[04:59] <pitti> Good morning
[08:04] <willcooke> morning
[08:05] <Laney> hey hey
[08:05] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[08:16] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:16] <Laney> how goes
[08:20] <pitti> hey Laney, bonjour seb128
[08:20] <Laney> hey pitti!
[08:21] <Laney> how are you?
[08:23] <pitti> Laney: quite fine, thanks! I recovered from the long weekend's lack of sleep :) how about yourself?
[08:24] <Laney> ooh, what did you get up to?
[08:24] <seb128> hey Laney pitti, wie gehts?
[08:24] <seb128> Laney, doing good thanks ;-)
[08:24] <Laney> I'm good thanks, climbing and making some blackberry and pear gin were last night's activities
[08:24] <seb128> pitti, did you party all w.e? ;-)
[08:25] <pitti> seb128: at least stayed up late (until ~ 1 to 3 am) Thu/Fri/Sat, and got up relatively early :)
[08:25] <seb128> I see
[08:25] <Laney> kids these days
[08:25] <Laney> makes me tired just reading that
[08:25] <seb128> the trick is to sleep in the morning those days ;-)
[08:26] <pitti> seb128: my parents celebrated their 60th birthday, and we visited some friends on Thu/Fri
[08:26] <seb128> nice
[08:51] <Laney> seb128: if you've got a minute could you look at NEWing gnome-desktop3 please?
[08:51] <seb128> Laney, sure
[08:53] <Laney> merci
[08:59] <seb128> de rien !
[09:11] <seb128> bah, somebody approved the buggy lightdm upload from robert_ancell
[09:12] <seb128> jdstrand, just as a fyi, seems like robert_ancell reverted your lightdm 1.11.9-0ubuntu2 upload (I guess outdated vcs), I emailed him earlier about that while the upload was in the queue but it got approved now ... I guess he's going to fix that tomorro
[09:12] <Laney> bah
[09:12] <Laney> can block it in proposed
[09:13] <Laney> done
[09:13] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[09:13] <Laney> we could reapply the diff and upload again
[09:14] <seb128> I wonder if those freeze make sense, obviously things get flagged through without review anyway
[09:14] <seb128> I guess I could ;-)
[09:14] <seb128> let me have a look
[09:14] <Laney> doing it
[09:14] <seb128> who is doing it?
[09:14] <seb128> oh, you
[09:14] <seb128> ok
[09:14] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[09:14] <Laney> wait
[09:14] <Laney> if you do it I could review ;-)
[09:14] <seb128> k
[09:14] <seb128> let me do it then
[09:15] <seb128> gnome-desktop NEW review first
[09:15] <Laney> okay
[09:15] <seb128> it's going to be easy, no worry
[09:16] <seb128> k, gnome-desktop NEWed, lightdm next
[09:17] <dgadomski> hello everyone
[09:17] <seb128> hey dgadomski
[09:18] <dgadomski> I have an idea to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1125442
[09:18] <seb128> dgadomski, you might want to talk to Trevinho or bregma, they work on that code
[09:18] <dgadomski> I think about storing last focused window while changing viewports and then restoring it after returning to this viewport instead of picking the default one
[09:19] <dgadomski> thanks seb128
[09:19] <seb128> yw
[09:19] <dgadomski> Trevinho, bregma: do you have a minute to discuss this?
[09:20] <seb128> it's a bit early for bregma, he's -3/-4 I think
[09:20] <seb128> Trevinho might be around, he often has shifted hours though
[09:21] <dgadomski> seb128: thanks, I will be around in case they show up
[09:22] <seb128> yw!
[09:22] <seb128> Laney, you might want to mark the gnome-desktop mp as merge to get it out of the sponsoring queue
[09:22] <Laney> kay
[09:22] <seb128> thanks
[09:22] <Laney> I need to actually merge it first
[09:22] <seb128> you plan to merge it?
[09:22] <Laney> to the ubuntu-desktop branch
[09:22] <seb128> if that's udd let just the importer do it?
[09:23] <Laney> don't we have one there?
[09:23] <seb128> oh, why wasn't it mp against that one?
[09:23] <seb128> let me check, I was unsure but I guess we have since we have a delta for gnome-desktop3
[09:23] <Laney> nah there isn't one
[09:23] <seb128> k
[09:24] <Laney> oh no
[09:24] <Laney> there is!
[09:24] <Laney> it's obsolete though
[09:24] <Laney> might as well delete it I reckon
[09:31] <seb128> Laney, lightdm uploaded
[09:33] <Laney> ty
[09:33] <seb128> yw!
[09:34]  * Laney debdiffs against ubuntu2
[09:38] <Laney> alright, looks good
[09:39] <Laney> remind me to unblock in a publisher run or so if I forget
[09:41] <seb128> k, thanks
[09:53] <Laney> attente_: Do you remember the bug I had in China where I couldn't input Chinese in my non-Unity session?
[09:53] <Laney> I just remembered about it - did you come up with the fix? We should maybe get that in if so
[09:54] <Laney> nihao xiaomao
[09:57] <darkxst> hey Laney, seb128
[09:57] <seb128> hey darkxst
[09:58] <Laney> what's up
[10:01] <darkxst> Laney, usual mid-week stuff, though I did sneak in a morning mtb ride, and got back 10mins before the massive storms hit!
