[06:07] <pitti> Good morning
[06:07] <larsu> hi pitti!
[06:07] <larsu> happy Monday :)
[06:08] <pitti> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[06:12] <larsu> pitti: gut danke! Und dir?
[06:12]  * larsu had a nice weekend
[06:13] <pitti> larsu: we spent three days in Dresden, big family event (my parents both became 60)
[06:14] <pitti> larsu: so, three nights with very little sleep :) but it was great
[06:14] <larsu> sounds cool! Weather was pretty good for that as well, right?
[06:19] <pitti> larsu: it was dreadful on Friday, but really nice on Saturday, yes
[06:46] <willcooke> morning
[07:04] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke. :)
[07:06] <willcooke> howdy TheMuso - good weekend?
[07:06] <TheMuso> willcooke: Indeed. Yourself?
[07:06] <willcooke> yes thanks :)
[07:07] <willcooke> no news back from people about the a11y statement yet, I guess it will take them a few days to work out if their questions are answered
[08:03] <Laney> 3~
[08:03] <Laney> umm, I mean hello!
[08:03] <darkxst> hey Laney
[08:04] <Laney> yo darkxst
[08:04] <Laney> let's start this transition today eh
[08:05] <darkxst> Laney, sure, I can't upload much of it
[08:06] <darkxst> but the ppa is ready to go,
[08:06] <darkxst> and I will be around for atleast the next few hours, to answer any Q's
[08:07] <Laney> need to patch pilot this morning
[08:07] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:07] <willcooke> morning Laney seb128
[08:07] <Laney> but i'll install the ppa first to see
[08:07] <Laney> yo willcooke seb128
[08:08] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:08] <seb128> good!
[08:08] <seb128> you?
[08:08] <seb128> had a good w.e?
[08:09] <pitti> hey Laney, morning seb128
[08:09]  * pitti waves to willcooke
[08:09] <seb128> pitti, lut, wie gehts?
[08:09] <pitti> Laney: oh btw, I'm sponsoring a few things ATM, I guess I should coordinate with you
[08:09] <Laney> hey pitti, cool, just assign stuff to yourself if sponsoring imho
[08:10] <seb128> or comment on them to say you uploaded
[08:10] <seb128> that's what I do usually
[08:10] <pitti> yeah, I do that
[08:10] <Laney> need to do it before starting work really
[08:10] <Laney> weekend was very nice thanks, had a parental visit
[08:10] <seb128> depend of "work"
[08:10] <seb128> if that's a sync the command is like 15 seconds to run
[08:10] <Laney> the work isn't executing the final command
[08:11] <seb128> k, fair enough
[08:11] <seb128> in practice I never had a conflict on a sync request
[08:11] <pitti> well, the sync bugs are all closed now, just saying that the queue page didn't update yet
[09:16] <Laney> darkxst: it broke my compose key binding
[09:17] <darkxst> Laney, you are using u-s-d right?
[09:17] <Laney> ya
[09:18] <seb128> Laney, you are sure it's the update that created the issue? you already had that with the sound keys and it turned out to also be an issue with the distro version iirc?
[09:19] <Laney> it was working on friday
[09:19] <Laney> or else I wouldn't have been able to sign uploads ...
[09:19] <seb128> it just weird that the gnome-desktop update impacts on that
[09:27] <darkxst> right, does gnome-desktop even know about the compose key?
[09:27] <Laney> it's gnome desktop which reads the gsettings key
[09:27] <Laney> isn't it?
[09:27] <Laney> org.gnome.desktop.input-sources iirc?
[09:31] <darkxst> Laney, gnome-desktop does read it, but don't think it handles the xkb-options
[09:31] <darkxst> (Which I presume is where the compose key would fit in?)
[09:31] <Laney> yep
[09:31] <Laney> does it work for you?
[09:31] <seb128> the usd keyboard plugin does
[09:32] <Laney> compose specifically please
[09:32] <seb128> where do you set it?
[09:32] <Laney> the rest of keyboard is fine
[09:32] <Laney> shortcuts -> typing
[09:32] <seb128> the combo with the limited choices?
[09:32] <Laney> yep
[09:32] <Laney> i have caps lock
[09:33] <seb128> can you give me a compose sequence?
[09:33] <darkxst> Laney, it works fine under GNOME
[09:33] <Laney> compose ??
[09:33] <Laney> should give ¿
[09:33] <seb128> ¿
[09:33] <seb128> works
[09:33] <seb128> so let me update to the ppa now
[09:34] <darkxst>  'a becomes  á
[09:34] <seb128> what is the ppa again?
