[00:20] anybody here really familiar with sqlalchemy? [00:24] mrgoodcat: maybe [00:26] having trouble running out of memory [00:26] trying to put together a toy program to run some statistics on IRC logs for computer club [00:26] but the logs are pretty big [00:27] i'm running with just a small subset and still running out of memory [00:31] so the irc logs are in the db? [00:43] if the logs are in the db, then use db aggregates. [00:44] yea, need more details to figure out what's up [00:47] rick_h_: get your new moto x yet? [00:47] widox: no :( ship date of oct 13 but people are getting theirs early [00:47] widox: but not me yet [00:48] I was hoping it come before I head out of the country this weekend but not sure now. [00:48] sad [00:48] yea, oh well [00:48] you going to at&t now? [00:48] t-mobile [00:49] oh [00:49] I'm about to just get the verizon one [00:49] yea, will keep wife and mifi on verizon but move myself to t-mobile to try it out and gain freedom [00:49] it's only 16mb :( [00:49] at least in the store [00:49] on Fri they released the ability to use the motomaker thingy and get 32GB [00:49] and no real moto maker setup, I'm getting the teak wood and such [00:50] yea, some of the verizon ones were shipping before the original order ones [00:50] that's the only reason I'm getting it [00:50] yeah, they have one or two pre-made ones that are only 16GB still [00:50] and they are just black or bamboo [00:50] yea, those don't appeal to me [00:51] agreed [00:51] we'll see, also eagerly awaiting the nexux 9 [00:51] hopefully some news later in oct [00:52] perpetual anticipation [00:52] wheee [00:52] :D [00:55] well, I would order it. if the site was working... [00:55] lol [00:55] yea, it had all kinds of issues release day [12:12] morning [12:12] rick_h_: sorry to ask a question then ditch. i was in class so i probably shouldn't have been on irc anyways [12:15] mrgoodcat: all good [12:15] it's how irc works [12:15] i figured it out fwiw [12:15] cool [12:18] https://github.com/jonathanslenders/python-prompt-toolkit [12:18] http://goo.gl/RF6bMp - jonathanslenders/python-prompt-toolkit · GitHub [12:18] python repl with syntax hilighting and multi-line editing [12:54] God I love regex. That is all. [13:10] greg-g: how is the new boss? [13:11] wolfger: if you love regex, you'll love LL parers. [13:21] Hmm. Maybe. [13:49] btw: if anybody here is wanting an Ello invite, toss me your e-mail. [13:50] how about an ello nuke bomb death explosion of doom? [13:50] what is ello? [13:50] run now! [13:50] Is it like Yo, but longer? [13:51] ad free social network: https://ello.co [13:51] http://goo.gl/UZQ6zs - Ello [13:52] although, they already are evil says someone: https://aralbalkan.com/notes/ello-goodbye/ [13:52] http://goo.gl/dskhL5 - Aral Balkan — Ello, goodbye. [13:52] rick_h_: if you want a nuke bomb death explosion of doom, I'm sure the NSA is now watching you and ready to deliver. :-) [13:54] Yeah, ever new thing will always have somebody ready to call it evil. [13:59] Wow. So, taking money from venture capitalists == evil? [14:00] wolfger: well, I used the evil word. That is my hyperbole. [14:00] they sold out, man! [14:00] but yes, that article is suggesting that by taking VC and offering a free service you are compromising something about your users, becuase they aren't customers. [14:01] Its a fair argument. [14:01] http://motherboard.vice.com/read/ello-is-already-infested-with-spammers-and-bots [14:01] http://goo.gl/oO5F1W - Ello Is Already Infested With Spammers and Bots | Motherboard [14:01] Investors want returns. If you aren't charging $ for something, how will you get returns? [14:02] They have already stated their business plan is to sell features. So they are planning to turn their investors a profit without selling their users out. Five minutes of research would have told him that. [14:02] and yeah, the spambots are as bad as they were on Twitter. They need to do something about that. [14:02] wolfger: :( internet and stuff. [14:03] I have keybase.io invites if anyone wants. [14:03] Good morning [14:04] Yeah, I have zero interest in Ello [14:04] I think App.net sapped any curiousity from me. [14:20] jrwren: do you use keybase? [14:20] as in actually use, not just have an account [14:21] jrwren: looks interesting. I'd take an invite if you still have one [14:31] wolfger: ello doesn't work so great with chrome [14:33] i don't see any posts in friends or noise... am i doing something wrong? [14:43] Hmm. None at all? That's odd. I use Chrome too. [14:43] although I think maybe they are having some problems today. A post I made earlier seems to have disappeared. [14:44] ok [14:44] maybe load issues [14:44] i'll give them some time to figure it out [14:44] i tried in chrome and firefox [14:44] just @'d you [14:45] it's definitely not a finished