no response having told it to shutdown
[17:51] <daftykins> i had to hold down the power button all the other times
[17:56] <daftykins> ok i've got the issue immediately, so it wasn't anything to do with updating
[17:56] <daftykins> i'm going to dist-upgrade anyway
[17:57] <daftykins> penguin42: zero output from "sudo os-prober"
[17:59] <penguin42> damn, there goes my idea about why it would pause
[18:03] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/485bxuhozqupa6y/IMG_20140928_190128.jpg?dl=0
[18:03] <daftykins> i see this lovely stuff during a dist-upgrade
[18:08] <penguin42> yeh well that's the weird variant you're running - I wonder if you're missing part of that 3.14.2-amdfixes5+ package
[18:09] <penguin42> daftykins: Your /boot isn't full is it?
[18:09] <daftykins> i made it 200MB and due to being a clean install it's empty
[18:09] <penguin42> those are odd
[18:09] <penguin42> (disappears for food)
[18:19] <daftykins> lol
[18:20] <daftykins> hey guys prepare yourself for today's weirdest setup
[18:20] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8449611/ there's my /
[18:20] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8449618/ there's my /boot
[18:21] <ali1234> so you have no kernels and only one initrd?
[18:21] <daftykins> only that initrd is not from any package
[18:21] <daftykins> i've just moved it to another path and rebooted
[18:21] <daftykins> i still hang up on the GRUB menu and somehow pressing enter still boots
[18:22] <daftykins> where is my kernel coming from XD
[18:22] <ali1234> i bet you've not mounted the partitions correctly somewhere
[18:22] <ali1234> is boot mounted?
[18:24] <daftykins> lol one of the XBMC devs just asked me to unmount /boot , as call me crazy but i create a separate /boot for no good reason
[18:24] <ali1234> yep
[18:24] <daftykins> after unmount, ls /boot shows all my kernels :)
[18:24] <ali1234> that amdfixes5 kernel is something from a XBMC howto
[18:24] <ali1234> i was just about to ask if you followed it
[18:25] <directhex> tomorrow i think i shall tell Orange to go jump in a lake.
[18:26] <daftykins> ali1234: it's one of the dev's testing files, he wondered himself how it crept in
[18:26] <daftykins> ok, i'm an idiot - every time i was running "sudo update-grub" it never listed the kernels because i had the overmounted /boot
[18:26] <daftykins> lack of familiarity to that command's output led me to think everything was fine
[18:27] <ali1234> i haven't been watching the channel
[18:27] <ali1234> but yeah
[18:27] <ali1234> that makes perfect sense
[18:27] <ali1234> is this still about grub waiting?
[18:28] <ali1234> i actually made this mistake on a machine the other day. chrooted in to rescue, forgot to mount /boot, and ran update-grub
[18:28] <daftykins> that was the overall issue yep
[18:28] <ali1234> so you were looking at the wrong grub config too?
[18:29] <daftykins> well i was editing /etc/default/grub
[18:29] <daftykins> and i kept thinking none of my changes were ever working :D
[18:29] <penguin42> daftykins: Ah that makes sense
[18:30] <daftykins> so apparently i'm not an idiot for having a separate /boot partition, but somehow the install process hasn't integrated them properly
[18:32] <daftykins> now that i uncommented my /boot from /etc/fstab and ran update-grub, everything's fine
[18:36] <penguin42> daftykins: 58th rule of programming; make sure you're changing the file you think you're changing
[18:37] <daftykins> i don't think that one applies, since i was editing /etc/default/grub - i just am not experienced enough to notice that update-grub wasn't finding kernels
[18:37] <daftykins> i did 'WTF' when i did "ls /boot" and saw none, but i couldn't understand how the system possibly booted without one
[18:38] <daftykins> i don't know if i care enough about 200MB to reinstall again now XD
[18:39]  * penguin42 wouldn't
[19:06] <bigcalm> Has anybody had an issue with in stalling skype on 64bit 14.04?
