| rick_h_ | widox: woot, motox shipped here thurs | 02:23 |
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| rick_h_ | widox: so no chc with it though | 02:23 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_: Did you see that Pebble now has a backgrounding api? | 02:29 |
| cmaloney | Which means it's a pedometer. :) | 02:29 |
| rick_h_ | cmaloney: yea, they were working on that api a long while ago | 02:29 |
| rick_h_ | I didn't realize it wasn't out yet | 02:30 |
| cmaloney | Released today. | 02:30 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 02:30 |
| rick_h_ | grrrr stop disconnecting ssh wtf | 02:31 |
| cmaloney | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84NI5fjTfpQ <- This is not a parody | 03:49 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/ui3DSy - Introducing Windows 10 - the best Windows yet - YouTube | 03:49 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: omg. laughing so hard at that | 04:18 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: Yeah, it's so unintentionally terrible. | 04:23 |
| wolfger | Watching the Win 10 video posted last night... OMG, the hair! | 11:50 |
| rick_h_ | they didn't go windows X ? :P | 11:51 |
| wolfger | it's like a sideways mullet had a baby with a Beatles cut | 11:51 |
| mrgoodcat | morning | 12:33 |
| mrgoodcat | i think bookiebot needs a full rewrite | 12:33 |
| mrgoodcat | i'm through chasing down stupid bugs because i was too stupid or lazy to do it the right way | 12:34 |
| mrgoodcat | going to redo it with twisted and sqlalchemy i think | 12:34 |
| cmaloney | Good morning | 12:34 |
| wolfger | http://askubuntu.com/questions/530991/how-do-i-remove-bash | 13:09 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/6GM76M - How do i remove bash? - Ask Ubuntu | 13:09 |
| mrgoodcat | oh dear god | 13:11 |
| mrgoodcat | i don't even know if i should click that | 13:11 |
| brousch_ | finally, the answer is to install Windows! | 13:12 |
| wolfger | Welcome to the year of Linux on the Desktop. It has finally arrived. | 13:12 |
| cmaloney | dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda bs=4k | 13:12 |
| cmaloney | sudo !! | 13:12 |
| wolfger | although the question does make me wonder what would happen if I opened a bash shell and typed "sudo apt-get uninstall bash" | 13:13 |
| dzho | the memory resident copy would just chortle along, like anything else that gets updated | 13:13 |
| dzho | this is what vm's are for: playing with this sort of thing | 13:14 |
| dzho | I think you'd get stopped cold in your tracks just due to dependency hell, but that's probably what the link mentions so meh | 13:14 |
| mrgoodcat | apt-cache rdepends bash | 13:20 |
| mrgoodcat | apt-cache rdepends bash | grep -v i386 | wc -l | 13:21 |
| mrgoodcat | i get 42 dependencies of bash on my system | 13:21 |
| mrgoodcat | worth noting that this is direct dependencies and the dependency tree is likely a lot bigger | 13:22 |
| wolfger | now recurse dependancies of those 42 | 13:22 |
| wolfger | hmm... 42.... curious number ;-) | 13:22 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 13:22 |
| mrgoodcat | 51 on my arch laptop | 13:25 |
| mrgoodcat | there are definitely some curious dependencies actually... | 13:26 |
| mrgoodcat | i wonder why nano would require bash | 13:26 |
| mrgoodcat | wow... 608 dependencies on my arch system if you check recursively... | 13:28 |
| dzho | I wonder how many of those things really need bash versus could be fine with dash | 13:34 |
| dzho | or "sh" | 13:34 |
| dzho | I find it curious that /bin/sh does not go through alternatives, but straight to /bin/dash | 13:35 |
| dzho | I'm sure there's a reason. | 13:35 |