[10:03] <Laney> sneaky
[10:04] <Laney> we're having one of the warmest and driest Septembers ever apparently
[10:05] <darkxst> we have had a pretty warm september, but then it dropped to 6 during the storms!
[10:07] <Laney> wouldn't mind a decent storm
[10:07] <Laney> #ubuntu-storm-fans
[10:08] <darkxst> Laney, I saw trees falling while riding in the forest ;)
[10:08] <darkxst> and that was before it hit
[10:09] <Laney> "crap, better get home fast"
[10:12]  * willcooke loves a good storm
[10:13] <willcooke> one of the good things about working from home - I can go outside in the weather without being judged ;)
[10:15] <seb128> Laney, did you have any opinion on try to get the new empathy in utopic?
[10:16] <Laney> not atm
[10:17] <Laney> do we have any empathy users in the team?
[10:17] <seb128> I played a bit with the update and it seems to work fine
[10:17] <seb128> but I don't use it on daily basis
[10:17] <seb128> I do have accounts configured/contacts though
[10:17] <Laney> with messaging menu and online accoutns and sip and ...?
[10:17] <seb128> no sip
[10:18] <seb128> but messaging menu, online accounts, etc
[10:18] <darkxst> I played with it as well, but don't generally use it either
[10:18] <Laney> canonical voip works with it
[10:18] <Laney> I use that on the rare occasions I need to voip
[10:18] <seb128> I don't even know how canonical voip works
[10:18] <seb128> I never asked for my credentials
[10:18] <Laney> haha
[10:18] <larsu> pidgin!
[10:18] <seb128> hey larsu!
[10:18] <Laney> you can call 5959@voip.canonical.com in empathy
[10:18] <larsu> seb128: hey. Sorry, I'm buried in qml since this morning
[10:18] <Laney> to use the conf call line
[10:18] <seb128> I was using pidgin
[10:19] <Laney> it's quite reasonable actually
[10:19] <seb128> but nowadays I'm mostly using hangouts and fb chat
[10:19] <larsu> I don
[10:19] <seb128> Laney, it's world open or is there any acl?
[10:19] <Laney> you should have a username and password
[10:19] <larsu> oops, enter madness: I don't use empathy at all anymore either
[10:20] <Laney> it should get a telegram plugin
[10:20] <Laney> I'd probably use that
[10:20] <Laney> aaaanyway
[10:21] <Laney> seb128: did you review the packaging?
[10:21] <Laney> can you upload to the desktop ppa?
[10:21] <seb128> Laney, do you plan to backport the evince fix for that segfault or did you just triage a duplicate?
[10:21] <Laney> I was writing the changelog when you pinged me about empathy :P
[10:21] <seb128> Laney, I had a glance, was waiting for the mr to be up to do a real review, which is the case now
[10:22] <Laney> 'kay
[10:22] <seb128> Laney, k ;-)
[10:22] <Laney> well, I feel open to the idea
[10:29] <seb128> Laney, k, I reviewed the merge request/commented
[10:30] <seb128> there is one build-depends error to fix, looks good otherwise
[10:30] <seb128> darkxst, ^ (empathy), would be nice if you guys could make it a ffe as well
[10:39] <darkxst> seb128, I have no idea where the powerpc change in rules came from
[10:39] <bregma> dgadomski, if you miss Trevinho you can always comment on the bug, or propose a code merge if you're a comfortable with coding
[10:42] <darkxst> ricotz ^ do you know?
[10:43] <darkxst> I can only assume it was merged from debian at some point? since we don't care about powerpc on the ppa's
[10:45] <seb128> that would be a bit weird
[10:46] <seb128> since that to enable ubuntu-online-account
[10:46] <seb128> that's*
[10:46] <seb128> debian doesn't use uoa afaikl
[10:47] <darkxst> seb128, yes, and we don't either
[10:48] <seb128> yet somebody put that in the rules?
[10:49] <darkxst> :q
[10:49] <ricotz> it is part of empathy 3.8.4-1ubuntu1 which the ppa package is currently based on
[10:50] <Laney> darkxst: shall I interpret your comment on bug #1363721 as saying that the g-c-c panel for a-l-m isn't necesasry?
[10:51] <Laney> (because it looks as if you can build a-l-m without it)
[10:51] <darkxst> Laney, yes
[10:51] <ricotz> darkxst, how did you rebase the package?
[10:51] <darkxst> ricotz, Noskcaj did that merge
[10:52] <ricotz> ok, any way look at 3.8.4-1ubuntu1
[10:52] <darkxst> (I only fixed up the disabled patches
[10:52] <seb128> darkxst, ricotz: ok, that powerpc snippet got cleaned out during the utopic cycle, it shouldn't be there
[10:52] <seb128> e.g just drop those lines
[10:52] <darkxst> seb128, ok, will drop it
[10:52] <seb128> thanks!
