[01:45] <MiningForMac> hello?
[01:45] <MiningForMac> anyone here?
[01:45] <zmoylan-2i> yes
[01:45] <MiningForMac> I have a VERY specific ubuntu question
[01:45] <zmoylan-pi> can
[01:45] <MiningForMac> and i can't find the answer anywhere
[01:46] <zmoylan-pi> can't hurt to try
[01:46] <MiningForMac> Is there a way to empty a windows recycle bin through a bootable ubuntu flash drive?
[01:47] <daftykins> when does that scenario even come up?
[01:47] <MiningForMac> In a TV Production class where your tricaster is lagging incredibly because you have 300+ gigs in the recycle bin
[01:48] <MiningForMac> but you can't access it because the computer crashes every time you exit the program
[01:48] <MiningForMac> and the program opens on startup
[01:48] <MiningForMac> I was thinking of booting into safe mode and trying it that way, but I'm not sure if that'd work
[01:48] <zmoylan-pi> press shift while starting windows prevents windows loading programs iirc
[01:48] <MiningForMac> ...
[01:49] <MiningForMac> is this really a thing?
[01:49] <MiningForMac> I've never heard of this
[01:49] <MiningForMac> oh my god
[01:49] <zmoylan-pi> i used it in windows 3 :-) i'll check to see if it still works :-)
[01:49] <MiningForMac> I think you've solved all my problems
[01:49] <MiningForMac> I just checked, it works on XP
[01:50] <MiningForMac> also, just in general, should I start using ubuntu as my daily OS? Like is it worth getting into?
[01:50] <zmoylan-pi> this is why i hate gui's a lot of the otions are invisible unless you know the secret combo
[01:50] <MiningForMac> or are is there a better starting linux distro?
[01:50] <zmoylan-pi> well we might be biased here a smidge :-D
[01:50] <MiningForMac> lol
[01:51] <MiningForMac> what advantages would I get from using it?
[01:51] <MiningForMac> like why Ubuntu > Windows?
[01:52] <zmoylan-pi> security is better, runs on cheaper hardware, more sane software
[01:53] <MiningForMac> hmm I see
[01:54] <daftykins> MiningForMac: never... ever set software to autorun.
[01:54] <MiningForMac> but with everything running natively on windows nowadays, are those pros really worth it?
[01:54] <MiningForMac> I don't, my teacher did
[01:54] <daftykins> educate him or her ;)
[01:54] <MiningForMac> the only reason we have it is to stream our morning announcements
[01:54] <zmoylan-pi> yes, i get to decide what runs on my system and when.
[01:55] <MiningForMac> it outputs to a tv channel only within the school and an internet stream
[01:55] <MiningForMac> hmm, that does seem mighty nice
[01:55] <MiningForMac> I always see ubuntu and want to get into it, but see no point in doing so
[01:56] <MiningForMac> like I get that it's a LOT more customizable and secure
[01:56] <daftykins> runs on cheaper hardware? that might be true of xubuntu or lubuntu but hasn't been true of ubuntu for years.
[01:56] <MiningForMac> and it seems great
[01:56] <zmoylan-pi> buy a rasp pi and learn linux without having to risk a parents laptop and they're cheap.  also robotics are good on the pi
[01:56] <MiningForMac> but idk, I have no reason to switch from windows, although I want a reason
[01:56] <MiningForMac> hmm
[01:56] <MiningForMac> that might be a good idea actually
[01:57] <zmoylan-pi> i'm now looking at getting my second pi to build a netbook/pda :-)
[01:59] <daftykins> nn
[01:59] <daftykins> happy October \o
[02:00] <zmoylan-pi> let the christmas adverts commence
[02:01] <daftykins> so glad i don't use broadcast TV
[02:01] <zmoylan-pi> i ended up with my first tv in years as i had no hdmi monitor to connect to so i connected it to scart tv :-)
[02:02] <zmoylan-pi> the rasp pi that is
[06:06] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:18] <SuperMatt> morning
[06:18] <brobostigon> morning SuperMatt
[06:20] <SuperMatt> so, I was in Italy for the last week. Shellshock?
[06:22] <Myrtti> moin
[06:22] <brobostigon> moin Myrtti
[06:23] <brobostigon> SuperMatt: everything more or less, fixed and patched up.
[06:23] <SuperMatt> but I don't know what it did or how it worked
[08:21] <Myrtti> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f51yPfhQZn8
[08:24] <foobarry> SuperMatt: you probably owe your colleagues a beer
[08:42] <SuperMatt> probably
[08:42] <SuperMatt> but lots of people on my team were out when heartbleed struck, so I got my own back this time
[09:06] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Vegetarian Day! :-D
[09:29] <jpds> SuperMatt: Why were you in a trench in Italy?
[09:38] <SuperMatt> hardly in a trench
[09:39] <SuperMatt> https://plus.google.com/u/0/104760950939866700163/posts/56ekTv3dsyB?pid=6065149204656318674&oid=104760950939866700163
[09:53] <diplo> Opening your link crashed my Xorg SuperMatt :D
[09:53]  * diplo is trying again
[09:54] <diplo> ah so it was trying to scroll around a panorama :/
[09:58] <ali1234> who wants a £35 xbox voucher code?
[09:59] <davmor2> JamesTait: Yay I love Vegetarians, mind you I like them most with roast potatoes, peas, yorkshire puddings and gravy
[09:59] <JamesTait> Me too, davmor2, as long as they're of the bovine variety. ;)
[10:00] <davmor2> JamesTait: :)
[10:02]  * zmoylan-pi hogs the bacon
[10:02] <davmor2> JamesTait: I don't mind bacon sandwiches either but I understand their omnivores
[10:02] <davmor2> they're even
[10:03] <davmor2> JamesTait: and stuff vegetarian at christmas is a must
[10:03] <zmoylan-pi> pigs turn rubbish into nicest of meats
[10:03] <davmor2> stuffed
[10:05] <JamesTait> I took some bacon out of the freezer this morning, so I can have bacon sandwiches for lunch.
