[06:06] <Myrtti> morn
[06:08] <Myrtti> we was thinking about Friday
[06:09] <Myrtti> would anyone be interested in a friendly boardgames moment instead of hitting the drink?
[06:10] <Myrtti> we can bring a few games over.
[06:12] <Myrtti> Tsuro and maybe Nuns on the Run, even though dsample thinks latter might be too complicated
[07:30] <czajkowski> Myrtti: ohhh you at Oggcamp ?
[07:57] <diplo> Morning all
[08:30] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy International Coffee Day! :-D
[08:34] <foobarry> compiling bash from source for suse 10.1 :S
[08:38] <JamesTait> I remember having to compile stuff from source.  I was using Slackware when I started, but it couldn't be called Slackware after a while, I'd recompiled pretty much everything.
[08:38] <popey> Morning all.
[08:39] <directhex> cancelled my orange contract \o/
[08:40] <foobarry> going giffgaff?
[08:41] <directhex> three.
[08:41] <Myrtti> czajkowski: yup
[08:42] <popey> Myrtti: I'd be up for some games. I have "Cards agsinst Humanity" and "We didn't playtest this at all" which are both fun
[08:43] <Myrtti> werewolf might be nice too, I've never played it. We were thinking of what games we'd want to have at the wedding last night and werewolf came to mind.
[08:43] <Myrtti> that and obviously boardgames
[08:45] <foobarry> this game is fun http://www.amazon.co.uk/Saboteur-Path-Laying-Card-Game/dp/B000IQC4N2/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1411980286&sr=8-8&keywords=saboteur
[08:47] <directhex> rent a Guitar Hero rig!
[08:56] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:06] <foobarry> i don't think there's a single person in teh office who isn't sick atm
[09:07] <brobostigon> :(
[09:11] <popey> sam is off sick today
[09:11] <popey> benefit of working from home, can look after them
[09:22] <directhex> i can't parent and work at the same time
[09:40] <popey> sam is 8
[09:40] <popey> he's mostly self sufficient
[09:41] <foobarry> my boy has started calling playing on the tablet "tablet skills"
[09:41] <foobarry> in an attempt to make it sound more educational
[09:41] <popey> hah
[09:41] <foobarry> this is the effect of attending school for one whole week
[09:48] <christel> haha
[09:53] <JamesTait> foobarry, is it "skills", though, or "skillz"? :-P
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> sk1llz
[09:54] <JamesTait> I feel there should be an eleven in there.
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> sk111z?
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> sk!11z!
[09:54] <JamesTait> \o/
[09:55] <JamesTait> Man, that looks sick!
[09:55] <JamesTait> *ahem*
[09:55] <JamesTait> Sorry.
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> I wonder what is asking for my password *after* login. Twice.
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> because it takes some kind of lock on input devices? and I think it's confusing compiz
[10:04] <foobarry> he's 4 so skills hopefully
[10:14] <dutchie> re oggcamp board games: there is a v good board game cafe in ox (Myrtti popey czajkowski)
[10:15] <dutchie> called thirsty meeples
[10:17] <Myrtti> reviews are a bit mixed atleast on Google
[10:17] <dutchie> i've not been myself but loads of friends have
[10:19] <Myrtti> anyway, either way we're game(!) - we've got plenty of games we can bring so staying at the Oxford isn't impossible either if people prefer that way
[10:25] <Myrtti> apropos something, where do people buy their laserjet cartridges for home printers?
[10:26] <foobarry> amazon marketplace
[10:26] <foobarry> cheap copies
[10:26] <foobarry> or ebay
[10:59] <foobarry> need to root my moto g. adverts are everywhere on my phone
[11:01] <zmoylan-pi> wait till you get a smart watch :-)
[11:01]  * brobostigon hugs his pebble.
[11:03] <foobarry> stroke pebble surely?
[11:03] <Laney> skim it
[11:04] <foobarry> after rooting you can't get OTA updates ?
[11:04] <foobarry> meh
[11:05] <foobarry> unlocking bootlader requires wiping the device??
[11:05] <foobarry> meh^2
[11:06] <brobostigon> unlocking doesnt require wiping the device, unlocking DOES wipe the device.
[11:06] <zmoylan-pi> probably best that way, a nicked device gets wiped as they unlock it
[11:07] <brobostigon> it doesnt strickly wipe the device either, its just resets everything back to factory state.
[11:08] <foobarry> are there any adblockers that don't require root?