product yet [14:46] yup. not seeing your post [14:46] on my profile or friends stream [14:59] mrgoodcat: no, not really. [15:04] jrwren: same here. i made an account, but i almost never feel the need to encrypt a message [15:05] and since none of my friends use keybase or even know what pgp/gpg is, it would be useless to encrypt anyways [15:05] aisrael: i only have your @canonical, is that oK? [15:05] mrgoodcat: part of the point is it can make things easier for those friends. [15:06] no i get it. but nobody is going to install something just to read a message i sent them [15:06] especially if it takes more than one click [15:09] jrwren: adam@adamisrael.com would be good [15:09] but not a problem either way [15:14] mrgoodcat: looks like they got it fixed. My missing post re-appeared, as did your posts [15:16] jrwren: haven't met him yet :) [15:33] her [15:33] eh? [15:34] I did a Google search for Wikimedia new boss [15:34] Lila (ED) started a while ago (4ish months?) and I've met her/had meetins with her. [15:34] VP of Engineering was announced yesterday [15:34] Ah, n/m [15:34] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/09/29/damon-sicore-joins-wmf-as-vice-president-of-engineering/ [15:34] http://goo.gl/ui8oGZ - Damon Sicore joins WMF as Vice President of Engineering « Wikimedia blog [15:34] aka, my boss's boss [15:35] sunglasses and a sweater. You're doomed. :) [15:35] The Dude [15:36] he, SF beaches are cold yet sunny, it makes sense ;) [15:36] hey* [15:36] * greg-g grumbles about SF beaches [15:52] Hm, why are they cold if you are so far south? [15:52] brousch_: we aren't [15:52] not as far south as i thought [15:53] brousch_: you'd be one of the many tourists who packs wrong when the visit SF and end up buying a $30 "I <3 SF" sweatshirt ;) [15:53] 55F is shorts weather [15:53] +1 [15:54] You have to remember I grew up swimming in Lake MI [15:54] sure, until the sea breeze comes in [15:54] sure, that might be true [15:54] but the majority of tourists think "SF" == "warm" [15:54] they're wrong :) [15:55] especially at 5pm where the temp drops 15 degrees in 10 minutes and the fog rolls in. Bam, out by the beach 45 minutes from your car/hotel without a jacket? you're fucked. [15:55] that's why everyone wears hoodies/light jackets all the time, every day requires them, just not all day. [15:56] heh [16:03] Is it too early for heavy drinking? [16:08] cmaloney: it's never too early for heavy drinking, but it is situationally inadvisable if you are at work, or about to drive, or ... [16:08] I'm at work at the moment. Situationally advisable is relative. :) [16:14] greg-g: mmm.... San Francisco.... http://sfcraftbeerfest.com/tix [16:14] http://goo.gl/CCeDYq - TICKETS - SF Craft Beer Fest [16:15] one of the things I love about work-from-home days is I can start drinking whenever. :-) But not heavily. [16:41] hence the zuckerburg zip up hoodie? [16:43] jrwren: /me is wearing one right now :) [16:45] greg-g - gangsta [16:45] damn it feels good [16:46] :-D [16:46] Hide your printers. greg-g has a baseball bat. [16:48] A real gangsta-ass wikier makes his edits right [16:48] haha [16:49] greg-g: i'm wearing one right now too :) [16:51] * cmaloney is not hip enough for hoodies [16:51] I prefer my sweaters to be 100% acrylic. [16:52] cmaloney: really? [16:53] i prefer cashmire. [16:54] wool or gtfo [16:55] cashmire > wool. [16:55] baaah [16:55] (get it?) [16:55] hehehe. [16:55] :) [16:55] cashmere is wool++ :) [16:56] yeah, I'm just also cheap and want something I'm ok getting a hole in it [16:56] ah, truth. [16:56] cashmere hoodie? [16:56] brousch_: that would be SWEET [16:57] brousch_: now I really want one. [16:57] Apparently there are three things you don't talk about: politics, religion, and fiber-content of sweaters. :) [16:58] Marino is an acceptable substitute when cashmere isn't available. [16:58] Dan? [16:58] you can keep that angora :p [17:00] oddly, I think wool hoodies are a common fasion item in womens fasion. I don't know if I've ever seen one in mens. [17:00] sexism sucks [17:02] yes, what is that quote from UN floor last week? [17:03] dunno [17:04] "Men and women should all know the joys of pink angora sweaters"? [17:04] i'm thinking of Emma Watson's #heforshe speech. Something about men suffering at the hands of male stereotypes. [17:04] Or was that Ed Wood. [17:04] I WANT A CABLE KNIT CASHMERE HOODIE!!! SEXISM!!! [17:05] i found the quote. [17:05] "We don’t often talk about men being imprisoned by gender stereotypes, but I can see that they are" [17:05] they can't wear ping angora cable knit hoodies! [17:09] I love how Mozilla keeps fighting the open fight https://gigaom.com/2014/06/20/this-firefox-os-powered-streaming-stick-is-mozillas-answer-to-chromecast-exclusive-video/ [17:09] http://goo.gl/kcm0Os - This Firefox OS-powered