[09:35] <darkxst> ppa:darkxst/gnome-desktop
[09:36] <seb128> thanks
[09:37] <Laney> I restarted after installing it
[09:48] <seb128> Laney, yeah, I can confirm the issue
[09:49] <Laney> I don't get it from reading the code
[09:49] <Laney> trying something
[09:49] <Laney> if it doesn't work I'll have to punt for a bit, supposed to be patch piloting
[09:49] <sabdfl> certified public cloud
[09:49] <sabdfl> oww
[09:49] <willcooke> tkamppeter, did you see Mopria?  What do you think?  Is it something PWG would get involved with?
[09:49] <Laney> don't you say those dirty words in here!
[09:50] <seb128> Laney, .cache/upstart/unity-settings-daemon.log has a "failed to load plugin keyboard" due to a missing gnome_xkb_info_free_var_defs missing symbol
[09:50] <Laney> ah
[09:50] <seb128> hey sabdfl ;-)
[09:50] <Laney> darkxst: probably is you then
[09:51] <sabdfl> hello hello
[09:51] <Laney> isn't that the branch he asked to be merged before?
[09:51] <Laney> with the split landing
[09:51] <sabdfl> btw am enjoying the occasional dance via ubuntu-desktop-next!
[09:51] <seb128> sabdfl, nice! :-)
[09:51] <Laney> oh yeah
[09:51] <darkxst> Laney, seb128 yes that was in my merge
[09:51] <Laney> need to remind desrt to bring that to DC
[09:51] <willcooke> sabdfl, bregma is the hero of the hour there
[09:52] <seb128> Laney, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/185471122/unity-settings-daemon_14.04.0%2B14.10.20140605-0ubuntu2_14.04.0%2B14.10.20140922-0ubuntu1.diff.gz has that merged in
[09:52] <willcooke> sabdfl, and his team, of course
[09:52] <willcooke> and ours
[09:53] <seb128> Laney, darkxst, https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/unity-settings-daemon/xkb/+merge/224919
[09:53] <seb128> it got merged
[09:53] <seb128> but maybe the rebase screwed the change?
[09:54] <Laney> the call is still there
[09:54]  * darkxst checking
[09:54] <seb128> no xkb -> gsd_xkb_get_var_defs in the code change
[09:54] <darkxst> the rename seems to got lost
[09:54] <Laney> yeah
[09:54] <Laney> merge must have borked it somehow
[09:55] <Laney> okay, lemme know when you have a new branch
[09:55] <darkxst> will push a fix
[09:55]  * Laney goes back to the queue
[09:55] <Laney> do you have bzr branches for the other packages we have in vcs btw?
[09:55] <darkxst> Laney, only for the merges
[09:56] <Laney> like lp:~ubuntu-desktop/stuff
[09:56] <darkxst> Laney, I can make branches for the rebuilds
[09:57] <Laney> would be nice
[09:57] <Laney> sometimes people branch and work from those
[09:57] <Laney> then they'd get the wrong version
[09:57] <darkxst> Laney, I just used a super crude bash script to push the rebuilds to the ppa ;)
[09:59] <Laney> you can do the same here
[09:59] <Laney> cp, debcommit, push
[10:00] <darkxst> Laney, will do
[10:00] <Laney> cheers
[10:03] <sabdfl> willcooke, a little nit but could we get a nicer icon for the desktop-next session on the login screen?
[10:03] <sabdfl> just an 8 would be fine for now
[10:03] <sabdfl> in the right font :)
[10:03] <willcooke> sabdfl, sure, I will look in to it now
[10:05] <sabdfl> main visual thing that's off right now is we seem to have hardcoded the number of icons across a scope. instead, we should:
[10:05] <sabdfl>  * know the base-grid-units for the screen
[10:06] <sabdfl>  * fix the *spacing* between the icons
[10:06] <sabdfl> that way bigger screens get more icons on tablets / desktops
[10:06] <sabdfl> phones of course are fixed at 40 bgu's width
[10:06] <sabdfl> as is the sidestage for obvious reasons
[10:06] <sabdfl> make sense?
[10:07] <willcooke> sabdfl, yes - totally
[10:07] <willcooke> leave it with me and I'll organise it with everyone
[10:09] <darkxst> Laney, u-s-d branch is missing latest upload!
[10:10] <Laney> ROBERTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
[10:11] <Laney> it's https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-settings-daemon/fix-libusd-depends
[10:11] <Laney> merge that in, add his changelog entry, profit
[10:11] <Laney> I think
[10:12] <sabdfl> willcooke, this will also help large-and-small tablets (i.e. nexus7 should be a tablet not a phone, and we'll see a range of "pro" tablets from everybody soon)
[10:13] <willcooke> sabdfl, make sense.
