[02:23] widox: woot, motox shipped here thurs [02:23] widox: so no chc with it though [02:29] rick_h_: Did you see that Pebble now has a backgrounding api? [02:29] Which means it's a pedometer. :) [02:29] cmaloney: yea, they were working on that api a long while ago [02:30] I didn't realize it wasn't out yet [02:30] Released today. [02:30] yea [02:31] grrrr stop disconnecting ssh wtf [03:49] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84NI5fjTfpQ <- This is not a parody [03:49] http://goo.gl/ui3DSy - Introducing Windows 10 - the best Windows yet - YouTube [04:18] cmaloney: omg. laughing so hard at that [04:23] jrwren: Yeah, it's so unintentionally terrible. [11:50] Watching the Win 10 video posted last night... OMG, the hair! [11:51] they didn't go windows X ? :P [11:51] it's like a sideways mullet had a baby with a Beatles cut [12:33] morning [12:33] i think bookiebot needs a full rewrite [12:34] i'm through chasing down stupid bugs because i was too stupid or lazy to do it the right way [12:34] going to redo it with twisted and sqlalchemy i think [12:34] Good morning [13:09] http://askubuntu.com/questions/530991/how-do-i-remove-bash [13:09] http://goo.gl/6GM76M - How do i remove bash? - Ask Ubuntu [13:11] oh dear god [13:11] i don't even know if i should click that [13:12] finally, the answer is to install Windows! [13:12] Welcome to the year of Linux on the Desktop. It has finally arrived. [13:12] dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda bs=4k [13:12] sudo !! [13:13] although the question does make me wonder what would happen if I opened a bash shell and typed "sudo apt-get uninstall bash" [13:13] the memory resident copy would just chortle along, like anything else that gets updated [13:14] this is what vm's are for: playing with this sort of thing [13:14] I think you'd get stopped cold in your tracks just due to dependency hell, but that's probably what the link mentions so meh [13:20] apt-cache rdepends bash [13:21] apt-cache rdepends bash | grep -v i386 | wc -l [13:21] i get 42 dependencies of bash on my system [13:22] worth noting that this is direct dependencies and the dependency tree is likely a lot bigger [13:22] now recurse dependancies of those 42 [13:22] hmm... 42.... curious number ;-) [13:22] lol [13:25] 51 on my arch laptop [13:26] there are definitely some curious dependencies actually... [13:26] i wonder why nano would require bash [13:28] wow... 608 dependencies on my arch system if you check recursively... [13:34] I wonder how many of those things really need bash versus could be fine with dash [13:34] or "sh" [13:35] I find it curious that /bin/sh does not go through alternatives, but straight to /bin/dash [13:35] I'm sure there's a reason. [13:37] doesn't dash depend on bash? [13:38] hmm. I does not. I must have read that wrong earlier [13:38] no. dash has nothing to do with bash. [13:39] as for /bin/sh alternatives, I htink if you search you'll find nice debian discussiosn on that. [13:39] bash depends on dash [13:39] https://wiki.debian.org/Shell [13:39] http://goo.gl/X56Efa - Shell - Debian Wiki [13:39] bash depends on dash? Is that some nonsense debianism too? [13:41] must be [13:41] I don't see where bash depends on dash. [13:42] http://packages.ubuntu.com/utopic/bash [13:42] http://goo.gl/4E60YS - Ubuntu – Details of package bash in utopic [13:42] wolfger: bash-completion & bash-doc not bash. [13:42] wolfger: and those are suggests and recommends not depends [13:43] wolfger: I always roll with --no-install-recommends :) [13:43] jrwren: what are you talking about? [13:43] wolfger: there is no depends on bash at the link you pasted. [13:43] that is the bash package, showing it depends on dash [13:44] which you said you didn't see [13:44] wolfger: so weird. dpkg -p on trusty does not have that same list. [13:45] hmm [13:45] it likely isnt' a real dep, but one which comes from dash being deeply engrained in the heart of debian. [13:46] apt-cache rdepends bash doesn't show a dependency on dash [13:46] wait thats reverse [13:46] whoa, apt-cache show does show dash listed as dep, but dpkg -p does not [13:47] well, pre-depends. whatever that means. sounds like a health product. [13:47] rofl [13:47] pre-depends, for when you almost lose control [13:48] a dependency will halt the installation, a pre-dependency won't even let it start [13:48] oh, yup, its a debian packaging ism. pre-depends is so that the package can be unpacked. [13:48] usually it has to do with tools used during the install process [13:49] you need a shell to run preinst script. [13:49] except that you don't, because /var/lib/dpkg/info/bash.preinst is an ELF binary [13:50] its only /var/lib/dpkg/info/bash.postrm that uses dash. LAME! [13:50] nerd. :-D [13:51] also: lame is