[04:55] <Kilos> good morning peeps
[04:55] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  theblazehen  Squirm  inetpro  
[05:05] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  
[05:27] <Kilos> oi
[05:43] <Squirm> morning
[05:43] <Trixar_za> Morning Kilos and Squirm
[05:43] <Kilos> hi there Trixar_za  
[05:44] <Trixar_za> What's new with you Kilos?
[05:44] <Kilos> waiting for a new drive then installing kubuntu 64bit
[05:45] <Kilos> then major recovery on crashed 500g drive
[05:45] <Squirm> Kilos: you just got a new drive?
[05:45] <Kilos> its coming today hopefully , 1TB
[05:46] <Kilos> i couldnt do data recovery on a 500g drive from an 80g
[05:46] <Kilos> all my everything is/was on the 500g
[05:47] <Kilos> but it crashed bad, had to zero it to get mbr working again
[05:47] <Squirm> umm
[05:48] <Squirm> that means writing over everything...
[05:48] <Kilos> yip
[05:48] <Kilos> totally wiped
[05:48] <Squirm> you probably should have started with something else first
[05:48] <Squirm> like testdisk or ddrescue
[05:48] <Kilos> im banking on testdisk foremost and scalpel finding stuff
[05:49] <Squirm> but the problem is you've written over everything
[05:49] <Kilos> it was dead completely, bios didnt even see it
[05:49] <Squirm> testdisk would have helped you before the format, I doubt it'll help you know
[05:50] <Kilos> oh well heres hoping, ive run testdisk on it now again internally, and there are lots of the old folders but all empty
[05:51] <Kilos> anyway it should keep me busy for a while i think
[05:53] <Squirm> I use foremost every other week
[05:53] <Squirm> or not
[05:59] <Kilos> oi
[05:59] <Kilos> one of those days
[06:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:05] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:23] <Trixar_za> Squirm: https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/l/t1.0-0/10177920_10152789328334903_1540246397221109551_n.jpg?oh=2968b4fc495057851c7bcc8e5f640aa4&oe=54BABCCE
[06:23] <Trixar_za> That's how I feel
[06:23] <Squirm> heh
[06:24] <Squirm> Trixar_za: you sound like a woman :/
[06:24] <Squirm> man up
[06:24] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:24] <Trixar_za> Didn't I once say that to you? :|
[06:24] <Squirm> probably
[06:24] <Squirm> but go back and look at all you've said to me today
[06:25] <Trixar_za> Yeah Yeah - I'll probably keep at it. New Month, New Life. hey?
[06:25] <Squirm> actually, you said woman in their 50's and 60's are better than you, so did you compare yourself to an 70/80 year old woman?
[06:26] <Squirm> :P
[06:26] <Trixar_za> They ran longer and harder than I did. So they did kick my unfit ass
[06:26] <Trixar_za> :P
[06:26]  * Squirm prods Trixar_za and watches him roll on the floor in agony
[06:26] <Kilos> lol
[06:27] <Kilos> haha whats with this new running thing with you guys
[06:27] <Kilos> ian also started
[06:27] <Squirm> meh, I can't run :P
[06:27] <Squirm> I need to start with the squash thing again though
[06:27] <Squirm> it's been a while
[06:27] <Squirm> over a month now
[06:27] <Kilos> squash is good
[06:28] <Trixar_za> Kilos: He gave me the idea and I started again today. And I got cocky.
[06:28] <Trixar_za> It really did hurt pushing myself that hard
[06:28] <Trixar_za> lol
[06:28] <Trixar_za> Learned my lesson
[06:28] <Squirm> lol
[06:28] <Kilos> ya you gotta take it easy in the beginning
[06:28] <Squirm> Kilos: I've tried to tell him
[06:29] <Squirm> he obviously can't stand to be beaten by older woman
[06:29] <Kilos> run/walk 1 to 2 ks for starters
[06:30] <Trixar_za> No, No I can't
[06:30] <Kilos> and only after a week or two or when you get to the running only stage then extend the distance
[06:30] <Trixar_za> And this was chubby older woman too
[06:30] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:30] <Trixar_za> So I was really motivated to outdo them
[06:31] <Kilos> then just fast walk for starters
[06:31] <Kilos> it gets better
[06:32] <Trixar_za> I used to be able to run 2KM without stopping. Ageing sucks.