[10:55] <darkxst> Laney, we don't ship a-l-m, but if its installed we have the standalone binary come up in search results
[10:55] <Laney> yeah
[10:55] <Laney> you can just turn off the g-c-c panel in the build
[10:55] <darkxst> Laney, its not a panel though is it?
[10:56] <Laney> it is
[10:56] <Laney> look in u-c-c
[10:56] <darkxst> Laney, it was shipped as an external panel
[10:56] <darkxst> pre-u-c-c I think?
[10:57] <Laney> we've had it for a while
[10:57] <dgadomski> bregma: thanks, I can prepare a fix, but I first wanted to discuss my approach
[10:57] <Laney> but it's a normal external panel, doesn't pop up a separate window or anything
[11:02] <darkxst> Laney, if a-l-m is building an external panel for g-c-c then that can be disabled, we don't need it
[11:02] <Laney> that is exactly what my upload does
[11:03] <darkxst> Laney, ok good
[11:03] <darkxst> I mainly kept the external panel stuff in g-c-c for backups
[11:03] <darkxst> i.e dejadup
[11:20] <dgadomski> bregma: I have added a comment with the description of my approach for Trevinho, if you would like to take a look I will appreciate your opinion as well
[11:24] <darkxst> Laney, should I push the rebuilds for gnome-desktop that I have upload for? or will you just do a mass copy?
[11:26] <seb128> Laney, where did you subscribe me to the daily CD emails? I want to opt out
[11:27] <Laney> I WANT OUT!
[11:27] <Laney> it's in code, lemme do it
[11:27] <Laney> well, a config file in cdimage
[11:27] <seb128> thanks
[11:27] <Laney> darkxst: you mean bzr?
[11:29] <darkxst> Laney, no upload, there are not packaging branches for things like mutter, gnome-panel etc
[11:29] <Laney> then just upload them and mark it in the bug
[11:29] <Laney> like put an [x] in the description or whatever
[11:29] <darkxst> ok
[12:12] <pitti> Laney: just to be sure, are you on the gnome-desktop3 transition? need a hand?
[12:12] <Laney> pitti: doing it now
[12:13] <Laney> I'm leaving the merges of g-s-d and g-c-c
[12:13] <Laney> so if you fancy reviewing those ;-)
[12:13] <pitti> Laney: thanks (just looking at -proposed to clean up a bit)
[12:13] <Laney> no pressure though, I'll do them this afternoon if not
[12:13] <Laney> (ppa:darkxst/gnome-desktop)
[12:14] <pitti> Laney: uh, 3.8 -> 3.12, does that have an approved FFE?
[12:14] <pitti> Laney: oh, I suppose that's easier now with ubuntu-{settings-daemon,control-center}
[12:15] <Laney> oh yeah that was always part of the plan, it's mostly decoupled these days
[12:15] <pitti> ack
[12:16] <Laney> although I forgot that edubuntu ships these bits ... (however they are LTS-only these days)
[12:20] <pitti>  gnome-settings-daemon | 3.8.6.1-0ubuntu15   | ubuntu-rtm/14.09 | source, amd64, armhf, i386
[12:20] <pitti> Laney: ^ that's ... worrying (and strange)
[12:20] <seb128> pitti, why?
[12:20] <pitti> I wouldn't have expected g-s-d to be on the phone
[12:21] <seb128> it's not
[12:21] <pitti> if at all, u-s-d
[12:21] <seb128> but unity-schemas is built from unity
[12:21] <seb128> which is needed by unity8
[12:21] <Laney> some things are there because of touch-meta -> desktop-next
[12:21] <Laney> or other dep chains
[12:21] <seb128> which brings unity7 in
[12:21] <seb128> which depends on desktop components
[12:21] <Laney> if you check seeded-in-ubuntu you can see which images it ends up on
[12:22] <Laney> which ... does show it on desktop-next ...
[12:22] <pitti> seb128: well yes, but unity7 should still use u-s-d, not g-s-d?
[12:22] <seb128> pitti, g-s-d/u-s-d gsettings schemas are shared and in gnome-settings-daemon-schemas which is built by g-s-d
[12:22] <seb128> so u-s-d depends on a g-s-d binary
[12:22] <seb128> so g-s-d needs to follow u-s-d
[12:22] <pitti> aah
[12:23] <seb128> we meant to reverse that
[12:23] <seb128> build the schemas from u-s-d
[12:23] <seb128> but didn't get to do it this cycle
[12:23] <pitti> seb128: that means it's not low-risk to update g-s-d from 3.8 to 3.12?
[12:23] <seb128> we need to make sure there is no schemas incompatible changes indeed
[12:23] <Laney> check the schemas diff, Tim said he took care to make sure there aren't any dropped or changed keys
[12:23] <seb128> but I think the GNOME team checked for that/added back the keys that were deprecated
[12:24] <pitti> ack, I'll watch out for that
[12:24] <seb128> danke
[12:24] <pitti> Laney: I'll review the g-s-d merge
[12:24] <darkxst> yes I reverted all schema keys that were reverted
[12:24] <Laney> excellent, thanks
[12:24] <Laney> darkxst: can you update your usd branch to have version ubuntu3 please?
