[00:20] <mrgoodcat> anybody here really familiar with sqlalchemy?
[00:24] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: maybe
[00:26] <mrgoodcat> having trouble running out of memory
[00:26] <mrgoodcat> trying to put together a toy program to run some statistics on IRC logs for computer club
[00:26] <mrgoodcat> but the logs are pretty big
[00:27] <mrgoodcat> i'm running with just a small subset and still running out of memory
[00:31] <rick_h_> so the irc logs are in the db?
[00:43] <jrwren> if the logs are in the db, then use db aggregates.
[00:44] <rick_h_> yea, need more details to figure out what's up
[00:47] <widox> rick_h_: get your new moto x yet?
[00:47] <rick_h_> widox: no :( ship date of oct 13 but people are getting theirs early
[00:47] <rick_h_> widox: but not me yet
[00:48] <rick_h_> I was hoping it come before I head out of the country this weekend but not sure now.
[00:48] <widox> sad
[00:48] <rick_h_> yea, oh well
[00:48] <widox> you going to at&t now?
[00:48] <rick_h_> t-mobile
[00:49] <widox> oh
[00:49] <widox> I'm about to just get the verizon one
[00:49] <rick_h_> yea, will keep wife and mifi on verizon but move myself to t-mobile to try it out and gain freedom
[00:49] <rick_h_> it's only 16mb :(
[00:49] <rick_h_> at least in the store
[00:49] <widox> on Fri they released the ability to use the motomaker thingy and get 32GB
[00:49] <rick_h_> and no real moto maker  setup, I'm getting the teak wood and such
[00:50] <rick_h_> yea, some of the verizon ones were shipping before the original order ones
[00:50] <widox> that's the only reason I'm getting it
[00:50] <widox> yeah, they have one or two pre-made ones that are only 16GB still
[00:50] <widox> and they are just black or bamboo
[00:50] <rick_h_> yea, those don't appeal to me
[00:51] <widox> agreed
[00:51] <rick_h_> we'll see, also eagerly awaiting the nexux 9
[00:51] <rick_h_> hopefully some news later in oct
[00:52] <widox> perpetual anticipation
[00:52] <rick_h_> wheee
[00:52] <widox> :D
[00:55] <widox> well, I would order it. if the site was working...
[00:55] <rick_h_> lol
[00:55] <rick_h_> yea, it had all kinds of issues release day
[12:12] <mrgoodcat> morning
[12:12] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: sorry to ask a question then ditch. i was in class so i probably shouldn't have been on irc anyways
[12:15] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: all good
[12:15] <rick_h_> it's how irc works
[12:15] <mrgoodcat> i figured it out fwiw
[12:15] <rick_h_> cool
[12:18] <mrgoodcat> https://github.com/jonathanslenders/python-prompt-toolkit
[12:18] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/RF6bMp - jonathanslenders/python-prompt-toolkit · GitHub
[12:18] <mrgoodcat> python repl with syntax hilighting and multi-line editing
[12:54] <wolfger> God I love regex. That is all.
[13:10] <jrwren> greg-g: how is the new boss?
[13:11] <jrwren> wolfger: if you love regex, you'll love LL parers.
[13:21] <wolfger> Hmm. Maybe.
[13:49] <wolfger> btw: if anybody here is wanting an Ello invite, toss me your e-mail.
[13:50] <rick_h_> how about an ello nuke bomb death explosion of doom?
[13:50] <brousch_> what is ello?
[13:50] <rick_h_> run now!
[13:50] <brousch_> Is it like Yo, but longer?
[13:51] <jrwren> ad free social network: https://ello.co
[13:51] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/UZQ6zs - Ello
[13:52] <jrwren> although, they already are evil says someone: https://aralbalkan.com/notes/ello-goodbye/
[13:52] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/dskhL5 - Aral Balkan â Ello, goodbye.
[13:52] <wolfger> rick_h_: if you want a nuke bomb death explosion of doom, I'm sure the NSA is now watching you and ready to deliver. :-)
[13:54] <wolfger> Yeah, ever new thing will always have somebody ready to call it evil.
[13:59] <wolfger> Wow. So, taking money from venture capitalists == evil?
[14:00] <jrwren> wolfger: well, I used the evil word. That is my hyperbole.
[14:00] <brousch_> they sold out, man!
[14:00] <jrwren> but yes, that article is suggesting that by taking VC and offering a free service you are compromising something about your users, becuase they aren't customers.
[14:01] <jrwren> Its a fair argument.
[14:01] <brousch_> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/ello-is-already-infested-with-spammers-and-bots
[14:01] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/oO5F1W - Ello Is Already Infested With Spammers and Bots | Motherboard
[14:01] <jrwren> Investors want returns. If you aren't charging $ for something, how will you get returns?