[10:10] <popey> ali1234: my son probably would. he never has enough minecraft skins ☻
[10:39] <foobarry> i need to learn how to microwave bacon
[10:40] <popey> Today I learned http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velology
[10:40] <zmoylan-pi> microwave bacon is ok in a pinch but it's not the same
[10:40] <Seeker`> foobarry: why not use a frying pan?
[10:41] <Seeker`> popey: seems a little late to start a collection :P
[10:41] <zmoylan-pi> because the last time he tried to microwave a frying pan it got smoky :-p
[10:41]  * Seeker` sighs at zmoylan-pi 
[10:41]  * zmoylan-pi grins at Seeker` 
[10:42] <popey> heh
[10:43] <Seeker`> popey: hows things?
[10:43] <popey> great
[10:44] <popey> see this? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2040419302/matchstick-the-streaming-stick-built-on-firefox-os
[10:45] <Seeker`> popey: chromecast without the chrome?
[10:45] <foobarry> i like grilled bacon best
[10:45] <foobarry> wondered if microwave bacon tasted any different
[10:45] <foobarry> fried bacon requires too much washing up
[10:46] <dutchie> foobarry: i agree
[10:46] <dutchie> microwave bacon is ok
[10:46] <Seeker`> foobarry: ah. I see you're missing someone to do washing up for you :P
[10:46] <dutchie> but you can't get it crispy ime
[10:46] <Seeker`> which probably also means you don't have anyone to cook bacon for you either :(
[11:43] <ujjain> If you have bupa private health care, can't you use NHS things anymore or you can? Because I think bupa care is free at my job.
[11:44] <diplo> yeah you can still use NHS
[11:44] <diplo> As you will still pay your National insurance even though you pay for private
[11:44] <popey> of course you can, yes.
[11:45] <zmoylan-pi> only the freshest leeches will be used :-p
[11:45] <Azelphur> popey: I noticed you added me on steam, but under my alt account I use for catching cheaters, I added you on my main one :)
[11:45] <popey> heh
[11:46] <ujjain> ah ok, I'll just sign up for that then.
[11:49] <Azelphur> I think I broke uplink, I started playing yesterday morning, I got the bare essentials, hacked every single bank account in the game, cleaned out the ones with any money in them, fast forwarded through the story line, put all the money I stole on the stock market, I now have 30 million credits :P
[11:49] <directhex> ujjain: bupa don't offer comprehensive care, so you *can't* use them for most things
[11:50]  * directhex catches Azelphur, locks him up
[11:50] <Azelphur> hehe
[11:50] <Azelphur> directhex: I'm thinking about cleaning out every single account in the game regardless of value, just to see what the news says.
[11:50] <ujjain> so the only good ething about bupa is that I can go to a private hospital for the ENT doctor? not even sure about that
[11:51] <ujjain> I had an operation on my ear 18 months ago, better care ewould be better I guess,
[11:51] <popey> you can also skip queues for ops if needed
[11:51] <popey> and maybe get private rooms
[11:52] <awilkins> ujjain, My perception is that private has 2 advantages  i) nicer accommodation  ii) shorter queues
[11:52] <ujjain> ah wow, that's nothing, only good if you are operated on
[11:52] <awilkins> ujjain, But aside from that, you'll be treated by NHS doctors, often in NHS facilities
[11:52] <ujjain> shorter queues for everything, right?
[11:52] <ujjain> ah right
[11:52] <popey> shorter queues can be beneficial to some
[11:52] <popey> also, you may get drugs that aren't available on nhs
[11:53] <ujjain> although queues are quite crappy on NHS, but I had a doctor only working on fridays, and on holiday for a month and they told me I couldn't switch doctors either, argh
[11:53] <awilkins> The key phrase is that it's "affecting your ability to work"
[11:53] <ujjain> ah nice popey
[11:53] <ujjain> so like cocaine?
[11:53] <popey> lolz
[11:53] <awilkins> Cocaine is available on NHS! It's routinely used in opthalmic surgery.
[11:53] <ujjain> and they might pay for more boots drugs, right?
[11:53] <ujjain> instead of paying yourself?
[11:53] <popey> like expensive treatments that the NHS can't afford or choose not to use
[11:54] <ujjain> yeah, right
[11:54] <ujjain> I heard bupa paid 2k to people so they would use NHS instead of them for operation
[11:54] <popey> i haven't had to go private for anything so far in my life and I'm 42.
[11:54] <popey> perhaps in 20 years that might be different
[11:54]  * awilkins likewise
[11:55] <ujjain> and you have paid monthly for many years something like 50-100 per month?
[11:55] <awilkins> My only operation involving an anaesthetic has been my wisdom teeth which I needed out in my early 30s
[11:55] <directhex> i got bupa to pay for physio when my shoulder hurt
[11:55] <awilkins> I waited 6 weeks for the op, which I didn't think too onerous (although they were really ruining my ability to work)
[11:56] <awilkins> I have a new job and if they offer me private healthcare I will seriously think about turning it down, just on the grounds that I think it harms the NHS
[11:56]  * awilkins has worked for the NHS much of his working life
[11:57] <awilkins> That said, if the Tory plan to destroy the NHS comes to fruition, I am not so stupid as to cut off my nose to spite my face
[11:58] <awilkins> popey, I think the opposite is true in some cases about expensive treatment - BUPA don't want to foot the bill for complex and uncommon surgeries and will defer the cases to the NHS
[11:59] <popey> ujjain: i dont have private health care, never have
[11:59] <awilkins> Private health companies in general want the common, predictable, assembly-line medicine they can make a sure profit margin on
[11:59] <ujjain> ah right.
