| diddledan | yes, technically it's a simple emerge bash - but I'm trying to take the problem as incitement to fix more than just bash - there are many security advisories relevant to various softwares installed | 00:01 |
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| daftykins | ah ofc | 00:02 |
| diddledan | I'm trying to get to a point where we can use binary packages but the hurdle is getting everything in a suitable state for that to be useful | 00:02 |
| daftykins | ah to prevent max loading the machines at every build time? | 00:03 |
| diddledan | yeah | 00:04 |
| diddledan | and drastically reduce upgrade cycle duration | 00:04 |
| diddledan | binary packages install in a fraction of time compared to compiling everything | 00:04 |
| daftykins | *nod* | 00:04 |
| daftykins | have any of the compiles failed / resulted in a failed config? | 00:05 |
| lxf_ | have a problem with 12.04 | 00:05 |
| daftykins | ok? | 00:05 |
| daftykins | ask away with detail | 00:05 |
| diddledan | yeah, it's a very hands-on process to get things updated with sanity | 00:05 |
| lxf_ | the network icon has dissapeared from the main menu | 00:06 |
| lxf_ | how do i get it back? | 00:06 |
| diddledan | the simplest way is to reboot | 00:07 |
| lxf_ | have done that still no icon | 00:08 |
| daftykins | isn't there some right click add to panel malarkey? or is that another DE 0o | 00:08 |
| diddledan | daftykins: that's gnome | 00:08 |
| daftykins | or... checking nm-applet is installed? dunno :D | 00:08 |
| diddledan | daftykins: the network "icon" is nm-applet embedded into the "tray" | 00:08 |
| diddledan | yeah that | 00:08 |
| lxf_ | but the network is connected to wireless | 00:09 |
| daftykins | lxf_: sudo apt-get install --reinstall nm-applet | 00:09 |
| lxf_ | lxf@brianb-M7X0SU:~$ sudo apt-get install --reinstall nm-applet | 00:11 |
| lxf_ | [sudo] password for lxf: | 00:11 |
| lxf_ | Reading package lists... Done | 00:11 |
| lxf_ | Building dependency tree | 00:11 |
| lxf_ | Reading state information... Done | 00:11 |
| lxf_ | E: Unable to locate package nm-applet | 00:11 |
| lxf_ | thats what i get | 00:11 |
| daftykins | sec | 00:14 |
| diddledan | lxf_: the pacakge is network-manager-gnome | 00:14 |
| daftykins | ah my glamorous assistant has provided the answer | 00:14 |
| diddledan | I had to apt-file it | 00:15 |
| diddledan | which involved installing apt-file to begin with :-p | 00:15 |
| daftykins | if we had the bot we could !find nm-applet | 00:15 |
| diddledan | oh! | 00:15 |
| diddledan | that would be sensible | 00:16 |
| daftykins | i was about to query the one from #ubuntu | 00:16 |
| diddledan | I wonder what idiot thought that being able to find packages easily with a single command would be helpful?! | 00:16 |
| diddledan | honestly, they make it too easy these days :-p | 00:17 |
| lxf_ | do i have to reinstall the network-manager? | 00:17 |
| daftykins | run what i said, substituting nm-applet for network-manager-gnome | 00:18 |
| lxf_ | i have run that in the terminal | 00:18 |
| lxf_ | as you said | 00:19 |
| daftykins | log out and in, or reboot again | 00:20 |
| lxf_ | ok | 00:21 |
| daftykins | i think he'll be back. | 00:21 |
| daftykins | unity reset would be the next idea methinks | 00:22 |
| lxf_ | have rebooted still no icon | 00:25 |
| daftykins | unity reset time | 00:26 |
| daftykins | lxf_: https://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/10/reset-unity-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/ | 00:27 |
| lxf_ | lxf@brianb-M7X0SU:~$ apt-get nm-applet | 00:27 |
| lxf_ | E: Invalid operation nm-applet | 00:27 |
| lxf_ | lxf@brianb-M7X0SU:~$ | 00:27 |
| lxf_ | do you suggest i reset unity | 00:30 |
| daftykins | yep that's the topic of my link | 00:30 |
| lxf_ | is Compiz part of unity? | 00:33 |
| daftykins | it's all the graphical effects | 00:34 |
| daftykins | the window compositor, i guess | 00:34 |
| lxf_ | thats not the 3d cube effect? | 00:34 |
| daftykins | did you follow it yet? | 00:37 |
| lxf_ | yes and i used the restart cmd for unity in the term still no icon | 00:37 |
| daftykins | ok i give up | 00:39 |
| daftykins | test the guest account | 00:39 |
| lxf_ | ok thanks for you help | 00:39 |
| daftykins | there's also the main #ubuntu in case anyone there has further ideas | 00:40 |
