[00:01] yes, technically it's a simple emerge bash - but I'm trying to take the problem as incitement to fix more than just bash - there are many security advisories relevant to various softwares installed [00:02] ah ofc [00:02] I'm trying to get to a point where we can use binary packages but the hurdle is getting everything in a suitable state for that to be useful [00:03] ah to prevent max loading the machines at every build time? [00:04] yeah [00:04] and drastically reduce upgrade cycle duration [00:04] binary packages install in a fraction of time compared to compiling everything [00:04] *nod* [00:05] have any of the compiles failed / resulted in a failed config? [00:05] have a problem with 12.04 [00:05] ok? [00:05] ask away with detail [00:05] yeah, it's a very hands-on process to get things updated with sanity [00:06] the network icon has dissapeared from the main menu [00:06] how do i get it back? [00:07] the simplest way is to reboot [00:08] have done that still no icon [00:08] isn't there some right click add to panel malarkey? or is that another DE 0o [00:08] daftykins: that's gnome [00:08] or... checking nm-applet is installed? dunno :D [00:08] daftykins: the network "icon" is nm-applet embedded into the "tray" [00:08] yeah that [00:09] but the network is connected to wireless [00:09] lxf_: sudo apt-get install --reinstall nm-applet [00:11] lxf@brianb-M7X0SU:~$ sudo apt-get install --reinstall nm-applet [00:11] [sudo] password for lxf: [00:11] Reading package lists... Done [00:11] Building dependency tree [00:11] Reading state information... Done [00:11] E: Unable to locate package nm-applet [00:11] thats what i get [00:14] sec [00:14] lxf_: the pacakge is network-manager-gnome [00:14] ah my glamorous assistant has provided the answer [00:15] I had to apt-file it [00:15] which involved installing apt-file to begin with :-p [00:15] if we had the bot we could !find nm-applet [00:15] oh! [00:16] that would be sensible [00:16] i was about to query the one from #ubuntu [00:16] I wonder what idiot thought that being able to find packages easily with a single command would be helpful?! [00:17] honestly, they make it too easy these days :-p [00:17] do i have to reinstall the network-manager? [00:18] run what i said, substituting nm-applet for network-manager-gnome [00:18] i have run that in the terminal [00:19] as you said [00:20] log out and in, or reboot again [00:21] ok [00:21] i think he'll be back. [00:22] unity reset would be the next idea methinks [00:25] have rebooted still no icon [00:26] unity reset time [00:27] lxf_: https://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/10/reset-unity-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/ [00:27] lxf@brianb-M7X0SU:~$ apt-get nm-applet [00:27] E: Invalid operation nm-applet [00:27] lxf@brianb-M7X0SU:~$ [00:30] do you suggest i reset unity [00:30] yep that's the topic of my link [00:33] is Compiz part of unity? [00:34] it's all the graphical effects [00:34] the window compositor, i guess [00:34] thats not the 3d cube effect? [00:37] did you follow it yet? [00:37] yes and i used the restart cmd for unity in the term still no icon [00:39] ok i give up [00:39] test the guest account [00:39] ok thanks for you help [00:40] there's also the main #ubuntu in case anyone there has further ideas [00:40] seems there are no good volunteers in there this evening though [00:41] the guess accont is the same no network icon [00:42] what would happen if i reinstalled the network manager? [00:42] is there anyway to edit the main menu? [00:44] i gave up 'cause i have no further ideas [00:44] ok thanks [00:44] ask in #ubuntu, i see one good volunteer now [00:44] ok thanks [02:15] I need to sleep [02:15] but.. patching [02:15] :D do you get paid overtime though :( [02:15] yeah, I'm on an hourly [02:15] day-um [02:16] i need to go to bed, i keep getting up too late to get ready and go places to do work [02:16] though it's not been a month since i got out of hospital yet [03:20] Pure angst I canny have a goat mug ;( https://twitter.com/shopcocomori/status/516675822199918592 [06:59] moin [07:24] aloha [07:38] morning o/ === msm is now known as Guest65836 [08:31] morning boys and girls. [08:34] hey everyone [08:35] morning knightwise [08:35] hey brobostigon [08:35] how are you doing today [08:36] Good morning all; happy International Translation Day! :-D [08:36] not bad at all, and you? [08:36] morning JamesTait [08:36] brobostigon, o/ [08:37] in that case "Een goeiemorgen allemaal" [08:38] and