pittiGood morning06:07
larsuhi pitti!06:07
larsuhappy Monday :)06:07
pittihey larsu, wie gehts?06:08
larsupitti: gut danke! Und dir?06:12
* larsu had a nice weekend06:12
pittilarsu: we spent three days in Dresden, big family event (my parents both became 60)06:13
pittilarsu: so, three nights with very little sleep :) but it was great06:14
larsusounds cool! Weather was pretty good for that as well, right?06:14
pittilarsu: it was dreadful on Friday, but really nice on Saturday, yes06:19
TheMusoHey willcooke. :)07:04
willcookehowdy TheMuso - good weekend?07:06
TheMusowillcooke: Indeed. Yourself?07:06
willcookeyes thanks :)07:06
willcookeno news back from people about the a11y statement yet, I guess it will take them a few days to work out if their questions are answered07:07
Laneyumm, I mean hello!08:03
darkxsthey Laney08:03
Laneyyo darkxst08:04
Laneylet's start this transition today eh08:04
darkxstLaney, sure, I can't upload much of it08:05
darkxstbut the ppa is ready to go,08:06
darkxstand I will be around for atleast the next few hours, to answer any Q's08:06
Laneyneed to patch pilot this morning08:07
seb128good morning desktopers08:07
willcookemorning Laney seb12808:07
Laneybut i'll install the ppa first to see08:07
Laneyyo willcooke seb12808:07
Laneyhow's it going?08:08
seb128had a good w.e?08:08
pittihey Laney, morning seb12808:09
* pitti waves to willcooke08:09
seb128pitti, lut, wie gehts?08:09
pittiLaney: oh btw, I'm sponsoring a few things ATM, I guess I should coordinate with you08:09
Laneyhey pitti, cool, just assign stuff to yourself if sponsoring imho08:09
seb128or comment on them to say you uploaded08:10
seb128that's what I do usually08:10
pittiyeah, I do that08:10
Laneyneed to do it before starting work really08:10
Laneyweekend was very nice thanks, had a parental visit08:10
seb128depend of "work"08:10
seb128if that's a sync the command is like 15 seconds to run08:10
Laneythe work isn't executing the final command08:10
seb128k, fair enough08:11
seb128in practice I never had a conflict on a sync request08:11
pittiwell, the sync bugs are all closed now, just saying that the queue page didn't update yet08:11
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Laneydarkxst: it broke my compose key binding09:16
darkxstLaney, you are using u-s-d right?09:17
seb128Laney, you are sure it's the update that created the issue? you already had that with the sound keys and it turned out to also be an issue with the distro version iirc?09:18
Laneyit was working on friday09:19
Laneyor else I wouldn't have been able to sign uploads ...09:19
seb128it just weird that the gnome-desktop update impacts on that09:19
darkxstright, does gnome-desktop even know about the compose key?09:27
Laneyit's gnome desktop which reads the gsettings key09:27
Laneyisn't it?09:27
Laneyorg.gnome.desktop.input-sources iirc?09:27
darkxstLaney, gnome-desktop does read it, but don't think it handles the xkb-options09:31
darkxst(Which I presume is where the compose key would fit in?)09:31
Laneydoes it work for you?09:31
seb128the usd keyboard plugin does09:31
Laneycompose specifically please09:32
seb128where do you set it?09:32
Laneythe rest of keyboard is fine09:32
Laneyshortcuts -> typing09:32
seb128the combo with the limited choices?09:32
Laneyi have caps lock09:32
seb128can you give me a compose sequence?09:33
darkxstLaney, it works fine under GNOME09:33
Laneycompose ??09:33
Laneyshould give ¿09:33
seb128so let me update to the ppa now09:33
darkxst 'a becomes  á09:34
seb128what is the ppa again?09:34
LaneyI restarted after installing it09:37
seb128Laney, yeah, I can confirm the issue09:48
LaneyI don't get it from reading the code09:49
Laneytrying something09:49
Laneyif it doesn't work I'll have to punt for a bit, supposed to be patch piloting09:49
sabdflcertified public cloud09:49
willcooketkamppeter, did you see Mopria?  What do you think?  Is it something PWG would get involved with?09:49
Laneydon't you say those dirty words in here!09:49
