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| Avagetto | hi | 07:36 |
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| Avagetto | Anybody can help me, and answer on my stupid questuions?) | 07:43 |
| Avagetto | for example mir was work on arm board with mali t-760 gpu and rk3298 soc | 07:44 |
| Avagetto | whether to work with hardware decoding and 3D acceleration? | 07:46 |
| anpok__ | i think we havent had a phone or tablet yet that used t760.. s | 07:56 |
| anpok__ | so it might just work .. or fail. | 07:56 |
| Avagetto | i have board., android sdk . and was able to install ubuntu on it | 07:57 |
| Avagetto | it works but does not have hardware decoding. and i want to try use mir display server to use android drivers | 07:58 |
| anpok__ | so what happens if you instal hybris and the android graphics platform of mir? | 07:59 |
| Avagetto | I have not had time to install mir . decided to ask the experts is it possible? | 08:02 |
| Avagetto | or at this stage, mir can only work with a particular condition | 08:04 |
| Avagetto | ? | 08:04 |
| Avagetto | ok | 08:08 |
| Avagetto | sorry for english. | 08:08 |
| Avagetto | thx | 08:08 |
| anpok__ | i doubt that it will work with a vanilla kernel | 08:09 |
| anpok__ | Avagetto: best chances to get it woriking using the android drivers would be through: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting | 08:18 |
| anpok__ | unless of course you have drm capable mali drivers that work with current linux kernels | 08:20 |
| Avagetto | i try to use. | 08:20 |
| Avagetto | what is drm? | 08:23 |
| anpok__ | direct rendering manager.. a linux kernel framework and (partly) generic interface for dealing with graphics resources and rendering control and outputs | 08:25 |
| anpok__ | Avagetto: mir has currently two hardware accelerated platforms for rendering - one that relies on the android hwc and (hopefully obselete) fb interfaces, and another one that uses drm. | 08:27 |
| anpok__ | all open source drivers (apart from lima) usually integrate and use drm | 08:28 |
| anpok__ | all the others.. have there own way into kernel space | 08:29 |
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| Avagetto | ok. | 08:46 |
| Avagetto | thank you very much. I'm just a novice in this. I will try to understand this in more detail. Sorry for wasting your time. | 08:47 |
| anpok__ | you have not | 08:47 |
| anpok__ | just now wondering where to get one of these | 08:47 |
| Avagetto | ? | 08:49 |
| anpok__ | i just saw a benchmark for rk3288 based board | 08:50 |
| anpok__ | it seems to be quite powerful | 08:51 |
| Avagetto | yes it is wonderfull. | 08:51 |
| Avagetto | http://t-firefly.com/ | 08:52 |
| Avagetto | i try use this board | 08:52 |
| Avagetto | http://www.t-firefly.com/ | 08:53 |
| anpok__ | Avagetto: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1409.3/01550.html | 09:04 |
| anpok__ | there is a not yet merged drm driver.. | 09:04 |
| anpok__ | so if they ship user space drivers too, you might have a good chance to run mir without the android parts | 09:05 |
| anpok__ | if thats not the case you would only have kms-swrast runable | 09:06 |
| Avagetto | i found this | 09:13 |
| Avagetto | http://malideveloper.arm.com/downloads/drivers/TX011/r4p1-00rel0/TX011-SW-99002-r4p1-00rel0.tgz | 09:13 |
| Avagetto | this can help me? | 09:14 |
| anpok__ | driver looks good, at first sight prime support, page flipping... is available | 09:17 |
| anpok__ | but those are only the kernel parts.. are there user space drivers available too? and in which form? | 09:20 |
| Avagetto | no . i not see user space drivers=( | 09:20 |
| anpok__ | https://github.com/linux-sunxi/sunxi-mali.git those seem to be older ones.. and that would only allow mir to run as a server | 09:21 |
| Avagetto | on android we have ko | 09:21 |
| anpok__ | to get mir clients run on top of that you need a to either hook into the egl implementation in some way or have an open source egl implementation | 09:22 |
| Avagetto | in android i have only bin (user space driver), if i not wrong he work as module of kernel | 09:52 |
