| === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi | ||
| Myrtti | morn | 06:06 |
|---|---|---|
| Myrtti | we was thinking about Friday | 06:08 |
| Myrtti | would anyone be interested in a friendly boardgames moment instead of hitting the drink? | 06:09 |
| Myrtti | we can bring a few games over. | 06:10 |
| Myrtti | Tsuro and maybe Nuns on the Run, even though dsample thinks latter might be too complicated | 06:12 |
| czajkowski | Myrtti: ohhh you at Oggcamp ? | 07:30 |
| diplo | Morning all | 07:57 |
| === msm is now known as Guest30224 | ||
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy International Coffee Day! :-D | 08:30 |
| foobarry | compiling bash from source for suse 10.1 :S | 08:34 |
| JamesTait | I remember having to compile stuff from source. I was using Slackware when I started, but it couldn't be called Slackware after a while, I'd recompiled pretty much everything. | 08:38 |
| popey | Morning all. | 08:38 |
| directhex | cancelled my orange contract \o/ | 08:39 |
| foobarry | going giffgaff? | 08:40 |
| directhex | three. | 08:41 |
| Myrtti | czajkowski: yup | 08:41 |
| popey | Myrtti: I'd be up for some games. I have "Cards agsinst Humanity" and "We didn't playtest this at all" which are both fun | 08:42 |
| Myrtti | werewolf might be nice too, I've never played it. We were thinking of what games we'd want to have at the wedding last night and werewolf came to mind. | 08:43 |
| Myrtti | that and obviously boardgames | 08:43 |
| foobarry | this game is fun http://www.amazon.co.uk/Saboteur-Path-Laying-Card-Game/dp/B000IQC4N2/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1411980286&sr=8-8&keywords=saboteur | 08:45 |
| directhex | rent a Guitar Hero rig! | 08:47 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 08:56 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| foobarry | i don't think there's a single person in teh office who isn't sick atm | 09:06 |
| brobostigon | :( | 09:07 |
| popey | sam is off sick today | 09:11 |
| popey | benefit of working from home, can look after them | 09:11 |
| directhex | i can't parent and work at the same time | 09:22 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| popey | sam is 8 | 09:40 |
| popey | he's mostly self sufficient | 09:40 |
| foobarry | my boy has started calling playing on the tablet "tablet skills" | 09:41 |
| foobarry | in an attempt to make it sound more educational | 09:41 |
| === jdc___ is now known as jdca | ||
| popey | hah | 09:41 |
| foobarry | this is the effect of attending school for one whole week | 09:41 |
| christel | haha | 09:48 |
| JamesTait | foobarry, is it "skills", though, or "skillz"? :-P | 09:53 |
| MartijnVdS | sk1llz | 09:54 |
| JamesTait | I feel there should be an eleven in there. | 09:54 |
| MartijnVdS | sk111z? | 09:54 |
| MartijnVdS | sk!11z! | 09:54 |
| JamesTait | \o/ | 09:54 |
| JamesTait | Man, that looks sick! | 09:55 |
| JamesTait | *ahem* | 09:55 |
| JamesTait | Sorry. | 09:55 |
| MartijnVdS | I wonder what is asking for my password *after* login. Twice. | 09:55 |
| MartijnVdS | because it takes some kind of lock on input devices? and I think it's confusing compiz | 09:56 |
| foobarry | he's 4 so skills hopefully | 10:04 |
| dutchie | re oggcamp board games: there is a v good board game cafe in ox (Myrtti popey czajkowski) | 10:14 |
| dutchie | called thirsty meeples | 10:15 |
| Myrtti | reviews are a bit mixed atleast on Google | 10:17 |
| dutchie | i've not been myself but loads of friends have | 10:17 |
| Myrtti | anyway, either way we're game(!) - we've got plenty of games we can bring so staying at the Oxford isn't impossible either if people prefer that way | 10:19 |
| Myrtti | apropos something, where do people buy their laserjet cartridges for home printers? | 10:25 |
| foobarry | amazon marketplace | 10:26 |
| foobarry | cheap copies | 10:26 |
