[14:50] <teward> I believe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1374754 is more relevant to the quality team than bugsquad.  (was posted in -bugs)
[14:54] <knome> looks like a dupe of 1371651
[14:54] <knome> bug 1371651
[14:54] <knome> oh wait, no
[14:54]  * knome reads the bug
[15:25]  * Guest13468 looks
[16:05] <elopio> ubuntu-qa: can I get a review here, please? https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/gallery-app/qmltests1/+merge/235390
[16:07] <robotfuel> elopio: I will
[16:07] <elopio> robotfuel: thanks.
[16:21] <elfy> doesn't look to me like the fix for the vm fail to boot sitting in proposed works
[16:33] <balloons_> elfy, I thought there was a second fix?
[17:07] <elfy> balloons_: maybe - no real idea - just picking up on bug comments
[17:07] <elfy> and there's MP waiting for you - and some comments on testcase bugs :)
[17:33] <balloons_> :-)
[19:05] <Letozaf_> balloons_, hello :-)
[19:06] <balloons_> Letozaf_, howdy
[19:06] <elfy> balloons_: perhaps talk to wxl about that lx testcase
[19:06] <Letozaf_> balloons_, howzit ?
[19:07] <balloons_> elfy, ahh indeed, we should add him as a reviwer
[19:07] <elfy> yep
[19:07] <balloons_> Letozaf_, not bad
[19:07] <elfy> evening Letozaf_
[19:07] <wxl> balloons_: elfy: which what?
[19:08] <Letozaf_> elfy, good evening :-)
[19:08] <elfy> wxl: you're testcases - you should be fixing them :p
[19:08] <balloons_> elfy, LOL.. your
[19:08] <balloons_> knome, it finally happened ^^
[19:09] <elfy> LMAO balloons_  - you are pointing put typos to me - I've just given up bothering to tell you :)
[19:11] <balloons_> elfy, lol, still, amazing
[19:11] <balloons_> wxl, https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1374599/+merge/236222
[19:13] <elfy> balloons_: heh
[19:13] <elfy> not sure why it amazes you given my refusal to use much in the way of punctuation or grammar on IRC :)
[19:14] <wxl> elfy: well i'm not a member of testcases if that helps!
[19:17] <elfy> wxl you should remedy that perhaps :)
[19:21] <wxl> well god i used to be
[19:22] <wxl> admittedly i don't see the value in testing mem usage
[19:22] <wxl> especially top
[19:22] <wxl> does anyone else do that???
[19:22] <elfy> xubuntu doesn't
[19:23] <wxl> does ubuntu?
[19:23] <wxl> or kubuntu?
[19:23] <wxl> we often copy stuff from other teams assuming that they know what they're doing XD
[19:23] <elfy> whether it's not so much testing mem or testing that something works in the app or not I've no idea
[19:23] <wxl> balloons_: could you add me to testcase admins?
[19:24] <balloons_> wxl, certainly!
[19:24] <wxl> elfy: yeah, that's the lxtask step which makes some degree of sense. we should be testing OUR apps, because they're unique. seems like a lame test, but if you want to be complete... on the other hand, testing top is Dumb (TM)
[19:24] <gQuigs> g2run, not sure of context.. but memory testing can be useful sometimes- https://bryanquigley.com/uncategorized/ubuntu-14-04-livecd-memory-usage-compared
[19:26] <wxl> i'll just repeat all this on the comments :)
[19:26] <elfy> well ...
[19:27] <elfy> I'd much rather you do an MP for what *you* want to see in your test and then I'll review that ;)
[19:27] <wxl> probably siiiiiigh
[19:27] <elfy> only reason I do these things is that no-one else appears to do them
[19:28] <balloons_> wxl, you should be a member now
[19:30] <wxl> ok, got some bad news, though
[19:30] <wxl> i don't necessarily know the procedure for making an MP, elfy. fill me in briefly and i'll make it happen
[19:31] <wxl> balloons_: thanks
[19:31] <elfy> balloons_: this should be fun :p
[19:31] <wxl> hahahah
[19:31] <wxl> don't worry, i know how to turn my computer on
[19:31] <wxl> and i understand version control :)
[19:31] <elfy> wxl: you don't know how much I hassled balloons_ 2 years ago lol
[19:32] <wxl> elfy: well then you are well equipped to mentor me XD
[19:32] <elfy> anyway - bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual-tests
[19:32] <elfy> will get you the branch
[19:32] <elfy> do whatever you need to do to the testcase
[19:32] <elfy> then bzr commit
[19:32] <wxl> and push it and that's it?