[12:24] <Laney> I'm going to change that for the upload
[12:25] <pitti> darkxst: do you have https://launchpad.net/~darkxst/+archive/ubuntu/gnome-desktop/+sourcepub/4435403/+listing-archive-extra in some branch, or should I copy over the debian/ dir and commit that as merge?
[12:27] <darkxst> pitti, see bug 1372346
[12:27] <pitti> darkxst: ah, splendid; thanks
[12:27] <Laney> okay, that's all uploaded (apart from g-s-d/g-c-c), I'll sort out the vcs after lunch
[12:27] <Laney> hopefully someone will accept them so that we get some builds
[12:28] <pitti> Laney: I'll do g-s-d; then you can accept wiht your release hat on :)
[12:28] <Laney> sounds good
[12:28]  * Laney finds a victim for g-c-c
[12:28] <Laney> not really, /me goes to lunch :P
[12:28] <Laney> biab
[12:29] <jdstrand> seb128: ack, thanks
[12:29] <jdstrand> for some reason I always forget to do the vcs on lightdm. I'm not sure why. some weird mental block...
[12:30] <seb128> jdstrand, hey, yw! I uploaded the fix so we should be fine
[12:30] <darkxst> Laney, will fix u-s-d version, then i'm off to bed
[12:31] <darkxst> Laney, actually the branch is ubuntu3, was only the ppa that was bumped
[12:32] <jdstrand> seb128: very much appreciated
[12:32] <seb128> no worry!
[12:33] <pitti> darkxst: OOI, what happened to debian/gnome-update-wallpaper-cache.c…?
[12:33] <darkxst> pitti, its not needed anymore, g-s-d runs in the installer these days
[12:34] <pitti> darkxst: I thought that was for generating a pre-scaled background image in ~/.cache, to avoid having to scale the selected bg image during boot?
[12:34] <seb128> pitti, g-s-d runs on ubiquity and the cached version is copied after the installation
[12:35] <pitti> ack
[12:35] <darkxst> pitti, well yes, but g-s-d didnt used to run on ubiquity
[12:43] <pitti> darkxst, seb128: reviewed, one question in https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/utopic/gnome-settings-daemon/lp1372346/+merge/236308
[12:52] <darkxst> pitti, pretty sure the input source switcher helper doesnt exist in u-s-d
[12:52] <pitti> /usr/lib/unity-settings-daemon/usd-test-input-helper
[12:52] <pitti> not sure what that is
[12:53] <pitti> darkxst: ah, I guess I could just grep the code, hang on
[12:54] <pitti> darkxst: right; thanks
[12:57] <pitti> Laney: I'm reviewing g-c-c too now, FYI; test-building/test-booting
[13:23] <Sweetshark> seb128: friendly ping about libreoffice upload ...
[13:24] <seb128> Sweetshark, oh, where is that again?
[13:24] <seb128> Sweetshark, you should use the sponsoring queue or drop me email for those, IRC pings don't stick ;-)
[13:25] <seb128> dpm, hey, want to review https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/gallery-app/some-translations-tweaks/+merge/236511? not sure what we should do we the translate upstream/in ubuntu, does it make sense to make those project use X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack?
[13:27] <Sweetshark> seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/utopic/4.3.2/ <- here they are
[13:27] <seb128> Sweetshark, thanks
[13:30] <dgadomski> Trevinho: thanks (bug 1125442), I will try to implement it on the core level
[13:30] <Trevinho> dgadomski: thank you, let me know if you need some assistance, questions or anything else
[13:31] <pitti> Laney: g-c-c and g-s-d waiting in unapproved: )
[13:31] <Laney> hey
[13:31] <Laney> pitti: thanks
[13:31] <Laney> queue looking nice and fat now
[13:32] <dpm> seb128, I'm not sure, tbh. As far as I know, the plan is to migrate the system apps that are .debs to .clicks, but bfiller should know more.
[13:32] <seb128> dpm, but those changes shouldn't hurt even if that case, if we share translations between upstream and Ubuntu?
[13:34] <dpm> seb128, that's fine by me, I'll +1, but ultimately the MP will need to be top-approved by someone in bfiller's team
[13:34] <seb128> dpm, right, going to ping them as well
[13:35] <seb128> dpm, but I wanted to check with you about the X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpacks
[13:36] <dpm> seb128, so in summary, it's ok to use them for gallery, but just wanted to mention that at some point translations might need to be moved to the upstream click, if the app happens to migrate to click (and until we have click support in langpacks, or a better mechanism)
[13:37] <seb128> dpm, right, which is why I updated the pot as well
[13:37] <seb128> but meanwhile it's going to avoid us having to fight with outdated templates
[13:37] <seb128> dpm, do you know if anyone is planning to work on making launchpad support updating the pot server side for us?
[13:38] <seb128> seems like it would be an investment that would pay back
[13:38] <dpm> seb128, I fully agree. I cannot say for certain, but from the little I know and my experience with LP, no one is.