seb128Laney, .cache/upstart/unity-settings-daemon.log has a "failed to load plugin keyboard" due to a missing gnome_xkb_info_free_var_defs missing symbol09:50
seb128hey sabdfl ;-)09:50
Laneydarkxst: probably is you then09:50
sabdflhello hello09:51
Laneyisn't that the branch he asked to be merged before?09:51
Laneywith the split landing09:51
sabdflbtw am enjoying the occasional dance via ubuntu-desktop-next!09:51
seb128sabdfl, nice! :-)09:51
Laneyoh yeah09:51
darkxstLaney, seb128 yes that was in my merge09:51
Laneyneed to remind desrt to bring that to DC09:51
willcookesabdfl, bregma is the hero of the hour there09:51
seb128Laney, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/185471122/unity-settings-daemon_14.04.0%2B14.10.20140605-0ubuntu2_14.04.0%2B14.10.20140922-0ubuntu1.diff.gz has that merged in09:52
willcookesabdfl, and his team, of course09:52
willcookeand ours09:52
seb128Laney, darkxst, https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/unity-settings-daemon/xkb/+merge/22491909:53
seb128it got merged09:53
seb128but maybe the rebase screwed the change?09:53
Laneythe call is still there09:54
* darkxst checking09:54
seb128no xkb -> gsd_xkb_get_var_defs in the code change09:54
darkxstthe rename seems to got lost09:54
Laneymerge must have borked it somehow09:54
Laneyokay, lemme know when you have a new branch09:55
darkxstwill push a fix09:55
* Laney goes back to the queue09:55
Laneydo you have bzr branches for the other packages we have in vcs btw?09:55
darkxstLaney, only for the merges09:55
Laneylike lp:~ubuntu-desktop/stuff09:56
darkxstLaney, I can make branches for the rebuilds09:56
Laneywould be nice09:57
Laneysometimes people branch and work from those09:57
Laneythen they'd get the wrong version09:57
darkxstLaney, I just used a super crude bash script to push the rebuilds to the ppa ;)09:57
Laneyyou can do the same here09:59
Laneycp, debcommit, push09:59
darkxstLaney, will do10:00
sabdflwillcooke, a little nit but could we get a nicer icon for the desktop-next session on the login screen?10:03
sabdfljust an 8 would be fine for now10:03
sabdflin the right font :)10:03
willcookesabdfl, sure, I will look in to it now10:03
sabdflmain visual thing that's off right now is we seem to have hardcoded the number of icons across a scope. instead, we should:10:05
sabdfl * know the base-grid-units for the screen10:05
sabdfl * fix the *spacing* between the icons10:06
sabdflthat way bigger screens get more icons on tablets / desktops10:06
sabdflphones of course are fixed at 40 bgu's width10:06
sabdflas is the sidestage for obvious reasons10:06
sabdflmake sense?10:06
willcookesabdfl, yes - totally10:07
willcookeleave it with me and I'll organise it with everyone10:07
darkxstLaney, u-s-d branch is missing latest upload!10:09
Laneyit's https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-settings-daemon/fix-libusd-depends10:11
Laneymerge that in, add his changelog entry, profit10:11
LaneyI think10:11
sabdflwillcooke, this will also help large-and-small tablets (i.e. nexus7 should be a tablet not a phone, and we'll see a range of "pro" tablets from everybody soon)10:12
willcookesabdfl, make sense.10:13
tkamppeterwillcooke, I have seen it now following the link of the e-Mail. I never heard about it from any PWG guy. I also did not find PWG info on their web site yet. If it actually uses PWG standards it would be great. And probably it uses them as most major printer manufacturers are participating already.10:28
willcooketkamppeter, cool.  Let me know if you need any support there, happy to help10:29
willcookethat reminds me, I need to test the bot...10:52
willcookeseb128, any objections to me playing with meetingology10:52
Laneytkamppeter: bug #778054 ?10:52
Laneyerm, "Care to look at"10:53
seb128willcooke, no objection from me10:53
* Laney threatens ubot2 with court proceedings10:53
Laneyyou link to that bug now10:53
seb128Laney, you might want to try again, ubot5 is back10:56
seb128we did +q one of the bots10:56
Laneybug #110:58
ubot5bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110:58
Laneybug #77805410:58
tkamppeterbug 77805410:59