not at all a dependency. [13:51] nerd. :) [13:53] that ELF may use dash in some way [13:55] Wow. Dick's Sporting Goods just sent me an e-mail about a golf driver that's "only" $249 ($150 off original price). They do realize that I *just* bought an entire set of clubs from them for $85, right? Are they trying to scare me away from the sport? [13:56] and who spends $399 on a single golf club? That's nuts. [13:56] mrgoodcat: strings the elf :) [13:56] not sure what my driver cost [13:56] but it was more than i'd care to pay [13:56] who golfs? [13:56] got it as a gift [13:56] i golf [13:56] I golfed once. Liked it enough to buy the cheapest set of clubs I could find. [13:57] i golfed a few times. I decided i do not like it. [13:57] what part do you not like: the sunshine, the fresh air, or the exercise? [13:58] but back on topic, sort of.... [13:59] I know an elf that uses dash. SqueakyHoHo. [13:59] I don't like the golf. [13:59] lol [14:00] mostly the golfing part [14:00] sunshine, fresh air and exercise are had countless other ways. [14:00] mountainbiking :) [14:00] i like that. [14:00] i spend more time mountainbiking than just about any other outdoor activity [14:00] roadbiking, basketball, tennis, anything but golf plz. [14:00] maybe waterskiing [14:00] i waterski a lot [14:01] but mountainbike is year round for me, waterski is not [14:01] year round in MI? [14:01] wolfger: Who buys $400 clubs? People who think gaining an extra 5 yards is worth $400 [14:02] even though you could argue the club has nothing to do with it. [14:02] ... [14:02] people who think the *possibility* of gaining 5 yards is worth $400 [14:02] mrgoodcat: Are you the one who used to waterski in an artificial lake near Grand Rapids? [14:02] I need to meet more of these people, because they have lots of money and little sense. [14:02] cmaloney: The club has something to do with it once you go beyond a minimum skill level [14:03] brousch_: Bull. I'd argue it's more about what properties you imbue into the club than actual club-dynamics [14:03] wat? [14:03] jrwren: yea [14:03] I used to play golf when I was a kid. I sucked horribly. [14:03] brousch_: also, yes [14:04] mrgoodcat: What was that place called? [14:04] mrgoodcat: isn't that code? [14:04] My mom didn't believe me when I told her about it, and I couldn't find it anywhere [14:04] cmaloney: club quality has a much bigger effect than you might guess [14:04] jrwren: if you mean cold, then sometimes [14:05] brousch_: placid waters [14:05] mrgoodcat: I'll give you that carbon fiber or graphite shafts may have more "whip" than the old steel shafts [14:05] or the wood shafts. [14:05] but not much beyond that [14:05] i like stiffer shafts actually. i like my steel shaft [14:05] All of the aerodynamics nonsense for the driver is rubbish [14:06] the heads are a lot bigger now, and the club faces are shaped differently and made of different metals [14:06] so you get more control [14:06] the new clubs are a lot easier to hit [14:06] and the high-end clubs are a lot lighter, so it takes less muscle to control the club head the same way [14:06] I'll bet you in 5 years the club heads will get smaller because someone will win a tourney with smaller heads. [14:06] and then the aerodynamic nonsense will kick in again [14:07] It's more about club face shape, materials, internal reinforcement, etc [14:07] i think more likely it will be a rule change that makes the large heads disallowed [14:07] the large head clubs are stupidly easy to hit with [14:07] There is already a limit on head size [14:07] yea, i think it will be smaller soon though [14:07] linux people play golf. I need to become a BSD people. Moar anti-establishment hippie bears there. [14:07] In the PGA [14:07] the pros are already complaining [14:07] jrwren: I have a set of clubs that are yours for the taking [14:08] cmaloney: i have a set of clubs that are yours for the taking. [14:08] circa 1989 [14:08] jrwren: Hah. [14:08] I used to play golf ~40 times/yr, now i play probably 5 [14:08] Man, I wish I'd know there were clubs for the taking before I bought some :-p [14:09] there's also a limit on the coefficient of restitution on both club heads and balls [14:09] and if the large drivers are "stupid easy", I must be beyond stupid because I suck with the driver. My best drives at the range are with my hybrid. [14:10] lol [14:10] or, you bought an 85$ set and your club is heavy as shit because it has the large head thats all the rage but inexpensive materials [14:10] that could be too [14:11] maybe I need to buy a driver that costs 4-5 times the entire price of my set so I play better. :-P :-P :-P [14:11] It usually means there is a fundamental problem with your swing [14:11] yea [14:11] Until you have a good, consistent