[13:39] <dpm> we've discussed updating the templates in the ci train, though
[13:39] <seb128> dpm, can you just raise it as a concern/don't you guys have stakeholder meetings? ;-)
[13:40] <dpm> seb128, I've not been a stakeholder in LP for a few years :)
[13:40] <seb128> Sweetshark, libreoffice uploaded, sorry for the delay, up to the release team next
[13:40] <dpm> seb128, but yeah, it's something in my radar, not sure yet about the best solution
[13:41] <dpm> well, I know the solution, just don't know how to make it happen without anyone available to work on it :)
[13:41] <seb128> dpm, well, as an UE manager you can probably flag things you see as impacting our ability to deliver in some ways? ;-)
[13:42] <seb128> dpm, anyway, we are going to keep dancing around those issues until we find resources to properly address them
[13:42] <seb128> which is fine, but it would probably pay back to have somebody spending a week on launchpad and fix it for good
[13:43] <seb128> rather than keeping running into "damn, outdated, need to mp, chase people, get things merged, to land, etc"
[13:46] <dpm> seb128, yeah, I've had exactly that discussion with LP devs a few years back, and I've been chasing people for ages too. In any case, we agree. I can only promise I'll re-raise it and try to do my best to find out a way to fix it.
[13:46] <seb128> dpm, thanks
[13:48] <Sweetshark> seb128: np, thanks so much for uploading.
[13:48] <seb128> yw!
[14:18] <Laney> tkamppeter: do you know your foo2zjs sync reverts the recommends→suggests change in the previous ubuntu upload?
[14:19] <tkamppeter> Laney, forgot abot that. I will check and ask the Debian guy whether he could overtake the change.
[14:20] <Laney> kay, thanks, rejecting meanwhile
[14:27] <tkamppeter> Laney, I will try to get the change be accepted by Debian and if yes I will sync again, otherwise only overtake the lcms2 fix.
[14:28] <Laney> You could just merge and keep the tix change
[14:28] <tkamppeter> Laney, some packages of trhe printing stack cannot be synced due to policy differences in Debian and Ubuntu.
[14:34] <Laney> Since you synced foo2zjs already I don't think that applies here :)
[14:36] <FJKong> seb128: could you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntukylin/+bug/1365208 is this a bug?
[14:36] <FJKong> seb128: restart menu item will disappear on both ubuntu and ubuntu-kylin
[14:39] <Laney> haha
[14:40] <Laney> I see that
[14:40] <FJKong> Laney: it is very weird..
[15:27] <willcooke> righty ho
[15:27] <willcooke> going to start the meeting in a couple of mins using meetingology
[15:27] <desrt> meetingology?
[15:27] <willcooke> going to *try* I should say
[15:27] <willcooke> desrt, be prepared to be amazed
[15:28] <willcooke> I don't know, maybe sit down or something
[15:28] <willcooke> it's a bot to take minutes for us
[15:28] <Laney> we should have a vote on something
[15:28] <Laney> that feature man
[15:28] <willcooke> let's put that to the vote
[15:29] <seb128> FJKong, sure, I can have a look
[15:29] <FJKong> seb128: ok
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Weekly Meeting 2014-09-30
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 30 15:30:41 2014 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call:  attente_, desrt, FJkong, happyaron, laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweetshark, tkamppeter
[15:31] <desrt> hihi
[15:31]  * Sweetshark reporting in.
[15:31] <seb128> hey
[15:31] <willcooke> I'm going to set the topic to each person in turn
[15:31] <brookswarner> hi willcooke seb128
[15:31] <willcooke> attente_, we'll come back to you at the end :)
[15:32]  * Sweetshark thinks we should vote on "buy Bjoern a private helicopter". its the usual testcase for meetbot votes.
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:32] <willcooke> desrt, you're up first
[15:32] <desrt> hi.  not a super-productive week.  mostly did reviewing and worked on a few minor API additions for glib
[15:32] <desrt> spent some time visiting a friend in the hospital...
[15:33] <desrt> not much else to say -- too bad for our first fancy meeting with the bot :)
[15:33] <willcooke> :)
[15:33] <willcooke> thank desrt
[15:33] <willcooke> *thanks
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:33] <willcooke> FJKong, you're up
[15:33] <FJKong> * Dash pinyin search, talked to bregma bregma targets for 15.04, he suggest we discuess it at DC Sprint
[15:33] <FJKong> * Bug #1365208, tested uk and ubuntu, bug confirmed
[15:33] <FJKong> * feature of searching on google for gnome-terminal, kylin still not accept it yet
[15:33] <FJKong> * wiki page is done,  Ubuntu Membership Board meeting is at October 2nd, 2014 at 22:00:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting
[15:33] <FJKong> * Visa: all material are done, interview at Oct 6
[15:33] <FJKong> to be done:
[15:33] <FJKong> * do research on lib for remap pinyin and Chinese
[15:34] <FJKong> * when should remap, and when should  just pass the string untouched?
[15:34] <FJKong> * National Day Holidays
[15:34] <FJKong>  eof
[15:34] <willcooke> thanks FJKong - good luck with the Ubuntu membership and the visa interview :)
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:34] <FJKong> willcooke: thanks
[15:34] <willcooke> happyaron, are you about?
