[00:52] <BuntuTech> hi
[00:55] <T1960CT> Hello, booting lubuntu always takes a while on my computer cause it seems to do the Grub timeout even though there is no Grub to show cause it's the only OS on the laptop, I've tried tinkering with the Grub file and it doesnt really change much. I hit the enter key in what I suspect is the Grub and it gave me a weird blinking line at the top left o
[00:55] <T1960CT> f my screen then Lubuntu booted with a baby blue background. Any ideas on how to remove the approximately 10 second wait time before it actually boots?
[01:01] <BuntuTech> hi T1960CT
[01:02] <T1960CT> Hello
[01:04] <T1960CT> BuntuTech: would you be able to help me?
[01:04] <BuntuTech> i see someone asking a similar question in a ubuntu forum page i do not know if this will help you or not but while you are waiting you might want to read this
[01:04] <BuntuTech> http://askubuntu.com/questions/148095/how-do-i-set-the-grub-timeout-and-the-grub-default-boot-entry
[01:05] <BuntuTech> before making changes you should wait for one of the better lubuntu support people - i am still learning
[01:06] <T1960CT> I'll give it a go anyway, I still have a bootable USB that I can use to repair anything that may get damaged :)
[01:07] <BuntuTech> are you all backed up?
[01:08] <T1960CT> No but it's a pretty new install and there isn't much on it that I care about yet, I have all that on my Desktop
[01:10] <BuntuTech> o
[01:10] <BuntuTech> im on lubuntu on a VM
[01:10] <BuntuTech> im really enjoying it
[01:11] <T1960CT> It doesnt even seem to have a Grub menu at all though, after commenting out the GRUB_HIDDEN lines and pressing the arrow keys in the "grub" it shows me weird escape characters lol what the heck is going on
[01:11] <ianorlin> are you sure that isn't your bios?
[01:11] <T1960CT> I dont know what it could be in my BIOS that would do that
[01:12] <T1960CT> Someone mentioned VT-d but my CPU doesnt support it
[01:12] <ianorlin> or it might be something that it hasn't finished loading
[01:12] <BuntuTech> was that machine ever set up as a dual boot?
[01:13] <T1960CT> Yeah but when I installed I told it to use the whole disk
[01:20] <T1960CT> BuntuTech: When I'm in my VM for it it doesnt do the 10 seconds
[01:20] <BuntuTech> well when u installed in the VM you probably did a normal install
[01:21] <T1960CT> Yep
[01:21] <BuntuTech> it sounds like you did somethin a bit different here
[01:21] <ianorlin> I think it starts a terminal and stuff when booting and doesn't have a GUI yet
[01:22] <ianorlin> it is just that it doesn't fly by you
[01:22] <T1960CT> I doubt it ianorlin cause after that the boot screen comes up and I can "esc" to see that it is just starting
[01:22] <T1960CT> It really feels like the Grub is there but not doing anything
[01:23] <ianorlin> yeah grub is sitll the bootloader and always there
[01:25] <T1960CT> I think I'll just wipe and reinstall but format the disk first just to see if it'll help
[01:26] <ianorlin> grub is always there
[01:27] <T1960CT> Yeah no I know that but I had other OSs on there first and didnt properly format when installing Lubuntu so I think the bootloader is confused
[01:27] <BuntuTech> thats what i was thinking u did
[01:28] <T1960CT> So how would I properly format it with Gparted in the LiveCD ?
[01:28] <T1960CT> Just delete all the partitions and format it?
[01:29] <T1960CT> See booting from the USB didnt do the 10seconds, it just went right in
[01:29] <BuntuTech> as long as you remove all partitions rebuild them and formnat u should be fine with any tool or from the lubuntu installer
[01:30] <T1960CT> Alright, nothing special then
[01:30] <BuntuTech> i recenty exeprimented with dban and it was great
[01:30] <BuntuTech> but i wont tell someone else to use it
[01:31] <T1960CT> Hehe I like DBAM but it has given me problems before
[01:31] <T1960CT> DBAN*
[01:31] <BuntuTech> ive heard it can
[01:31] <T1960CT> Nuke not Muke lol
[01:31] <BuntuTech> i had done a number of installs on this one HDD and i used to purposely download serious malware and kill it
[01:32] <BuntuTech> so i nuked it and reinstalled one day
[01:32] <T1960CT> Lol DBAN will seriously bomb everything, I bet there was no problems with any residue on your disk ;)
[01:33] <BuntuTech> no the install i did after went perfect but i must admit i was wondering if it would somehow harm the drive
[01:33] <T1960CT> Hahaha
[01:34] <BuntuTech> i just did the standard clean i think it was 7 passes or something
[01:34] <holstein> not want to do that these days.. malware can infect the bios
[01:34] <BuntuTech> yes  i know
[01:34] <T1960CT> Yep, or the first sector of your drive
[01:34] <holstein> T1960CT: have you ran smart tests on the drive? does a live CD boot and run as expected on the hardware?