[14:02] <wolfger> They have already stated their business plan is to sell features. So they are planning to turn their investors a profit without selling their users out. Five minutes of research would have told him that.
[14:02] <wolfger> and yeah, the spambots are as bad as they were on Twitter. They need to do something about that.
[14:02] <jrwren> wolfger: :(  internet and stuff.
[14:03] <jrwren> I have keybase.io invites if anyone wants.
[14:03] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:04] <cmaloney> Yeah, I have zero interest in Ello
[14:04] <cmaloney> I think App.net sapped any curiousity from me.
[14:20] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: do you use keybase?
[14:20] <mrgoodcat> as in actually use, not just have an account
[14:21] <aisrael> jrwren: looks interesting. I'd take an invite if you still have one
[14:31] <mrgoodcat> wolfger: ello doesn't work so great with chrome
[14:33] <mrgoodcat> i don't see any posts in friends or noise... am i doing something wrong?
[14:43] <wolfger> Hmm. None at all? That's odd. I use Chrome too.
[14:43] <wolfger> although I think maybe they are having some problems today. A post I made earlier seems to have disappeared.
[14:44] <mrgoodcat> ok
[14:44] <mrgoodcat> maybe load issues
[14:44] <mrgoodcat> i'll give them some time to figure it out
[14:44] <mrgoodcat> i tried in chrome and firefox
[14:44] <wolfger> just @'d you
[14:45] <wolfger> it's definitely not a finished product yet
[14:46] <mrgoodcat> yup. not seeing your post
[14:46] <mrgoodcat> on my profile or friends stream
[14:59] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: no, not really.
[15:04] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: same here. i made an account, but i almost never feel the need to encrypt a message
[15:05] <mrgoodcat> and since none of my friends use keybase or even know what pgp/gpg is, it would be useless to encrypt anyways
[15:05] <jrwren> aisrael: i only have your @canonical, is that oK?
[15:05] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: part of the point is it can make things easier for those friends.
[15:06] <mrgoodcat> no i get it. but nobody is going to install something just to read a message i sent them
[15:06] <mrgoodcat> especially if it takes more than one click
[15:09] <aisrael> jrwren: adam@adamisrael.com would be good
[15:09] <aisrael> but not a problem either way
[15:14] <wolfger> mrgoodcat: looks like they got it fixed. My missing post re-appeared, as did your posts
[15:16] <greg-g> jrwren: haven't met him yet :)
[15:33] <cmaloney> her
[15:33] <greg-g> eh?
[15:34] <cmaloney> I did a Google search for Wikimedia new boss
[15:34] <greg-g> Lila (ED) started a while ago (4ish months?) and I've met her/had meetins with her.
[15:34] <greg-g> VP of Engineering was announced yesterday
[15:34] <cmaloney> Ah, n/m
[15:34] <greg-g> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/09/29/damon-sicore-joins-wmf-as-vice-president-of-engineering/
[15:34] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/ui8oGZ - Damon Sicore joins WMF as Vice President of Engineering « Wikimedia blog
[15:34] <greg-g> aka, my boss's boss
[15:35] <cmaloney> sunglasses and a sweater. You're doomed. :)
[15:35] <greg-g> The Dude
[15:36] <greg-g> he, SF beaches are cold yet sunny, it makes sense ;)
[15:36] <greg-g> hey*
[15:36]  * greg-g grumbles about SF beaches
[15:52] <brousch_> Hm, why are they cold if you are so far south?
[15:52] <greg-g> brousch_: we aren't
[15:52] <brousch_> not as far south as i thought
[15:53] <greg-g> brousch_: you'd be one of the many tourists who packs wrong when the visit SF and end up buying a $30 "I <3 SF" sweatshirt ;)
[15:53] <brousch_> 55F is shorts weather
[15:53] <wolfger> +1
[15:54] <brousch_> You have to remember I grew up swimming in Lake MI
[15:54] <greg-g> sure, until the sea breeze comes in
[15:54] <greg-g> sure, that might be true
[15:54] <greg-g> but the majority of tourists think "SF" == "warm"
[15:54] <greg-g> they're wrong :)
[15:55] <greg-g> especially at 5pm where the temp drops 15 degrees in 10 minutes and the fog rolls in. Bam, out by the beach 45 minutes from your car/hotel without a jacket? you're fucked.
[15:55] <greg-g> that's why everyone wears hoodies/light jackets all the time, every day requires them, just not all day.
[15:56] <brousch_> heh
[16:03] <cmaloney> Is it too early for heavy drinking?
[16:08] <wolfger> cmaloney: it's never too early for heavy drinking, but it is situationally inadvisable if you are at work, or about to drive, or ...