| foobarry | or ebay | 10:26 |
| foobarry | need to root my moto g. adverts are everywhere on my phone | 10:59 |
| zmoylan-pi | wait till you get a smart watch :-) | 11:01 |
| * brobostigon hugs his pebble. | 11:01 | |
| foobarry | stroke pebble surely? | 11:03 |
| Laney | skim it | 11:03 |
| foobarry | after rooting you can't get OTA updates ? | 11:04 |
| foobarry | meh | 11:04 |
| foobarry | unlocking bootlader requires wiping the device?? | 11:05 |
| foobarry | meh^2 | 11:05 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| brobostigon | unlocking doesnt require wiping the device, unlocking DOES wipe the device. | 11:06 |
| zmoylan-pi | probably best that way, a nicked device gets wiped as they unlock it | 11:06 |
| brobostigon | it doesnt strickly wipe the device either, its just resets everything back to factory state. | 11:07 |
| foobarry | are there any adblockers that don't require root? | 11:08 |
| ali1234 | yeah, adblock+ | 11:08 |
| foobarry | i tried that and it failed to work at all | 11:08 |
| ali1234 | then you didn't read the installation instructions | 11:08 |
| ali1234 | you don't just install it | 11:08 |
| ali1234 | you have to set it up as well | 11:09 |
| ali1234 | it operates as a proxy | 11:09 |
| ali1234 | so you have to configure android to use it | 11:09 |
| foobarry | ah thanks, | 11:10 |
| * brobostigon is watching george osborne patting himself on the back, for being an idiot. | 11:10 | |
| foobarry | ali1234: assume it works for all apps? | 11:11 |
| foobarry | (if you are using it) | 11:11 |
| ali1234 | it works for all apps that use a proxy | 11:11 |
| ali1234 | which is most apps | 11:11 |
| ali1234 | all browsers obviously | 11:12 |
| * awilkins got a provider-less MotoG for the offspring | 11:13 | |
| awilkins | No ads! | 11:13 |
| awilkins | Huzzah | 11:13 |
| foobarry | no ads? | 11:14 |
| awilkins | On the no-provider one, yes | 11:14 |
| awilkins | Paid £130 for it (1st gen) | 11:14 |
| foobarry | what ads are you thinking of? | 11:14 |
| * brobostigon walks up to the tv and pretends to poke osborne up his nose. | 11:14 | |
| zmoylan-pi | it's a bit feckin sad when you have to run adblock on a phone | 11:14 |
| awilkins | Well, no inbuilt ads | 11:14 |
| foobarry | i am thinking of ads in browser and in apps like plume | 11:14 |
| brobostigon | yes, i have the 4g version of the 1st gen model, with cm11. | 11:14 |
| awilkins | Ads in apps that depend on ads for revenue, I expect so | 11:14 |
| awilkins | TBH if you don't like ads in ad-supported apps... use another app. | 11:15 |
| awilkins | The app landscape makes me uneasy these days | 11:15 |
| awilkins | I find it hard to trust apps, particularly the ones that ask for a smorgasbord of permissions | 11:16 |
| awilkins | I liked my N900 better because I knew most of the apps were FOSS | 11:16 |
| foobarry | awilkins: paid £90 | 11:16 |
| awilkins | The official Twitter app crossed the line of "creepy" fairly recently | 11:16 |
| zmoylan-pi | at least with symbian i could deny an access to certain things always or ask every time. and that was in 2005 | 11:17 |
| ali1234 | i treat my tablet as entirely compromised and i don't install apps on my phone | 11:17 |
| foobarry | wow | 11:17 |
| awilkins | Yeah, I feel like that | 11:18 |
| zmoylan-pi | i gave up smartphones to get a feature phone a nokia asha 201 and keep a 7" tablet mostly for playing media | 11:18 |
| awilkins | I don't let the offspring install apps on her phone until she can justify to me each permission it wants | 11:18 |
| directhex | i cancelled my contract earlier today, i have 30 days to get a replacement | 11:19 |
| awilkins | I like GiffGaff, but YMMV | 11:20 |
| foobarry | android has multi user accounts now | 11:20 |
| foobarry | i allow restricted apps for my son | 11:20 |