[11:59] <popey> ujjain: but you can on-demand go private for some things
[11:59] <ujjain> yeah, I've heard, they given you a better price if you say you have no privatea health insurance and have to pay yourself
[11:59] <popey> e.g. my father in law has back surgery, he went private for that
[12:00] <awilkins> ujjain, In the case of the USA, you'd best be prepared to negotiate (and that's one of the major roles your insurer fills)
[12:00] <ujjain> US seems like a nightmare when it comes to costs of health care and education.
[12:01] <awilkins> Yes, it is. By design, I feel.
[12:02] <awilkins> http://www.uta.edu/faculty/story/2311/Misc/2013,2,26,MedicalCostsDemandAndGreed.pdf
[12:02] <christel> the NHS is brilliant.
[12:03] <awilkins> There have been many enormous protest marches in the last few years over what the incumbent government has done to the NHS
[12:03] <awilkins> Sadly you don't see them reported on in mainstream media
[12:04] <awilkins> I was at one in Manchester last year. Oxford road (if you know it) was nothing but a sea of banners from the heart of the city, through the university district, down to the park near the Royal Infirmary.
[12:04] <christel> i've had surgery on the NHS and i've had surgery at a private hospital as a private patient -- bar being given a drug menu for postoperative analgesics i can't say that the quality of care was in any way or form better when i went private
[12:04] <awilkins> Over 50,000 people by the police count
[12:04] <awilkins> They gave that protest a 2 minute slot on the local news, and shot the crowd across a narrow street from a low angle to make it look like a mothers meeting.
[12:09] <ujjain> A lot of people truly love the NHS, but I haven't been that impressed by my GP and hospital, they ignore phone calls always.
[12:11] <awilkins> Having worked on the clinical side - they are doing their best with what they have.
[12:12] <awilkins> What they have, sadly, has been greatly curtailed by the government.
[12:18] <christel> ujjain: as in, your calls are not being answered or you do not receive a call back?
[12:18] <ujjain> lnot being answered
[12:19] <ujjain> i have to try 5 times a day
[12:19] <ujjain> for days
[12:19] <ujjain> at least the GP is close to my house, 50 meters and waiting time is <30min, so pretty acceptable still
[12:19] <ujjain> just the phone communication bothers me, and 2 month queue for ent appointment
[12:21] <christel> *nod* yeah, i find with my GP surgery i have to make sure to call within a specific window in the early morning if i want to get through/make an appointment, etc.
[12:21] <christel> sorry you're having to wait so long to see an ENT specialist
[12:22] <ujjain> yeah, 5 weeks until hospital processed the referreal
[12:22] <christel> the only thing that really grates at me is how slow it takes to get medical records from surgery a to surgery b when moving!
[12:22] <ujjain> then another 5-6 weeks, etc.
[12:22] <christel> (i moved from surrey to somerset in march -- my GP has still not received a copy of my medical records from my previous GP surgery)
[12:24] <ujjain> ah yeah
[12:24] <ujjain> in holland my GP lost it, :p
[12:24] <ujjain> so it's not a just UK thing haha :p
[12:27] <christel> haha
[12:46] <ujjain> Can you withdraw from your pension? I'm thinking of adding 5% of my income to my pension, as it's taxed 40% right now anyway, just wondering if I could withdraw some if I needed, even if it'd cost 40%
[12:48] <Myrtti> I've no idea how things work in here but nothing stops you from using different investment/savings instruments...
[12:49] <ujjain> If you break these rules you'll be charged 55 per cent tax. And if you don't tell us about it in good time, you may have to pay penalties on top.
[12:49] <ujjain> Even if you've reached 55 there are still rules as to how you can take your pension pot without being liable to a tax charge.
[12:49] <ujjain> uh,
[12:50] <Myrtti> I'm in Finnish taxation and national insurance so I'm still using my Finnish accounts and savings methods.
[12:50] <Myrtti> I'm putting 90€ on voluntary pension scheme a month, and 75€ each to two different investment funds a month
[12:50] <Myrtti> aforementioned I can't touch
[12:50] <ujjain> ah right.
[12:50] <Myrtti> but things are probably different in UK.
[12:59] <daftykins> excuse me i appear to have stepped into #finance-advice instead of #ubuntu-uk...
[12:59] <daftykins> hang on a minute O_O
[13:00] <christel> :o
[13:00] <directhex> isn't linux cool! you can compile kernels!
[13:00] <popey> That's what I like about this channel. Discussion of Ubuntu is almost never topic of the day.
[13:00] <daftykins> :D
[13:00] <Guest3848> finance advice is standard acceptable chat
[13:00] <Guest3848> what
[13:00] <daftykins> yeah i get tired of the nazi like regime in #ubuntu :/
[13:00] <Guest3848> who is guest
[13:00] <popey> er
[13:00] <popey> now now.
[13:01] <Guest3848> christ who stole my nick
[13:01] <popey> lets not equate irc to systematic destruction of people
[13:01] <daftykins> :P
[13:01] <popey> and to be fair you can be somewhat grumpy in there
[13:01] <daftykins> haha, yes, very true
[13:02] <daftykins> last night there was a bot/troll that joined in both #ubuntu asking for when the new version would be out - and in #xbmc at the same time asking the same
[13:02] <arsenip> i can't handle the ubuntu chan
[13:02] <arsenip> :<
[13:02] <daftykins> it's a wonder that there are people out there who actually find nothing better to do than to waste time like that
[13:02] <Myrtti> I could, but I haven't wanted to for months
[13:03] <daftykins> i still like to help but the idiot critical mass gets too much at times
[13:03] <christel> welcome to the internet :s
[13:03] <arsenip> i caiv enever been one for rigid rules from opers :p
[13:03] <Myrtti> I had to stop when I couldn't tell which side of the triangle had the most idiots.
[13:04] <daftykins> arsenip: ;)
[13:04] <Myrtti> arsenip: opers or ops?
[13:04] <arsenip> ops
[13:04] <arsenip> :)
[13:04] <Myrtti> I still have sympathies for everyone in #ubuntu
[13:04] <Myrtti> I just can't do it right now.