| Avagetto | on linux - nothing | 09:52 |
| anpok__ | then better go with ubuntu-touch porting for now | 09:54 |
| Avagetto | ok. are you ubuntu devoloper? | 09:56 |
| anpok__ | yes working on mir - but usually dealing withe mesa/drm | 09:56 |
| anpok__ | -e | 09:57 |
| Avagetto | I guess that's fine, interence to work for this company=) | 09:59 |
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| lex_ | hello there | 18:17 |
| lex_ | anyone from the devs here? | 18:18 |
| anpok | yes | 18:20 |
| anpok | there are some around | 18:20 |
| lex_ | alright then | 18:32 |
| lex_ | question to mir, license and ubuntu development in general | 18:33 |
| lex_ | i am a former user of ubuntu | 18:33 |
| lex_ | i was quite happy for some time | 18:33 |
| lex_ | then later moved to different os and now thinking about coming back | 18:33 |
| lex_ | BUT there are some things which hinder me: | 18:33 |
| lex_ | 1. Why does canonical lately not contribute so much in community projects? > mir > upstart | 18:34 |
| lex_ | 2. why does mir have such strange license. the critics i read where about restrict contributed code, making a business out of it etc. | 18:34 |
| lex_ | 3. why are ubuntu versions sometimes developed behind close doors? im not saying that the code is not free after all, but the development takes place behind doors sometimes. | 18:35 |
| lex_ | these are things which are somehow bothering me and i would be happy to get some info and i am more than happy to be proven wrong with my opinions/feelings | 18:36 |
| anpok | lex_: 1) thats a very general complaint. on what do you base that on? canonical employee are contributing to a lot of projects.. submitting patches and play by the rules of the project involved.. | 18:37 |
| anpok | or is that rather a complain that software developers develop software? | 18:37 |
| anpok | % typos.. | 18:38 |
| anpok | 2. i guess you dont mean gpl and lgpl? | 18:39 |
| anpok | back then when I worked for a closed source company we also disliked gpl software.. | 18:39 |
| anpok | 3. in case of mir... most discussions happen inside MPs on launchpad.. some of those discussion leak into IRC here.. | 18:42 |
| lex_ | 1. well i was just reading some news sites and wikipedia etc. and was just wondering what the actually facts are | 18:46 |
| lex_ | 2. yes, thats what i mean. what are you trying to say when talking about disliking gpl in closed source company? | 18:47 |
| lex_ | canoncial is not supposed to be one, is it? | 18:47 |
| anpok | 2. no it is not.. and will not .. the source is out there. I just wanted to state that I can understand that complaint that gpl is stopping you if you are working on closed source software and you want to integrate gpl | 18:50 |
| anpok | s/gpl/that project | 18:50 |
| lex_ | hmmm | 18:51 |
| lex_ | aight | 18:51 |
| lex_ | unlike upstart, mir will probably stay, right? together with unity 8 | 18:51 |
| lex_ | are there any plans of dropping it? | 18:51 |
| anpok | why should there be any? | 18:56 |
| lex_ | dont know | 19:01 |
| lex_ | just askilng | 19:01 |
| lex_ | i dont want to get back to a distro which will change a lot in the next 6 to 12 years, you know | 19:01 |
| lex_ | i want something stable, but 14.04 will do it i guess | 19:01 |
| lex_ | anyway ima try it | 19:01 |
| anpok | why do you dislike changes? | 19:01 |
| lex_ | thx for the info | 19:01 |
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| lex_ | I do not | 19:22 |
| lex_ | I like unity in general | 19:22 |
| lex_ | I like ubuntu overall design | 19:22 |
| lex_ | I like many features | 19:22 |
| lex_ | I like a lot about it | 19:22 |
| lex_ | but I think its just strange that even distros like Xubuntu / Kubuntu / Lubuntu sort of turn their backs on Ubuntu | 19:23 |
| lex_ | maybe its the childish community | 19:23 |
| lex_ | or the direction Ubuntu is heading to | 19:23 |
| lex_ | i dont know | 19:23 |
| lex_ | however i am going to give them a try | 19:23 |
| lex_ | havent in quite some time | 19:23 |
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