[11:08] <ali1234> yeah, adblock+
[11:08] <foobarry> i tried that and it failed to work at all
[11:08] <ali1234> then you didn't read the installation instructions
[11:08] <ali1234> you don't just install it
[11:09] <ali1234> you have to set it up as well
[11:09] <ali1234> it operates as a proxy
[11:09] <ali1234> so you have to configure android to use it
[11:10] <foobarry> ah thanks,
[11:10]  * brobostigon is watching george osborne patting himself on the back, for being an idiot.
[11:11] <foobarry> ali1234: assume it works for all apps?
[11:11] <foobarry> (if you are using it)
[11:11] <ali1234> it works for all apps that use a proxy
[11:11] <ali1234> which is most apps
[11:12] <ali1234> all browsers obviously
[11:13]  * awilkins got a provider-less MotoG for the offspring
[11:13] <awilkins> No ads!
[11:13] <awilkins> Huzzah
[11:14] <foobarry> no ads?
[11:14] <awilkins> On the no-provider one, yes
[11:14] <awilkins> Paid £130 for it (1st gen)
[11:14] <foobarry> what ads are you thinking of?
[11:14]  * brobostigon walks up to the tv and pretends to poke osborne up his nose.
[11:14] <zmoylan-pi> it's a bit feckin sad when you have to run adblock on a phone
[11:14] <awilkins> Well, no inbuilt ads
[11:14] <foobarry> i am thinking of ads in browser and in apps like plume
[11:14] <brobostigon> yes, i have the 4g version of the 1st gen model, with cm11.
[11:14] <awilkins> Ads in apps that depend on ads for revenue, I expect so
[11:15] <awilkins> TBH if you don't like ads in ad-supported apps... use another app.
[11:15] <awilkins> The app landscape makes me uneasy these days
[11:16] <awilkins> I find it hard to trust apps, particularly the ones that ask for a smorgasbord of permissions
[11:16] <awilkins> I liked my N900 better because I knew most of the apps were FOSS
[11:16] <foobarry> awilkins: paid £90
[11:16] <awilkins> The official Twitter app crossed the line of "creepy" fairly recently
[11:17] <zmoylan-pi> at least with symbian i could deny an access to certain things always or ask every time.  and that was in 2005
[11:17] <ali1234> i treat my tablet as entirely compromised and i don't install apps on my phone
[11:17] <foobarry> wow
[11:18] <awilkins> Yeah, I feel like that
[11:18] <zmoylan-pi> i gave up smartphones to get a feature phone a nokia asha 201 and keep a 7" tablet mostly for playing media
[11:18] <awilkins> I don't let the offspring install apps on her phone until she can justify to me each permission it wants
[11:19] <directhex> i cancelled my contract earlier today, i have 30 days to get a replacement
[11:20] <awilkins> I like GiffGaff, but YMMV
[11:20] <foobarry> android has multi user accounts now
[11:20] <foobarry> i allow restricted apps for my son
[11:20]  * zmoylan-pi in ireland uses tescos for phone, last of the prepay services
[11:21] <awilkins> Is Ireland going all 1984 about phone prepay service?
[11:21] <zmoylan-pi> all the rest have moved to 'rolling contracts' so your credit disappears if not used
[11:21] <awilkins> Ew.
[11:21] <zmoylan-pi> after 15-30 days
[11:21] <zmoylan-pi> whereas i have made €5 of credit last 6 months :-)
[11:22] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure as buggery not spending €5 ever 2 weeks
[11:25] <zmoylan-pi> it's the phone companies compensating after eu made them reduce roaming charges i'm guessing
[11:26] <directhex> awilkins: three is my only option.
[11:26] <foobarry> does anyone encrypt their android?
[11:26] <directhex> foobarry: windows phone 8 has a nice 2-user implementation for kids. the lock screen can be swiped onto "kids' corner" which has a different PIN, and only pre-selected apps are usable
[11:27] <zmoylan-pi> i don't put anything on it i wouldn't use on public terminal
[11:29] <foobarry> tinfoil hats ahoy
[11:30] <directhex> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0TEJMJOhk ?
[11:34] <foobarry> ali1234: seems i have to configuire proxy for every wifi network i connect to
[11:34] <ali1234> probably
[11:34] <foobarry> wonder how much this slows down the phone/eats battery
[11:34] <ali1234> somewhat
[11:34] <ali1234> root your phone then?
[11:35] <foobarry> looks likely
[11:36] <foobarry> this is really slow
[11:37] <popey> foobarry: android doesn't do multi-user very well.
[11:38] <popey> at xda dev con over the weekend I played with some 'new' high end phones. oppo and one plus were nice, but huge
[11:38] <foobarry> popey: for my use case, it seems ok, which is "make a 4yr old rstricted apps mode"
[11:39] <ali1234> why is gstreamer so bad?