[19:33] <elfy> put whatever you want in the commit comment
[19:33] <elfy> then push it - then link a bug - then set it for review on lp
[19:33] <balloons_> well now, please use the review system :-)
[19:33] <balloons_> anything placed in trunk should then be merged to the tracker and there is a tool for that
[19:33] <wxl> those latter two items (linking, setting for review) is all through lp elfy ?
[19:34] <balloons_> elfy, or I can cover it when you get that far
[19:34] <elfy> wxl: yep
[19:34] <wxl> okie should be easy
[19:34] <wxl> i'll double check with you in a sec
[19:34] <elfy> balloons_: review system?
[19:34] <balloons_> wxl, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/
[19:34] <wxl> oooh wiki amazing
[19:34] <wxl> thx balloons_
[19:34] <balloons_> elfy, I meant, don't push straight to trunk
[19:34] <elfy> oic yea
[19:35] <elfy> wxl: I tend to push locally and have a branch with a bug number
[19:35] <elfy> https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1374599
[19:36] <elfy> for instance - number being the bug number - other people do it other ways - but I confuse myself enough without making it worse
[19:38] <wxl> oh.
[19:38] <wxl> ic.
[19:38] <wxl> it's asking to compare what lxtask is reporting to what the system is reporting via top.
[19:38] <wxl> i guess that makes sense
[19:39] <elfy> wxl: I push to bzr push lp:~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/foo for manual tests
[19:39] <wxl> so i'm saying we leave it alone.
[19:39] <wxl> meaning
[19:39] <wxl> accept your changes
[19:40] <elfy> wxl: ok - well you can approve in the mp then :)
[19:40] <wxl> i'm about to approve it unless anyone else wants to complain at me :)
[19:40] <elfy> nope
[19:41] <elfy> balloons_: and I've never worked out how to use the tool - always do it manually :p
[19:41] <wxl> i'd rather do it manual anyways
[19:41] <wxl> then you know what you're doing :)
[19:41] <elfy> wxl: I think the tool is for the merging to trunk
[19:41] <wxl> ah
[19:42] <wxl> that seems like it takes less steps on the other hand :)
[19:43] <wxl> approved
[19:44] <wxl> elfy: keep it up. if i see another i'll promptly review. :) and maybe some day when i have time i'll review our other packages :/
[19:48] <elfy> wxl: now I know you're about I'll add you to reviews I want you to do - but now I know you're about it's likely that I'll not do lubuntu ones anymore ;)
[19:49] <wxl> elfy: don't need to add me as i'll pay attention as long as ubuntu testcase admins gets the notifications. as far as lubuntu is concerned, if you see one, just let me know.
[19:51] <wxl> why are you always the lone wolf, elfy? this lightdm/plymouth issue has been quite the adventure ;)
[19:51] <balloons_> thanks wxl and elfy
[19:51] <wxl> np balloons_
[19:55] <elfy> ok - that's merged and synced now
[19:55] <elfy> balloons_: just the https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1374059/+merge/236015 one left now
[19:56] <elfy> waiting for info on a couple of other testcase bugs
[19:56] <elfy> wxl: yea - that plymouth thing ...