* Laney moves on with life10:59
ubot5bug 778054 in system-config-printer (Ubuntu Trusty) "Trouble when removing transitional packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77805410:59
* Sweetshark hints seb128 at the libreoffice upload.11:00
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willcooke#startmeeing test-meeting11:23
willcooke#startmeeting test-meeting11:23
meetingologyMeeting started Mon Sep 29 11:23:31 2014 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.11:23
meetingologyAvailable commands: action commands idea info link nick11:23
willcooke#topic Wills updates11:23
willcooke#topic next topic11:24
willcooke#topic final topic11:24
meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Sep 29 11:24:40 2014 UTC.11:24
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2014/ubuntu-desktop.2014-09-29-11.23.moin.txt11:24
willcookeohhh yes11:24
willcookemuch easier11:25
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darkxstLaney, u-s-d on ppa should be fixed now, and all ~ubuntu-desktop branches pushed to lp:~darkxst/<package>/lp137234611:46
Laneywill tinker post lunch11:47
darkxstdo you want branches for the couple of others that are not ubuntu-desktop? like unity and indicatior-keyboard11:47
Laneywill just push, assuming they are no change11:47
Laneyand assuming I can do that11:47
darkxstLaney, only u-s-d has changes, everthing else is no change11:48
Laneybtw I saw that there are patches from Alberts for dialogs in flashback11:49
Laneymitya57 has been fiddling bits in debian, might be good to take it next cycle11:49
darkxstLaney, yes, makes sense, given they are already there, just not hooked up11:50
Laneyhaven't looked into it11:50
Laneybut maybe you two could work it out ;-)11:50
darkxstLaney which patches? the ones on desktop-devel@gnome?11:53
Laneyrelated to that11:54
LaneyI'd look at / talk about what he put into Debian SVN11:54
darkxstok will take a look sometime12:00
margaWhen is Unity 7.2.3 expected?12:12
marga(14.04 SRU 3)12:13
seb128marga, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/7.2.3+14.04.20140826-0ubuntu1 ?12:24
seb128do you mean when is it expected to move to -updates?12:24
seb128or do you wait for some other changes?12:24
darkxstLaney, that should be all the vcs branches pushed, and mp's for the merges12:27
Laneylunching, will look after12:28
darkxstLaney, ok12:29
margaseb128, yeah, I guess I meant when it would be available for the general public.12:29
margaI didn't know the packages were already there, I checked with apt-cache policy12:30
* darkxst will be off to bed in a bit12:30
margaseb128, is that the final list of changes?12:31
margaseb128, I was hoping for the fix to #1311316 to get included as well, but it's not listed there.12:31
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1311316 in Unity 7.2 "After locking screen there is no input field to type password for unlock" [High,In progress]12:31
margaSays "In progress" for Unity 7.2.3 "14.04 SRU 3"12:31
seb128marga, check with trevinho or bregma I guess, but that's what is currently in trusty-proposed/going to be moved to updates once validated12:34
margaseb128, ok, what's the expected date for that last step?12:34
seb128marga, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html12:34
seb128marga, updates need 1 week of testing and have their bugs validated12:35
seb128there are still some 6 bugs to verify, if that's done it should move wednesday12:35
margaseb128, ok, thanks a lot for the info12:36
bregmamarga, I do believe a fix for that problem is in the current pending Unity SRU12:36
margaUhm, could be that it is, but it's not in the changelog... I didn't check the source contents though12:36
seb128marga, the changes are in https://launchpadlibrarian.net/185605005/unity_7.2.2%2B14.04.20140714-0ubuntu1_7.2.3%2B14.04.20140826-0ubuntu1.diff.gz if you know what to look for exactly12:40
margaAs far as I can see, the fix doesn't seem to be there12:44
margaI guess I'll wait for Marco to confirm12:45
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desrtLaney: what am i to bring to DC? :)12:50