| * zmoylan-pi in ireland uses tescos for phone, last of the prepay services | 11:20 | |
| awilkins | Is Ireland going all 1984 about phone prepay service? | 11:21 |
| zmoylan-pi | all the rest have moved to 'rolling contracts' so your credit disappears if not used | 11:21 |
| awilkins | Ew. | 11:21 |
| zmoylan-pi | after 15-30 days | 11:21 |
| zmoylan-pi | whereas i have made €5 of credit last 6 months :-) | 11:21 |
| zmoylan-pi | i'm sure as buggery not spending €5 ever 2 weeks | 11:22 |
| zmoylan-pi | it's the phone companies compensating after eu made them reduce roaming charges i'm guessing | 11:25 |
| directhex | awilkins: three is my only option. | 11:26 |
| foobarry | does anyone encrypt their android? | 11:26 |
| directhex | foobarry: windows phone 8 has a nice 2-user implementation for kids. the lock screen can be swiped onto "kids' corner" which has a different PIN, and only pre-selected apps are usable | 11:26 |
| zmoylan-pi | i don't put anything on it i wouldn't use on public terminal | 11:27 |
| foobarry | tinfoil hats ahoy | 11:29 |
| directhex | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0TEJMJOhk ? | 11:30 |
| foobarry | ali1234: seems i have to configuire proxy for every wifi network i connect to | 11:34 |
| ali1234 | probably | 11:34 |
| foobarry | wonder how much this slows down the phone/eats battery | 11:34 |
| ali1234 | somewhat | 11:34 |
| ali1234 | root your phone then? | 11:34 |
| foobarry | looks likely | 11:35 |
| foobarry | this is really slow | 11:36 |
| popey | foobarry: android doesn't do multi-user very well. | 11:37 |
| popey | at xda dev con over the weekend I played with some 'new' high end phones. oppo and one plus were nice, but huge | 11:38 |
| foobarry | popey: for my use case, it seems ok, which is "make a 4yr old rstricted apps mode" | 11:38 |
| ali1234 | why is gstreamer so bad? | 11:39 |
| Myrtti | is there an English word for metal items that don't become magnetised? I assume that's the metal detection technology used at airports | 11:39 |
| awilkins | ferrous | 11:39 |
| foobarry | nonferrous metal | 11:39 |
| awilkins | Oh, the opposite of that | 11:39 |
| awilkins | nonferrous | 11:39 |
| ali1234 | metal detectors use radio waves | 11:39 |
| awilkins | That will detect even nonferrous metals I think | 11:40 |
| awilkins | Should detect anything conductive | 11:40 |
| awilkins | Maybe a cloak lined with graphene would shield you ... | 11:40 |
| Myrtti | why doesn't it pick engagement rings and such, then? | 11:41 |
| Myrtti | or is there a critical mass for those | 11:41 |
| MartijnVdS | depends on the sensitivity of the sensor? | 11:41 |
| ali1234 | as i understand it the metal detector is a tuned antenna receiving a fixed frequency signal. the presence of a conductor within the detctor changes the natural frequency of the system, "detuning it" and setting off the detector | 11:42 |
| Myrtti | right | 11:45 |
| Myrtti | so I've got it like this now in the packing list, then | 11:45 |
| Myrtti | Jewellery, watches etc. you plan to wear \footnote{Place your watch and other non-essential jewellery into your coat pocket before the airport security check} | 11:45 |
| MartijnVdS | Are you writing a "My first flight" HOWTO? | 11:47 |
| awilkins | Probably a document worth updating | 11:49 |
| awilkins | My first flight was sometime in the upswing curve of paranoia | 11:49 |
| awilkins | But I think it's swung a lot higher since then | 11:49 |
| Myrtti | MartijnVdS: some people probably haven't flown that much, some have. | 11:50 |
| Myrtti | MartijnVdS: it's just that me and dsample have flown so much in comparison to those who have flown a little. | 11:50 |
| Myrtti | there's some tips and tricks that you learn in that | 11:51 |
| Myrtti | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bh64fUnSjeaI8BerUdWkRkqhcULHawp5v-vX9LNRuB0/edit?usp=sharing | 11:51 |