[11:39] <Myrtti> is there an English word for metal items that don't become magnetised? I assume that's the metal detection technology used at airports
[11:39] <awilkins> ferrous
[11:39] <foobarry> nonferrous metal
[11:39] <awilkins> Oh, the opposite of that
[11:39] <awilkins> nonferrous
[11:39] <ali1234> metal detectors use radio waves
[11:40] <awilkins> That will detect even nonferrous metals I think
[11:40] <awilkins> Should detect anything conductive
[11:40] <awilkins> Maybe a cloak lined with graphene would shield you ...
[11:41] <Myrtti> why doesn't it pick engagement rings and such, then?
[11:41] <Myrtti> or is there a critical mass for those
[11:41] <MartijnVdS> depends on the sensitivity of the sensor?
[11:42] <ali1234> as i understand it the metal detector is a tuned antenna receiving a fixed frequency signal. the presence of a conductor within the detctor changes the natural frequency of the system, "detuning it" and setting off the detector
[11:45] <Myrtti> right
[11:45] <Myrtti> so I've got it like this now in the packing list, then
[11:45] <Myrtti> Jewellery, watches etc. you plan to wear \footnote{Place your watch and other non-essential jewellery into your coat pocket before the airport security check}
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> Are you writing a "My first flight" HOWTO?
[11:49] <awilkins> Probably a document worth updating
[11:49] <awilkins> My first flight was sometime in the upswing curve of paranoia
[11:49] <awilkins> But I think it's swung a lot higher since then
[11:50] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: some people probably haven't flown that much, some have.
[11:50] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: it's just that me and dsample have flown so much in comparison to those who have flown a little.
[11:51] <Myrtti> there's some tips and tricks that you learn in that
[11:51] <Myrtti> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bh64fUnSjeaI8BerUdWkRkqhcULHawp5v-vX9LNRuB0/edit?usp=sharing
[11:51] <awilkins> Didn't fly until my 4th decade on earth. Have about 2 or 3 return flights under belt
[11:51] <awilkins> Not overly enthusiastic about adding to that number
[11:51] <awilkins> Enjoyed the little Brazilian turboprop more than the big gets
[11:52] <awilkins> jets
[11:54] <awilkins> Ooh, 'buntuFone is RTM
[11:54] <Myrtti> had to fiddle with LaTeX margins a bit because I forgot the printer has it's own numbers...
[12:34] <diddledan> awilkins: rtm? nice
[12:35] <foobarry> i haven't flown in nearly 10 yrs
[12:36] <diddledan> I haven't flown
[12:36] <foobarry> diddledan: wins
[12:36] <diddledan> well I say haven't - I did when I was little and beyond my memory point
[12:36] <foobarry> or decision making
[12:37] <MartijnVdS> your memory event horizon?
[12:43] <foobarry> diddledan: are you based in the states?
[12:43] <diddledan> nope
[12:44] <foobarry> hmm.. one of the dans is
[12:44] <diddledan> I'm in amazingstoke
[12:44] <diddledan> or doughnut city
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> Basingstoke. One of the few English place names I know. Thanks, H2G2
[12:45] <diddledan> :-)
[12:45] <foobarry> guildford, islington
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: yes those too. Though Islington I also know from Neverwhere :)
[12:46] <foobarry> and fenchurch st station
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> yeah bot that one comes up waaay later
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> the Basingstoke roundabout is in the first episode of the radio thing :)
[13:22] <brobostigon> anyone know of a way, to push something like a pushover message, to android, when a process and or service dies on my ubuntu/debian server?
[13:24] <ali1234> email?
[13:25] <brobostigon> so i write alittle python script, that monitors said process, and calls something like ppine to send me an email, when said process is no longer running?
[13:25] <Azelphur> brobostigon: I MADE THIS FOR YOU https://github.com/azelphur/pyPushBullet
[13:25] <Azelphur> well I didn't really, but it suits your use case exactly.
[13:25] <ali1234> hot cool aid reference?
[13:25] <Azelphur> ali1234: yes :P
[13:25] <brobostigon> thank you Azelphur
[13:25] <Azelphur> yw
[13:26] <ali1234> you could also use nagios
[13:26] <ali1234> if you can figure out how
[13:26] <Azelphur> brobostigon: not pushover but PushBullet which is similar (just free) and it's a python lib or command line tool
[13:27] <ali1234> why is pushbullet better than sending an email?
[13:27] <brobostigon> Azelphur: i see, let me work out how to work with it.