larsumorning desrt!12:51
willcookehey desrt12:52
willcookeqengho seb128  - how do we go about getting Chromium in to the Desktop next image?  I think it's broken right now, but when fixed, let's add it?13:11
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seb128willcooke, do we have a working Mir backend?13:15
willcookeseb128, we /did/ have13:15
willcookeseb128, qengho mentioned is was a bit broken atm, but that he's fixing it13:16
Laneydesrt: that laptop13:22
seb128willcooke, what is in the archive?13:22
desrtah.  right.13:22
willcookeseb128, sorry, do not understand the question13:23
willcookeseb128, if you're asking if the Mir backend is in there, then I very much doubt it13:24
LaneyI think it's 'does the version of chromium which is in utopic right now work on mir?'13:24
willcookeseb128, I'll check with qengho when he's on13:24
seb128willcooke, right, sorry, I meant "was it in the archive"13:24
seb128willcooke, we need the backend to be included first before we can seed chromium13:24
willcookeseb128, gotya - will check with qengho13:24
Laneydarkxst: compose works now13:37
GunnarHjseb128: Would it be possible to let u-c-c conflict g-c-c? It would indeed save users some confusion (bug #1373225).13:52
ubot5bug 1373225 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "Unity Control Center icons in the dash don't point to the right section in the Control Center" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137322513:52
qenghoseb128, willcooke: Chromium in U doesn't work on Mir. I'll make sure next version does.14:27
LaneyGunnarHj: no, then you can't have shell and unity on the same system14:29
Laneydo you see this problem yourself?14:29
GunnarHjLaney: Well, yes, with g-c-c installed the bug reporter's observations are easily reproducible.14:30
Laneynot for me14:31
GunnarHjLaney: Let me take a closer look. Getting back.14:31
Laneyanyway the .desktop files should grown OnlyShowIn=GNOME (or NotShowIn=Unity, forget what we chose)14:32
GunnarHjLaney: Yeah, maybe that's the real problem.14:32
LaneyI thought that was already done though14:33
GunnarHjLaney: Not completely, at least.14:33
willcookeqengho, thanks!  Do we have to get any extra goodies added so that it works on desktop next?14:36
qenghowillcooke: extra? Like what?14:36
willcookeqengho, don't know :)  So, on desktop-next if I apt-get install chromium I'll be able to use it, no faffing about14:38
qenghoAm I the only person having trouble with unity-schemas and libunity-core-6.0-9 both owning and updating /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/com.canonical.Unity.gschema.xml  ?14:39
qenghowillcooke: right, you shouldn't need to faff. It should just start a browser and go.14:41
willcookeqengho, \o/14:41
tkamppeterLaney, SRU for bug 778054 uploaded.15:04
ubot5bug 778054 in system-config-printer (Ubuntu Trusty) "Trouble when removing transitional packages" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77805415:04
LaneyI was wondering if it was worth it15:04
tkamppeterLaney, users will probably not perceive the presence of the transitional package. And I even could not uninstall the transitional package after installing this SRU as there are three other packages requiring it.15:05
LaneyIs it fixed in 14.10?15:06
tkamppeterLaney, probably yes, as the bug is marked as fixed for Utopic.15:12
tkamppeterLaney, it is really fixed, as if I try to uninstall python-gobject there is no complaint from s-c-p, only from python-zeitgeist and python-appindicator.15:17
GunnarHjLaney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1373225/comments/715:17
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1373225 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "Unity Control Center icons in the dash don't point to the right section in the Control Center" [Low,Triaged]15:17
seb128GunnarHj, hey, right you need to tweak those keys15:18
GunnarHjseb128: Ok. Would you be helped by a MP, or is it easier to fix without it? ;)15:19
LaneyGunnarHj: there's https://bugs.launchpad.net/activity-log-manager/+bug/1363721 for the a-l-m part15:19