[13:04] <arsenip> now to figure out how to get my nick back
[13:04] <arsenip> pretty sure it's protected
[13:04] <Myrtti> in fact, this is the only Ubuntu channel I can withstand at the moment.
[13:04] <christel> i like your current nick
[13:05] <christel> it makes me smile
[13:05] <daftykins> XD
[13:05] <daftykins> it was all about arsensen
[13:05] <daftykins> totally has nothing to do with me having come up with it all those years ago :P
[13:06] <arsenip> tbh Myrtti - most heavily technical channels i find have similar stalin'esque regimes controlling them
[13:06] <arsenip> parsenip, daftykins
[13:06] <arsenip> :D
[13:06] <Myrtti> arsenip: if they're as big as #ubuntu, I can't see how they could even be anything else
[13:06] <arsenip> why is it - when i forget to log in to nickserv - it happily forces me to change my nick
[13:06] <arsenip> but when someone steals my nick ... noooo nickserv nowhere to be seen
[13:06] <Myrtti> not going to detail how different ops enforce the rules
[13:07] <Myrtti> but still
[13:07] <diplo> christel, you're in Somerset now ?
[13:07] <daftykins> arsenip: XD
[13:07] <christel> diplo: yesss!
[13:07] <arsenip> Myrtti  - ive never been one to subscribe to IRC hierarchy, i still work on the assumption irc is like IRL
[13:07] <christel> i'm in the chew valley, surrounded by cows
[13:07] <christel> (quite literally surrounded by cows)
[13:07] <diplo> Where abouts? If you .. beat me
[13:07] <diplo> :D
[13:07] <christel> moved to a teeeny little village called compton dano
[13:07] <daftykins> christel: i bet they're not even Guernsey golds
[13:07] <christel> dando*
[13:07] <christel> absolutely LOVE it here
[13:08] <foobarry> #ubuntu is a motorway, #ubuntu-uk is a country lane
[13:08] <arsenip> ^
[13:08] <diplo> Ah I know it! Not toooo far away
[13:08] <christel> we should beer!
[13:08] <diplo> Sounds good, I'm in Trowbridge, just the other side of Bath
[13:08] <christel> :D
[13:08] <daftykins> i had my first pint last night since the hospital ;_; that is to say, being in hospital... they didn't have a bar at the hospital
[13:08] <Myrtti> foobarry: I've not had it explained better
[13:09] <christel> daftykins: i wish they had bars at hoospitals
[13:09] <Myrtti> applause to you.
[13:09] <christel> i'd go there a lot more!
[13:09] <daftykins> XD
[13:09]  * foobarry bows
[13:09] <daftykins> "another tumble down the stairs christel? very well here's your booze delivery for breakfast"
[13:09] <diplo> Why have you moved christel ? Work ?
[13:10] <arsenip> i doth not understandings. Apparently i'm always arsenip. makes no sensing to me.
[13:10] <arsenip> brainfart.
[13:10] <arsenip> i think most non-serious injuries would dissapear if ther were a bar in hospital A&E's
[13:12] <christel> diplo: i work from home so i took work with me -- gareth is from bristol originally so we decided to head back to the west country to be closer to family before david started school :)
[13:15] <daftykins> some of my friends over here are still using the old ADSL2+ service that's only 16/0.75Mb - i went to look at ones setup last night, where the router said it was only syncing at 8Mb
[13:15] <daftykins> hilariously they had two routers networked together by cable, so you got online only if the primary one connected to the DSL service responded quicker to the DHCP request
[13:16] <daftykins> quickly killed DHCP on the second once i worked out what was going on :D
[13:16] <daftykins> then i took to the half-speed situation, firmware updates... current: v1.02.xx - new: v2.02.xx
[13:16] <daftykins> 8Mb turned into 13Mb with 2 minutes effort \o/
[13:18] <diplo> Ah nice, better schools here than down in the SE :D
[13:18] <christel> diplo: he's going to marksbury which is brilliant :)
[13:18] <christel> so i am chuffed with that!
[13:18] <diplo> Just down the road for you then
[13:19] <christel> yeah, not at all far -- they even do a compton dando mini-bus service so we don't even have to drop/collect, he gets picked up on the doorstep
[13:20] <christel> and he absolutely LOVES school (fingers crossed he continues to love it for some time seeing how he's got another 12 years to go!)
[13:20] <diplo> Blimey great service! How old is he now, last time I saw him was at popeys BBQ
[13:21] <christel> 4 and a half! just started reception :)
[13:21] <daftykins> cor i don't envy anyone starting the grind right over
[13:22] <arsenip> its less of a grind at 4yo :p
[13:22] <christel> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10646741_10152651497210937_3153305172141467762_n.jpg?oh=2af3b7353b953a1f9f96f8d14e1896c3&oe=54CF0FDD&__gda__=1418241160_e1a3514256e041e4fe227ad080c6103d first day of school, waiting for the bus in the morning! :)
[13:22] <christel> diplo: how old are your boys now? :)
[13:22] <popey> awwww
[13:23] <diplo> Harry is 6 and Tom just turned 8 on Sunday
[13:23] <diplo> God he's changed!
[13:23] <christel> i know! he is growing up so fast!
[13:23]  * diplo doesn't do very well on photos, see if I can find my kiddos
[13:26] <diplo> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10509479_628989883863606_4386114759863573979_n.jpg?oh=18b94b0834b61d445c173d14e5a2a913&oe=54C666C0&__gda__=1421275420_ac2ad2bee6e436717dcf5c698ef0318b
[13:26] <diplo> That's Thomas
[13:26] <christel> AWW :D
[13:27] <arsenip> oh how times are terrible
[13:27] <arsenip> i'd feel wrong for opening a link of someone elses kids
[13:27] <arsenip> just because its a computer
[13:27] <arsenip> goddamn mainstream media.
