=== chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [07:36] hi [07:43] Anybody can help me, and answer on my stupid questuions?) [07:44] for example mir was work on arm board with mali t-760 gpu and rk3298 soc [07:46] whether to work with hardware decoding and 3D acceleration? [07:56] i think we havent had a phone or tablet yet that used t760.. s [07:56] so it might just work .. or fail. [07:57] i have board., android sdk . and was able to install ubuntu on it [07:58] it works but does not have hardware decoding. and i want to try use mir display server to use android drivers [07:59] so what happens if you instal hybris and the android graphics platform of mir? [08:02] I have not had time to install mir . decided to ask the experts is it possible? [08:04] or at this stage, mir can only work with a particular condition [08:04] ? [08:08] ok [08:08] sorry for english. [08:08] thx [08:09] i doubt that it will work with a vanilla kernel [08:18] Avagetto: best chances to get it woriking using the android drivers would be through: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting [08:20] unless of course you have drm capable mali drivers that work with current linux kernels [08:20] i try to use. [08:23] what is drm? [08:25] direct rendering manager.. a linux kernel framework and (partly) generic interface for dealing with graphics resources and rendering control and outputs [08:27] Avagetto: mir has currently two hardware accelerated platforms for rendering - one that relies on the android hwc and (hopefully obselete) fb interfaces, and another one that uses drm. [08:28] all open source drivers (apart from lima) usually integrate and use drm [08:29] all the others.. have there own way into kernel space === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [08:46] ok. [08:47] thank you very much. I'm just a novice in this. I will try to understand this in more detail. Sorry for wasting your time. [08:47] you have not [08:47] just now wondering where to get one of these [08:49] ? [08:50] i just saw a benchmark for rk3288 based board [08:51] it seems to be quite powerful [08:51] yes it is wonderfull. [08:52] http://t-firefly.com/ [08:52] i try use this board [08:53] http://www.t-firefly.com/ [09:04] Avagetto: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1409.3/01550.html [09:04] there is a not yet merged drm driver.. [09:05] so if they ship user space drivers too, you might have a good chance to run mir without the android parts [09:06] if thats not the case you would only have kms-swrast runable [09:13] i found this [09:13] http://malideveloper.arm.com/downloads/drivers/TX011/r4p1-00rel0/TX011-SW-99002-r4p1-00rel0.tgz [09:14] this can help me? [09:17] driver looks good, at first sight prime support, page flipping... is available [09:20] but those are only the kernel parts.. are there user space drivers available too? and in which form? [09:20] no . i not see user space drivers=( [09:21] https://github.com/linux-sunxi/sunxi-mali.git those seem to be older ones.. and that would only allow mir to run as a server [09:21] on android we have ko [09:22] to get mir clients run on top of that you need a to either hook into the egl implementation in some way or have an open source egl implementation [09:52] in android i have only bin (user space driver), if i not wrong he work as module of kernel [09:52] on linux - nothing [09:54] then better go with ubuntu-touch porting for now [09:56] ok. are you ubuntu devoloper? [09:56] yes working on mir - but usually dealing withe mesa/drm [09:57] -e [09:59] I guess that's fine, interence to work for this company=) === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === mpt_ is now known as mpt === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === tedg is now known as ted === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === dandrader_ is now known as dandrader === dandrader is now known as dandrader|lunch === dandrader_ is now known as dandrader === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [18:17] hello there [18:18] anyone from the devs here? [18:20] yes [18:20] there are some around [18:32] alright then [18:33] question to mir, license and ubuntu development in general [18:33] i am a former user of ubuntu [18:33] i was quite happy for some time [18:33] then later moved to different os and now thinking about coming back [18:33] BUT there are some things which hinder me: [18:34] 1. Why does canonical lately not contribute so much in community projects? > mir > upstart [18:34] 2. why does mir have such strange license. the critics i read where about restrict contributed code, making a business out of it etc. [18:35] 3. why are ubuntu versions sometimes developed behind close doors? im not saying that the code is not free after all, but the development takes place behind doors sometimes. [18:36] these are things which are somehow bothering me and i would be happy to get some info and i am more than happy to be proven wrong with my opinions/feelings [18:37] lex_: 1) thats a very general complaint. on what do you base that on? canonical employee are contributing to a lot of projects.. submitting patches and play by the rules of the project involved.. [18:37] or is that rather a complain that software developers develop software? [18:38] % typos.. [18:39] 2. i guess you dont mean gpl and lgpl? [18:39] back then when I worked for a closed source company we also disliked gpl software.. [18:42] 3. in case of mir... most discussions happen inside MPs on launchpad.. some of those discussion leak into IRC here.. [18:46] 1. well i was just reading some news sites and wikipedia etc. and was just wondering what the actually facts are [18:47] 2. yes, thats what i mean. what are you trying to say when talking about disliking gpl in closed source company? [18:47] canoncial is not supposed to be one, is it? [18:50] 2. no it is not.. and will not .. the source is out there. I just wanted to state that I can understand that complaint that gpl is stopping you if you are working on closed source software and you want to integrate gpl [18:50] s/gpl/that project [18:51] hmmm [18:51] aight [18:51] unlike upstart, mir will probably stay, right? together with unity 8 [18:51] are there any plans of dropping it? [18:56] why should there be any? [19:01] dont know [19:01] just askilng [19:01] i dont want to get back to a distro which will change a lot in the next 6 to 12 years, you know [19:01] i want something stable, but 14.04 will do it i guess [19:01] anyway ima try it [19:01] why do you dislike changes? [19:01] thx for the info === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [19:22] I do not [19:22] I like unity in general [19:22] I like ubuntu overall design [19:22] I like many features [19:22] I like a lot about it [19:23] but I think its just strange that even distros like Xubuntu / Kubuntu / Lubuntu sort of turn their backs on Ubuntu [19:23] maybe its the childish community [19:23] or the direction Ubuntu is heading to [19:23] i dont know [19:23] however i am going to give them a try [19:23] havent in quite some time