[15:34]  * willcooke expects not - given that its late
[15:35] <FJKong> 23:34 I think he is sleeping
[15:35] <willcooke> if you are, we'll come back to you happyaron
[15:35] <FJKong> not like me
[15:35] <willcooke> yeah I think so too
[15:35] <willcooke> :)
[15:35] <willcooke> ok..
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:35] <willcooke> Laney, you're up
[15:35] <Laney> • Lots of FFe reviews, queue reviews, accepts, unblocks & so on
[15:35] <Laney> • Patch piloted yesterday
[15:35] <Laney> • Drove (with Tim) the gnome-desktop3 transition, will see where we are in a little bit when the builds & publisher shake out
[15:35] <Laney> • GStreamer, evince updates
[15:35] <Laney> • a-l-m bugfix for duplicate Security & Privacy icons
[15:35] <Laney> • Fix FTBFS & do some multi-arching in Debian as a result of the new gobject-introspection. Should be complete there now.
[15:35] <Laney> ⚓
[15:36] <desrt> Laney: thanks for the unicode
[15:36] <willcooke> :D
[15:36] <Laney> (d-conf update too)
[15:36] <Laney> you're welcome
[15:36] <willcooke> Good stuff, thanks a lot Laney
[15:36] <Laney> I got moved down the list which gave me time to find a nice one
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:37] <willcooke> larsu, how goes?
[15:37] <larsu> unproductive week for me as well due to sickness last week :/
[15:37] <larsu> I finally finished the Icon stuff in uitk today
[15:38] <larsu> which makes unity8 tests pass so that they can finally start using it
[15:38] <larsu> which gives them hack-free rectangular icons
[15:38] <larsu> (same for system settings)
[15:38] <larsu> seb128: we should be able to remove the "width: height" thing you added to that MR
[15:38] <seb128> system settings is already using it
[15:38] <willcooke> excellent!
[15:38] <seb128> oh, nice
[15:38] <seb128> btw the settings icon is wrongly shapped on the device for some reason
[15:38] <seb128> let's see if your update fixes it
[15:39] <larsu> otherwise I did some bug triage, but really didn't get much else done on the couch last week
[15:39] <willcooke> hope you're feeling better larsu
[15:39] <larsu> seb128: I hope. It was quite a bit of meddling around. I think a qml expert should do this next time
[15:39]  * larsu couldn't find one sadly
[15:39] <Laney> and now i
[15:39] <seb128> larsu, thanks for stepping up and doing it!
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:39] <Laney> and now it is you*
[15:39] <larsu> willcooke: ya, much better now. Thanks!
[15:40] <seb128> larsu, ask Laney next time, he's a big fish and a toolkit expert
[15:40] <larsu> will do :)
[15:40] <willcooke> XD
[15:40] <willcooke> qengho, your turn
[15:40] <Laney> teach a man to fish
[15:41] <desrt> man down!
[15:41] <willcooke> he's marked as away
[15:41] <willcooke> ok, moving on
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:41] <willcooke> seb128, your turn
[15:42] <seb128> ubuntu-system-settings for touch
[15:42] <seb128> ∘ update the storage panel to be able to read icons info for scopes
[15:42] <seb128> ∘ made the trust store applications name show translated
[15:42] <seb128> ∘ fixed some scrolling issues
[15:42] <seb128> ∘ tweaked the storage backend to better handle the krillin partitions
[15:42] <seb128> ∘ reviews
[15:42] <seb128> • fixed an UI bug in gallery
[15:42] <seb128> • small bugfix upload for lightdm
[15:42] <seb128> • some desktop bugfixes
[15:42] <seb128> • tested the gnome-desktop transition before it got uploaded
[15:42] <seb128> • reviewed/tested empathy upgrade
[15:42] <seb128> • some sponsoring
[15:42] <seb128> • usual share of bugs triaging and desktop discussions
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[15:42] <willcooke> Thanks a lot seb128
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic Sweetshark
[15:43] <willcooke> Sweetshark, how goes LibreOffice
[15:43] <Sweetshark> • first added, then removed mergedlibs because of fdo#84315 	
[15:43] <Sweetshark> • finalized LibreOffice 4.3.2.2 (some upstream guidance there too: releng was on vacation, we had someone step in for the first time)
[15:43] <Sweetshark> • wrote a integration test for fdo#84315 in Python upstream -- sadly exposing JVM bootstrap issues on in the Pyyhon test stuff
[15:43] <Sweetshark> • will look into rewriting the same in Java now
[15:43] <Sweetshark> • code dumped the docker/saltstack based tinderbox infra framework at https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=tb3-docker.git;a=summary
[15:43] <Sweetshark> • upcoming week: bisect the mergedlibs thing, if test is there, see if we still can get mergedlibs back, for context:
[15:43] <Sweetshark> • • libmerged reduced cold startup from 3 seconds to 2 seconds on a SSD, see my ad-hoc measurements at http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/minutes-of-ESC-call-td4123642.html
[15:43] <Sweetshark> • • some people reported cold startup of ~13 seconds on spinning disc hardware, I assume mergedlibs to be very measurable there
[15:43] <Sweetshark> EOF
[15:43] <Sweetshark> whops - that looks like a utf-8 fail ;)
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks Sweetshark
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:44] <willcooke> tkamppeter, what's new in printing?
