| ScottK | Now that mesa 10.3 went in, we should add a release note that kwin/display affects bugs should not be reported upstream. | 02:38 |
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| lordievader | Good morning. | 06:28 |
| * Riddell does the 4.14.1 in utopic dance | 08:54 | |
| Riddell | and kf5 5.2.0 nearly in | 08:54 |
| Riddell | jings that was more effort than it should have been | 08:54 |
| Riddell | SourBlue: you say the plasma5 image isn't fixed? :( | 08:54 |
| Riddell | I really wish I had time to care about Jung-Kyu Park's issue of korean fonts, but it just hasn't reached the top of my todo list yet :( | 08:58 |
| SourBlue | Riddell: I don't think it is | 09:00 |
| SourBlue | dind't work for me but the sddm.conf isn't changed at all | 09:00 |
| SourBlue | btw. my desktop starts on tty8 and tty7 stays the same | 09:01 |
| Riddell | foo | 09:04 |
| apachelogger | you'll want to make sure that plymouth has quit by the time sddm tries to start, otherwise it will probably not be able to use tty7 | 09:05 |
| SourBlue | someone said it's a vm problem do you know something about that? | 09:06 |
| SourBlue | vm only* | 09:06 |
| apachelogger | vbox? | 09:06 |
| Riddell | needs testing on real hardware | 09:06 |
| apachelogger | do not bother with vbox | 09:06 |
| apachelogger | use kvm or real hardware or vmware | 09:06 |
| apachelogger | vbox is just always broken beyond comprehension before release | 09:07 |
| SourBlue | I mean Virtual Machines | 09:07 |
| apachelogger | well, *always broken | 09:07 |
| SourBlue | I use VirtualBox | 09:07 |
| apachelogger | yes | 09:07 |
| apachelogger | don't use it :P | 09:07 |
| apachelogger | it's rubbish | 09:07 |
| * SourBlue thinks about what he just said | 09:08 | |
| * SourBlue gets that vbox and VirtualBox are the same | 09:08 | |
| * apachelogger killed kubunt-ci jenkins by trying to make it produce a graph -.- | 09:08 | |
| SourBlue | does vmware run under linux? | 09:11 |
| SourBlue | or you tell me how to use kvm :D | 09:14 |
| Riddell | tell me too please, I've not worked it out | 09:15 |
| apachelogger | http://blog.liw.fi/posts/kvm-for-ubuntu-iso-testing/ | 09:16 |
| soee | Riddell: one user on g+ asked about 4.14.1 2 days ago, they are in 14.10 but how about 14.04 ? | 09:17 |
| SourBlue | apachelogger, thank you that works! | 09:19 |
| SourBlue | Live Session still not working but the vm is running :D | 09:19 |
| * SourBlue uninstalls VBox | 09:19 | |
| Riddell | soee: I honestly don't know but I'll find out today | 09:23 |
| soee | Riddell: the only thing i want to know atm is if it is or not available for 14.04 :) | 09:24 |
| soee | im on 14.10 so dont know about 14.04 | 09:24 |
| SourBlue | soee: if what is available? | 09:26 |
| Riddell | soee: seems like it hasn't been packaged at all | 09:28 |
| Riddell | yeah, on to do list then | 09:29 |
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| soee | Riddell: ok thank you | 09:33 |
| soee | SourBlue: i was asking about 4.14.1 packages for 14.04 | 09:33 |
| SourBlue | Do you know whats the difference between "apt" and "apt-get"? | 09:34 |
| debfx | SourBlue: man apt | 09:38 |
| debfx | "DIFFERENCES TO APT-GET" | 09:38 |
| SourBlue | Thank you! | 09:39 |
| Riddell | apt is new and shiny, all the cool kids use it | 09:39 |
| Riddell | but I get confused when I want to do something that isn't available in apt and I need to go back to apt-foo | 09:39 |
| * SourBlue is a cool kid | 09:41 | |
| Riddell | :) | 09:47 |
| Pali | Riddell: just to note that I applied these changes for backporting 4.14 to precise: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/kubuntu-automation/revision/438 | 09:53 |
| Riddell | thanks Pali, I'll get to it in a bit | 09:56 |
| Pali | ok | 09:56 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: nm-qt is still in bzr? | 10:37 |
| apachelogger | ah, no found it | 10:37 |
| apachelogger | curious | 10:37 |
| Riddell | ? | 10:40 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: it's not a plasma thing is it? | 10:47 |
| Riddell | half plasma, libnm-qt and libmm-qt want to become frameworks but are plasma for now, plasma-nm will probably stay as part of plasma releases | 10:48 |
| apachelogger | I see | 10:49 |
| apachelogger | this reminds me of my concern on what happens to the git repos if a thing changes affinity from plasma to frameworks :S | 10:49 |
| Riddell | debian git? we ssh in and do mv plasma/foo frameworks/foo | 10:50 |
| apachelogger | but then people need to update their remotes | 10:51 |
| apachelogger | it's fishy I say | 10:51 |
| Riddell | I'm sure we can just tell any packagers to do a fresh clone | 10:52 |