| daftykins | seems there are no good volunteers in there this evening though | 00:40 |
| lxf_ | the guess accont is the same no network icon | 00:41 |
| lxf_ | what would happen if i reinstalled the network manager? | 00:42 |
| lxf_ | is there anyway to edit the main menu? | 00:42 |
| daftykins | i gave up 'cause i have no further ideas | 00:44 |
| lxf_ | ok thanks | 00:44 |
| daftykins | ask in #ubuntu, i see one good volunteer now | 00:44 |
| lxf_ | ok thanks | 00:44 |
| diddledan | I need to sleep | 02:15 |
| diddledan | but.. patching | 02:15 |
| daftykins | :D do you get paid overtime though :( | 02:15 |
| diddledan | yeah, I'm on an hourly | 02:15 |
| daftykins | day-um | 02:15 |
| daftykins | i need to go to bed, i keep getting up too late to get ready and go places to do work | 02:16 |
| daftykins | though it's not been a month since i got out of hospital yet | 02:16 |
| Bosch-Vivv | Pure angst I canny have a goat mug ;( https://twitter.com/shopcocomori/status/516675822199918592 | 03:20 |
| Myrtti | moin | 06:59 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 07:24 |
| selinuxium | morning o/ | 07:38 |
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| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 08:31 |
| knightwise | hey everyone | 08:34 |
| brobostigon | morning knightwise | 08:35 |
| knightwise | hey brobostigon | 08:35 |
| knightwise | how are you doing today | 08:35 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy International Translation Day! :-D | 08:36 |
| brobostigon | not bad at all, and you? | 08:36 |
| brobostigon | morning JamesTait | 08:36 |
| JamesTait | brobostigon, o/ | 08:36 |
| knightwise | in that case "Een goeiemorgen allemaal" | 08:37 |
| zmoylan-pi | and remember to craunch a marmoset on international translation day :-) | 08:38 |
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| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 10:01 |
| bigcalm | daftykins: It was me, ta for the link | 10:02 |
| brobostigon | morning bigcalm | 10:02 |
| bigcalm | o/ | 10:02 |
| brobostigon | o/ | 10:02 |
| DGJones | grrs, I wish people would stop rehashing old phone leaks and come up with something definitive for Nexus 6 | 10:05 |
| bigcalm | The Philip K. Dick estate authorised the use of the name? | 10:06 |
| zmoylan-pi | i thought they mentioned on twit that they weren't going to use the name nexus 6 | 10:09 |
| zmoylan-pi | as they were the 'bad' guys | 10:09 |
| directhex | they weren't bad, they were top of the range! | 10:10 |
| bigcalm | The battery life will be horrible | 10:10 |
| zmoylan-pi | apart from the whole kill people thing | 10:10 |
| directhex | they just had a strong sense of self preservation, that's all | 10:11 |
| directhex | i suggest not bend-testing a nexus 6 | 10:11 |
| bigcalm | Ha | 10:11 |
| zmoylan-pi | susan calvin would not approve | 10:11 |
| directhex | rumours are that the nexus x (6) will be a monster-sized phone. 5.5" class | 10:12 |
| directhex | was in carphone whorehouse today, wife had a chance to see the new iphones. she ranted about the iphone 6 bieng too big for her hand, so i handed her an iphone 6+ | 10:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | and then used immortal line, 'it looks like you've lost weight' :-p | 10:14 |
| DGJones | I keep seeing 2 different sizes for the Nexus 6/X, either 5.2" or 5.9" | 10:14 |
| DGJones | If its the larger, I think that will be too big for what is a "phone" at the end of day | 10:15 |
| zmoylan-pi | if you use public transport the larger size is excellent, if you drive the smaller i reckon | 10:16 |
| awilkins | I think Android L will breathe new life into older phones because of the new execution model | 10:16 |
| awilkins | My Nexus 4 may gain another few years of useful service life | 10:17 |
| dutchie | i need a replacement for my nexus 5 | 10:17 |
| dutchie | it had a little accident on a night out a few months ago | 10:17 |
| awilkins | :-( | 10:17 |
| awilkins | This is one reason I keep a Motorola RAZR in my sock drawer | 10:18 |
| directhex | i have a shortlist of 3 for my new phone | 10:18 |
| awilkins | Stag night? RAZR. | 10:18 |
| awilkins | Metal casing. Indestructible. If it gets lost or stolen I don't care. | 10:18 |
| awilkins | directhex, What's the shortlist? | 10:19 |
| directhex | iphone 6, galaxy alpha, xperia z3 compact | 10:19 |