[15:45] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Released 1.0.59 upstream and in Utopic, with several bug fixes on color management, the latest ippusbxd, and a PPD for IPP Everywhere (PWG Raster) printers.
[15:45] <tkamppeter> - Dialog with Brother about their work on IPP Everywhere printers and them testing Ubuntu's IPP Everywhere printer support
[15:45] <tkamppeter> - Bought an add-on module which should make IPP Everywhere printers out of HP lasers.
[15:45]  * willcooke is excited about the dialogue with Brother
[15:46] <willcooke> You will probably remember tkamppeter and I had some meetings with printer makers a little while ago, and this is the first fruit of those meetings.
[15:46] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:46] <tkamppeter> Got knowledge of http://www.mopria.org/ which seems simply some marketing of IPP Everywhere printers but not coming from the PWG who created IPP Everywhere.
[15:47] <willcooke> :/
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:48] <willcooke> Worked on:
[15:48] <willcooke> - Released lightdm 1.12.0
[15:48] <willcooke> - Bug triage, fixing
[15:48] <willcooke> - Away on holiday for two days
[15:48] <willcooke> Currently working on:
[15:48] <willcooke> - Preparing LightDM 1.10.2 SRU
[15:48] <willcooke> - Bug fixing for utopic release
[15:48] <willcooke> Not blocked on anything.
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:48] <willcooke> TheMuso
[15:48] <willcooke> * SPent most of this week trying to come up with a report on our Section 508 compliance WRT the Ubuntu desktop, however vague queries are vague so I could only give a general overview on where we stand.
[15:48] <willcooke> * Spent some time doing a little upstream work for the speech dispatcher project, getting a release out the door. Going forward I may want to spend more time on this given it would be beneficial for the phone as the TTS server that is used for TTS related things including accessibility.
[15:48] <willcooke> * Reviewed my revisions to the accessibility wiki documentation to see if I had missed anything obvious, could probably use some improvement, will be updating soon.
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic attente_
[15:48] <willcooke> Heyhey attente_ :)
[15:48] <willcooke> your turn
[15:49] <attente_> hi willcooke :)
[15:49] <attente_> i've been in the hospital for the past ~2 weeks, but almost back to full health and i think i'm scheduled for discharge this weekend
[15:49] <desrt> attente_: hi :)
[15:49] <attente_> Laney, i remember that bug, but wasn't able to get a working xmonad session, if you can test this branch, https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/unity-control-center/non-gnome-unity-ibus-support, it might make it work again
[15:49] <larsu> attente_: hi!
[15:49] <attente_> i'm the friend that desrt has been visiting in hospital
[15:49] <seb128> attente_, hey, nice to read that you are doing better!
[15:49] <attente_> thanks!
[15:49] <willcooke> attente_, very very happy to hear that you are on the mend.  Take it easy buddy
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic Any other business
[15:50] <willcooke> #vote should we buy Sweetshark a helicopter
[15:50] <meetingology> Please vote on: should we buy Sweetshark a helicopter
[15:50] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:51] <willcooke> -1
[15:51] <meetingology> -1 received from willcooke
[15:51] <desrt> +0.5
[15:51] <attente_> haha
[15:51] <meetingology> +0.5 received from desrt
[15:51] <Laney> -1000 # for laney please
[15:51] <meetingology> -1000 # for laney please received from Laney
[15:51] <desrt> hm.  vote isn't going too well
[15:52] <willcooke> voting ends in 5 seconds
[15:52] <Sweetshark> +0 abstain -- I might be considered biased otherwise.
[15:52] <meetingology> +0 abstain -- I might be considered biased otherwise. received from Sweetshark
[15:52] <desrt> Sweetshark: +0 or -0?
[15:52] <willcooke> #endvote
[15:52] <meetingology> Voting ended on: should we buy Sweetshark a helicopter
[15:52] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:2 Abstentions:2
[15:52] <meetingology> Motion denied
[15:52] <willcooke> Well, I can't say I'm surprised
[15:52] <willcooke> better luck next time Sweetshark
[15:52] <desrt> i voted for!
[15:52] <desrt> (weakly)
[15:53] <willcooke> Anything else from anyone before we end?
[15:53]  * desrt guesses that the +0.5 was parsed as "+0" followed by some junk
[15:53]  * willcooke waits 1 minute
[15:53] <Laney> https://medium.com/travel-adventure/what-its-like-to-fly-the-23-000-singapore-airlines-suites-class-17d9f3fee0d
[15:53] <Laney> that
[15:53] <willcooke> O_o
[15:54] <desrt> Laney: new standard for company travel?
[15:54] <desrt> maybe we ought to have a vote on this one ;)
[15:54] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:54] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 30 15:54:38 2014 UTC.