[13:28] <Azelphur> ali1234: has nicer OS integration (you can push links and stuff) and you can do delivery/read confirmation and other such fun things
[13:28] <ali1234> does it show incoming calls on linux desktop?
[13:28] <Azelphur> and you can trigger tasker actions from pushbullet too
[13:28] <Azelphur> ali1234: huh?
[13:28] <ali1234> https://www.pushbullet.com/img/frontpage/mirror-calls.png
[13:28] <ali1234> does that work on linux?
[13:29] <Azelphur> oh, that's cool, no it doesn't do that, however you could write something like that using my library and tasker.
[13:29] <Azelphur> ali1234: but there is stuff that does that already on Linux
[13:29] <ali1234> yeah, for KDE
[13:29] <Azelphur> nope, for all platforms
[13:29] <ali1234> i want to see an indicator message telling me who is calling me without having to go and get my phone
[13:29] <Azelphur> https://code.google.com/p/android-notifier/
[13:30] <brobostigon> it seems, i had pushbullet already bookmarked in the play store.
[13:31] <Azelphur> brobostigon: yea, pushbullet is very nice API wise
[13:32] <brobostigon> Azelphur: cool, i must have looked at it before. it looks interesting, yes.
[13:32] <Azelphur> lemme know if you have any problems with it :)
[13:33] <brobostigon> i will, :)
[13:34] <Azelphur> brobostigon: if you have tasker it can trigger on pushbullet messages too, I have my phone ring rather than just play a notification tone on certain events
[13:35] <brobostigon> i do have tasker, yes. ah, cool. :)
[15:13] <foobarry> trying to call the council. i think they all went home
[15:14] <popey> 4pm, sounds plausible
[16:22] <daftykins> that reminds me, i was going to call the gov. today
[16:22] <daftykins> the States of Guernsey that is (:
[16:57] <diddledan> daftykins: do you have a white house on the island? :-p
[16:57] <diddledan> and does the queen live there?
[16:58] <daftykins> yes!
[16:58] <diddledan> \o/
[16:59] <diddledan> speaking of the queen. I'm still waiting for the invite to an intimate candlelight supper with the queen.
[17:00] <daftykins> did you request one?
[17:01] <diddledan> someone of my stature doesn't stoop to such lows as requesting things.
[17:02] <daftykins> yay my bigv VPS is up to date
[17:02] <daftykins> just handled a post-wedding rename on a wordpress site also
[17:03] <diddledan> I'm working on a governmental communications platform update
[17:04] <diddledan> stupid shellshock
[17:05] <daftykins> :(
[17:05] <diddledan> whoever invented computer security should be shot
[17:05] <diddledan> :-p
[17:05] <daftykins> lol
[17:05] <daftykins> *insecurity
[17:05] <diddledan> nono, security. it's the keeping things secure that takes all the effort
[17:06] <diddledan> I'd much rather just let the haxx0rs at it and not care two hoots
[17:06] <diddledan> but that's not the "secure" way of working
[17:06] <daftykins> :D
[17:06] <daftykins> have you banished gentoo from whence it came, yet?
[17:07] <diddledan> some eejit sat in an office someplace decided that haxx0rs getting into our systems is inherently a bad idea and thus formed "information security practices"
[17:07] <diddledan> I wish
[17:07] <diddledan> it wouldn't be a problem if we weren't running gentoo :-p
[17:09] <diddledan> this channel's namesake has a funky "unattended upgrades" package which we can leave in the background and magically not care about patching ever again
[17:11] <daftykins> ;)
[17:33] <daftykins> bigcalm: it was yourself with an 840 EVO SSD, no? http://anandtech.com/show/8570/firmware-update-to-fix-the-samsung-ssd-840-evo-read-performance-bug-coming-on-october-15th
[22:30] <diddledan> patchy bashy
[22:30] <diddledan> this is going to drag on
[22:30] <diddledan> and on
[23:55] <daftykins> diddledan: is there yet another one :(
[23:56] <diddledan> daftykins: haven't finished the first patch-cycle yet :-p
[23:56] <daftykins> oh of your org?
[23:56] <diddledan> yeah
[23:57] <diddledan> still got another 9 gentoo to go
[23:58] <daftykins> >_<
[23:58] <daftykins> is this down to how awkward it is to be able to fiddle?
[23:59] <diddledan> no, it's more down to the fact that the gentoo systems we run are woefully outdated
[23:59] <diddledan> they haven't been properly maintained
[23:59] <daftykins> is it not still a case of being able to just 'emerge bash' or whatever the gentoo speak is?
[23:59] <daftykins> or can it not change on its' own 0o