| DGJones | zmoylan-pi: I always have a 7" tablet with me anyway so I don't really want something that big as that as phone, but I do want something with a decent sized screen, mostly looking at Galaxy S5, HTC One M8, LG G3, but new nexus will come into it if its a 5.2" screen | 10:20 |
| awilkins | Mine would probably be i) Nexus 5 ii) Whatever that Chinese superphone was iii) Nexus 6 | 10:20 |
| awilkins | iv) UbuntuFone | 10:20 |
| awilkins | Maybe I'll try UbuntuFone on my Nexus 4 | 10:20 |
| directhex | i have 29 days to sign a new contract | 10:20 |
| awilkins | Is your usage heavy? | 10:21 |
| directhex | yes, but not by choice | 10:21 |
| directhex | my cancelled contract has 750M of data, which i get through reliably. with no video, no app updates or installations | 10:22 |
| directhex | that was "no, not by choice" i.e. "i wish i could view video on my mobile" | 10:22 |
| foobarry | just web browsing? | 10:22 |
| awilkins | Oh, so heavy data but not voice? | 10:22 |
| directhex | reddit & twitter | 10:22 |
| directhex | who uses voice, in 2014? | 10:22 |
| foobarry | wowzer | 10:22 |
| awilkins | Wowzer indeed | 10:22 |
| foobarry | thats a lot of imgurs | 10:22 |
| awilkins | I use twitter a lot and rarely top 250MB | 10:22 |
| awilkins | But I don't download a lot of bitmaps outside of wifi | 10:23 |
| awilkins | So : I pay £10 a month for 1GB data | 10:23 |
| awilkins | (and view the unlimited texts and 500 minutes of voice as a trivial but useful bonus) | 10:23 |
| directhex | i also need to use my phone in the USA | 10:23 |
| awilkins | Often? | 10:24 |
| foobarry | i quit rediit | 10:24 |
| awilkins | Worth getting a USA SIM card for? | 10:24 |
| directhex | couple of times a year | 10:24 |
| directhex | for £15 a month, three will give me unlimited data in the UK and 25G in the USA. | 10:24 |
| awilkins | That's in the realms of OK | 10:24 |
| foobarry | i got addicted during my baby's early days while i sat in the nursery at 2am cuddling her to sleep | 10:24 |
| directhex | 25G of roaming data, on orange, is £0.2 million | 10:24 |
| foobarry | but managed to go cold turkey | 10:24 |
| awilkins | Contract phone or buy yourself and shove a SIM? | 10:24 |
| directhex | awilkins: leaning towards the latter | 10:25 |
| directhex | awilkins: but not until i fondle a z3c in real life | 10:25 |
| awilkins | directhex, Yeah, that's what I did with the Nexus 4 | 10:25 |
| foobarry | now i can just dip in once a week on r/modelmakers | 10:25 |
| awilkins | directhex, If your phone is reasonably priced it's deffo the way to go | 10:25 |
| directhex | awilkins: not always. a smart man does 2-year TCO calculations | 10:25 |
| awilkins | directhex, And they said "BUY A PHONE" to me :P | 10:26 |
| awilkins | Spreadsheets were used | 10:26 |
| directhex | e.g. it's about £50 cheaper to buy a galaxy alpha on a three contract, than to buy it sim-free and get a sim-only contract, both with unlimited data | 10:26 |
| directhex | whereas it's about £300 more, for the iphone 6 | 10:26 |
| directhex | (i also have spreadsheets) | 10:27 |
| directhex | z3c prices are not confirmed yet | 10:27 |
| directhex | they're £350 if you shop around | 10:27 |
| foobarry | what do premium phones offer over £150 moto g with LTE and microsim slot | 10:28 |
| awilkins | Bendability? | 10:28 |
| foobarry | serious qu. | 10:29 |
| awilkins | Not sure anything | 10:29 |
| awilkins | Offspring has a Moto G (1st gen) 16GB | 10:29 |
| awilkins | I think it was a pretty good buy | 10:29 |
| DGJones | directhex: Did you see this article at the weekend about best deals on mobiles? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29377064 | 10:29 |
| directhex | foobarry: 4.8ghz. | 10:29 |
| zmoylan-pi | bragging factor? i can't think of any real benefit but i'm biased as i use a feature phone these days and i'm thinking of dropping even that | 10:29 |
| directhex | foobarry: and double the RAM | 10:30 |
| foobarry | for games? | 10:30 |
| directhex | foobarry: waterproofing | 10:30 |
| foobarry | the premium phones don't sound 3x better | 10:31 |
| thedistance|COM | JamesTait, Nom nom at the vehiclecentre.co.uk. Worth having a goodreads.com ; http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0241954304/ | 10:32 |
| thedistance|COM | The 'lexical pointer' that just popped out is "conventional solution". | 10:32 |