[19:06] <bigcalm> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:06] <bigcalm> skype: Depends: skype-bin but it is a virtual package
[19:06] <bigcalm> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:06] <bigcalm> skype-bin:i386: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1) but 1:4.9.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[19:06] <bigcalm>                 Depends: libqt4-dbus (>= 4:4.5.3) but 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu4 is to be installed
[19:06] <bigcalm>                 Depends: libqt4-network (>= 4:4.8.0) but 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu4 is to be installed
[19:06] <bigcalm>                 Depends: libqt4-xml (>= 4:4.5.3) but 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu4 is to be installed
[19:06] <bigcalm>                 Depends: libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.7.0~beta1) but 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu4 is to be installed
[19:06] <bigcalm>                 Depends: libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.8.0) but 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu4 is to be installed
[19:06] <bigcalm> Oops
[19:06] <Azelphur> bigcalm: iirc you have to uninstall the skype package
[19:06] <Azelphur> I've seen that issue before
[19:07] <bigcalm> Package 'skype' is not installed, so not removed
[19:07] <penguin42> I don't understand those errors; it says it wants something bigger than 4.8.0 and it's going to get 4.8.5
[19:07] <Azelphur> try skype-bin then
[19:07] <penguin42> oh, I wonder
[19:07] <bigcalm> Package 'skype-bin:i386' is not installed, so not removed
[19:07] <penguin42> bigcalm: Make sure you have the :i386 versions of htose dependencies installed
[19:07] <Azelphur> not sure then
[19:08] <bigcalm> $ sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
[19:08] <bigcalm> With that?
[19:09] <bigcalm> Doing so gives no feedback and the errors above are still present
[19:09] <penguin42> bigcalm: Try apt-get install libqtgui4:i386
[19:09] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8449945/
[19:14] <bigcalm> Argh. All of my searches return similar results saying the same things
[19:14] <bigcalm> Yet those actions still result in i386 packages not being installed
[19:14] <directhex> bigcalm, dpkg --list-architectures
[19:16] <directhex> sorry, make that dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
[19:16] <bigcalm> i386
[19:16] <directhex> apt-get update
[19:17] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8449996/
[19:18] <directhex> apt-cache policy libqtgui4
[19:19] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8450006/
[19:20] <directhex> apt-get install libqtgui4:i386
[19:20] <bigcalm> apt-get install libqtgui4:i386
[19:20] <bigcalm> Oops
[19:20] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8450013/
[19:21] <directhex> apt-get install libc6:i386 ?
[19:22] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8450030/
[19:22] <ali1234> have you got weird ppas?
[19:22] <bigcalm> ali1234: fresh install of 14.04.1
[19:22] <ali1234> how strange. i have skype installed and it works fine
[19:22] <directhex> apt-get install libc6:i386 libgcc1:i386 ?
[19:22] <bigcalm> I had skype installed prior to doing a fresh install as well :)
[19:23] <directhex> something is amiss here, trying to track down what
[19:23] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8450033/
[19:23] <directhex> yeah, something's boned in apt relating to java, which is blocking everything else
[19:24] <directhex> do you want java?
[19:24] <bigcalm> directhex: yes, I need it for minecraft. Oh and my work for the IDE
[19:27] <bigcalm> I could try removing openjdk-7-jre
[19:27] <bigcalm> And then see what it installs
[19:28] <directhex> supposedly it's not installed.
[19:28] <directhex> apt-cache status openjdk-7-jre-headless
[19:29] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8450073/
[19:29] <bigcalm> Erm, one mo
[19:29] <bigcalm> E: Invalid operation status
[19:30] <bigcalm> The previous paste url is from sudo apt-get remove openjdk-7-jre
[19:37] <bigcalm> Shall I remove java?
[19:37] <directhex> sorry, apt-cache status says "invalid operation status"? ._.
[19:37] <bigcalm> iain@snafu2:~$ apt-cache status openjdk-7-jre-headless
[19:37] <bigcalm> E: Invalid operation status
[19:38] <directhex> gah
[19:38] <directhex> policy
[19:38] <directhex> i need a nap
[19:38] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8450152/
[19:39] <directhex> hm. non-ubuntu java.
[19:39] <bigcalm> Odd
[19:39] <bigcalm> I installed via software centre
[19:40] <directhex> well, look at the policy table. it's not from the ubuntu repo
[19:40] <bigcalm> Looks like it is to me, but I might not understand it :)
[19:41] <bigcalm> It's coming from a mirror
[19:41] <directhex> nope.   Version table:
[19:41] <directhex>  *** 7u65-2.5.2-3~14.04 0
[19:41] <directhex>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[19:42] <bigcalm> Okay, I didn't understand it then :)
[19:42] <directhex> that means the only place it knows that package version from is /var/lib/dpkg/status, i.e. your local machine
[19:42] <bigcalm> I see
[19:42] <directhex>  7u55-2.4.7-1ubuntu1 0
[19:42] <directhex>         500 http://mirrors.manchester.m247.com/ubuntu/ trusty-updates/main amd64 Packages
[19:42] <directhex>         500 http://mirrors.manchester.m247.com/ubuntu/ trusty-security/main amd64 Packages
[19:42] <directhex>      7u51-2.4.6-1ubuntu4 0
[19:42] <directhex>         500 http://mirrors.manchester.m247.com/ubuntu/ trusty/main amd64 Packages
[19:42] <directhex> those are from mirrors
[19:44] <directhex> the problem is going to be that one of the packages you need for skype has been updated to a non-repo version - and you cannot have mismatched i386 and amd64 versions of packages
[19:44] <bigcalm> Poo
[19:45] <bigcalm> I've just removed java. No improvement on skype after a apt-get update
[19:45] <directhex> so it wants libfoo, latest libfoo:i386 in repos is 1.0.0, you have libfoo:amd64 1.0.1+ppa1, mismatch
[19:45]  * bigcalm wants a "fix me" button in Ubuntu
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: which plays Coldplay's "Fix You"?