[06:32] <Kilos> age?
[06:34] <Squirm> Kilos: he's not old :/
[06:34] <Trixar_za> I was 18 at the time
[06:34] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:34] <Trixar_za> Used to be able to walk 8K without sweating too - at 22
[06:34] <Kilos> you are just unfit man
[06:35] <Squirm> Trixar_za: A friend of mine is 28, he can cycle 60km :P
[06:35] <Squirm> so age isn't the problem
[06:35] <Kilos> keep up the good work just dont try beat anyone
[06:35] <Trixar_za> Yeah, but like my cousin he's a show off :P
[06:35] <Squirm> Trixar_za: my girlfriend can run 10km ^^
[06:35] <Squirm> I can't :/
[06:35] <Kilos> lol
[06:35] <Kilos> 10k fun runs are fun
[06:35] <Trixar_za> One thing kept me going though
[06:36] <Trixar_za> And it wasn't motivation or anything. It was pure spite
[06:36] <Kilos> you get to ogle all the cute butts in front of you
[06:36] <Trixar_za> I want to spite my sister and her fitness goonies
[06:36] <Kilos> fitness doesnt come overnight
[06:36] <Trixar_za> Prove to them I can get fit without being a complete idiot that believes in Atkins
[06:37] <Trixar_za> She avoids fruits because her trainer told her it had sugar in it
[06:37] <Squirm> :/
[06:37] <Squirm> she needs to see a dietician
[06:37] <Kilos> fruit is the healthiest sugar
[06:37] <Squirm> not a trainer :/
[06:37] <Trixar_za> Yeah
[06:37] <Squirm> dieticians believe Atkins is aweful
[06:38] <Squirm> my girlfriend wants to punch anyone on the Atkins Diet
[06:38] <Trixar_za> Yeah, he wasn't even a doctor
[06:38] <Squirm> (she's a dietician)
[06:38] <Trixar_za> He was like a pharmacist if memory serves
[06:38] <Squirm> :/
[06:38] <Trixar_za> Atkins that is
[06:38] <Squirm> he has his bsc
[06:38] <Squirm> BSc
[06:39] <Trixar_za> So does my sister, but that doesn't make her a dietitian
[06:39] <Squirm> nope
[06:39] <Squirm> I don't have any qualification and I can see it's bad :/
[06:39] <Squirm> all round, balanced diet
[06:40] <Squirm> and if you want to refine it for a specific purpose, speak to a dietician
[06:41] <Trixar_za> Working my way back up. If I keep at it, in 2 months there should be a big difference in my fitness level
[06:41] <Trixar_za> I just need to learn how to watch what I eat
[06:41] <Trixar_za> Before I stopped growing (so before 25), I could eat anything and actually LOSE weight.
[06:44] <Kilos> weight is only a mouth prob, closed mouth dont put on weight
[06:45] <Trixar_za> I have trouble keeping mine closed. Mostly because I talk too much.
[06:45] <Trixar_za> I even greeted random strangers today
[06:45] <Trixar_za> Since this the Cape, they looked at me with fear and suspicion
[06:45] <Kilos> lol
 lol... beardy flannel wearing hipster is sitting on the floor, despairing angrily into his iPhone because he's got on the wrong train
[06:47] <Trixar_za> I sometimes wonder where hipster ends and emo begins
[06:48] <Squirm> I have a beard and wear flannel but I don't see myself as a hipster :P
[06:48] <Squirm> I have an Android phone
[06:48] <Squirm> so that rules it out already
[06:50] <Trixar_za> True
[06:51] <Trixar_za> Also you can use Linux
[06:55] <Squirm> although, I'm getting an Apple laptop when I start work :P
[06:56] <Squirm> still won't make me a hipster though ^^
[06:56] <Squirm> and I do love my coffee
[06:56] <Squirm> but I started loving it before it went hipsterish
[06:57] <Trixar_za> Considering neither you or I knew what an Americano was until your girlfriend explained it to us, I'm pretty sure you're safe.
