[00:01] <diddledan> yes, technically it's a simple emerge bash - but I'm trying to take the problem as incitement to fix more than just bash - there are many security advisories relevant to various softwares installed
[00:02] <daftykins> ah ofc
[00:02] <diddledan> I'm trying to get to a point where we can use binary packages but the hurdle is getting everything in a suitable state for that to be useful
[00:03] <daftykins> ah to prevent max loading the machines at every build time?
[00:04] <diddledan> yeah
[00:04] <diddledan> and drastically reduce upgrade cycle duration
[00:04] <diddledan> binary packages install in a fraction of time compared to compiling everything
[00:04] <daftykins> *nod*
[00:05] <daftykins> have any of the compiles failed / resulted in a failed config?
[00:05] <lxf_> have a problem with 12.04
[00:05] <daftykins> ok?
[00:05] <daftykins> ask away with detail
[00:05] <diddledan> yeah, it's a very hands-on process to get things updated with sanity
[00:06] <lxf_> the network icon has dissapeared from the main menu
[00:06] <lxf_> how do i get it back?
[00:07] <diddledan> the simplest way is to reboot
[00:08] <lxf_> have done that still no icon
[00:08] <daftykins> isn't there some right click add to panel malarkey? or is that another DE 0o
[00:08] <diddledan> daftykins: that's gnome
[00:08] <daftykins> or... checking nm-applet is installed? dunno :D
[00:08] <diddledan> daftykins: the network "icon" is nm-applet embedded into the "tray"
[00:08] <diddledan> yeah that
[00:09] <lxf_> but the network is connected to wireless
[00:09] <daftykins> lxf_: sudo apt-get install --reinstall nm-applet
[00:11] <lxf_> lxf@brianb-M7X0SU:~$ sudo apt-get install --reinstall nm-applet
[00:11] <lxf_> [sudo] password for lxf:
[00:11] <lxf_> Reading package lists... Done
[00:11] <lxf_> Building dependency tree
[00:11] <lxf_> Reading state information... Done
[00:11] <lxf_> E: Unable to locate package nm-applet
[00:11] <lxf_> thats what i get
[00:14] <daftykins> sec
[00:14] <diddledan> lxf_: the pacakge is network-manager-gnome
[00:14] <daftykins> ah my glamorous assistant has provided the answer
[00:15] <diddledan> I had to apt-file it
[00:15] <diddledan> which involved installing apt-file to begin with :-p
[00:15] <daftykins> if we had the bot we could !find nm-applet
[00:15] <diddledan> oh!
[00:16] <diddledan> that would be sensible
[00:16] <daftykins> i was about to query the one from #ubuntu
[00:16] <diddledan> I wonder what idiot thought that being able to find packages easily with a single command would be helpful?!
[00:17] <diddledan> honestly, they make it too easy these days :-p
[00:17] <lxf_> do i have to reinstall the network-manager?
[00:18] <daftykins> run what i said, substituting nm-applet for network-manager-gnome
[00:18] <lxf_> i have run that in the terminal
[00:19] <lxf_> as you said
[00:20] <daftykins> log out and in, or reboot again
[00:21] <lxf_> ok
[00:21] <daftykins> i think he'll be back.
[00:22] <daftykins> unity reset would be the next idea methinks
[00:25] <lxf_> have rebooted still no icon
[00:26] <daftykins> unity reset time
[00:27] <daftykins> lxf_: https://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/10/reset-unity-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/
[00:27] <lxf_> lxf@brianb-M7X0SU:~$ apt-get nm-applet
[00:27] <lxf_> E: Invalid operation nm-applet
[00:27] <lxf_> lxf@brianb-M7X0SU:~$
[00:30] <lxf_> do you suggest i reset unity
[00:30] <daftykins> yep that's the topic of my link
[00:33] <lxf_> is Compiz part of unity?
[00:34] <daftykins> it's all the graphical effects
[00:34] <daftykins> the window compositor, i guess
[00:34] <lxf_> thats not the 3d cube effect?
[00:37] <daftykins> did you follow it yet?
[00:37] <lxf_> yes and i used the restart cmd for unity in the term still no icon
[00:39] <daftykins> ok i give up
[00:39] <daftykins> test the guest account
[00:39] <lxf_> ok thanks for you help
[00:40] <daftykins> there's also the main #ubuntu in case anyone there has further ideas
[00:40] <daftykins> seems there are no good volunteers in there this evening though
[00:41] <lxf_> the guess accont is the same no network icon
[00:42] <lxf_> what would happen if i reinstalled the network manager?