[10:13] <willcooke> *makes*
[10:28] <tkamppeter> willcooke, I have seen it now following the link of the e-Mail. I never heard about it from any PWG guy. I also did not find PWG info on their web site yet. If it actually uses PWG standards it would be great. And probably it uses them as most major printer manufacturers are participating already.
[10:29] <willcooke> tkamppeter, cool.  Let me know if you need any support there, happy to help
[10:52] <willcooke> that reminds me, I need to test the bot...
[10:52] <willcooke> seb128, any objections to me playing with meetingology
[10:52] <Laney> tkamppeter: bug #778054 ?
[10:53] <Laney> erm, "Care to look at"
[10:53] <seb128> willcooke, no objection from me
[10:53]  * Laney threatens ubot2 with court proceedings
[10:53] <Laney> you link to that bug now
[10:56] <seb128> Laney, you might want to try again, ubot5 is back
[10:56] <seb128> we did +q one of the bots
[10:58] <Laney> bug #1
[10:58] <Laney> bug #778054
[10:58] <Laney> ta
[10:59] <tkamppeter> bug 778054
[10:59] <Laney> haha
[10:59]  * Laney moves on with life
[11:00]  * Sweetshark hints seb128 at the libreoffice upload.
[11:23] <willcooke> #startmeeing test-meeting
[11:23] <willcooke> #startmeeting test-meeting
[11:23] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Sep 29 11:23:31 2014 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[11:23] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[11:23] <willcooke> #topic Wills updates
[11:24] <willcooke> #topic next topic
[11:24] <willcooke> #topic final topic
[11:24] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[11:24] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Sep 29 11:24:40 2014 UTC.
[11:24] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2014/ubuntu-desktop.2014-09-29-11.23.moin.txt
[11:24] <willcooke> ohhh yes
[11:25] <willcooke> much easier
[11:46] <darkxst> Laney, u-s-d on ppa should be fixed now, and all ~ubuntu-desktop branches pushed to lp:~darkxst/<package>/lp1372346
[11:47] <Laney> ty
[11:47] <Laney> will tinker post lunch
[11:47] <darkxst> do you want branches for the couple of others that are not ubuntu-desktop? like unity and indicatior-keyboard
[11:47] <Laney> please
[11:47] <Laney> will just push, assuming they are no change
[11:47] <Laney> and assuming I can do that
[11:48] <darkxst> Laney, only u-s-d has changes, everthing else is no change
[11:48] <Laney> neat
[11:49] <Laney> btw I saw that there are patches from Alberts for dialogs in flashback
[11:49] <Laney> mitya57 has been fiddling bits in debian, might be good to take it next cycle
[11:50] <darkxst> Laney, yes, makes sense, given they are already there, just not hooked up
[11:50] <Laney> haven't looked into it
[11:50] <Laney> but maybe you two could work it out ;-)
[11:53] <darkxst> Laney which patches? the ones on desktop-devel@gnome?
[11:54] <Laney> related to that
[11:54] <Laney> I'd look at / talk about what he put into Debian SVN
[12:00] <darkxst> ok will take a look sometime
[12:12] <marga> When is Unity 7.2.3 expected?
[12:13] <marga> (14.04 SRU 3)
[12:24] <seb128> marga, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/7.2.3+14.04.20140826-0ubuntu1 ?
[12:24] <seb128> do you mean when is it expected to move to -updates?
[12:24] <seb128> or do you wait for some other changes?
[12:27] <darkxst> Laney, that should be all the vcs branches pushed, and mp's for the merges
[12:27] <Laney> ty
[12:28] <Laney> lunching, will look after
[12:29] <darkxst> Laney, ok
[12:29] <marga> seb128, yeah, I guess I meant when it would be available for the general public.
[12:30] <marga> I didn't know the packages were already there, I checked with apt-cache policy
[12:30]  * darkxst will be off to bed in a bit
[12:31] <marga> seb128, is that the final list of changes?
[12:31] <marga> seb128, I was hoping for the fix to #1311316 to get included as well, but it's not listed there.
[12:31] <marga> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1311316
[12:31] <marga> Says "In progress" for Unity 7.2.3 "14.04 SRU 3"
[12:34] <seb128> marga, check with trevinho or bregma I guess, but that's what is currently in trusty-proposed/going to be moved to updates once validated
[12:34] <marga> seb128, ok, what's the expected date for that last step?