[01:36] <T1960CT> Yep, everything runs smoothly when booting from USB and other distros work fine off HDD, I think the bootloader is just cluttered cause I had Deepin, Linux Mint 17 and Windows all in there at one point, then didnt format and installed Lubuntu on the whole drive
[01:36] <holstein> T1960CT: check the boot loader
[01:36] <holstein> or, just reinstall grub..
[01:36] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[01:36] <T1960CT> Yeah I'm looking into that now to see
[01:38] <T1960CT> I'm actually just reinstalling cause I've been tampering with a lot to see what it does, I should mount it to "/" right?
[01:38] <T1960CT> for the mount point in the installer
[01:39] <holstein> T1960CT: i would just do the defaults. i would wipe, and do a default installation
[01:40] <T1960CT> Yes but in the partition manager when creating a new partition the mount point would be "/" Right?
[01:40] <holstein> [B[B[B[Bt	dont
[01:40] <T1960CT> What?
[01:40] <holstein> T1960CT: just use the defaults.. let the installer do it all
[01:41] <T1960CT> I did that last time and it left clutter in the bootloader :P
[01:41] <holstein> T1960CT: i dont think so
[01:41] <holstein> T1960CT: if you wipe the drive, or tell the installer to use the entire drive, then you will have only the one OS for grub to find
[01:42] <T1960CT> It still showed the options for the other 3 OS's in there
[01:42] <T1960CT> Along with Lubuntu
[01:42] <holstein> T1960CT: i mean, manually partition if you want or need, but, if you can, remove yourself from the euqation as well
[01:42] <holstein> T1960CT: then, the disk wasnt clean, and you didnt tell the installer to use the entire disk.. or, you didnt install grub properly
[01:43] <T1960CT> It was just to format the drive, I deleted all the partitions and formated it, but it needed a primary partition so that is what I did this time
[01:43] <holstein> T1960CT: you shouldnt need to.. you should literally be ablt to start the installer, and let it install to the disk..
[01:43] <holstein> T1960CT: i suggest you try that, so that you are not doing any fancy partitioning that may be causing your issue
[01:44] <holstein> T1960CT: you, theoretically, should be able to insatll *buntu and not know anything about partitions or partitioning
[01:45] <T1960CT> I know, I've done it before, that is what I did last time and it left clutter, I dont know what else to tell you, that is what it did when I selected "Use whole disk"
[01:45] <T1960CT> It just left junk in there
[01:46] <holstein> T1960CT: i really dont think so.. *if* the drive was properly wiped, there would be no "clutter"
[01:46] <holstein> you could have had grub installed somewhere, and then tried to install somewhere else..
[01:46] <T1960CT> That is what I'm saying, I didnt wipe the disk before using the installer, I just left it as it was and during the installation I told it to use the whole disk
[01:46] <T1960CT> I didnt format before that
[01:47] <holstein> regardless, i would just wipe the drive. make sure its wiped.. test it while its wiped.. long tests that take over an hour.. make sure its good and wiped.. check it for grub.. then, fresh install and try and do that as default as possible
[01:47] <holstein> if you have issue with the lubuntu installer.. try..
[01:47] <holstein> !mini
[01:48] <T1960CT> If it causes me problems after this install I'll check it out
[01:48] <holstein> check what out?
[01:48] <T1960CT> Mini
[01:49] <holstein> or, just reinstall grub.. with the other link i gave..
[01:49] <T1960CT> Or that :3
[01:50] <holstein> i would do that before re-installation, if i knew that the drive had been setup properly
[01:51] <T1960CT> I like that Lubuntu comes with Abiword and not Open Office, I prefer Abiword :)
[01:51] <holstein> both are in the default ubuntu repositories.. you can add or remove either or both from any *buntu
[01:52] <holstein> libreoffice is the one you are probably referencing..
[01:52] <T1960CT> Yeah I know but out of the box is what I like, I have traded OO for Abi before on other distros but it's one less thing to do after installing :)
[01:52] <T1960CT> Oh yeah Libre office, I never use it anymore lol
[01:52] <T1960CT> not Open office
[01:53] <holstein> you probably want the mini, then.. then you can add what you want
[11:47] <BuntuTech> hello
[11:52] <BuntuTech> i need to talk to rafael
[11:56] <nmsm> hi everyone
[11:57] <nmsm> does anyone experience any troubles creating a bootable stick fo the daily image?
[11:57] <nmsm> already tried with dd and usb-creator-gtk
[13:41] <BuntuTech> i have failed at that myself but i probably did it wrong
[18:29] <Boscop> HELP, why do i get this error? "bash: cannot create temp file for here-document: No space left on device." I have lots of free space
[18:30] <holstein> Boscop: what are you trying to do?