[00:42] <lxf_> is there anyway to edit the main menu?
[00:44] <daftykins> i gave up 'cause i have no further ideas
[00:44] <lxf_> ok thanks
[00:44] <daftykins> ask in #ubuntu, i see one good volunteer now
[00:44] <lxf_> ok thanks
[02:15] <diddledan> I need to sleep
[02:15] <diddledan> but.. patching
[02:15] <daftykins> :D do you get paid overtime though :(
[02:15] <diddledan> yeah, I'm on an hourly
[02:15] <daftykins> day-um
[02:16] <daftykins> i need to go to bed, i keep getting up too late to get ready and go places to do work
[02:16] <daftykins> though it's not been a month since i got out of hospital yet
[03:20] <Bosch-Vivv> Pure angst I canny have a goat mug ;( https://twitter.com/shopcocomori/status/516675822199918592
[06:59] <Myrtti> moin
[07:24] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:38] <selinuxium> morning  o/
[08:31] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:34] <knightwise> hey everyone
[08:35] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[08:35] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[08:35] <knightwise> how are you doing today
[08:36] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy International Translation Day! :-D
[08:36] <brobostigon> not bad at all, and you?
[08:36] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait
[08:36] <JamesTait> brobostigon, o/
[08:37] <knightwise> in that case "Een goeiemorgen allemaal"
[08:38] <zmoylan-pi> and remember to craunch a marmoset on international translation day :-)
[10:01] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:02] <bigcalm> daftykins: It was me, ta for the link
[10:02] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[10:02] <bigcalm> o/
[10:02] <brobostigon> o/
[10:05] <DGJones> grrs, I wish people would stop rehashing old phone leaks and come up with something definitive for Nexus 6
[10:06] <bigcalm> The Philip K. Dick estate authorised the use of the name?
[10:09] <zmoylan-pi> i thought they mentioned on twit that they weren't going to use the name nexus 6
[10:09] <zmoylan-pi> as they were the 'bad' guys
[10:10] <directhex> they weren't bad, they were top of the range!
[10:10] <bigcalm> The battery life will be horrible
[10:10] <zmoylan-pi> apart from the whole kill people thing
[10:11] <directhex> they just had a strong sense of self preservation, that's all
[10:11] <directhex> i suggest not bend-testing a nexus 6
[10:11] <bigcalm> Ha
[10:11] <zmoylan-pi> susan calvin would not approve
[10:12] <directhex> rumours are that the nexus x (6) will be a monster-sized phone. 5.5" class
[10:12] <directhex> was in carphone whorehouse today, wife had a chance to see the new iphones. she ranted about the iphone 6 bieng too big for her hand, so i handed her an iphone 6+
[10:14] <zmoylan-pi> and then used immortal line, 'it looks like you've lost weight' :-p
[10:14] <DGJones> I keep seeing 2 different sizes for the Nexus 6/X, either 5.2" or 5.9"
[10:15] <DGJones> If its the larger, I think that will be too big for what is a "phone" at the end of day
[10:16] <zmoylan-pi> if you use public transport the larger size is excellent, if you drive the smaller i reckon
[10:16] <awilkins> I think Android L will breathe new life into older phones because of the new execution model
[10:17] <awilkins> My Nexus 4 may gain another few years of useful service life
[10:17] <dutchie> i need a replacement for my nexus 5
[10:17] <dutchie> it had a little accident on a night out a few months ago
[10:17] <awilkins> :-(
[10:18] <awilkins> This is one reason I keep a Motorola RAZR in my sock drawer
[10:18] <directhex> i have a shortlist of 3 for my new phone
[10:18] <awilkins> Stag night? RAZR.
[10:18] <awilkins> Metal casing. Indestructible. If it gets lost or stolen I don't care.
[10:19] <awilkins> directhex, What's the shortlist?