[15:54] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2014/ubuntu-desktop.2014-09-30-15.30.moin.txt
[15:54] <willcooke> right, thanks a lot guys
[15:54] <willcooke> I think the bot is a good thing
[15:55] <seb128> thanks
[15:55] <Sweetshark> meetingology is certainly the better meetbot. When we voted on my helicopter on #libreoffice-qa it crashed the meetbot there ...
[15:55] <meetingology> Sweetshark: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
[15:55] <willcooke> haha - you were saying?
[15:55] <seb128> willcooke, does it give us better logging or something?
[15:55] <desrt> Sweetshark: reevaluate your opinion yet? :)
[15:55] <willcooke> seb128, it means I don't have to grep my IRC logs for robert_ancell and TheMuso
[15:55] <seb128> willcooke, out of the voting I didn't notice we used it much in fact?
[15:55] <willcooke> I email them a dump of the log, and now it's a URL with some sort of organisation
[15:56] <Laney> It makes a little webpage
[15:56] <Laney> and it can set the channel topic if the bot has permissions ...
[15:56] <desrt> ya -- the logging is clearly the most useful part -- particularly for those who cannot attend
[15:56] <willcooke> logs don't like unicode though
[15:57] <desrt> strictly speaking, irc has no particular encoding....
[15:57] <desrt> most of the world has decided that this means that everyone ought to use utf8
[15:57] <desrt> bot disagrees, apparently
[15:57] <willcooke> it's holding out for emoji
[15:57] <desrt> actually, it may be the fault of your browser
[15:57] <willcooke> 🚽
[15:58] <desrt> this is just a text file, so if it was served without any encoding hints, your browser picks one by default
[15:59] <Sweetshark> desrt: looks like the page has an "encoding: windows-1252" hint -- which is ... *cough* oldschool.
[16:33] <Laney> seb128: can you tag&push lp:~darkxst/unity/lp1372346 please?
[16:33] <Laney> just a no change rebuild
[16:34] <seb128> Laney, bzr merge, debcommit -r, push?
[16:35] <Laney> should be bzr branch; bzr tag; bzr push lp:unity
[16:35] <seb128> I never used bzr tag
[16:35] <seb128> should I specify the version?
[16:35] <seb128> or is it clever?
[16:35] <Laney> it knows to use the changelog revision by default
[16:36] <seb128> Created tag 7.3.1+14.10.20140915-0ubuntu2.
[16:36] <seb128> seems ok
[16:36] <Laney> good old bzr
[16:36] <seb128> k, done
[16:36] <Laney> great
[16:36] <Laney> ta
[16:36] <seb128> yw
[16:36]  * Laney watches for a cheese/ppc build
[16:37] <seb128> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/revision/3875
[17:04] <Laney> see you later!
[17:05] <willcooke> later yall
[17:09] <seb128> Laney, have a nice evening!
[18:09] <excalibr> someone commented that the installer bug that wipes user's hard drives still not fixed in utopic final beta iso though it's marked as fix released in the bug report https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1265192
[19:14] <robert_ancell> jdstrand, in lightdm should debian/patches/*_apparmor-*.patch just be applied to trunk, i.e. they are no more Ubuntu specific than the current apparmor config in trunk?
[19:14] <robert_ancell> Also, could you do MPs for changes like this in the future?
[19:25] <jdstrand> robert_ancell: re MPs> yeah, you've asked me to do that in the past and I actually thought about it this time, then got distracted (sorry)
[19:26] <jdstrand> robert_ancell: feel free to apply 07_apparmor-chrome.patch and 08_apparmor-updates.patch
[19:26] <jdstrand> robert_ancell: 06_apparmor-unix.patch you may not want to apply since only Ubuntu has unix rules for apparmor
[19:27] <jdstrand> robert_ancell: on the other hand, distros can patch them out, so it is up to you
[19:27] <jdstrand> (only Ubuntu 14.10 has unix rules)
[19:27] <jdstrand> they same could've been said for dbus and 13.10 and signal/ptrace for 14.04
[19:28] <robert_ancell> jdstrand, are they going upstream? The current lightdm trunk is for lightdm 1.14 which will be for 15.04
[19:28] <jdstrand> so, up to you how you want to handle it
[19:28] <jdstrand> robert_ancell: yes, they are all going upstream. I don't know when they will be accepted
[19:29]  * jdstrand notes we are upstream for apparmor userspace, but upstream in this context I took to mean upstream kernel
[19:29] <robert_ancell> jdstrand, do you have a bug link?
[19:29] <robert_ancell> ah
[19:30] <jdstrand> robert_ancell: it will work fine with a 2.9 apparmor parser if the kernel doesn't support it. I think suse will have 2.9 in their next release, but their upcoming release and debian will have the 2.8 parser
[19:30] <jdstrand> if you aren't going to apply these, probably want to carry dbus, signal and ptrace as patches too
[19:31] <robert_ancell> OK, I'll just make a note that we require apparmor 2.9 and debian can patch out those changes
[19:31] <jdstrand> cool, thanks
[19:31] <jdstrand> it isn't like it is difficult. the Debian apparmor team is aware of this stuff
[19:31] <jdstrand> but, we are upstreaming all this stuff