| wolfger | doesn't dash depend on bash? | 13:37 |
| wolfger | hmm. I does not. I must have read that wrong earlier | 13:38 |
| jrwren | no. dash has nothing to do with bash. | 13:38 |
| jrwren | as for /bin/sh alternatives, I htink if you search you'll find nice debian discussiosn on that. | 13:39 |
| wolfger | bash depends on dash | 13:39 |
| jrwren | https://wiki.debian.org/Shell | 13:39 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/X56Efa - Shell - Debian Wiki | 13:39 |
| jrwren | bash depends on dash? Is that some nonsense debianism too? | 13:39 |
| wolfger | must be | 13:41 |
| jrwren | I don't see where bash depends on dash. | 13:41 |
| wolfger | http://packages.ubuntu.com/utopic/bash | 13:42 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/4E60YS - Ubuntu – Details of package bash in utopic | 13:42 |
| jrwren | wolfger: bash-completion & bash-doc not bash. | 13:42 |
| jrwren | wolfger: and those are suggests and recommends not depends | 13:42 |
| jrwren | wolfger: I always roll with --no-install-recommends :) | 13:43 |
| wolfger | jrwren: what are you talking about? | 13:43 |
| jrwren | wolfger: there is no depends on bash at the link you pasted. | 13:43 |
| wolfger | that is the bash package, showing it depends on dash | 13:43 |
| wolfger | which you said you didn't see | 13:44 |
| jrwren | wolfger: so weird. dpkg -p on trusty does not have that same list. | 13:44 |
| wolfger | hmm | 13:45 |
| jrwren | it likely isnt' a real dep, but one which comes from dash being deeply engrained in the heart of debian. | 13:45 |
| mrgoodcat | apt-cache rdepends bash doesn't show a dependency on dash | 13:46 |
| mrgoodcat | wait thats reverse | 13:46 |
| jrwren | whoa, apt-cache show does show dash listed as dep, but dpkg -p does not | 13:46 |
| jrwren | well, pre-depends. whatever that means. sounds like a health product. | 13:47 |
| wolfger | rofl | 13:47 |
| wolfger | pre-depends, for when you almost lose control | 13:47 |
| mrgoodcat | a dependency will halt the installation, a pre-dependency won't even let it start | 13:48 |
| jrwren | oh, yup, its a debian packaging ism. pre-depends is so that the package can be unpacked. | 13:48 |
| mrgoodcat | usually it has to do with tools used during the install process | 13:48 |
| jrwren | you need a shell to run preinst script. | 13:49 |
| jrwren | except that you don't, because /var/lib/dpkg/info/bash.preinst is an ELF binary | 13:49 |
| jrwren | its only /var/lib/dpkg/info/bash.postrm that uses dash. LAME! | 13:50 |
| wolfger | nerd. :-D | 13:50 |
| wolfger | also: lame is not at all a dependency. | 13:51 |
| jrwren | nerd. :) | 13:51 |
| mrgoodcat | that ELF may use dash in some way | 13:53 |
| wolfger | Wow. Dick's Sporting Goods just sent me an e-mail about a golf driver that's "only" $249 ($150 off original price). They do realize that I *just* bought an entire set of clubs from them for $85, right? Are they trying to scare me away from the sport? | 13:55 |
| wolfger | and who spends $399 on a single golf club? That's nuts. | 13:56 |
| jrwren | mrgoodcat: strings the elf :) | 13:56 |
| mrgoodcat | not sure what my driver cost | 13:56 |
| mrgoodcat | but it was more than i'd care to pay | 13:56 |
| jrwren | who golfs? | 13:56 |
| mrgoodcat | got it as a gift | 13:56 |
| mrgoodcat | i golf | 13:56 |
| wolfger | I golfed once. Liked it enough to buy the cheapest set of clubs I could find. | 13:56 |
| jrwren | i golfed a few times. I decided i do not like it. | 13:57 |
| wolfger | what part do you not like: the sunshine, the fresh air, or the exercise? | 13:57 |
| wolfger | but back on topic, sort of.... | 13:58 |
| wolfger | I know an elf that uses dash. SqueakyHoHo. | 13:59 |