[10:19] <directhex> iphone 6, galaxy alpha, xperia z3 compact
[10:20] <DGJones> zmoylan-pi: I always have a 7" tablet with me anyway so I don't really want something that big as that as phone, but I do want something with a decent sized screen, mostly looking at Galaxy S5, HTC One M8, LG G3, but new nexus will come into it if its a 5.2" screen
[10:20] <awilkins> Mine would probably be  i) Nexus 5  ii) Whatever that Chinese superphone was iii) Nexus 6
[10:20] <awilkins> iv) UbuntuFone
[10:20] <awilkins> Maybe I'll try UbuntuFone on my Nexus 4
[10:20] <directhex> i have 29 days to sign a new contract
[10:21] <awilkins> Is your usage heavy?
[10:21] <directhex> yes, but not by choice
[10:22] <directhex> my cancelled contract has 750M of data, which i get through reliably. with no video, no app updates or installations
[10:22] <directhex> that was "no, not by choice" i.e. "i wish i could view video on my mobile"
[10:22] <foobarry> just web browsing?
[10:22] <awilkins> Oh, so heavy data but not voice?
[10:22] <directhex> reddit & twitter
[10:22] <directhex> who uses voice, in 2014?
[10:22] <foobarry> wowzer
[10:22] <awilkins> Wowzer indeed
[10:22] <foobarry> thats a lot of imgurs
[10:22] <awilkins> I use twitter a lot and rarely top 250MB
[10:23] <awilkins> But I don't download a lot of bitmaps outside of wifi
[10:23] <awilkins> So : I pay £10 a month for 1GB data
[10:23] <awilkins> (and view the unlimited texts and 500 minutes of voice as a trivial but useful bonus)
[10:23] <directhex> i also need to use my phone in the USA
[10:24] <awilkins> Often?
[10:24] <foobarry> i quit rediit
[10:24] <awilkins> Worth getting a USA SIM card for?
[10:24] <directhex> couple of times a year
[10:24] <directhex> for £15 a month, three will give me unlimited data in the UK and 25G in the USA.
[10:24] <awilkins> That's in the realms of OK
[10:24] <foobarry> i got addicted during my baby's early days while i sat in the nursery at 2am cuddling her to sleep
[10:24] <directhex> 25G of roaming data, on orange, is £0.2 million
[10:24] <foobarry> but managed to go cold turkey
[10:24] <awilkins> Contract phone or buy yourself and shove a SIM?
[10:25] <directhex> awilkins: leaning towards the latter
[10:25] <directhex> awilkins: but not until i fondle a z3c in real life
[10:25] <awilkins> directhex, Yeah, that's what I did with the Nexus 4
[10:25] <foobarry> now i can just dip in once a week on r/modelmakers
[10:25] <awilkins> directhex, If your phone is reasonably priced it's deffo the way to go
[10:25] <directhex> awilkins: not always. a smart man does 2-year TCO calculations
[10:26] <awilkins> directhex, And they said "BUY A PHONE" to me :P
[10:26] <awilkins> Spreadsheets were used
[10:26] <directhex> e.g. it's about £50 cheaper to buy a galaxy alpha on a three contract, than to buy it sim-free and get a sim-only contract, both with unlimited data
[10:26] <directhex> whereas it's about £300 more, for the iphone 6
[10:27] <directhex> (i also have spreadsheets)
[10:27] <directhex> z3c prices are not confirmed yet
[10:27] <directhex> they're £350 if you shop around
[10:28] <foobarry> what do premium phones offer over £150 moto g with LTE and microsim slot
[10:28] <awilkins> Bendability?
[10:29] <foobarry> serious qu.
[10:29] <awilkins> Not sure anything
[10:29] <awilkins> Offspring has a Moto G (1st gen) 16GB
[10:29] <awilkins> I think it was a pretty good buy
[10:29] <DGJones> directhex: Did you see this article at the weekend about best deals on mobiles? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29377064
[10:29] <directhex> foobarry: 4.8ghz.
[10:29] <zmoylan-pi> bragging factor?  i can't think of any real benefit but i'm biased as i use a feature phone these days and i'm thinking of dropping even that
[10:30] <directhex> foobarry: and double the RAM
[10:30] <foobarry> for games?
[10:30] <directhex> foobarry: waterproofing
[10:31] <foobarry> the premium phones don't sound 3x better
[10:32] <thedistance|COM> JamesTait, Nom nom at the vehiclecentre.co.uk. Worth having a goodreads.com ; http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0241954304/
[10:32] <thedistance|COM> The 'lexical pointer' that just popped out is "conventional solution".