| apachelogger | changing remotes is faster | 10:53 |
| apachelogger | it still requires one to do it | 10:53 |
| apachelogger | pointless work if you ask me | 10:53 |
| sgclark | morning | 11:10 |
| soee | hiho sgclark | 11:22 |
| soee | its 13:22 :D | 11:22 |
| sgclark | hehe 4:22 am here | 11:23 |
| SourBlue | soee: are you german? | 11:23 |
| soee | :) | 11:25 |
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| BluesKaj | Howdy folks | 11:39 |
| sgclark | hiyas | 11:39 |
| BluesKaj | hi sgclark | 11:39 |
| BluesKaj | was about try plasma5 again , but read the email from valorie ...oops still not ready | 11:41 |
| soee | what is not ready ? | 11:42 |
| BluesKaj | plasma5 | 11:42 |
| soee | BluesKaj: yes but what exactly ? :) | 11:43 |
| BluesKaj | soee, http://paste.kde.org/ppyw6rujb | 11:46 |
| apachelogger | #unsupportedinstallmethod | 11:46 |
| sgclark | hmm, yeah that is sddm , however, it was fixed, not sure why it would happen | 11:47 |
| sgclark | now | 11:47 |
| apachelogger | I think that is more than sddm to be honest | 11:47 |
| apachelogger | the entire add-ppa-get-things thing is not exactly thought through | 11:48 |
| sgclark | yeah sddm and plasma-framework broken caused it for me, but was fixed, so unless she is pulling in old packages somehow | 11:48 |
| sgclark | anyway, plasma5 working fine for me | 11:49 |
| apachelogger | it would for valorie if someone where to like document how to do this | 11:50 |
| apachelogger | or well, not make it fail when one does not do everything right | 11:51 |
| soee | BluesKaj: ah no idea, i have Plasma 5 installed in my dell since 3 or more months | 11:53 |
| soee | works fine for me | 11:53 |
| BluesKaj | not here , caused all kinds of troubles, no run comand/krunner, links , widgets etc and the icons/look wasn't to my taste and there were no alternatives to the breeze theme at the time | 11:57 |
| BluesKaj | maybe it's better now lookwise | 11:58 |
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| apachelogger | maybe you should report bugs instead of whining | 12:08 |
| BluesKaj | whoa :) , too many bugs to be useful apachelogger | 12:09 |
| apachelogger | nothing is ever going to change then. | 12:10 |
| sgclark | we cannot fix what we are not aware of | 12:10 |
| BluesKaj | ok < i won't mention plasma5 again, since I have no desire to use it anyway | 12:15 |
| Riddell | meh, sddm will be the end of us | 12:17 |
| Riddell | I always said it | 12:17 |
| apachelogger | nono I said it :P | 12:22 |
| kbroulik | Mirv: ping | 12:36 |
| soee | BluesKaj: i like where P5 is going, im waiting for 5.1 that is going to be released september i think | 12:36 |
| soee | you should give it a try then if current version is not enough :) | 12:37 |
| BluesKaj | soee, are thee any other themes besides the default breeze available? | 12:38 |
| BluesKaj | there | 12:38 |
| soee | when it comes to themes, 98% of the time is see only panel so the default is enough, no need to change it :) | 12:38 |
| Riddell | soee: I'm releasing the beta today | 12:38 |
| soee | BluesKaj: i think all/most from plasma 4 should be compatible | 12:38 |
| soee | Riddell: 5.1 ? :o | 12:38 |
| kbroulik | soee: you cannot use plasma 4 widgets in 5 because the architecture is completely different | 12:39 |
| kbroulik | soee: yes 5.1 :) | 12:39 |
| soee | kbroulik: but we are talkign about themes - tehy do not work ? i think i read somewhere they will | 12:41 |
| Riddell | soyes | 12:41 |
| kbroulik | ah, sorry then | 12:41 |
| kbroulik | theoretically the themes should work but in practise that wasn't really looked after. Air for example sorta works but everything different from 4 (like systray) is broken | 12:41 |
| kbroulik | but then Breeze has a light and dark version :P | 12:41 |
| soee | yeah thats what im saying :) the 2 default breeze are enough for me atleast :) | 12:42 |
| soee | though i prefere dark one | 12:42 |
| soee | *theme -.- | 12:42 |
| kbroulik | I think ivan or so was porting his dark theme | 12:42 |
| soee | yup | 12:43 |
| soee | did he finished activities switcher alrfeady ? | 12:43 |
| soee | i think he said it will be in 5.1 | 12:43 |
| Mirv | kbroulik: pong | 12:44 |
| kbroulik | Mirv: I'm having trouble with touch input on Qt 5.3 (which is shipped by 14.10) and I was told you were the person responsible for Qt stuff on kubuntu :) | 12:45 |
| Mirv | kbroulik: sure, I've been packaging it. what kind of touch problem you have? | 12:45 |
| kbroulik | taps are not registered in Qt5-based applications. I can scroll in listviews (using two fingers) but taps are not detected. the cursor moves and the button hovers but is not actually pressed | 12:46 |