| jrwren | I don't like the golf. | 13:59 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 13:59 |
| mrgoodcat | mostly the golfing part | 14:00 |
| jrwren | sunshine, fresh air and exercise are had countless other ways. | 14:00 |
| mrgoodcat | mountainbiking :) | 14:00 |
| jrwren | i like that. | 14:00 |
| mrgoodcat | i spend more time mountainbiking than just about any other outdoor activity | 14:00 |
| jrwren | roadbiking, basketball, tennis, anything but golf plz. | 14:00 |
| mrgoodcat | maybe waterskiing | 14:00 |
| mrgoodcat | i waterski a lot | 14:00 |
| mrgoodcat | but mountainbike is year round for me, waterski is not | 14:01 |
| jrwren | year round in MI? | 14:01 |
| cmaloney | wolfger: Who buys $400 clubs? People who think gaining an extra 5 yards is worth $400 | 14:01 |
| cmaloney | even though you could argue the club has nothing to do with it. | 14:02 |
| wolfger | ... | 14:02 |
| wolfger | people who think the *possibility* of gaining 5 yards is worth $400 | 14:02 |
| brousch_ | mrgoodcat: Are you the one who used to waterski in an artificial lake near Grand Rapids? | 14:02 |
| wolfger | I need to meet more of these people, because they have lots of money and little sense. | 14:02 |
| brousch_ | cmaloney: The club has something to do with it once you go beyond a minimum skill level | 14:02 |
| cmaloney | brousch_: Bull. I'd argue it's more about what properties you imbue into the club than actual club-dynamics | 14:03 |
| brousch_ | wat? | 14:03 |
| mrgoodcat | jrwren: yea | 14:03 |
| cmaloney | I used to play golf when I was a kid. I sucked horribly. | 14:03 |
| mrgoodcat | brousch_: also, yes | 14:03 |
| brousch_ | mrgoodcat: What was that place called? | 14:04 |
| jrwren | mrgoodcat: isn't that code? | 14:04 |
| brousch_ | My mom didn't believe me when I told her about it, and I couldn't find it anywhere | 14:04 |
| mrgoodcat | cmaloney: club quality has a much bigger effect than you might guess | 14:04 |
| mrgoodcat | jrwren: if you mean cold, then sometimes | 14:04 |
| mrgoodcat | brousch_: placid waters | 14:05 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: I'll give you that carbon fiber or graphite shafts may have more "whip" than the old steel shafts | 14:05 |
| cmaloney | or the wood shafts. | 14:05 |
| cmaloney | but not much beyond that | 14:05 |
| mrgoodcat | i like stiffer shafts actually. i like my steel shaft | 14:05 |
| cmaloney | All of the aerodynamics nonsense for the driver is rubbish | 14:05 |
| mrgoodcat | the heads are a lot bigger now, and the club faces are shaped differently and made of different metals | 14:06 |
| mrgoodcat | so you get more control | 14:06 |
| mrgoodcat | the new clubs are a lot easier to hit | 14:06 |
| mrgoodcat | and the high-end clubs are a lot lighter, so it takes less muscle to control the club head the same way | 14:06 |
| cmaloney | I'll bet you in 5 years the club heads will get smaller because someone will win a tourney with smaller heads. | 14:06 |
| cmaloney | and then the aerodynamic nonsense will kick in again | 14:06 |
| brousch_ | It's more about club face shape, materials, internal reinforcement, etc | 14:07 |
| mrgoodcat | i think more likely it will be a rule change that makes the large heads disallowed | 14:07 |
| mrgoodcat | the large head clubs are stupidly easy to hit with | 14:07 |
| brousch_ | There is already a limit on head size | 14:07 |
| mrgoodcat | yea, i think it will be smaller soon though | 14:07 |
| jrwren | linux people play golf. I need to become a BSD people. Moar anti-establishment hippie bears there. | 14:07 |
| brousch_ | In the PGA | 14:07 |