streaming stick is Mozilla’s answer to Chromecast (exclusive video) — Tech News and Analysis [17:12] http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/09/30/ebay-to-spin-off-paypal-adopting-strategy-backed-by-icahn [17:12] http://goo.gl/rYMSOH - EBay to Spin Off PayPal, Adopting Icahn's Strategy - NYTimes.com [17:13] Now eBay can finally die in peace. [17:13] I love it too! Yay Mozilla! [17:13] I feel bad for using nothing from Mozilla any more [17:14] you should feel terrible. I know I do. [17:15] I looked at firefox OS, but it seems so primitive [17:15] and the firefox browser is really not fun to develop for at all [17:19] its not? [17:19] is it divergent that much from chrome? [17:19] no, it's a pita to work on extensions and such vs chrome [17:19] I heard the Fx dev tools are leap frogging Chrome again [17:19] oh! extensions. [17:23] http://www.slashgear.com/why-pebble-just-added-fitness-tracking-and-what-comes-next-30348436/ [17:23] http://goo.gl/NsQvZm - Why Pebble just added fitness tracking, and what comes next - SlashGear [17:23] Apparently Pebble is getting background tasks with the latest update. [17:25] But they still use C for development [17:25] brousch_: Explain to me why that's a problem? :) [17:26] Because I don't like C [17:26] ff is moving their extension dev stuff away from the current Python build tool to a node/npm approach - which I guess is supposed to make for a better dev experience [17:27] https://github.com/mozilla/jpm [17:27] http://goo.gl/AmMrWI - mozilla/jpm · GitHub [17:28] Just goes to show that anything that can be written in Javascript will be [17:29] I love C. [17:30] <_stink_> i just wish ff would settle on *anything* for extension dev, stick with it, and update their damn docs. [17:31] hah [17:32] Yeah, Emma Watson delivered an awesome speech. But if I say, "yeah! sexism is keeping me from wearing a skirt!" it's just going to make people think that maybe sexism is a good thing after all... [17:33] wolfger: Don't you wear kilts? [17:34] Only at SCA events, where people don't think it's odd. [17:34] also, wool kilts are too hot for casual wear. I want something lighter and less itchy. [17:35] wolfger: sexism never kept me from wearing a skirt :p [17:35] jrwren: I didn't realize you wore skirts [17:36] wolfger: i haven't in years. Ever since that dude kicked my ass for wearing one. [17:36] lol, I wish I were joking. [17:37] Did ya'll ever see me with my long hair? When it went down past by shoulders? [17:37] I also at one point didn't have a beard. And ran/exercised a lot. [17:37] I pulled off awesome drag :) [17:38] greg-g: ha! nice. [17:39] greg-g: I don't think I ever knew you then. I saw a pic once. [17:39] jrwren: I would posit that if you haven't worn one since you got your butt kicked for wearing one, then sexism is most certainly stopping you. [17:40] greg-g: I don't think I've ever seen you without a beard. I'm not sure I can imagine it. [17:40] :) [17:40] wolfger: twas a long time ago. [17:40] I don't think I have any digital photos of me in drag, but there's some on FB of me with long hair [17:41] you can see a pic of me in a skirt on fb... no drag, either. I was dressed as Hotei for halloween (otherwise known as "fat buddha") [17:41] oh right, that photo, I almost successfully forgot it ;) [17:42] I naired all my hair off [17:42] that was a freaky feeling [17:42] someone recently posted a photo of me on FB in full drag from 19yrs ago [17:42] nice [17:42] when you're a hairy dude and suddenly have no hair, everything tingles. [17:43] greg-g: glad I reminded you then :-D [17:43] wolfger: you're making it worse now [17:43] "everything tingles" [17:43] good [17:43] :P [17:44] * _stink_ tries to erase last two minutes from his brain [17:45] * brousch_ realizes he has wolfger on FB. Tries not to look [17:46] brousch_: you know you can't resist [17:46] <_stink_> it's like the call of the void [17:57] DOS on chromebook https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dosbox-for-google-chrome/jhceknlmaggijlkkcemdaghpniimajhd?hl=en-US [17:57] http://goo.gl/kNejBi - DOSBox for Google Chrome™ - Chrome Web Store [17:57] brousch_: That's awesome [17:58] I thought you might have some "use" for it [18:05] Probably not. [18:08] But installed it for grins [18:15] does the VGA work? can I play old Sierra games in it? [18:23] Dosbox? It's basically the foundation of 60% of the gog games site. [18:23] http://www.gog.com/ [18:23] http://goo.gl/3akW - GOG.com [18:24] http://www.gog.com/games##search=sierra&sort=bestselling&page=1 [18:24] http://goo.gl/Mlmshh - Games ● GOG.com [18:24] Though not sure if they'll run under Chrome. [18:25] I had some difficulty getting Theme Hospital running [19:01] .np squeekyhoho [19:01] squeekyhoho's current track - Bearing The Serpents Lamb by Job for a Cowboy on Genesis