[18:31] <Boscop> holstein, i'm pressing tab in the terminal to auto-complete
[18:32] <holstein> Boscop: i mean, "big-picture" what you are trying to do
[18:54] <ianorlin> boscop does df -h show the disk is full?
[18:55] <Boscop> holstein, ianorlin: http://pastebin.com/DKFmM6Nc
[18:56] <Boscop> but why? in system monitor it says there are still 489.1 MB free on /, but 0 available
[18:56] <Boscop> how can that be?
[18:57] <testdr> Boscop: this can be the minimum reserved for root/admin-usage on the root-filesystem.
[18:57] <ianorlin> system monitor might not be free but 489.1 MB isn't much free space
[18:57] <Boscop> it should be enough
[18:58] <ianorlin> yeah but it can fill up with kernel updates
[18:59] <testdr> 500MB ist like nothing - some new kernel and big-packets updates and some more logs and it is gone
[18:59] <Boscop> so what should i delete?
[19:00] <testdr> Boscop: if you know what you are doing, you can change the reserved-blocks-count for the root-filesystem with the tool:  tune2fs   (check the manpage and dont cry if it may run full in some month and suddenly block your system)
[19:00] <Boscop> can i resize the partition?
[19:01] <ianorlin> should backup before doing that
[19:01] <Boscop> ianorlin, yeah but will it work?
[19:01] <ianorlin> I haven't tried it but it should
[19:01] <Boscop> with gparted?
[19:01] <testdr> Boscop: normaly not - and only from another system while the root-filesystem is not in use - except you have lvm (but you should know more about it)
[19:02] <Boscop> i have lvm
[19:02] <Boscop> how can i check which files use the most space? with baobab i can't select partitions, just folders
[19:04] <testdr> Boscop: if you have some updates in your system - normaly there are more than 2-3 older kernels - you can remove those with the paket-manager (like synaptic etc.).
[19:06] <Boscop> testdr, i just installed 2 days ago
[19:07] <Boscop> but i used the system as root the first few days and created / downloaded some files
[19:07] <Boscop> but i don't remember which ones
[19:07] <Boscop> how can i check which files use the most space?
[19:12] <testdr> Boscop: only one example:  http://ask.xmodulo.com/find-biggest-files-directories-linux.html
[19:13] <forthewin> hi, my 256mb ram laptop couldnt handle xbmc it crashed and said not enough resources. Wishful thinking?
[19:19] <Boscop> testdr, gparted says: linux unified key setup encryption is not yet supported. wtf?
[19:27] <Jordan_U> Boscop: Exactly that, GParted doesn't support LUKS, which you are apparently using for device level encryption.
[19:27] <Boscop> yea
[19:27] <Boscop> seems like i need a live cd: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions
[19:43] <Boscop> testdr, Jordan_U: it seems /usr/share/doc takes up like 1GB. how can i disable all doc and man pages? (i never use them, i usually google)
[19:44] <Boscop> texlive-latex-extra-doc is 400 MB alone
[19:44] <Boscop> can i just delete the folder?
[19:44] <Boscop> how can i disable it for software that's installed in the future
[19:44] <testdr> Boscop: you should delete the packages -- use your favourite gui-tool or apt-get
[19:45] <Boscop> how to only remove the doc from everything?
[20:01] <holstein> Boscop: sounds like you have some things misconfigured.. maybe larger log files. i would try and address the issue, or remove what you are not using
[20:02] <holstein> !luks
[20:02] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FullDiskEncryptionHowto
[20:03] <Boscop> holstein, locale is taking up 420 MB too. can i just delete its contents too?
[20:03] <holstein> Boscop: what im suggest is, that you look into why that is so large.. what is causing that to get so large
[20:04] <Boscop> i only use english
[20:04] <Boscop> holstein, i did, using baobab
[20:04] <Boscop> disk usage analyzer
[20:04] <holstein> Boscop: ok.. so, what is causing it to get so large?
[20:04] <holstein> not, what did you use to determine what is so large..
[20:04] <Boscop> /usr is the largest folder with 6.1 GB
[20:05] <Boscop> in that, share is the largest
[20:05] <Boscop> 3.5 gb
[20:05] <holstein> ok
[20:05] <holstein> Boscop: what is causing locale to be so large?
[20:05] <Boscop> all the strings
[20:05] <Boscop> for different langs
[20:05] <holstein> Boscop: what iso did you use to install? the stock lubuntu 32bit 14.04?
[20:06] <Boscop> yeah
[20:06] <Boscop> in locale, the space usage is evenly distributed
[20:06] <Boscop> between all the langs
[20:06] <Boscop> but i don't need those