| awilkins | Didn't fly until my 4th decade on earth. Have about 2 or 3 return flights under belt | 11:51 |
| awilkins | Not overly enthusiastic about adding to that number | 11:51 |
| awilkins | Enjoyed the little Brazilian turboprop more than the big gets | 11:51 |
| awilkins | jets | 11:52 |
| awilkins | Ooh, 'buntuFone is RTM | 11:54 |
| Myrtti | had to fiddle with LaTeX margins a bit because I forgot the printer has it's own numbers... | 11:54 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| diddledan | awilkins: rtm? nice | 12:34 |
| foobarry | i haven't flown in nearly 10 yrs | 12:35 |
| diddledan | I haven't flown | 12:36 |
| foobarry | diddledan: wins | 12:36 |
| diddledan | well I say haven't - I did when I was little and beyond my memory point | 12:36 |
| foobarry | or decision making | 12:36 |
| MartijnVdS | your memory event horizon? | 12:37 |
| foobarry | diddledan: are you based in the states? | 12:43 |
| diddledan | nope | 12:43 |
| foobarry | hmm.. one of the dans is | 12:44 |
| diddledan | I'm in amazingstoke | 12:44 |
| diddledan | or doughnut city | 12:44 |
| MartijnVdS | Basingstoke. One of the few English place names I know. Thanks, H2G2 | 12:45 |
| diddledan | :-) | 12:45 |
| foobarry | guildford, islington | 12:45 |
| MartijnVdS | foobarry: yes those too. Though Islington I also know from Neverwhere :) | 12:45 |
| foobarry | and fenchurch st station | 12:46 |
| MartijnVdS | yeah bot that one comes up waaay later | 12:47 |
| MartijnVdS | the Basingstoke roundabout is in the first episode of the radio thing :) | 12:47 |
| === lukea is now known as Guest25564 | ||
| === Guest25564 is now known as NET||abuse | ||
| brobostigon | anyone know of a way, to push something like a pushover message, to android, when a process and or service dies on my ubuntu/debian server? | 13:22 |
| ali1234 | email? | 13:24 |
| brobostigon | so i write alittle python script, that monitors said process, and calls something like ppine to send me an email, when said process is no longer running? | 13:25 |
| Azelphur | brobostigon: I MADE THIS FOR YOU https://github.com/azelphur/pyPushBullet | 13:25 |
| Azelphur | well I didn't really, but it suits your use case exactly. | 13:25 |
| ali1234 | hot cool aid reference? | 13:25 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: yes :P | 13:25 |
| brobostigon | thank you Azelphur | 13:25 |
| Azelphur | yw | 13:25 |
| ali1234 | you could also use nagios | 13:26 |
| ali1234 | if you can figure out how | 13:26 |
| Azelphur | brobostigon: not pushover but PushBullet which is similar (just free) and it's a python lib or command line tool | 13:26 |
| ali1234 | why is pushbullet better than sending an email? | 13:27 |
| brobostigon | Azelphur: i see, let me work out how to work with it. | 13:27 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: has nicer OS integration (you can push links and stuff) and you can do delivery/read confirmation and other such fun things | 13:28 |
| ali1234 | does it show incoming calls on linux desktop? | 13:28 |
| Azelphur | and you can trigger tasker actions from pushbullet too | 13:28 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: huh? | 13:28 |
| ali1234 | https://www.pushbullet.com/img/frontpage/mirror-calls.png | 13:28 |
| ali1234 | does that work on linux? | 13:28 |
| Azelphur | oh, that's cool, no it doesn't do that, however you could write something like that using my library and tasker. | 13:29 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: but there is stuff that does that already on Linux | 13:29 |
| ali1234 | yeah, for KDE | 13:29 |
| Azelphur | nope, for all platforms | 13:29 |
| ali1234 | i want to see an indicator message telling me who is calling me without having to go and get my phone | 13:29 |
| Azelphur | https://code.google.com/p/android-notifier/ | 13:29 |