[13:27] <diplo> https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/251806_316855118410419_39672016_n.jpg?oh=8730aa2b125b47cb79c07de5ac09cc92&oe=54C182B1&__gda__=1421268856_f824e45e28d62b79ab72d5648437ade0
[13:27] <diplo> :D
[13:27] <daftykins> arsenip: i understand what you mean, strange isn't it
[13:27] <arsenip> yep
[13:27] <diplo> That was last year, I can't find uploaded copies
[13:27] <christel> oh they are lovely :D
[13:28] <arsenip> kids are awesome
[13:28] <arsenip> especially 3-6yo
[13:28] <diplo> daftykins, arsenip : Image this, I'm a single dad and quite often I can have up to 12-15 kids come round my house to play, majority of them girls
[13:28] <arsenip> under 3 = crying, over 7 = bratty
[13:28] <diplo> I'm pretrified most of the times
[13:28] <arsenip> lol diplo
[13:28] <directhex> blurg
[13:28] <arsenip> you should be able to apply for a "please dont investigate me" license
[13:28] <diplo> Not of the kids, more of the young girls in a house with a male
[13:29] <daftykins> diplo: you must be gold to single mums ;) *ahem* anyway enough of that
[13:29] <diplo> So each time a 'new friend' turns up I go to the parents house and let them know who I am, give them mobile and everything and text them to let them know their kids are with me
[13:29] <daftykins> diplo: that's very wise
[13:29] <christel> arsenip: you should meet my daughter! she doesn't do crying -- she does a lot of GRINNING LIKE A MANIAC and shouting (happily) loudly
[13:29] <christel> admittedly i do suspect she might be a bit simple
[13:29] <diplo> I'm much more easy going than all the other parents it seems, so my house is like a magnet to kids
[13:30] <christel> because i am sure she isnt supposed to be so bloody cheerful all the time
[13:30] <daftykins> christel: d'aww, a little hellraiser in the budding
[13:30] <christel> https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/251806_316855118410419_39672016_n.jpg?oh=8730aa2b125b47cb79c07de5ac09cc92&oe=54C182B1&__gda__=1421268856_f824e45e28d62b79ab72d5648437ade0
[13:30] <arsenip> lol made me laugh christel
[13:30] <arsenip> sounds like a good kid to have.
[13:30] <Myrtti> christel: time to consider getting a shotgun, then
[13:31] <christel> she has just worked out that whole walking thing -- i fear my life is about to become much more complicated!
[13:31] <christel> :)
[13:31] <daftykins> christel: you need to start plotting your productivity on a graph
[13:31] <diplo> christel : +1 - I always say to parents you shouldn't really wish them to walk
[13:31] <diplo> Your life will become even more hard :D
[13:32] <davmor2> christel: no that is what prison cell ermmm play pens are there for ;)
[13:34] <christel> david was quite easygoing (he was careful) at her age ... she is just complete and utterly insane
[13:34] <christel> i can't turn my back on her for two seconds as stuff like https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10487574_10152515257690937_9029092255154474954_n.jpg?oh=f72a0fb6265c119a840470211e66e2ad&oe=548878C6 happens
[13:34] <daftykins> :O
[13:35] <daftykins> my cat is plenty responsibility for me
[13:37] <christel> hehe
[13:52] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/517266067614621696
[13:52] <diddledan> morning
[13:54] <daftykins> XD
[13:54] <daftykins> that was not checked.
[14:23]  * awilkins laughs
[14:23] <awilkins> Also : genuis (some foul language) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YBumQHPAeU
[14:35] <diddledan> awilkins: funny
[14:43] <Laney> I just absent mindedly cleaned my teeth and didn't realise I was doing it until spitting at the end
[14:45] <daftykins> surely you noticed with the whole bathroom walk? 0o
[14:46] <arsenip> gotta love morning autopilot.
[14:48] <Laney> I went to wash my hands after using the loo and then ended up cleaning my teeth too
[14:48] <diddledan> seriously offtopic, but the windows 10 reveal is in video on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfveyXCsiA8&feature=youtu.be&list=UUVGOyzms_XJNk_DHqrffXCw
[14:51] <Seeker`> diddledan: yeah, we've just had a short interlude about brushing teeth, and then you think that something OS-related is seriously offtopic? :P
[14:51] <diddledan> lol
[14:53] <diddledan> it seems ms are mirroring apple with os X vs windows 10 - os x was the last major release with multiple incrementals since and that's what ms seem to want to do
[14:53] <diddledan> so that probably means we'll end up with windows 10.10
[14:53] <diddledan> yosemite :-p
[14:55] <awilkins> Wow, WIndows 10.10 when we're on Ubuntu 14.10 soon :P
[14:55] <awilkins> COME TO THE PURPLE SIDE, WINDOWS GUYS
[14:55] <arsenip> purple?
[14:56] <diddledan> orange, surely?
[14:56] <arsenip> windows users can move to mac or ubuntu really
[14:56] <awilkins> Really?
[14:56] <awilkins> I thought it had all gone purple
[14:56] <arsenip> i'm personally of the opinion that ubuntu isnt very suited to enterprise, but maybe thats just me
[14:56] <directhex> aubergine.
[14:56] <directhex> announcing new Enterprise SteamOS!
[14:57] <directhex> control your access rights with Steam Groups, the smart person's alternative to Active Directory!
[14:57] <awilkins> arsenip, I've of the opinion that "Enterprise" is harmful for my personal productivity, maybe that's just me :-)
[14:57] <arsenip> for home use - definitely awilkins
[14:57] <awilkins> arsenip, Not just home, I use it for work, and get far more done than I would using the standard issue OS
[14:58] <arsenip> ah yes - but do you use it standalone at work, or part of any 'enterprise' services?
[14:58] <awilkins> arsenip, Standalone but it can consume the enterprise services I need (with a little effort in some cases)
[14:58] <awilkins> There are some things that I fall back to the Windows laptop for
[14:58] <arsenip> i dont dissagree, i like ubuntu - dont get me wrong - i am in here :)
[14:58] <awilkins> Evil things. Things that need IE to work.