| kbroulik | https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/88361/ ← and in 5.3.2 I verified it works | 12:46 |
| Mirv | kbroulik: interestingly, we already have an earlier version of that patch in our 5.3.0 packages | 12:47 |
| kbroulik | interesting indeed. very very very rarely a tap is registered by eg. Plasma's panel but other than that it doesn't work | 12:49 |
| kbroulik | funnily scrolling through system settings using two fingers works | 12:49 |
| Mirv | kbroulik: can you file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src and I can see what I can do. it's too close to the release so 5.3.2 will only land in the beginning of 15.04 dev cycle. | 12:49 |
| kbroulik | and also moving windows around or triggering screen edges (but then I think KWin is using lowlevel mouse detection rather than Qt's input) | 12:49 |
| kbroulik | running an app QT_XCB_DEBUG_XINPUT_DEVICES=1 shows that touch is indeed registered. But I will file a bug report once I am home (where that touchscreen is) | 12:50 |
| kbroulik | thanks for your patience Mirv :) | 12:50 |
| Mirv | :) thanks for reporting bugs | 12:51 |
| soee | Riddell: ping me ater @night when you will put 5.1beta into some ppa, i could test it :) | 12:56 |
| apachelogger | ehm | 13:12 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: are you sure kdesu is fixeD? | 13:12 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: well kdesu is, .desktop files with X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true not so much | 13:14 |
| apachelogger | https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1375786 | 13:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1375786 in Kubuntu PPA "kdesu more broken" [High,Confirmed] | 13:15 |
| Riddell | yep | 13:16 |
| * Riddell cheers the liberation of http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html from anything KDE | 13:20 | |
| Riddell | Pali: two override errors http://paste.kde.org/pzgwo55a6 | 13:35 |
| Riddell | Pali: those need the breaks/replaces adjusted | 13:35 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I'm dropping a patch in kdoctools, which branch do I want to do it in? | 13:48 |
| apachelogger | master if it is applicable to 5.2 | 13:49 |
| apachelogger | you then want to checkout kubuntu_unstable and git merge master and then push both branches | 13:49 |
| Riddell | groovy | 13:55 |
| gomek | hello | 15:44 |
| Riddell | oh, he left | 15:52 |
| sgclark | Riddell: since I am clueless on the new git workflow, any interest in me backporting 4.14.1 to trusty? | 15:54 |
| Riddell | sgclark: yeah that would be cool | 15:57 |
| soee | Riddell: hows the 5.1beta ? | 19:07 |
| Riddell | still in upstream mode | 19:09 |
| Riddell | tagging and announcing, not yet done the kubuntu packages (cos I'm was still catching up on kf5 and previous plasma today) | 19:09 |
| Riddell | so mañana as we say in spain | 19:09 |
| soee | ;D | 19:10 |
| ScottK | mañana is always a convenient deadline. | 20:31 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 20:37 |
| Riddell | yep, in scotland we just don't have anything with such enthusiasm | 21:44 |
| valorie | apachelogger: I did exactly as you suggested! | 21:53 |
| valorie | how is that "#unsupportedinstallmethod"? | 21:53 |
| valorie | I guess I just need to use the neon5 environment on this laptop to report bugs | 21:54 |
| valorie | because SDDM still not installing cleanly is the problem, I guess? | 21:55 |
| valorie | or just go whole-hog and install from the plasma5 iso | 21:56 |
| * jussi waves | 22:43 | |
| jussi | and thinks australian keyboards now feel strange | 22:44 |
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| claydoh | valorie: I run olasma 5 from the plsma 5 iso, but only had any serious issues when I decided to get some fresher crack from the Staging ppa :o | 23:07 |
| claydoh | haven't tried upgrading after normal install yet, will try that on my "new" laptop when it arrives | 23:08 |
| valorie | the staging ppa killed networking, was the biggest problem | 23:09 |
| valorie | I've not been able to get the nice lil applet back | 23:09 |
| claydoh | never had that myelf, just some broken packages for a couple days | 23:09 |
| valorie | had to use nmcli to connect to my wireless | 23:09 |
| * claydoh is inordinately lucky with installs and upgrades, it seems | 23:10 | |
| claydoh | Just can't have desktop effects on when using Chrome | 23:15 |
| jussi | oh wow, its claydoh! hello old man! | 23:19 |
| claydoh | jussi: howdy ;) | 23:19 |
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