| thedistance|COM | tty Back on the road for the Home of Oxford Instruments :) {or- on ze rot}pg50Line2 [GBP'4.22] | 10:32 |
| Myrtti | that's random... | 10:32 |
| awilkins | Is that some kind of spambot? | 10:32 |
| directhex | foobarry: generally speaking, "premium" products aren't better on a linear scale. a £400 graphics card is not twice as fast as a £200 graphics card. a £40,000 car is not "twice as good" as a £20,000 car. the cost of marginal improvement goes up and up and up | 10:34 |
| awilkins | Looks like it's just digested the channel log and sporked together a plausible post with an Amazon link in it | 10:34 |
| directhex | foobarry: the moto G is unusually good value, but it's not a linear scale | 10:34 |
| directhex | you can get a surprisingly good mobile for under a hundred quid. and you can buy a Kia quite cheap too. how much better than a Kia is a BMW? they both have 4 wheels and an engine, both go from A to B fine. Kias aren't bad, they're good. | 10:37 |
| awilkins | I have a Skoda for much the same reason | 10:41 |
| awilkins | It's a Volkswagen in all but name, really | 10:41 |
| directhex | yeah, that happens. chevy volt is about 5 grand cheaper than vauxhall ampera | 10:44 |
| directhex | and most small chevies are daewoo under the badge | 10:45 |
| awilkins | I had a Matiz before they were bought out | 10:45 |
| awilkins | 796cc of raw throbbing POWER | 10:45 |
| awilkins | Not one, not two, but THREE cylinders. | 10:45 |
| awilkins | Served me 13 years before it became apparent it was eating front wheel bearings faster than I wanted to pay for them | 10:46 |
| awilkins | Cost me £8500 for the top end model with air-con and a rear spoiler | 10:47 |
| zmoylan-pi | you'd got your moneys worth though by that point | 10:47 |
| awilkins | Oh, definitely | 10:47 |
| awilkins | Cheap to insure, cheap to run | 10:47 |
| awilkins | I have a Citigo now | 10:47 |
| foobarry | my neighbour has a dacia | 10:48 |
| foobarry | cheapest car out there i think | 10:49 |
| zmoylan-pi | that indian tata never made it to the uk? | 10:49 |
| dutchie | zmoylan-pi: you'd probably still save money shipping one over | 11:00 |
| directhex | zmoylan-pi: i think there are safety issues making it hard to sell in europe | 11:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | they allow mopeds to be sold :-p | 11:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | and the peel 50 was sold in the uk which had less safety features | 11:13 |
| directhex | fewer | 11:18 |
| directhex | i don't think euro NCAP was a thing when the peel 50 was sold | 11:18 |
| zmoylan-pi | true true, though you'd love to see their faces if they had to test it now :-) | 11:18 |
| knightwise | afternoon peeps | 11:46 |
| popey | yo | 11:47 |
| knightwise | hey popey :) how are you doin | 11:47 |
| popey | tickety boo! | 11:48 |
| knightwise | good to hear | 11:49 |
| knightwise | hya daubers | 11:49 |
| * knightwise almost had a little bit of a fit.. | 11:49 | |
| knightwise | almost bought a chromebook | 11:49 |
| knightwise | I recovered just in time :) | 11:49 |
| popey | i hear a fair number of linux people buy them and immediately wipe chrome off, or dual-boot it with real linux distros | 11:52 |
| knightwise | popey Thought about doing that too. | 11:52 |
| popey | i did too | 11:52 |
| popey | then I bought a thinkpad x61s second hand on ebay | 11:52 |
| knightwise | what chromebook did you try popey ? | 11:53 |
| popey | i havent | 11:56 |
| foobarry | don't get a samsung | 11:56 |
| knightwise | ah. you got the x61 .. happy with it ? | 11:56 |
| popey | yes | 11:59 |
| popey | very | 11:59 |
| popey | 60 quid | 11:59 |
| popey | chucked more ram in it, and a new battery | 11:59 |
| knightwise | SSD also helps a hellovalot | 11:59 |
| knightwise | hey everyone | 13:52 |
| knightwise | does anyone have any idea why my ubuntu 14.04 won't install any extra repositories ? | 13:53 |
| brobostigon | i was just going to make a suggestion, oh well. | 13:56 |
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| dogmatic69 | is it possible to have a 'folder' on the unity bar? | 21:39 |
| dogmatic69 | running out of space on there, prefer it to not scroll | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | not really no | 21:49 |
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