[14:59] <arsenip> but i'd not consider ubuntu outside of desktop/laptop use.
[14:59] <diddledan> "group policy" invented for enterprises made IS departments think they needed to lock everything down
[14:59] <awilkins> We run a few servers on it
[14:59] <arsenip> or 'home server' via ubuntu server
[14:59] <awilkins> These servers are typically the happiest and least-touchy ones
[15:00] <diddledan> "ooh, we can make people change their passwords regularly? let's set that to hourly!"
[15:00] <awilkins> The windows ones get rebooted all the time and periodically broken by ICT (who are their overlords)
[15:00] <awilkins> The Ubuntu ones they won't touch in case they catch Linux Cooties.
[15:00] <awilkins> They have much better uptime.
[15:00] <diddledan> oh dear, that's nasty, the linux cooties
[15:01] <diddledan> you can't get rid of them easily
[15:01] <diddledan> once the genie is out it's very difficult to lock-down again
[15:01] <awilkins> My new employer has seen fit to order me a laptop and a bunch of Windows productivity software
[15:01] <diddledan> \o/
[15:01] <diddledan> yey?
[15:01] <arsenip> i have a work mac, and i does what i wants with it :D
[15:02] <awilkins> They asked if I wanted anything else to put on it
[15:02] <directhex> i have no windows license for work
[15:02] <awilkins> I said "Linux" ... :P
[15:02] <arsenip> i couldnt ever use windows for anything other than gaming now
[15:02] <arsenip> :/
[15:02] <awilkins> Yeah, that's my primary use for Windows
[15:02] <awilkins> The gaming is even creeping into the Linux though
[15:02] <foobarry> hardly touched win at work or home in 10yrs now
[15:02] <diddledan> unfortunately I like to use photoshop to generate assets from designs made by our designers - it's easier for me to pull them out myself at times
[15:03] <awilkins> Have Neverwinter Nights installed on my "house" laptop and it runs fine even on the Intel chip
[15:03] <arsenip> i need some more steam mac games
[15:03] <arsenip> for when im travelling
[15:03] <awilkins> If it was my setup I'd probably keep a Windows VM
[15:04] <arsenip> understandable, there's always something that demands windows
[15:04] <awilkins> One happy advantage being that you could move it between hardware without it complaining about licensing...
[15:04] <arsenip> usually some crappy software.
[15:04] <awilkins> I have a WinXP VM just for VB6
[15:04] <diddledan> VB6! \o/
[15:04] <arsenip> :(
[15:04] <awilkins> VB6 is a PITA to set up and configure to be good
[15:04] <awilkins> ish
[15:04] <diddledan> VB6 was awesome
[15:05] <diddledan> it's fugly now tho
[15:05] <awilkins> I've still only ever managed to get integrated debugging with ASP / VBScript working once, and man, was that some dark voodoo
[15:05] <diddledan> I remember making VB6 CGI apps
[15:05] <awilkins> Main advantage to VB6 was that with a few choice libraries you could knock out a GUI app really quickly
[15:06] <awilkins> Which still holds true for C# and other .NET langs I suppose
[15:06] <diddledan> yeah, c# and vb.net are quite nice, actually
[15:06] <awilkins> The GUI dev toolkits for most things are a total joke
[15:06] <arsenip> usually
[15:06] <awilkins> MS correctly got with the program and did a GUI toolkit that works well with version control
[15:07] <awilkins> ie code-behind files for .NET forms
[15:07] <arsenip> i find large hardware manufacturers tend to build management software that relies on windows and/or IE
[15:07] <awilkins> Everyone else is still scrabbling to make a GUI dev toolkit that actually works well
[15:07] <awilkins> arsenip, Ick, yes. We had some IBM servers that the management GUI for the lights-out card only works on IE
[15:07] <awilkins> And a particular version of IE
[15:08] <awilkins> When you've downloaded the right DLLs
[15:08] <arsenip> :)
[15:08] <arsenip> exactly.
[15:08] <diddledan> IE6 is common pre-req for enterprise web apps
[15:08] <directhex> vb.net is evil and wrong.
[15:08] <awilkins> Our cheif sysadmin keeps a VM just for that tool
[15:08] <awilkins> VB.NET is evil and wrong and I refused to learn it
[15:08] <awilkins> It's almost but not entirely unlike VB6
[15:08] <directhex> vb6 is eviler and wronger
[15:08] <arsenip> i had a VM for the same for a fujitsu infrastructure management tool
[15:08] <awilkins> Yeah, but VB6 will be the COBOL of our generation
[15:08] <arsenip> though i did a naughty and deleted it from my PC when i left
[15:09] <arsenip> though they deserved it.
[15:09] <awilkins> If I wipe out my VB6 knowledge with VB.NET I'm doing myself out of my retirement fund
[15:09] <awilkins> I'm seriously contemplating just doing a full crypto wipe of my work-issue laptop when I leave
[15:09] <awilkins> They'll re-image it anyway
[15:10] <awilkins> Ever since I discovered they were MITM attacking all our SSL I stopped using any kind of personal account on it
[15:10] <awilkins> They're running all our VoIP through a freaking SIGINT program as well
[15:10] <awilkins> And all our internal phones are VoIP
[15:11] <daftykins> this is clever http://xkcd.com/1427/
[15:11] <awilkins> I don't work for GCHQ or any other kind of high-security agency
[15:12] <daftykins> awilkins: why are they doing that?