remember to craunch a marmoset on international translation day :-) === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:01] Good morning peeps :) [10:02] daftykins: It was me, ta for the link [10:02] morning bigcalm [10:02] o/ [10:02] o/ [10:05] grrs, I wish people would stop rehashing old phone leaks and come up with something definitive for Nexus 6 [10:06] The Philip K. Dick estate authorised the use of the name? [10:09] i thought they mentioned on twit that they weren't going to use the name nexus 6 [10:09] as they were the 'bad' guys [10:10] they weren't bad, they were top of the range! [10:10] The battery life will be horrible [10:10] apart from the whole kill people thing [10:11] they just had a strong sense of self preservation, that's all [10:11] i suggest not bend-testing a nexus 6 [10:11] Ha [10:11] susan calvin would not approve [10:12] rumours are that the nexus x (6) will be a monster-sized phone. 5.5" class [10:12] was in carphone whorehouse today, wife had a chance to see the new iphones. she ranted about the iphone 6 bieng too big for her hand, so i handed her an iphone 6+ [10:14] and then used immortal line, 'it looks like you've lost weight' :-p [10:14] I keep seeing 2 different sizes for the Nexus 6/X, either 5.2" or 5.9" [10:15] If its the larger, I think that will be too big for what is a "phone" at the end of day [10:16] if you use public transport the larger size is excellent, if you drive the smaller i reckon [10:16] I think Android L will breathe new life into older phones because of the new execution model [10:17] My Nexus 4 may gain another few years of useful service life [10:17] i need a replacement for my nexus 5 [10:17] it had a little accident on a night out a few months ago [10:17] :-( [10:18] This is one reason I keep a Motorola RAZR in my sock drawer [10:18] i have a shortlist of 3 for my new phone [10:18] Stag night? RAZR. [10:18] Metal casing. Indestructible. If it gets lost or stolen I don't care. [10:19] directhex, What's the shortlist? [10:19] iphone 6, galaxy alpha, xperia z3 compact [10:20] zmoylan-pi: I always have a 7" tablet with me anyway so I don't really want something that big as that as phone, but I do want something with a decent sized screen, mostly looking at Galaxy S5, HTC One M8, LG G3, but new nexus will come into it if its a 5.2" screen [10:20] Mine would probably be i) Nexus 5 ii) Whatever that Chinese superphone was iii) Nexus 6 [10:20] iv) UbuntuFone [10:20] Maybe I'll try UbuntuFone on my Nexus 4 [10:20] i have 29 days to sign a new contract [10:21] Is your usage heavy? [10:21] yes, but not by choice [10:22] my cancelled contract has 750M of data, which i get through reliably. with no video, no app updates or installations [10:22] that was "no, not by choice" i.e. "i wish i could view video on my mobile" [10:22] just web browsing? [10:22] Oh, so heavy data but not voice? [10:22] reddit & twitter [10:22] who uses voice, in 2014? [10:22] wowzer [10:22] Wowzer indeed [10:22] thats a lot of imgurs [10:22] I use twitter a lot and rarely top 250MB [10:23] But I don't download a lot of bitmaps outside of wifi [10:23] So : I pay £10 a month for 1GB data [10:23] (and view the unlimited texts and 500 minutes of voice as a trivial but useful bonus) [10:23] i also need to use my phone in the USA [10:24] Often? [10:24] i quit rediit [10:24] Worth getting a USA SIM card for? [10:24] couple of times a year [10:24] for £15 a month, three will give me unlimited data in the UK and 25G in the USA. [10:24] That's in the realms of OK [10:24] i got addicted during my baby's early days while i sat in the nursery at 2am cuddling her to sleep [10:24] 25G of roaming data, on orange, is £0.2 million [10:24] but managed to go cold turkey [10:24] Contract phone or buy yourself and shove a SIM? [10:25] awilkins: leaning towards the latter [10:25] awilkins: but not until i fondle a z3c in real life [10:25] directhex, Yeah, that's what I did with the Nexus 4 [10:25] now i can just dip in once a week on r/modelmakers [10:25] directhex, If your phone is reasonably priced it's deffo the way to go [10:25] awilkins: not always. a smart man does 2-year TCO calculations [10:26] directhex, And they said "BUY A PHONE" to me :P [10:26] Spreadsheets were used [10:26] e.g. it's about £50 cheaper to buy a galaxy alpha on a three contract, than to buy it sim-free and get a sim-only contract, both with unlimited data [10:26] whereas it's about £300 more, for the iphone 6 [10:27] (i also have spreadsheets) [10:27] z3c prices are not confirmed yet [10:27] they're £350 if you shop around [10:28] what do premium phones offer over £150 moto g with LTE and microsim slot [10:28] Bendability? [10:29] serious qu. [10:29] Not sure anything [10:29] Offspring has a Moto G (1st gen) 16GB [10:29] I think it was a pretty good buy [10:29] directhex: Did you see this article at the weekend about best deals on mobiles? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29377064 [10:29] foobarry: 4.8ghz. [10:29] bragging factor? i can't think of any real benefit but i'm biased as i use a feature phone these days and i'm thinking of dropping even that [10:30] foobarry: and double the RAM [10:30] for games? [10:30] foobarry: waterproofing [10:31] the premium phones don't sound 3x better [10:32] JamesTait, Nom nom at the vehiclecentre.co.uk. Worth having a goodreads.com ; http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0241954304/ [10:32] The 'lexical pointer' that just popped out is "conventional solution". [10:32] tty Back on the road for the Home of Oxford Instruments :) {or- on ze rot}pg50Line2 [GBP'4.22] [10:32] that's random... [10:32] Is that some kind of spambot? [10:34] foobarry: generally speaking, "premium" products aren't better on a linear scale. a £400 graphics card is not twice as fast as a £200 graphics card. a £40,000 car is not "twice as good" as a £20,000 car. the cost of marginal improvement goes up and up and up [10:34] Looks like it's just digested the channel log and sporked together a plausible post with an Amazon link in it [10:34] foobarry: the moto G is unusually good value, but it's not a linear scale [10:37] you can get a surprisingly good mobile for under a hundred quid. and you can buy a Kia quite cheap too. how much better than a Kia is a BMW? they both have 4 wheels and an engine, both go from A to B fine. Kias aren't bad, they're good. [10:41] I have a Skoda for much the same reason [10:41] It's a Volkswagen in all but name, really [10:44] yeah, that happens. chevy volt is about 5 grand cheaper than vauxhall ampera [10:45] and most small chevies are daewoo under the badge [10:45] I had a Matiz before they were bought out [10:45] 796cc of raw throbbing POWER [10:45] Not one, not two, but THREE cylinders. [10:46] Served me 13 years before it became apparent it was eating front wheel bearings faster than I wanted to pay for them [10:47] Cost me £8500 for the top end model with air-con and a rear spoiler [10:47] you'd got your moneys worth though by that point [10:47] Oh, definitely [10:47] Cheap to insure, cheap to run [10:47] I have a Citigo now [10:48] my neighbour has a dacia [10:49] cheapest car out there i think [10:49] that indian tata never made it to the uk? [11:00] zmoylan-pi: you'd probably still save money shipping one over [11:12] zmoylan-pi: i think there are safety issues making it hard to sell in europe [11:13] they allow mopeds to be sold :-p [11:13] and the peel 50 was sold in the uk which had less safety features [11:18] fewer [11:18] i don't think euro NCAP was a thing when the peel 50 was sold [11:18] true true, though you'd love to see their faces if they had to test it now :-) [11:46] afternoon peeps [11:47] yo [11:47] hey popey :) how are you doin [11:48] tickety boo! [11:49] good to hear [11:49] hya daubers [11:49] * knightwise almost had a little bit of a fit.. [11:49] almost bought a chromebook [11:49] I recovered just in time :) [11:52] i hear a fair number of linux people buy them and immediately wipe chrome off, or dual-boot it with real linux distros [11:52] popey Thought about doing that too. [11:52] i did too [11:52] then I bought a thinkpad x61s second hand on ebay [11:53] what chromebook did you try popey ? [11:56] i havent [11:56] don't get a samsung [11:56] ah. you got the x61 .. happy with it ? [11:59] yes [11:59] very [11:59] 60 quid [11:59] chucked more ram in it, and a new battery [11:59] SSD also helps a hellovalot [13:52] hey everyone [13:53] does anyone have any idea why my ubuntu 14.04 won't install any extra repositories ? [13:56] i was just going to make a suggestion, oh well. === luke is now known as Guest44053 === Guest44053 is now known as NET||abuse === DGJones is now known as DJones === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [21:39] is it possible to have a 'folder' on the unity bar? [21:39] running out of space on there, prefer it to not scroll [21:49] not really no === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === jussi is now known as android === android is now known as jussi