| mrgoodcat | the pros are already complaining | 14:07 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: I have a set of clubs that are yours for the taking | 14:07 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: i have a set of clubs that are yours for the taking. | 14:08 |
| cmaloney | circa 1989 | 14:08 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: Hah. | 14:08 |
| brousch_ | I used to play golf ~40 times/yr, now i play probably 5 | 14:08 |
| wolfger | Man, I wish I'd know there were clubs for the taking before I bought some :-p | 14:08 |
| mrgoodcat | there's also a limit on the coefficient of restitution on both club heads and balls | 14:09 |
| wolfger | and if the large drivers are "stupid easy", I must be beyond stupid because I suck with the driver. My best drives at the range are with my hybrid. | 14:09 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 14:10 |
| mrgoodcat | or, you bought an 85$ set and your club is heavy as shit because it has the large head thats all the rage but inexpensive materials | 14:10 |
| wolfger | that could be too | 14:10 |
| wolfger | maybe I need to buy a driver that costs 4-5 times the entire price of my set so I play better. :-P :-P :-P | 14:11 |
| brousch_ | It usually means there is a fundamental problem with your swing | 14:11 |
| mrgoodcat | yea | 14:11 |
| brousch_ | Until you have a good, consistent swing, your clubs don't matter much | 14:11 |
| mrgoodcat | i'd fix the swing before spending money on new clubs | 14:11 |
| wolfger | brousch_: that's what I figured too | 14:11 |
| mrgoodcat | i play with a super old set just fine | 14:11 |
| mrgoodcat | my driver is my only club less than 10 years old | 14:12 |
| brousch_ | I played for 2 years with small, wooden headed 1,3,5 woods to force a controlled, consistent swing. After that i went back to real drivers and picked up 40 yards on my drives and eliminated slicing | 14:13 |
| mrgoodcat | most of mine are ~1995ish | 14:13 |
| wolfger | I have an urge now to rewatch Caddyshack and Happy Gilmore | 14:15 |
| cmaloney | Thank goodness we didn't get into talking about Bowling Balls. | 14:16 |
| wolfger | Heh. I'm perfectly happy with rental balls | 14:16 |
| brousch_ | I used to bowl as often as I golfed. I still do | 14:16 |
| wolfger | What Michigan needs more of is curling. | 14:18 |
| widox | rick_h_: ooo. nice! | 14:18 |
| mrgoodcat | bowling is fun but i can never seem to get over the 150-160 hump | 14:20 |
| brousch_ | PRactice your spares | 14:21 |
| wolfger | I thought the 150-160 hump was in golf... :-D | 14:21 |
| brousch_ | yikes | 14:21 |
| wolfger | actually, I have no idea what my golf score was the one time I played. I doubt it was that bad | 14:22 |
| wolfger | I also doubt it was good, or anything approaching good | 14:22 |
| mrgoodcat | i'm usually +7 or so per 9 holes | 14:23 |
| mrgoodcat | sometimes better sometimes a lot worse | 14:23 |
| wolfger | Oh geez. I just realized I still had a button on Chrome saying "Note in Reader", which was for Google Reader. *sigh* RIP, dear Reader. | 14:31 |
| cmaloney | wolfger: newsblur is the new hotness. | 14:32 |
| wolfger | Yes, I love Newsblur. I still miss GReader though | 14:34 |
| wolfger | They're making a live-action Tetris movie? This has to be a hoax. Please let it be a hoax. | 14:41 |
| wolfger | http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-29443728 | 14:41 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/QAorz6 - BBC News - Tetris to become movie blockbuster | 14:41 |
| cmaloney | wolfger: I'm sure they're using "blockbuster" in the ironic sense | 14:42 |
| cmaloney | as in it's a movie about blocks, and it's sure to be a bust. | 14:42 |
| wolfger | one line at a time.... | 14:43 |
| wolfger | well, 4 lines at a time if you're good | 14:43 |