[15:12] <awilkins> daftykins, I have no idea WHY
[15:12] <daftykins> surely one would demand answers from an employer
[15:12] <awilkins> I just know they ARE because we get the ICT changelogs and they are moaning about not being able to copy the data to the right SAN node
[15:12] <awilkins> So I looked up the product name (curious as to why they needed to retain a load of VoIP data)
[15:13] <awilkins> We asked about the MITM on the SSL
[15:14] <awilkins> We created a support ticketc for it
[15:14] <awilkins> It just got closed, no comments
[15:14] <arsenip> awilkins  - i had the same in my last role
[15:14] <arsenip> MITM ssl via <wahtever the california named firewall company is called - i forget>
[15:14] <arsenip> palo alto networks.
[15:14] <awilkins> (it was breaking some of our tools because they check certificates and the root CA list didn't have their mickey-mouse self-signed one in it)
[15:14] <awilkins> WebSense?
[15:15] <awilkins> Even when we leave the building, the laptop is configured to send traffic through their servers
[15:15] <arsenip> heh nice.
[15:15] <awilkins> The firewall is also configured to block EVERYTHING
[15:15] <arsenip> palo alto does SSL/SSH decrypt
[15:15] <arsenip> i noticed one day
[15:16] <arsenip> because a 'senior' sysadmin from our umbrella corp (who basically only existed to provide us internet..) told me he knew i was on IRC talking about buying a bicycle
[15:16] <daftykins> >_<
[15:17] <arsenip> so i set the motd on my dedi server to "<my company name> IT dept sucks d***" :)
[15:17] <arsenip> every time i log in...
[15:17] <daftykins> \o/
[15:17] <arsenip> makkes me laugh anyway.
[15:17] <arsenip> idiots.
[15:17] <diddledan> lol
[15:17] <diddledan> sucking dogs, eh?
[15:17] <diddledan> :-p
[15:17] <arsenip> not like they can complain about what it says - they shouldnt me monitoring it.
[15:18] <diddledan> yeah, we've got enough problems with GCHQ and NSA and various other countries' agencies
[15:19] <diddledan> now please bare with me while I use google
[15:19] <diddledan> :-p
[15:19] <diddledan> am I hypocrite? yes, yes I am
[15:19] <diddledan> damn j00 nsa/gchq - google? have all my things
[15:28] <foobarry> bare with you? take our clothes off?
[15:30] <diddledan> if you like
[15:30] <diddledan> only make sure you take some explicit photos for icloud
[15:31] <foobarry> done
[15:31] <diddledan> now tell me how to hack icloud?
[15:31] <foobarry> you want to see a naked foobarry ?
[15:32] <diddledan> not me, but surely someone somewhere on the net does?
[15:32] <daftykins> good lord man, think of the children that might inadvertently see this conversation!
[15:32] <foobarry> they might be able to help
[15:32] <daftykins> ;)
[15:32] <diddledan> like Jennifer Lawrence
[15:32] <diddledan> it's in the public interest
[15:33] <diddledan> speaking of which, did the mirror publish the photo that the tory mp took of his tackle and sent to their reporter?
[15:35] <diddledan> I think if a random woman started talking to me inciting me to send her a n0rty picture I'd rather do it via googley hand-outs
[15:36] <diddledan> that way she has to be responsive via video and therefore a real person
[15:39] <foobarry> she was a swedish model posing as an activist
[15:39] <diddledan> nope
[15:39] <foobarry> the rule for 50-something MPs should be that nobody wants to see your bits, don't fall for it
[15:40] <diddledan> it was a male reporter posing as an activist with a stolen photo of a swedish model
[15:40] <foobarry> ah, even worse
[15:40] <foobarry> thats entrapment
[15:40] <foobarry> ^2
[16:10] <shauno> I'm alive!
[16:14] <daftykins> crikey a wild shauno!
[16:14] <daftykins> shauno: you survived?!
[16:15] <shauno> barely.  I'm sore in all the places.
[16:15] <shauno> (granted that's more ryanair than the 2000m climb ..)
[16:17] <daftykins> shauno: :D
[16:24] <shauno> good stuff though.  lots of this kinda thing; https://www.dropbox.com/s/re6jkor4xdhfnu1/IMG_2056.JPG
[16:25] <daftykins> oooh nice
[16:25] <shauno> although slightly odd when it takes you 9 hours to get up a hill.  and at the top there's an old man in a hut selling soup and beer
[16:26] <shauno> how does he get the beer up there?  I could barely carry my legs!
[16:27] <christel> helicopter.
[16:27]  * christel nods
[16:30] <daftykins> i rememer trekking in Thailand, i'm slipping around in skate shoes climbing up and down and around these hill sides, then a Burmese guy in just flipflops is following laughing his ass off as i fall on my ass a few times :>
[16:31] <shauno> apparently the czechs have a bad reputation for that.  heading up the tatry in shorts & sandles, and then costing the slovak state when they need to go haul them down again
[16:32] <daftykins> erk! yeah planning needed there
[16:32] <dwatkins> people regularly need to be rescued from Athurs Seat in Edinbrugh because they go up to watch the sunset.
[16:32] <daftykins> these days i own some proper hiking shoes, they've been good to walk around in whilst i've been recovering from my accident.
[16:32] <daftykins> dwatkins: lol, then can't see the path down?
[16:32] <dwatkins> It's a great big volcanic plug near the city centre, you don't want to be climbing down it in the dark.
[16:33] <dwatkins> or perhaps a craig, I forget which
[16:33] <shauno> I've thought about that one a few times, but never got around to it.  it seems odd to go to edinburgh and walk *away* from the pubs
[16:33] <dwatkins> I went for a walk in converse all-stars and slipped over on a rock, it wasn't fun
[16:34] <daftykins> haha
[16:34] <daftykins> yeah those are not practical shoes for even road.
[16:34] <dwatkins> I wasn't expecting to be needing traction.
[16:35] <daftykins> hehe
[16:36] <shauno> I am curious why everyone had poles to walk with though.  like skiing sticks, but without the snow.  I'm curious if they help, or if it's just an extra pair of feet to think about
[16:37] <dwatkins> I've been in places where walking poles would have been useful.