[20:00] <balloons_> elfy, ohh right.. brillant,
[20:01] <wxl> elfy: i've been playing with a ppc64 box i just got and i had the weirdest thing happen the other day: boots to lightdm and then goes blank on login. i wasn't about to comment until i could repeat it tho. didn't want to freak everyone out ;)
[20:03] <elfy> heh
[20:03] <wxl> besides ppc has other issues :/
[20:03] <elfy> vbox has been a bit of a pita this cycle - couple of can't boot issues happened
[20:04] <elfy> yea - how much longer do you think that you'll have the manpower to keep dealing with it
[20:04] <wxl> pffht i don't have the manpower
[20:04] <elfy> :)
[20:04] <wxl> every cycle it's a matter of shaking up the users and getting them to quit complaining and start making a difference
[20:05] <wxl> i did find one guy that seems really pumped to help
[20:05] <wxl> i'm giving him a g3 and a g4
[20:05] <wxl> that will help quite a bit
[20:05] <elfy> well for sure I'd not be writing anything like http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-14-04-qa-recap/ at the end of this cycle
[20:06] <wxl> my problem is i have time to do sort of high level managing tasks but i don't have a lot of time for hardcore testing and chasing down problems to their root
[20:06] <wxl> so trying really hard to build up a really good team
[20:06] <elfy> I manage to do both
[20:07] <elfy> just
[20:08] <wxl> i'd like to say i can. i try to fit in a couple tests where i can, but it's not as easy as it used to be. family life and all :(
[20:08] <elfy> I know what you mean - last cycle I had more testing one milestone than I've had for the whole of this one
[20:08] <wxl> hahahah
[20:08] <elfy> and yea - when you volunteer - other things happen
[20:08] <wxl> well gone are the days where i stayed up all night testing everything that needed it
[20:09] <elfy> :)
[20:09] <wxl> but i'm generally pretty good at team building, so i think it will all work out
[20:10] <wxl> the thing that's weird is ppc users almost are always technically lazy. so building them up to be good testers is an uphill battle :)
[20:10] <elfy> when it comes to the milestones - we appear to have lost a day - last cycle things were out and released for testing on mondays - now it's monday night if we're lucky if not I see it tuesday morning
[20:10] <wxl> but solving our problem with booting this last release was a major win. they got to see bug reports turn into a solution.
[20:10] <wxl> yeah i'm in the same boat with you on that one!
[20:10] <elfy> always good to see bugs turn into wins :)
[20:11] <wxl> especially when you have a community supported architecture. they begin to believe they're unimportant!
[20:11] <elfy> balloons_: thanks :)
[20:12] <elfy> what I've been pleased with (even if they are bugs) was that these biggish ones I've found this cycle got ubuntu too - hence they looked :)
[20:12] <elfy> you'd not believe the disinterest we got when we got an ibus issue last cycle - we just ended up not seeding it
[20:12] <wxl> dude ibus devs omg
[20:13] <wxl> i've gone to their channel like 5 times trying to get them to at least comment
[20:13] <wxl> nothing
[20:13] <elfy> I use symbols in password - like #
[20:13] <elfy> try using that when ibus thinks you've got a US keyboard :p and you've not ;)
[20:14] <wxl> hahahahah
[20:14] <wxl> i'm a unicode nut so e.g. in kubuntu ibus is very nice
[20:14] <wxl> but it has so many problems, i won't touch it with a 10 foot pole
[20:14] <wxl> unfortunately scim isn't *easily* a drop in replacement. you can't just tell folks to unstall scim and call it a day.
[20:15] <wxl> so this may be a stupid question, but i have never been shown a way to get reports of daily testing. is there an option to do so?
[20:16] <elfy> nope
[20:16] <wxl> bummmmmer
[20:16] <elfy> and trying to get history is a nightmare
[20:16] <wxl> what package do i file a bug against? XD
[20:16] <elfy> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+filebug
[20:16] <elfy> file it
[20:17] <wxl> tee hee
[20:17] <elfy> we've got some other - this'll make it better bugs filed already
[20:17] <elfy> wxl: seriously - file it :)
[20:17] <wxl> oh that was a mischevious giggle. it's happening elfy :)
[20:17] <elfy> oh good :)
[20:17] <elfy> I'll confirm it
[20:20] <elfy> balloons_: ok - merged and synced
[20:26] <wxl> elfy: confirmed and subscribed to yours and here's mine https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1375456
[20:28] <wxl> better description https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1375456
[20:29] <elfy> commented and me too'd it
[20:29] <wxl> danke :)
[20:29] <elfy> welcome :)
[20:30] <elfy> the newest 3 bugs (excluding your one) were ones that pleia2 knome and I thrashed out a short while ago