=== zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [06:06] morn [06:08] we was thinking about Friday [06:09] would anyone be interested in a friendly boardgames moment instead of hitting the drink? [06:10] we can bring a few games over. [06:12] Tsuro and maybe Nuns on the Run, even though dsample thinks latter might be too complicated [07:30] Myrtti: ohhh you at Oggcamp ? [07:57] Morning all === msm is now known as Guest30224 [08:30] Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy International Coffee Day! :-D [08:34] compiling bash from source for suse 10.1 :S [08:38] I remember having to compile stuff from source. I was using Slackware when I started, but it couldn't be called Slackware after a while, I'd recompiled pretty much everything. [08:38] Morning all. [08:39] cancelled my orange contract \o/ [08:40] going giffgaff? [08:41] three. [08:41] czajkowski: yup [08:42] Myrtti: I'd be up for some games. I have "Cards agsinst Humanity" and "We didn't playtest this at all" which are both fun [08:43] werewolf might be nice too, I've never played it. We were thinking of what games we'd want to have at the wedding last night and werewolf came to mind. [08:43] that and obviously boardgames [08:45] this game is fun http://www.amazon.co.uk/Saboteur-Path-Laying-Card-Game/dp/B000IQC4N2/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1411980286&sr=8-8&keywords=saboteur [08:47] rent a Guitar Hero rig! [08:56] morning boys and girls. === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:06] i don't think there's a single person in teh office who isn't sick atm [09:07] :( [09:11] sam is off sick today [09:11] benefit of working from home, can look after them [09:22] i can't parent and work at the same time === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [09:40] sam is 8 [09:40] he's mostly self sufficient [09:41] my boy has started calling playing on the tablet "tablet skills" [09:41] in an attempt to make it sound more educational === jdc___ is now known as jdca [09:41] hah [09:41] this is the effect of attending school for one whole week [09:48] haha [09:53] foobarry, is it "skills", though, or "skillz"? :-P [09:54] sk1llz [09:54] I feel there should be an eleven in there. [09:54] sk111z? [09:54] sk!11z! [09:54] \o/ [09:55] Man, that looks sick! [09:55] *ahem* [09:55] Sorry. [09:55] I wonder what is asking for my password *after* login. Twice. [09:56] because it takes some kind of lock on input devices? and I think it's confusing compiz [10:04] he's 4 so skills hopefully [10:14] re oggcamp board games: there is a v good board game cafe in ox (Myrtti popey czajkowski) [10:15] called thirsty meeples [10:17] reviews are a bit mixed atleast on Google [10:17] i've not been myself but loads of friends have [10:19] anyway, either way we're game(!) - we've got plenty of games we can bring so staying at the Oxford isn't impossible either if people prefer that way [10:25] apropos something, where do people buy their laserjet cartridges for home printers? [10:26] amazon marketplace [10:26] cheap copies [10:26] or ebay [10:59] need to root my moto g. adverts are everywhere on my phone [11:01] wait till you get a smart watch :-) [11:01] * brobostigon hugs his pebble. [11:03] stroke pebble surely? [11:03] skim it [11:04] after rooting you can't get OTA updates ? [11:04] meh [11:05] unlocking bootlader requires wiping the device?? [11:05] meh^2 === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [11:06] unlocking doesnt require wiping the device, unlocking DOES wipe the device. [11:06] probably best that way, a nicked device gets wiped as they unlock it [11:07] it doesnt strickly wipe the device either, its just resets everything back to factory state. [11:08] are there any adblockers that don't require root? [11:08] yeah, adblock+ [11:08] i tried that and it failed to work at all [11:08] then you didn't read the installation instructions [11:08] you don't just install it [11:09] you have to set it up as well [11:09] it operates as a proxy [11:09] so you have to configure android to use it [11:10] ah thanks, [11:10] * brobostigon is watching george osborne patting himself on the back, for being an idiot. [11:11] ali1234: assume it works for all apps? [11:11] (if you are using it) [11:11] it works for all apps that use a proxy [11:11] which is most apps [11:12] all browsers obviously [11:13] * awilkins got a provider-less MotoG for the offspring [11:13] No ads! [11:13] Huzzah [11:14] no ads? [11:14] On the no-provider one, yes [11:14] Paid £130 for it (1st gen) [11:14] what ads are you thinking of? [11:14] * brobostigon walks up to the tv and pretends to poke osborne up his nose. [11:14] it's a bit feckin sad when you have to run adblock on a phone [11:14] Well, no inbuilt ads [11:14] i am thinking of ads in browser and in apps like plume [11:14] yes, i have the 4g version of the 1st gen model, with cm11. [11:14] Ads in apps that depend on ads for revenue, I expect so [11:15] TBH if you don't like ads in ad-supported apps... use another app. [11:15] The