swing, your clubs don't matter much [14:11] i'd fix the swing before spending money on new clubs [14:11] brousch_: that's what I figured too [14:11] i play with a super old set just fine [14:12] my driver is my only club less than 10 years old [14:13] I played for 2 years with small, wooden headed 1,3,5 woods to force a controlled, consistent swing. After that i went back to real drivers and picked up 40 yards on my drives and eliminated slicing [14:13] most of mine are ~1995ish [14:15] I have an urge now to rewatch Caddyshack and Happy Gilmore [14:16] Thank goodness we didn't get into talking about Bowling Balls. [14:16] Heh. I'm perfectly happy with rental balls [14:16] I used to bowl as often as I golfed. I still do [14:18] What Michigan needs more of is curling. [14:18] rick_h_: ooo. nice! [14:20] bowling is fun but i can never seem to get over the 150-160 hump [14:21] PRactice your spares [14:21] I thought the 150-160 hump was in golf... :-D [14:21] yikes [14:22] actually, I have no idea what my golf score was the one time I played. I doubt it was that bad [14:22] I also doubt it was good, or anything approaching good [14:23] i'm usually +7 or so per 9 holes [14:23] sometimes better sometimes a lot worse [14:31] Oh geez. I just realized I still had a button on Chrome saying "Note in Reader", which was for Google Reader. *sigh* RIP, dear Reader. [14:32] wolfger: newsblur is the new hotness. [14:34] Yes, I love Newsblur. I still miss GReader though [14:41] They're making a live-action Tetris movie? This has to be a hoax. Please let it be a hoax. [14:41] http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-29443728 [14:41] http://goo.gl/QAorz6 - BBC News - Tetris to become movie blockbuster [14:42] wolfger: I'm sure they're using "blockbuster" in the ironic sense [14:42] as in it's a movie about blocks, and it's sure to be a bust. [14:43] one line at a time.... [14:43] well, 4 lines at a time if you're good [14:45] They've been threatening this movie for a while. [14:46] I wish they would resume threatening us with a Neuromancer movie. [14:46] I think Johnny Mnemonic killed that for us though. [14:47] wolfger: I doubt they'll make a workable version of that. [14:58] cmaloney: just give it to Marvel Studios. They can do no wrong, apparently. [15:00] * wolfger willfully forgets the first Wolverine movie and the Hulk movies [15:01] i didn't completely hate the hulk movies [15:05] "i didn't completely hate" is a pretty damning endorsement [15:05] "It was film and did not make my eyes bleed" [15:08] .np squeekyhoho [15:08] squeekyhoho's current track - Belligerence by Nuclear [15:08] rar rar rar rar [15:51] a coworker shared this video in our staff channel, and I appreciated it and it actually made me homesick for the midwest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYws8biwOYc [15:51] http://goo.gl/biH46 - Spose - I'm Awesome - YouTube [15:51] that won't give you any context to what you're about to watch/hear [15:57] Yay, new tips for my ER headphones [15:57] now I can't hear anything from the outside world. :) [15:58] Also: new OMC release after an unexpected hiatus. [16:13] cmaloney: +1 to shutting out the outside world [16:32] er headphones? [16:34] http://www.breakingfittslaw.com/comic/office-bulldozer/ [16:34] http://goo.gl/NszHlw - Breaking Fitts's Law » Office Bulldozer [16:43] Entymotic Research [16:44] greg-g: ^^ [16:49] ahh [17:06] I don't suppose any of you are participating in this weekend's Code Michigan event? [17:11] http://www.eventbrite.com/o/code-michigan-4265518069 [17:11] http://goo.gl/PkujUu - Code Michigan - Eventbrite [17:11] <_stink_> looks neat, but no [17:13] Again, first I'm hearing of it. [17:13] And it appears either sold out or needs Facebook to access (which is blocked) [17:14] cmaloney: You are so out of touch [17:15] Ah, Detroit is sold out. Newago still has slots [17:35] Head up to Marquette... [17:41] How about "no". [17:54] Marquette may get snow this weekend [17:56] Well yeah... It is October after all. [18:08] .np squeekyhoho [18:08] squeekyhoho's last track - Defleshed by Nuclear on Jehovirus [1 Oct 2014, 15:40] [18:08] bah [18:09] .np squeekyhoho [18:09] squeekyhoho's last track - Defleshed by Nuclear on Jehovirus [1 Oct 2014, 15:40] [18:10] .np squeekyhoho [18:10] squeekyhoho's current track - Scarlatti: Sonata in E Major, L. 430/K. 531 by Wendy Carlos on Switched-On Boxed Set: Highlights [18:10] There we go [18:11] Probably the only way I'll ever afford the digital recordings of these albums: http://www.amazon.com/Switched-On-Boxed-Johann-Sebastian-Bach/dp/B00002DDS5 [18:11] http://goo.gl/yoSSWb - Amazon.com: Switched-On Boxed Set: Music [19:07] .np squeekyhoho [19:07] squeekyhoho's current track - Vol. 1 - Prelude by Neurotech