| brobostigon | it seems, i had pushbullet already bookmarked in the play store. | 13:30 |
| Azelphur | brobostigon: yea, pushbullet is very nice API wise | 13:31 |
| brobostigon | Azelphur: cool, i must have looked at it before. it looks interesting, yes. | 13:32 |
| Azelphur | lemme know if you have any problems with it :) | 13:32 |
| brobostigon | i will, :) | 13:33 |
| Azelphur | brobostigon: if you have tasker it can trigger on pushbullet messages too, I have my phone ring rather than just play a notification tone on certain events | 13:34 |
| brobostigon | i do have tasker, yes. ah, cool. :) | 13:35 |
| foobarry | trying to call the council. i think they all went home | 15:13 |
| popey | 4pm, sounds plausible | 15:14 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| daftykins | that reminds me, i was going to call the gov. today | 16:22 |
| daftykins | the States of Guernsey that is (: | 16:22 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| diddledan | daftykins: do you have a white house on the island? :-p | 16:57 |
| diddledan | and does the queen live there? | 16:57 |
| daftykins | yes! | 16:58 |
| diddledan | \o/ | 16:58 |
| diddledan | speaking of the queen. I'm still waiting for the invite to an intimate candlelight supper with the queen. | 16:59 |
| daftykins | did you request one? | 17:00 |
| diddledan | someone of my stature doesn't stoop to such lows as requesting things. | 17:01 |
| daftykins | yay my bigv VPS is up to date | 17:02 |
| daftykins | just handled a post-wedding rename on a wordpress site also | 17:02 |
| diddledan | I'm working on a governmental communications platform update | 17:03 |
| diddledan | stupid shellshock | 17:04 |
| daftykins | :( | 17:05 |
| diddledan | whoever invented computer security should be shot | 17:05 |
| diddledan | :-p | 17:05 |
| daftykins | lol | 17:05 |
| daftykins | *insecurity | 17:05 |
| diddledan | nono, security. it's the keeping things secure that takes all the effort | 17:05 |
| diddledan | I'd much rather just let the haxx0rs at it and not care two hoots | 17:06 |
| diddledan | but that's not the "secure" way of working | 17:06 |
| daftykins | :D | 17:06 |
| daftykins | have you banished gentoo from whence it came, yet? | 17:06 |
| diddledan | some eejit sat in an office someplace decided that haxx0rs getting into our systems is inherently a bad idea and thus formed "information security practices" | 17:07 |
| diddledan | I wish | 17:07 |
| diddledan | it wouldn't be a problem if we weren't running gentoo :-p | 17:07 |
| diddledan | this channel's namesake has a funky "unattended upgrades" package which we can leave in the background and magically not care about patching ever again | 17:09 |
| daftykins | ;) | 17:11 |
| daftykins | bigcalm: it was yourself with an 840 EVO SSD, no? http://anandtech.com/show/8570/firmware-update-to-fix-the-samsung-ssd-840-evo-read-performance-bug-coming-on-october-15th | 17:33 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| diddledan | patchy bashy | 22:30 |
| diddledan | this is going to drag on | 22:30 |
| diddledan | and on | 22:30 |
| daftykins | diddledan: is there yet another one :( | 23:55 |
| diddledan | daftykins: haven't finished the first patch-cycle yet :-p | 23:56 |
| daftykins | oh of your org? | 23:56 |
| diddledan | yeah | 23:56 |
| diddledan | still got another 9 gentoo to go | 23:57 |
| daftykins | >_< | 23:58 |
| daftykins | is this down to how awkward it is to be able to fiddle? | 23:58 |
| diddledan | no, it's more down to the fact that the gentoo systems we run are woefully outdated | 23:59 |
| diddledan | they haven't been properly maintained | 23:59 |
| daftykins | is it not still a case of being able to just 'emerge bash' or whatever the gentoo speak is? | 23:59 |
| daftykins | or can it not change on its' own 0o | 23:59 |
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