[16:08] <cmaloney> I'm at work at the moment. Situationally advisable is relative. :)
[16:14] <wolfger> greg-g: mmm.... San Francisco.... http://sfcraftbeerfest.com/tix
[16:14] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/CCeDYq - TICKETS - SF Craft Beer Fest
[16:15] <wolfger> one of the things I love about work-from-home days is I can start drinking whenever. :-)  But not heavily.
[16:41] <jrwren> hence the zuckerburg zip up hoodie?
[16:43] <greg-g> jrwren: /me is wearing one right now :)
[16:45] <cmaloney> greg-g - gangsta
[16:45] <greg-g> damn it feels good
[16:46] <wolfger> :-D
[16:46] <wolfger> Hide your printers. greg-g has a baseball bat.
[16:48] <brousch_> A real gangsta-ass wikier makes his edits right
[16:48] <greg-g> haha
[16:49] <jrwren> greg-g: i'm wearing one right now too :)
[16:51]  * cmaloney is not hip enough for hoodies
[16:51] <cmaloney> I prefer my sweaters to be 100% acrylic.
[16:52] <jrwren> cmaloney: really?
[16:53] <jrwren> i prefer cashmire.
[16:54] <greg-g> wool or gtfo
[16:55] <jrwren> cashmire > wool.
[16:55] <greg-g> baaah
[16:55] <greg-g> (get it?)
[16:55] <jrwren> hehehe.
[16:55] <greg-g> :)
[16:55] <jrwren> cashmere is wool++ :)
[16:56] <greg-g> yeah, I'm just also cheap and want something I'm ok getting a hole in it
[16:56] <jrwren> ah, truth.
[16:56] <brousch_> cashmere hoodie?
[16:56] <jrwren> brousch_: that would be SWEET
[16:57] <jrwren> brousch_: now I really want one.
[16:57] <cmaloney> Apparently there are three things you don't talk about: politics, religion, and fiber-content of sweaters. :)
[16:58] <jrwren> Marino is an acceptable substitute when cashmere isn't available.
[16:58] <brousch_> Dan?
[16:58] <jrwren> you can keep that angora :p
[17:00] <jrwren> oddly, I think wool hoodies are a common fasion item in womens fasion. I don't know if I've ever seen one in mens.
[17:00] <greg-g> sexism sucks
[17:02] <jrwren> yes, what is that quote from UN floor last week?
[17:03] <greg-g> dunno
[17:04] <cmaloney> "Men and women should all know the joys of pink angora sweaters"?
[17:04] <jrwren> i'm thinking of Emma Watson's #heforshe speech. Something about men suffering at the hands of male stereotypes.
[17:04] <cmaloney> Or was that Ed Wood.
[17:04] <jrwren> I WANT A CABLE KNIT CASHMERE HOODIE!!!  SEXISM!!!
[17:05] <jrwren> i found the quote.
[17:05] <jrwren> "We don’t often talk about men being imprisoned by gender stereotypes, but I can see that they are"
[17:05] <jrwren> they can't wear ping angora cable knit hoodies!
[17:09] <brousch_> I love how Mozilla keeps fighting the open fight https://gigaom.com/2014/06/20/this-firefox-os-powered-streaming-stick-is-mozillas-answer-to-chromecast-exclusive-video/
[17:09] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/kcm0Os - This Firefox OS-powered streaming stick is Mozilla’s answer to Chromecast (exclusive video) — Tech News and Analysis
[17:12] <cmaloney> http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/09/30/ebay-to-spin-off-paypal-adopting-strategy-backed-by-icahn
[17:12] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/rYMSOH - EBay to Spin Off PayPal, Adopting Icahn's Strategy - NYTimes.com
[17:13] <cmaloney> Now eBay can finally die in peace.
[17:13] <jrwren> I love it too!  Yay Mozilla!
[17:13] <brousch_> I feel bad for using nothing from Mozilla any more
[17:14] <jrwren> you should feel terrible. I know I do.
[17:15] <brousch_> I looked at firefox OS, but it seems so primitive
[17:15] <mrgoodcat> and the firefox browser is really not fun to develop for at all
[17:19] <jrwren> its not?
[17:19] <jrwren> is it divergent that much from chrome?
[17:19] <rick_h_> no, it's a pita to work on extensions and such vs chrome
[17:19] <greg-g> I heard the Fx dev tools are leap frogging Chrome again
[17:19] <jrwren> oh! extensions.
[17:23] <cmaloney> http://www.slashgear.com/why-pebble-just-added-fitness-tracking-and-what-comes-next-30348436/
[17:23] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/NsQvZm - Why Pebble just added fitness tracking, and what comes next - SlashGear
[17:23] <cmaloney> Apparently Pebble is getting background tasks with the latest update.