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1363721 in activity-log-manager (Ubuntu) "Duplicate "Security & Privacy" icons in Unity dash" [Undecided,Confirmed]15:19
seb128GunnarHj, mp are always welcome15:19
Laneythat has a patch already15:19
LaneyI'll upload it today15:19
seb128thanks Laney15:20
Laneyare all the others in g-c-c?15:20
GunnarHjseb128, Laney: Ok, I can prepare a MP with the rest. Yes, in g-c-c (I think....).15:20
seb128not sure but I think Ubuntu GNOME wanted to update g-c-c after gnome-desktop15:21
seb128that might still be the case/fixed in that update, not sure15:21
GunnarHjseb128: Are you saying it's too early?15:22
LaneyCheck if they're fixed upstream15:22
Laneyif not please also submit your patch there ;-)15:22
seb128or in the version that is in the gnome3 ppa15:22
GunnarHjI'll take a look.15:22
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seb128dpm, do you know if anyone plans to update the unity8 translation template?15:40
dpmseb128, hm, good point, I don't. I generally relied on Saviq to do it, but yeah, he's away. Do you know who do I best ping to do it?15:42
seb128dpm, no idea, let me ask on #ubuntu-unity15:43
dpmok, thanks15:43
seb128those manual updates of translation templates just don't work15:44
seb128we keep getting outdated15:44
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kodiak1Take pity on me a Fedora user - is there any documented guidance on using the Ubuntu installer to create an LVM-based installation that is LUKS encrypted for all LVs but not for phys partition /boot?  This is easy enough on Fedora, but I've not figured it out using the Ubuntu installer.  It might just be me simply understanding what the stated options really mean.  (Linux proficiency level:  RHEL sysadmin.)17:09
kodiak1I'm wondering if I just need to create a physical /boot, then create the LUKS crypt container as the full size of my Ubuntu installation, then create LVs within that?17:13
margaTrevinho, it seems that the fix for the missing password prompt is not in the Unity version in -proposed. Is that correct?17:48
willcookekodiak1, I don't think this is the best channel for your question.. but... jpds might be able to help you, since he knows about this kinda thing.  He's likely offline right now (end of day for him) so maybe ping him tomorrow?17:52
jpdskodiak1: The installer can do all that for you.17:53
jpdswillcooke: Yo.17:53
willcookehey jpds!  You're not still at work are you?17:54
willcooke(I don't plan to be for much longer)17:54
jpdswillcooke: Playing with my new machine.17:54
willcookenew toys17:55
kodiak1thanks both17:56
willcookeright, EOD.  laters 'taters17:57
Trevinhomarga: yes, as I told you the SRU that is in proposed now was the one that was in queue last time, so it will be in next one19:05
margaTrevinho, ok... I just wanted to make sure, because last time it wasn't certain19:10
margaTrevinho, you said that you had a branch both with the SRU and the patch. Do you have a package with that?19:11
Trevinhomarga: np, sorry about that but the updates take some times to hit the stable release, with all the pro&cons of the case19:11
margaOtherwise, I'll just take the SRU and apply the patch and distribute that internally until the next SRU19:11
Trevinhomarga: the package is the one in the PPA19:12
margaTrevinho, yes, but that is < than the SRU19:12
margaOr do you have a new one19:12
Trevinhomarga: right, I can update the deb if you want19:12
margaIt's fine, I can do it myself.19:13
margaI only didn't want to do it if you had already done it, to avoid duplication19:13
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Trevinhomarga: oh, I didn't read that: the package should be building on the ppa...20:03
margaOk, :)20:05
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robert_ancellbregma, https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity8-desktop-session/greeter-icon/+merge/23642120:49
robert_ancellAs requested by sabdfl20:49
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