app landscape makes me uneasy these days [11:16] I find it hard to trust apps, particularly the ones that ask for a smorgasbord of permissions [11:16] I liked my N900 better because I knew most of the apps were FOSS [11:16] awilkins: paid £90 [11:16] The official Twitter app crossed the line of "creepy" fairly recently [11:17] at least with symbian i could deny an access to certain things always or ask every time. and that was in 2005 [11:17] i treat my tablet as entirely compromised and i don't install apps on my phone [11:17] wow [11:18] Yeah, I feel like that [11:18] i gave up smartphones to get a feature phone a nokia asha 201 and keep a 7" tablet mostly for playing media [11:18] I don't let the offspring install apps on her phone until she can justify to me each permission it wants [11:19] i cancelled my contract earlier today, i have 30 days to get a replacement [11:20] I like GiffGaff, but YMMV [11:20] android has multi user accounts now [11:20] i allow restricted apps for my son [11:20] * zmoylan-pi in ireland uses tescos for phone, last of the prepay services [11:21] Is Ireland going all 1984 about phone prepay service? [11:21] all the rest have moved to 'rolling contracts' so your credit disappears if not used [11:21] Ew. [11:21] after 15-30 days [11:21] whereas i have made €5 of credit last 6 months :-) [11:22] i'm sure as buggery not spending €5 ever 2 weeks [11:25] it's the phone companies compensating after eu made them reduce roaming charges i'm guessing [11:26] awilkins: three is my only option. [11:26] does anyone encrypt their android? [11:26] foobarry: windows phone 8 has a nice 2-user implementation for kids. the lock screen can be swiped onto "kids' corner" which has a different PIN, and only pre-selected apps are usable [11:27] i don't put anything on it i wouldn't use on public terminal [11:29] tinfoil hats ahoy [11:30] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0TEJMJOhk ? [11:34] ali1234: seems i have to configuire proxy for every wifi network i connect to [11:34] probably [11:34] wonder how much this slows down the phone/eats battery [11:34] somewhat [11:34] root your phone then? [11:35] looks likely [11:36] this is really slow [11:37] foobarry: android doesn't do multi-user very well. [11:38] at xda dev con over the weekend I played with some 'new' high end phones. oppo and one plus were nice, but huge [11:38] popey: for my use case, it seems ok, which is "make a 4yr old rstricted apps mode" [11:39] why is gstreamer so bad? [11:39] is there an English word for metal items that don't become magnetised? I assume that's the metal detection technology used at airports [11:39] ferrous [11:39] nonferrous metal [11:39] Oh, the opposite of that [11:39] nonferrous [11:39] metal detectors use radio waves [11:40] That will detect even nonferrous metals I think [11:40] Should detect anything conductive [11:40] Maybe a cloak lined with graphene would shield you ... [11:41] why doesn't it pick engagement rings and such, then? [11:41] or is there a critical mass for those [11:41] depends on the sensitivity of the sensor? [11:42] as i understand it the metal detector is a tuned antenna receiving a fixed frequency signal. the presence of a conductor within the detctor changes the natural frequency of the system, "detuning it" and setting off the detector [11:45] right [11:45] so I've got it like this now in the packing list, then [11:45] Jewellery, watches etc. you plan to wear \footnote{Place your watch and other non-essential jewellery into your coat pocket before the airport security check} [11:47] Are you writing a "My first flight" HOWTO? [11:49] Probably a document worth updating [11:49] My first flight was sometime in the upswing curve of paranoia [11:49] But I think it's swung a lot higher since then [11:50] MartijnVdS: some people probably haven't flown that much, some have. [11:50] MartijnVdS: it's just that me and dsample have flown so much in comparison to those who have flown a little. [11:51] there's some tips and tricks that you learn in that [11:51] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bh64fUnSjeaI8BerUdWkRkqhcULHawp5v-vX9LNRuB0/edit?usp=sharing [11:51] Didn't fly until my 4th decade on earth. Have about 2 or 3 return flights under belt [11:51] Not overly enthusiastic about adding to that number [11:51] Enjoyed the little Brazilian turboprop more than the big gets [11:52] jets [11:54] Ooh, 'buntuFone is RTM [11:54] had to fiddle with LaTeX margins a bit because I forgot the printer has it's own numbers... === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [12:34] awilkins: rtm? nice [12:35] i haven't flown in nearly 10 yrs [12:36] I haven't flown [12:36] diddledan: wins [12:36] well I say haven't - I did when I was little and beyond my memory point [12:36] or decision making [12:37] your memory event horizon? [12:43] diddledan: are you based in the states? [12:43] nope [12:44] hmm.. one of the dans is [12:44] I'm in amazingstoke [12:44] or doughnut city [12:45] Basingstoke. One of the few English place names