[12:34] <seb128> marga, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[12:35] <seb128> marga, updates need 1 week of testing and have their bugs validated
[12:35] <seb128> there are still some 6 bugs to verify, if that's done it should move wednesday
[12:36] <marga> seb128, ok, thanks a lot for the info
[12:36] <seb128> yw!
[12:36] <bregma> marga, I do believe a fix for that problem is in the current pending Unity SRU
[12:36] <marga> Uhm, could be that it is, but it's not in the changelog... I didn't check the source contents though
[12:40] <seb128> marga, the changes are in https://launchpadlibrarian.net/185605005/unity_7.2.2%2B14.04.20140714-0ubuntu1_7.2.3%2B14.04.20140826-0ubuntu1.diff.gz if you know what to look for exactly
[12:44] <marga> As far as I can see, the fix doesn't seem to be there
[12:45] <marga> I guess I'll wait for Marco to confirm
[12:47] <seb128> yeah
[12:50] <desrt> Laney: what am i to bring to DC? :)
[12:51] <larsu> morning desrt!
[12:52] <desrt> g'morn
[12:52] <willcooke> hey desrt
[13:11] <willcooke> qengho seb128  - how do we go about getting Chromium in to the Desktop next image?  I think it's broken right now, but when fixed, let's add it?
[13:15] <seb128> willcooke, do we have a working Mir backend?
[13:15] <willcooke> seb128, we /did/ have
[13:16] <willcooke> seb128, qengho mentioned is was a bit broken atm, but that he's fixing it
[13:22] <Laney> desrt: that laptop
[13:22] <seb128> willcooke, what is in the archive?
[13:22] <desrt> ah.  right.
[13:23] <willcooke> seb128, sorry, do not understand the question
[13:24] <willcooke> seb128, if you're asking if the Mir backend is in there, then I very much doubt it
[13:24] <Laney> I think it's 'does the version of chromium which is in utopic right now work on mir?'
[13:24] <willcooke> seb128, I'll check with qengho when he's on
[13:24] <seb128> willcooke, right, sorry, I meant "was it in the archive"
[13:24] <seb128> willcooke, we need the backend to be included first before we can seed chromium
[13:24] <seb128> k
[13:24] <willcooke> seb128, gotya - will check with qengho
[13:24] <willcooke> thx
[13:25] <seb128> yw!
[13:37] <Laney> darkxst: compose works now
[13:52] <GunnarHj> seb128: Would it be possible to let u-c-c conflict g-c-c? It would indeed save users some confusion (bug #1373225).
[14:27] <qengho> seb128, willcooke: Chromium in U doesn't work on Mir. I'll make sure next version does.
[14:29] <Laney> GunnarHj: no, then you can't have shell and unity on the same system
[14:29] <Laney> do you see this problem yourself?
[14:30] <GunnarHj> Laney: Well, yes, with g-c-c installed the bug reporter's observations are easily reproducible.
[14:31] <Laney> not for me
[14:31] <GunnarHj> Laney: Let me take a closer look. Getting back.
[14:32] <Laney> anyway the .desktop files should grown OnlyShowIn=GNOME (or NotShowIn=Unity, forget what we chose)
[14:32] <Laney> s/grown/grow/
[14:32] <GunnarHj> Laney: Yeah, maybe that's the real problem.
[14:33] <Laney> I thought that was already done though
[14:33] <GunnarHj> Laney: Not completely, at least.
[14:36] <willcooke> qengho, thanks!  Do we have to get any extra goodies added so that it works on desktop next?
[14:36] <qengho> willcooke: extra? Like what?
[14:38] <willcooke> qengho, don't know :)  So, on desktop-next if I apt-get install chromium I'll be able to use it, no faffing about
[14:39] <qengho> Am I the only person having trouble with unity-schemas and libunity-core-6.0-9 both owning and updating /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/com.canonical.Unity.gschema.xml  ?
[14:41] <qengho> willcooke: right, you shouldn't need to faff. It should just start a browser and go.
[14:41] <willcooke> qengho, \o/
[14:41] <willcooke> thx
[15:04] <tkamppeter> Laney, SRU for bug 778054 uploaded.
[15:04] <Laney> cool
[15:04] <Laney> I was wondering if it was worth it
[15:05] <tkamppeter> Laney, users will probably not perceive the presence of the transitional package. And I even could not uninstall the transitional package after installing this SRU as there are three other packages requiring it.
[15:06] <Laney> Is it fixed in 14.10?
[15:12] <tkamppeter> Laney, probably yes, as the bug is marked as fixed for Utopic.