[17:25] <brousch_> But they still use C for development
[17:25] <cmaloney> brousch_: Explain to me why that's a problem? :)
[17:26] <brousch_> Because I don't like C
[17:26] <widox> ff is moving their extension dev stuff away from the current Python build tool to a node/npm approach - which I guess is supposed to make for a better dev experience
[17:27] <widox> https://github.com/mozilla/jpm
[17:27] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/AmMrWI - mozilla/jpm · GitHub
[17:28] <brousch_> Just goes to show that anything that can be written in Javascript will be
[17:29] <jrwren> I love C.
[17:30] <_stink_> i just wish ff would settle on *anything* for extension dev, stick with it, and update their damn docs.
[17:31] <rick_h_> hah
[17:32] <wolfger> Yeah, Emma Watson delivered an awesome speech. But if I say, "yeah! sexism is keeping me from wearing a skirt!" it's just going to make people think that maybe sexism is a good thing after all...
[17:33] <brousch_> wolfger: Don't you wear kilts?
[17:34] <wolfger> Only at SCA events, where people don't think it's odd.
[17:34] <wolfger> also, wool kilts are too hot for casual wear. I want something lighter and less itchy.
[17:35] <jrwren> wolfger: sexism never kept me from wearing a skirt :p
[17:35] <wolfger> jrwren: I didn't realize you wore skirts
[17:36] <jrwren> wolfger: i haven't in years. Ever since that dude kicked my ass for wearing one.
[17:36] <jrwren> lol, I wish I were joking.
[17:37] <greg-g> Did ya'll ever see me with my long hair? When it went down past by shoulders?
[17:37] <greg-g> I also at one point didn't have a beard. And ran/exercised a lot.
[17:37] <greg-g> I pulled off awesome drag :)
[17:38] <jrwren> greg-g: ha! nice.
[17:39] <jrwren> greg-g: I don't think I ever knew you then. I saw a pic once.
[17:39] <wolfger> jrwren: I would posit that if you haven't worn one since you got your butt kicked for wearing one, then sexism is most certainly stopping you.
[17:40] <wolfger> greg-g: I don't think I've ever seen you without a beard. I'm not sure I can imagine it.
[17:40] <greg-g> :)
[17:40] <jrwren> wolfger: twas a long time ago.
[17:40] <greg-g> I don't think I have any digital photos of me in drag, but there's some on FB of me with long hair
[17:41] <wolfger> you can see a pic of me in a skirt on fb... no drag, either. I was dressed as Hotei for halloween (otherwise known as "fat buddha")
[17:41] <greg-g> oh right, that photo, I almost successfully forgot it ;)
[17:42] <wolfger> I naired all my hair off
[17:42] <wolfger> that was a freaky feeling
[17:42] <jrwren> someone recently posted a photo of me on FB in full drag from 19yrs ago
[17:42] <greg-g> nice
[17:42] <wolfger> when you're a hairy dude and suddenly have no hair, everything tingles.
[17:43] <wolfger> greg-g: glad I reminded you then :-D
[17:43] <greg-g> wolfger: you're making it worse now
[17:43] <greg-g> "everything tingles"
[17:43] <wolfger> good
[17:43] <greg-g> :P
[17:44]  * _stink_ tries to erase last two minutes from his brain
[17:45]  * brousch_ realizes he has wolfger on FB. Tries not to look
[17:46] <wolfger> brousch_: you know you can't resist
[17:46] <_stink_> it's like the call of the void
[17:57] <brousch_> DOS on chromebook https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dosbox-for-google-chrome/jhceknlmaggijlkkcemdaghpniimajhd?hl=en-US
[17:57] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/kNejBi - DOSBox for Google Chrome™ - Chrome Web Store
[17:57] <cmaloney> brousch_: That's awesome
[17:58] <brousch_> I thought you might have some "use" for it
[18:05] <cmaloney> Probably not.
[18:08] <cmaloney> But installed it for grins
[18:15] <jrwren> does the VGA work? can I play old Sierra games in it?
[18:23] <cmaloney> Dosbox? It's basically the foundation of 60% of the gog games site.
[18:23] <cmaloney> http://www.gog.com/
[18:23] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/3akW - GOG.com
[18:24] <cmaloney> http://www.gog.com/games##search=sierra&sort=bestselling&page=1
[18:24] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/Mlmshh - Games ● GOG.com
[18:24] <cmaloney> Though not sure if they'll run under Chrome.
[18:25] <cmaloney> I had some difficulty getting Theme Hospital running
[19:01] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[19:01] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - Bearing The Serpents Lamb by Job for a Cowboy on Genesis