I know. Thanks, H2G2 [12:45] :-) [12:45] guildford, islington [12:45] foobarry: yes those too. Though Islington I also know from Neverwhere :) [12:46] and fenchurch st station [12:47] yeah bot that one comes up waaay later [12:47] the Basingstoke roundabout is in the first episode of the radio thing :) === lukea is now known as Guest25564 === Guest25564 is now known as NET||abuse [13:22] anyone know of a way, to push something like a pushover message, to android, when a process and or service dies on my ubuntu/debian server? [13:24] email? [13:25] so i write alittle python script, that monitors said process, and calls something like ppine to send me an email, when said process is no longer running? [13:25] brobostigon: I MADE THIS FOR YOU https://github.com/azelphur/pyPushBullet [13:25] well I didn't really, but it suits your use case exactly. [13:25] hot cool aid reference? [13:25] ali1234: yes :P [13:25] thank you Azelphur [13:25] yw [13:26] you could also use nagios [13:26] if you can figure out how [13:26] brobostigon: not pushover but PushBullet which is similar (just free) and it's a python lib or command line tool [13:27] why is pushbullet better than sending an email? [13:27] Azelphur: i see, let me work out how to work with it. [13:28] ali1234: has nicer OS integration (you can push links and stuff) and you can do delivery/read confirmation and other such fun things [13:28] does it show incoming calls on linux desktop? [13:28] and you can trigger tasker actions from pushbullet too [13:28] ali1234: huh? [13:28] https://www.pushbullet.com/img/frontpage/mirror-calls.png [13:28] does that work on linux? [13:29] oh, that's cool, no it doesn't do that, however you could write something like that using my library and tasker. [13:29] ali1234: but there is stuff that does that already on Linux [13:29] yeah, for KDE [13:29] nope, for all platforms [13:29] i want to see an indicator message telling me who is calling me without having to go and get my phone [13:29] https://code.google.com/p/android-notifier/ [13:30] it seems, i had pushbullet already bookmarked in the play store. [13:31] brobostigon: yea, pushbullet is very nice API wise [13:32] Azelphur: cool, i must have looked at it before. it looks interesting, yes. [13:32] lemme know if you have any problems with it :) [13:33] i will, :) [13:34] brobostigon: if you have tasker it can trigger on pushbullet messages too, I have my phone ring rather than just play a notification tone on certain events [13:35] i do have tasker, yes. ah, cool. :) [15:13] trying to call the council. i think they all went home [15:14] 4pm, sounds plausible === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [16:22] that reminds me, i was going to call the gov. today [16:22] the States of Guernsey that is (: === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:57] daftykins: do you have a white house on the island? :-p [16:57] and does the queen live there? [16:58] yes! [16:58] \o/ [16:59] speaking of the queen. I'm still waiting for the invite to an intimate candlelight supper with the queen. [17:00] did you request one? [17:01] someone of my stature doesn't stoop to such lows as requesting things. [17:02] yay my bigv VPS is up to date [17:02] just handled a post-wedding rename on a wordpress site also [17:03] I'm working on a governmental communications platform update [17:04] stupid shellshock [17:05] :( [17:05] whoever invented computer security should be shot [17:05] :-p [17:05] lol [17:05] *insecurity [17:05] nono, security. it's the keeping things secure that takes all the effort [17:06] I'd much rather just let the haxx0rs at it and not care two hoots [17:06] but that's not the "secure" way of working [17:06] :D [17:06] have you banished gentoo from whence it came, yet? [17:07] some eejit sat in an office someplace decided that haxx0rs getting into our systems is inherently a bad idea and thus formed "information security practices" [17:07] I wish [17:07] it wouldn't be a problem if we weren't running gentoo :-p [17:09] this channel's namesake has a funky "unattended upgrades" package which we can leave in the background and magically not care about patching ever again [17:11] ;) [17:33] bigcalm: it was yourself with an 840 EVO SSD, no? http://anandtech.com/show/8570/firmware-update-to-fix-the-samsung-ssd-840-evo-read-performance-bug-coming-on-october-15th === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [22:30] patchy bashy [22:30] this is going to drag on [22:30] and on [23:55] diddledan: is there yet another one :( [23:56] daftykins: haven't finished the first patch-cycle yet :-p [23:56] oh of your org? [23:56] yeah [23:57] still got another 9 gentoo to go [23:58] >_< [23:58] is this down to how awkward it is to be able to fiddle? [23:59] no, it's more down to the fact that the gentoo systems we run are woefully outdated [23:59] they haven't been properly maintained [23:59] is it not still a case of being able to just 'emerge bash' or whatever the gentoo speak is? [23:59] or can it not change on its' own 0o