[07:36] <Avagetto> hi
[07:43] <Avagetto> Anybody  can help me, and answer on my stupid questuions?)
[07:44] <Avagetto> for example mir was work on arm board with  mali t-760 gpu and rk3298 soc
[07:46] <Avagetto> whether to work with hardware decoding and 3D acceleration?
[07:56] <anpok__> i think we havent had a phone or tablet yet that used t760.. s
[07:56] <anpok__> so it might just work .. or fail.
[07:57] <Avagetto> i have board., android sdk . and was able to install ubuntu on it
[07:58] <Avagetto> it works but does not have hardware decoding. and i want to try  use mir display server to use android drivers
[07:59] <anpok__> so what happens if you instal hybris and the android graphics platform of mir?
[08:02] <Avagetto> I have not had time to install mir . decided to ask the experts is it possible?
[08:04] <Avagetto> or at this stage, mir can only work with a particular condition
[08:04] <Avagetto> ?
[08:08] <Avagetto> ok
[08:08] <Avagetto> sorry for english.
[08:08] <Avagetto> thx
[08:09] <anpok__> i doubt that it will work with a vanilla kernel
[08:18] <anpok__> Avagetto: best chances to get it woriking using the android drivers would be through: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[08:20] <anpok__> unless of course you have drm capable mali drivers that work with current linux kernels
[08:20] <Avagetto> i try to use.
[08:23] <Avagetto> what is drm?
[08:25] <anpok__> direct rendering manager.. a linux kernel framework and (partly) generic interface for dealing with graphics resources and rendering control and outputs
[08:27] <anpok__> Avagetto: mir has currently two hardware accelerated platforms for rendering - one that relies on the android hwc and (hopefully obselete) fb interfaces, and another one that uses drm.
[08:28] <anpok__> all open source drivers (apart from lima) usually integrate and use drm
[08:29] <anpok__> all the others.. have there own way into kernel space
[08:46] <Avagetto> ok.
[08:47] <Avagetto> thank you very much. I'm just a novice in this. I will try to understand this in more detail. Sorry for wasting your time.
[08:47] <anpok__> you have not
[08:47] <anpok__> just now wondering where to get one of these
[08:49] <Avagetto> ?
[08:50] <anpok__> i just saw a benchmark for rk3288 based board
[08:51] <anpok__> it seems to be quite powerful
[08:51] <Avagetto> yes it is wonderfull.
[08:52] <Avagetto> http://t-firefly.com/
[08:52] <Avagetto> i try use this board
[08:53] <Avagetto> http://www.t-firefly.com/
[09:04] <anpok__> Avagetto: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1409.3/01550.html
[09:04] <anpok__> there is a not yet merged drm driver..
[09:05] <anpok__> so if they ship user space drivers too, you might have a good chance to run mir without the android parts
[09:06] <anpok__> if thats not the case you would only have kms-swrast runable
[09:13] <Avagetto> i found this
[09:13] <Avagetto> http://malideveloper.arm.com/downloads/drivers/TX011/r4p1-00rel0/TX011-SW-99002-r4p1-00rel0.tgz
[09:14] <Avagetto> this can help me?
[09:17] <anpok__> driver looks good, at first sight prime support, page flipping... is available
[09:20] <anpok__> but those are only the kernel parts.. are there user space drivers available too? and in which form?
[09:20] <Avagetto> no . i not see user space drivers=(
[09:21] <anpok__> https://github.com/linux-sunxi/sunxi-mali.git those seem to be older ones.. and that would only allow mir to run as a server
[09:21] <Avagetto> on android  we have ko
[09:22] <anpok__> to get mir clients run on top of that you need a to either hook into the egl implementation in some way or have an open source egl implementation
[09:52] <Avagetto> in android i have only bin (user space driver), if i not wrong he work as module of kernel
[09:52] <Avagetto> on linux - nothing
[09:54] <anpok__> then better go with ubuntu-touch porting for now
[09:56] <Avagetto> ok. are you ubuntu devoloper?
[09:56] <anpok__> yes working on mir - but usually dealing withe mesa/drm
[09:57] <anpok__> -e
[09:59] <Avagetto> I guess that's fine, interence to work for this company=)
[18:17] <lex_> hello there
[18:18] <lex_> anyone from the devs here?
[18:20] <anpok> yes
[18:20] <anpok> there are some around
[18:32] <lex_> alright then
[18:33] <lex_> question to mir, license and ubuntu development in general
[18:33] <lex_> i am a former user of ubuntu
[18:33] <lex_> i was quite happy for some time
[18:33] <lex_> then later moved to different os and now thinking about coming back
[18:33] <lex_> BUT there are some things which hinder me:
[18:34] <lex_> 1. Why does canonical lately not contribute so much in community projects? > mir > upstart
[18:34] <lex_> 2. why does mir have such strange license. the critics i read where about restrict contributed code, making a business out of it etc.
[18:35] <lex_> 3. why are ubuntu versions sometimes developed behind close doors? im not saying that the code is not free after all, but the development takes place behind doors sometimes.
[18:36] <lex_> these are things which are somehow bothering me and i would be happy to get some info and i am more than happy to be proven wrong with my opinions/feelings
[18:37] <anpok> lex_: 1) thats a very general complaint. on what do you base that on? canonical employee are contributing to a lot of projects.. submitting patches and play by the rules of the project involved..
[18:37] <anpok> or is that rather a complain that software developers develop software?
[18:38] <anpok> % typos..
[18:39] <anpok> 2. i guess you dont mean gpl and lgpl?
[18:39] <anpok> back then when I worked for a closed source company we also disliked gpl software..
[18:42] <anpok> 3. in case of mir... most discussions happen inside MPs on launchpad.. some of those discussion leak into IRC here..
[18:46] <lex_> 1. well i was just reading some news sites and wikipedia etc. and was just wondering what the actually facts are
[18:47] <lex_> 2. yes, thats what i mean. what are you trying to say when talking about disliking gpl in closed source company?
[18:47] <lex_> canoncial is not supposed to be one, is it?
[18:50] <anpok> 2. no it is not.. and will not .. the source is out there. I just wanted to state that I can understand that complaint that gpl is stopping you if you are working on closed source software and you want to integrate gpl
[18:50] <anpok> s/gpl/that project
[18:51] <lex_> hmmm
[18:51] <lex_> aight
[18:51] <lex_> unlike upstart, mir will probably stay, right? together with unity 8
[18:51] <lex_> are there any plans of dropping it?
[18:56] <anpok> why should there be any?
[19:01] <lex_> dont know
[19:01] <lex_> just askilng
[19:01] <lex_> i dont want to get back to a distro which will change a lot in the next 6 to 12 years, you know
[19:01] <lex_> i want something stable, but 14.04 will do it i guess
[19:01] <lex_> anyway ima try it
[19:01] <anpok> why do you dislike changes?
[19:01] <lex_> thx for the info
[19:22] <lex_> I do not
[19:22] <lex_> I like unity in general
[19:22] <lex_> I like ubuntu overall design
[19:22] <lex_> I like many features
[19:22] <lex_> I like a lot about it
[19:23] <lex_> but I think its just strange that even distros like Xubuntu / Kubuntu / Lubuntu sort of turn their backs on Ubuntu
[19:23] <lex_> maybe its the childish community
[19:23] <lex_> or the direction Ubuntu is heading to
[19:23] <lex_> i dont know
[19:23] <lex_> however i am going to give them a try
[19:23] <lex_> havent in quite some time