[10:32] <thedistance|COM> tty Back on the road for the Home of Oxford Instruments :) {or- on ze rot}pg50Line2 [GBP'4.22]
[10:32] <Myrtti> that's random...
[10:32] <awilkins> Is that some kind of spambot?
[10:34] <directhex> foobarry: generally speaking, "premium" products aren't better on a linear scale. a £400 graphics card is not twice as fast as a £200 graphics card. a £40,000 car is not "twice as good" as a £20,000 car. the cost of marginal improvement goes up and up and up
[10:34] <awilkins> Looks like it's just digested the channel log and sporked together a plausible post with an Amazon link in it
[10:34] <directhex> foobarry: the moto G is unusually good value, but it's not a linear scale
[10:37] <directhex> you can get a surprisingly good mobile for under a hundred quid. and you can buy a Kia quite cheap too. how much better than a Kia is a BMW? they both have 4 wheels and an engine, both go from A to B fine. Kias aren't bad, they're good.
[10:41] <awilkins> I have a Skoda for much the same reason
[10:41] <awilkins> It's a Volkswagen in all but name, really
[10:44] <directhex> yeah, that happens. chevy volt is about 5 grand cheaper than vauxhall ampera
[10:45] <directhex> and most small chevies are daewoo under the badge
[10:45] <awilkins> I had a Matiz before they were bought out
[10:45] <awilkins> 796cc of raw throbbing POWER
[10:45] <awilkins> Not one, not two, but THREE cylinders.
[10:46] <awilkins> Served me 13 years before it became apparent it was eating front wheel bearings faster than I wanted to pay for them
[10:47] <awilkins> Cost me £8500 for the top end model with air-con and a rear spoiler
[10:47] <zmoylan-pi> you'd got your moneys worth though by that point
[10:47] <awilkins> Oh, definitely
[10:47] <awilkins> Cheap to insure, cheap to run
[10:47] <awilkins> I have a Citigo now
[10:48] <foobarry> my neighbour has a dacia
[10:49] <foobarry> cheapest car out there i think
[10:49] <zmoylan-pi> that indian tata never made it to the uk?
[11:00] <dutchie> zmoylan-pi: you'd probably still save money shipping one over
[11:12] <directhex> zmoylan-pi: i think there are safety issues making it hard to sell in europe
[11:13] <zmoylan-pi> they allow mopeds to be sold :-p
[11:13] <zmoylan-pi> and the peel 50 was sold in the uk which had less safety features
[11:18] <directhex> fewer
[11:18] <directhex> i don't think euro NCAP was a thing when the peel 50 was sold
[11:18] <zmoylan-pi> true true, though you'd love to see their faces if they had to test it now :-)
[11:46] <knightwise> afternoon peeps
[11:47] <popey> yo
[11:47] <knightwise> hey popey :) how are you doin
[11:48] <popey> tickety boo!
[11:49] <knightwise> good to hear
[11:49] <knightwise> hya daubers
[11:49]  * knightwise almost had a little bit of a fit..
[11:49] <knightwise> almost bought a chromebook
[11:49] <knightwise> I recovered just in time :)
[11:52] <popey> i hear a fair number of linux people buy them and immediately wipe chrome off, or dual-boot it with real linux distros
[11:52] <knightwise>  popey Thought about doing that too.
[11:52] <popey> i did too
[11:52] <popey> then I bought a thinkpad x61s second hand on ebay
[11:53] <knightwise> what chromebook did you try popey  ?
[11:56] <popey> i havent
[11:56] <foobarry> don't get a samsung
[11:56] <knightwise> ah. you got the x61 .. happy with it ?
[11:59] <popey> yes
[11:59] <popey> very
[11:59] <popey> 60 quid
[11:59] <popey> chucked more ram in it, and a new battery
[11:59] <knightwise> SSD also helps a hellovalot
[13:52] <knightwise> hey everyone
[13:53] <knightwise> does anyone have any idea why my ubuntu 14.04 won't install any extra repositories ?
[13:56] <brobostigon> i was just going to make a suggestion, oh well.
[21:39] <dogmatic69> is it possible to have a 'folder' on the unity bar?
[21:39] <dogmatic69> running out of space on there, prefer it to not scroll
[21:49] <ali1234> not really no