[16:37] <shauno> I did get odd looks when everyone's out there with their fancy gear and walking sticks and such.  and I'm plodding along with a smoke and a small flask of whisky.
[16:39] <daftykins> sounds like that nordic walking shenanigans
[16:39] <daftykins> shauno: lol, love it
[16:40] <daftykins> i was headed down the Grand Canyon catching up with friends, some old woman at the side said "alright, no need to run!"
[16:40] <daftykins> s'like, mmkay you're old i'm young, deal with it ;)
[16:40] <shauno> lol, ouch
[16:43] <Myrtti> ooh nordic walking
[16:43] <Myrtti> I wonder where our sticks are
[16:44] <daftykins> funny fads ;)
[16:57] <dwatkins> dang, forgot I had someone coming round to quote for a boiler replacement, and I'm still at work
[16:57] <Laney> get him to kick the door in
[16:57] <dwatkins> I did consider suggesting he ring my neighbor's doorbell
[16:57] <zmoylan-pi> the only set of conditions that guarantees they'll be on time :-p
[16:58] <dwatkins> yeah, the best way to get through to some companies for support is to call the sales line
[16:59] <shauno> I think the trick with ours is to call on days they're closed.  the out-of-hours guys are bored and loney, and you might be the first person they got to talk to all day
[17:07] <davmor2> Myrtti: sticks are on the trees they need them more than you ;)
[17:08] <daftykins> btw i still have an invite if anyone wants to buy a http://oneplus.net/
[17:09] <Myrtti> daftykins: have they fixed the privacy leak yet?
[17:09] <daftykins> have who the what?
[17:09] <Myrtti> davmor2: mine are carbon fiber
[17:09] <Myrtti> davmor2: https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/security-breach.129297/
[17:10] <Myrtti> oh, looks like they have
[17:10] <daftykins> dwatkins: replacing mine cost me £2,000 \o/ gas boiler
[17:11] <daftykins> Myrtti: nothing major then
[17:11] <dwatkins> daftykins: yeah, I'm expecting that ballpark as I need to have a drain pipe fitted to mine
[17:11] <dwatkins> also, I need to put in a hatch to the attic
[17:12] <daftykins> best thing i did for my house since moving in, the existing one was going between lukewarm and cold for the shower
[17:12] <zmoylan-pi> or a rasp pi with camera and robotic arm :-)
[17:12] <shauno> a really big robotic arm that lifts you into the attic!
[17:13] <zmoylan-pi> no just a small arm to do the jobs you'd need the hatch to climb in for.  the first scutter
[17:17] <dwatkins> come to think of it, this boiler quote guy called me last week to arrange an appointment, then called me this Tuesday having realised he'd made the entry in his calendar a week later than I had
[17:19] <zmoylan-pi> he was using the gregorian calender? :-)
[17:19] <dwatkins> haha, maybe
[17:20] <dwatkins> wouldn't that be 5 days out?
[17:21] <zmoylan-pi> 13 days https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar#Difference_between_Gregorian_and_Julian_calendar_dates
[17:30] <dwatkins> ah ok, not a week
[17:30] <dwatkins> anyway, I should go home now my meeting's over, toodles!
[19:55] <ujjain> hey, Cameron is from the conversatives, right?
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> yes
[19:56] <ujjain> he has such a nice voice in his music video, I hope one day to have lost my Dutch accent and talk like that
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> ujjain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8lmb9m4-tw
[19:58] <ujjain> haha, I meant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YBumQHPAeU&feature=youtu.be, but that one seems awesome too, let me see
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> ujjain: I know but that one reminded me of the one I posted ;)
[20:02] <DJones> Heh, Nick Griffin has been kicked out of the BNP
[20:02] <DJones> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29453341
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> DJones: isn't that the guy from Family Guy?
[20:03] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Never watched that, but if the character was offensive, racist & generally unpleasent, the probably
[20:04] <DJones> s/the/then/
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> DJones: apparently that character is "Peter Griffin"
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Griffin
[20:05]  * diddledan laughs familyguy style
[20:16] <ujjain> UKIP said they are not as racist as the Dutch PVV
[20:16] <foobarry> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29448058
[20:16] <foobarry> \o/
[20:19] <foobarry> also...seen this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29410999
[20:23] <ali1234> not really very interesting
[20:24] <ali1234> all the different CPU architectures are very... what you might call "typecast"
[20:24] <ali1234> in the sense that everyone "knows" x86 is for desktops, arm is for phones, mips is for routers... etc
[20:25] <ali1234> ARM trying to get into IoT is like intel trying to make x86 phones
[20:26] <ali1234> or ARM servers for that matter
[20:32] <foobarry> ARM seem ideal for "things"
[20:32] <zmoylan-pi> low power? go arm
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> or mips
[20:33] <zmoylan-pi> needs to run cool? go arm
[20:33] <ali1234> AVR will destroy any of them
[20:33] <ali1234> if you want low power / low heat
[20:33] <ali1234> also much cheaper, and don't need an OS
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> my Hue Bridge runs "FreeRTOS"
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> on some kind of STMicro
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> (I think)
[20:34] <ali1234> STM do ARM chips and they have their own CPU arch too
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/mmc/FM141/SC1169/SS1575/LN9/PF250182?sc=internet/mcu/product/250182.jsp
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> So... ARM :)
[20:37] <ali1234> yeah
[20:37] <ali1234> the thing about the cortex M chips is they have a powerful ARM core combined with the memory and peripherals you'd find in a microcontroller
[20:37] <ali1234> which is completely pointless
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> why?
[20:39] <ali1234> i mean how much processing power does your smart-toilet actually need?
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> well.. depends on how big the thing you drop in there is
[20:40] <zmoylan-pi> your toilet might be doing a massive core dump... :-p
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> zmoylan-pi: yeah but you could just flush its buffers
[20:41] <zmoylan-pi> and a smart-toilet is perfect for water cooling
[20:42] <ali1234> basically those chips are jack-of-all-trades