[19:46]  * bigcalm shudders
[19:48] <foobarry> guys. my wireless router has channel set to auto, but the android wifi app shows channel 1 very busy, and nothing on 11..
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> then the "auto" mode may be broken, OR there's otehr interference on 11
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> like old, badly shielded microwaves, or dect phones, or stuff like that
[19:49] <foobarry> i wonder how auto mode works
[19:49] <foobarry> if at all
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: on most routers, it scans the spectrum once and then selects a relatively free channel
[19:50] <zmoylan-pi> use random, call it auto in marketing :-)
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> or that
[19:50] <foobarry> hmm
[19:50] <bigcalm> sudo apt-get install libc6:i386 libgcc1:i386 now gives http://paste.ubuntu.com/8450231/
[19:50] <foobarry> also, are modern phone using n wireless now?
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> yup
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> some even AC if available
[19:50] <foobarry> chromecast too?
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> chromecast does N but not AC (ac is always 5GHz, chromecast only has a 2.4GHz radio)
[19:51] <directhex> bigcalm, that seems rather bad
[19:51] <foobarry> i might test this channel change out next weekened, rather than sunday night ..
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: channel changes are relatively painless though
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> don't need a whole weekend :)
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> devices just reconnect
[19:52] <bigcalm> directhex: just a tad
[19:53] <bigcalm> Well that's interesting. I've just changed the source to the main UK mirror and got this from sudo apt-get install skype: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8450260/
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> yeah skype pulls in half of i386 userland
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> because it's .. yeah.. 32 bits
[19:54] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I expected that. What I didn't expect was it to work when a mirror wasn't working
[19:54] <bigcalm> How does one report a dodgy mirror?
[19:55]  * bigcalm pokes davmor2_ 
[19:55] <diddledan> bigcalm: you could either jump into #ubuntu-mirrors and wait forever or try emailing the mirrors mailing list
[19:56] <bigcalm> diddledan: ta
[19:56] <diddledan> bigcalm: ubuntu-mirrors@lists.ubuntu.com
[19:57] <directhex> bigcalm, that looks healthier
[19:57] <directhex> bigcalm, i suggest an update/upgrade too, if you were using a junk mirror
[19:57] <foobarry> i found a flea on me. tiny one. wonder if it travlled from my mums house
[19:57] <bigcalm> directhex: indeed and done. Bash just got upgraded :D
[19:57] <diddledan> I wonder why it wants mysql-common
[19:58] <directhex> diddledan, a dep of a qt lib, i guess
[19:58] <directhex> maybe nepomuk
[19:58] <diddledan> aah
[19:58] <diddledan> libqt4-sql
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> "nepomuk"? and they say gnome programs have weird names (evince? palimpsest?)
[19:58] <diddledan> and libqt4-sql-mysql
[20:01] <bigcalm> directhex: thanks for having a look at this with me
[20:16] <bigcalm> NFS vs SSHFS - go!
[20:17] <Azelphur> NFS fast, SSHFS slow
[20:17] <Azelphur> a handy guide
[20:17] <zmoylan-pi> fat32 for preference for external drives :-)
[20:17] <bigcalm> In a nut shell :)
[20:17] <Azelphur> NFS annoying as shit to configure, SSHFS built into the file browser.
[20:17] <Azelphur> another handy guide :)
[20:17] <bigcalm> !ohmy
[20:18] <bigcalm> We've lost the bot
[20:18] <Azelphur> :<
[20:18] <zmoylan-pi> it quit in disgust? ;-)
[20:18] <bigcalm> * lubotu3 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[20:18] <bigcalm> Just noticed the few connections going away
[20:19] <bigcalm> 16 hours until I'm a home owner and collect keys
[20:19] <bigcalm> Starting to actually feel excited
[20:19] <bigcalm> +28 years for real ownership
[20:20] <zmoylan-pi> for next 28 years you're a financial institutions serf :-)
[20:26] <bigcalm> Has anybody got dropbox talking to two accounts at the same time in linux?
[21:03]  * zmoylan-pi hasn't got dropbox working in rasp-pi as it seems a pita
[21:16] <bigcalm> Time to catch up on UUPC