| cmaloney | They've been threatening this movie for a while. | 14:45 |
| wolfger | I wish they would resume threatening us with a Neuromancer movie. | 14:46 |
| wolfger | I think Johnny Mnemonic killed that for us though. | 14:46 |
| cmaloney | wolfger: I doubt they'll make a workable version of that. | 14:47 |
| wolfger | cmaloney: just give it to Marvel Studios. They can do no wrong, apparently. | 14:58 |
| * wolfger willfully forgets the first Wolverine movie and the Hulk movies | 15:00 | |
| mrgoodcat | i didn't completely hate the hulk movies | 15:01 |
| cmaloney | "i didn't completely hate" is a pretty damning endorsement | 15:05 |
| cmaloney | "It was film and did not make my eyes bleed" | 15:05 |
| cmaloney | .np squeekyhoho | 15:08 |
| bookiebot | squeekyhoho's current track - Belligerence by Nuclear | 15:08 |
| cmaloney | rar rar rar rar | 15:08 |
| greg-g | a coworker shared this video in our staff channel, and I appreciated it and it actually made me homesick for the midwest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYws8biwOYc | 15:51 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/biH46 - Spose - I'm Awesome - YouTube | 15:51 |
| greg-g | that won't give you any context to what you're about to watch/hear | 15:51 |
| cmaloney | Yay, new tips for my ER headphones | 15:57 |
| cmaloney | now I can't hear anything from the outside world. :) | 15:57 |
| cmaloney | Also: new OMC release after an unexpected hiatus. | 15:58 |
| wolfger | cmaloney: +1 to shutting out the outside world | 16:13 |
| greg-g | er headphones? | 16:32 |
| wolfger | http://www.breakingfittslaw.com/comic/office-bulldozer/ | 16:34 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/NszHlw - Breaking Fitts's Law » Office Bulldozer | 16:34 |
| cmaloney | Entymotic Research | 16:43 |
| cmaloney | greg-g: ^^ | 16:44 |
| greg-g | ahh | 16:49 |
| brousch_ | I don't suppose any of you are participating in this weekend's Code Michigan event? | 17:06 |
| brousch_ | http://www.eventbrite.com/o/code-michigan-4265518069 | 17:11 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/PkujUu - Code Michigan - Eventbrite | 17:11 |
| _stink_ | looks neat, but no | 17:11 |
| cmaloney | Again, first I'm hearing of it. | 17:13 |
| cmaloney | And it appears either sold out or needs Facebook to access (which is blocked) | 17:13 |
| brousch_ | cmaloney: You are so out of touch | 17:14 |
| brousch_ | Ah, Detroit is sold out. Newago still has slots | 17:15 |
| wolfger | Head up to Marquette... | 17:35 |
| cmaloney | How about "no". | 17:41 |
| brousch_ | Marquette may get snow this weekend | 17:54 |
| wolfger | Well yeah... It is October after all. | 17:56 |
| cmaloney | .np squeekyhoho | 18:08 |
| bookiebot | squeekyhoho's last track - Defleshed by Nuclear on Jehovirus [1 Oct 2014, 15:40] | 18:08 |
| cmaloney | bah | 18:08 |
| cmaloney | .np squeekyhoho | 18:09 |
| bookiebot | squeekyhoho's last track - Defleshed by Nuclear on Jehovirus [1 Oct 2014, 15:40] | 18:09 |
| cmaloney | .np squeekyhoho | 18:10 |
| bookiebot | squeekyhoho's current track - Scarlatti: Sonata in E Major, L. 430/K. 531 by Wendy Carlos on Switched-On Boxed Set: Highlights | 18:10 |
| cmaloney | There we go | 18:10 |
| cmaloney | Probably the only way I'll ever afford the digital recordings of these albums: http://www.amazon.com/Switched-On-Boxed-Johann-Sebastian-Bach/dp/B00002DDS5 | 18:11 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/yoSSWb - Amazon.com: Switched-On Boxed Set: Music | 18:11 |
| cmaloney | .np squeekyhoho | 19:07 |
| bookiebot | squeekyhoho's current track - Vol. 1 - Prelude by Neurotech | 19:07 |
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