[15:17] <tkamppeter> Laney, it is really fixed, as if I try to uninstall python-gobject there is no complaint from s-c-p, only from python-zeitgeist and python-appindicator.
[15:17] <GunnarHj> Laney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1373225/comments/7
[15:18] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, right you need to tweak those keys
[15:19] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok. Would you be helped by a MP, or is it easier to fix without it? ;)
[15:19] <Laney> GunnarHj: there's https://bugs.launchpad.net/activity-log-manager/+bug/1363721 for the a-l-m part
[15:19] <seb128> GunnarHj, mp are always welcome
[15:19] <Laney> that has a patch already
[15:19] <Laney> I'll upload it today
[15:20] <seb128> thanks Laney
[15:20] <Laney> are all the others in g-c-c?
[15:20] <GunnarHj> seb128, Laney: Ok, I can prepare a MP with the rest. Yes, in g-c-c (I think....).
[15:21] <seb128> not sure but I think Ubuntu GNOME wanted to update g-c-c after gnome-desktop
[15:21] <seb128> that might still be the case/fixed in that update, not sure
[15:22] <GunnarHj> seb128: Are you saying it's too early?
[15:22] <Laney> Check if they're fixed upstream
[15:22] <Laney> if not please also submit your patch there ;-)
[15:22] <seb128> or in the version that is in the gnome3 ppa
[15:22] <GunnarHj> I'll take a look.
[15:23] <seb128> thanks
[15:40] <seb128> dpm, do you know if anyone plans to update the unity8 translation template?
[15:42] <dpm> seb128, hm, good point, I don't. I generally relied on Saviq to do it, but yeah, he's away. Do you know who do I best ping to do it?
[15:43] <seb128> dpm, no idea, let me ask on #ubuntu-unity
[15:43] <dpm> ok, thanks
[15:43] <seb128> yw!
[15:44] <seb128> those manual updates of translation templates just don't work
[15:44] <seb128> we keep getting outdated
[17:09] <kodiak1> Take pity on me a Fedora user - is there any documented guidance on using the Ubuntu installer to create an LVM-based installation that is LUKS encrypted for all LVs but not for phys partition /boot?  This is easy enough on Fedora, but I've not figured it out using the Ubuntu installer.  It might just be me simply understanding what the stated options really mean.  (Linux proficiency level:  RHEL sysadmin.)
[17:13] <kodiak1> I'm wondering if I just need to create a physical /boot, then create the LUKS crypt container as the full size of my Ubuntu installation, then create LVs within that?
[17:48] <marga> Trevinho, it seems that the fix for the missing password prompt is not in the Unity version in -proposed. Is that correct?
[17:52] <willcooke> kodiak1, I don't think this is the best channel for your question.. but... jpds might be able to help you, since he knows about this kinda thing.  He's likely offline right now (end of day for him) so maybe ping him tomorrow?
[17:53] <jpds> kodiak1: The installer can do all that for you.
[17:53] <jpds> willcooke: Yo.
[17:54] <willcooke> hey jpds!  You're not still at work are you?
[17:54] <willcooke> (I don't plan to be for much longer)
[17:54] <jpds> willcooke: Playing with my new machine.
[17:55] <willcooke> hehe
[17:55] <willcooke> new toys
[17:56] <kodiak1> thanks both
[17:57] <willcooke> right, EOD.  laters 'taters
[19:05] <Trevinho> marga: yes, as I told you the SRU that is in proposed now was the one that was in queue last time, so it will be in next one
[19:10] <marga> Trevinho, ok... I just wanted to make sure, because last time it wasn't certain
[19:11] <marga> Trevinho, you said that you had a branch both with the SRU and the patch. Do you have a package with that?
[19:11] <Trevinho> marga: np, sorry about that but the updates take some times to hit the stable release, with all the pro&cons of the case
[19:11] <marga> Otherwise, I'll just take the SRU and apply the patch and distribute that internally until the next SRU
[19:12] <Trevinho> marga: the package is the one in the PPA
[19:12] <marga> Trevinho, yes, but that is < than the SRU
[19:12] <marga> Or do you have a new one
[19:12] <Trevinho> marga: right, I can update the deb if you want
[19:13] <marga> It's fine, I can do it myself.
[19:13] <marga> I only didn't want to do it if you had already done it, to avoid duplication
[20:03] <Trevinho> marga: oh, I didn't read that: the package should be building on the ppa...
[20:05] <marga> Ok, :)
[20:49] <robert_ancell> bregma, https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity8-desktop-session/greeter-icon/+merge/236421
[20:49] <robert_ancell> As requested by sabdfl