[06:57] <Trixar_za> Also you're clearly not Metrosexual either
[06:59] <Kilos> hi bushtech  
[06:59] <Trixar_za> Bye bushtech
[07:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyone jumped to 14.10 yet?
[07:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> wife's laptop needs a clean install, wondering if its stable enough by now
[07:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> final beta is usually pretty solid in my experience
[07:12] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: can't wait a few days?
[07:12] <Squirm> if you're worried
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> heh
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> i guess you are single?
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> :P
[07:12] <Squirm> no, but windows 8 seems to keep her happy
[07:12] <Squirm> who knows why though
[07:13]  * Squirm needs to start the conversion process
[07:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> ditch her, there's no future for you 2, lol
[07:13] <Squirm> haha
[07:13] <Squirm> well, she can find her way around my PC
[07:13] <Squirm> which I think is a good improvement
[07:13] <Squirm> she now handles my multiple displays too
[07:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> kde getting fatter and fatter for her 2007 vintage HP, time to go XFCE
[07:14] <Trixar_za> Why not try a few of the other options? :P
[07:14] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: I wonder how it would handle Cinnamon
[07:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> because i'm familiar with xfce and i couldn't be bothered to learn a new thing
[07:16]  * Squirm updates CyanogenMod
[07:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> CM doesn't like my phone
[07:17] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: which is?
[07:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> HTC One X
[07:17] <Squirm> ah
[07:17] <Squirm> have myself an S3
[07:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> too many random reboots
[07:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> at least twice a day and usually picks a time when it would be least convenient
[07:18] <Squirm> :/
[07:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh you have snapscan, cool let me pay quickly. d'oh! wait my phone is being a twat
[07:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> never mind, take my card
[07:19] <Squirm> yep...
[07:19] <Squirm> though I've been alright
[07:19] <Squirm> my camera app sometimes doesnt work
[07:19] <Squirm> and phone dies when the flash goes off
[07:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> HTC's software may not be the latest greatest but it is absolutely rock solid
[07:19] <Squirm> hoping this update will fix it
[07:20]  * ThatGraemeGuy upgrades to 14.10 beta
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> between the ssd and the mad fast internet this shouldn't take long
[07:22] <Squirm> I'm tempted to stick an ssd in the mac I'm going to get
[07:22] <Squirm> and by an enclosure for the drive inside it
[07:22] <charl> good morning all
[07:22] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:22]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> pretty sure they have them by default, no?
[07:22] <Squirm> 'lo charl 
[07:22] <charl> hi Squirm :)
[07:22] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: only the Macbook air
[07:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[07:22] <Squirm> afaik
[07:22] <Squirm> the Macbook pro's don't
[07:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> even my samsung comes with ssd by default
[07:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> You have to download a total of 941 M. This download will take about 
[07:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> 21 minutes with your connection. 
[07:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> woo
[07:24] <Trixar_za> Lol. CM huh?
[07:24] <Squirm> nice ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:24] <Trixar_za> You know that Modded Intel driver I did? Somebody asked me if they could use it to develop for CM.
[07:24] <Squirm> When I went for my interview, they were busy putting in 20Mbit fibre, should be running by the time I get there
[07:25] <Trixar_za> First time I ever heard of it >.>
[07:25] <Squirm> and they had a 20Mbit VDSL line
[07:25] <Squirm> lol Trixar_za 
[07:25] <Squirm> it's been around for a while :P
[07:25] <Squirm> updated
[07:25]  * Squirm tests flash
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> Squirm: what are you going to be doing there?
[07:26] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> 100mbit fibre at our new offices... only 2.5 more weeks
[07:26] <Squirm> yay, flash works without killing my phone
[07:26] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: IT Technician
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> like desktop support stuff?
[07:27] <Squirm> but taking load off of the current sys admin. 
[07:27] <Squirm> no
[07:27] <Squirm> more server administration
[07:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah ok
[07:27] <Squirm> but some dsktop support
[07:27] <Squirm> so... inbetween
[07:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool
[07:27] <Squirm> there's a guy there who will be doing mainly dsktop support
[07:28]  * Squirm smacks his letter 'e'
[07:28] <Squirm> dsktio
[07:28] <Squirm> when I type desktop it doesn't work too well :/
[07:29] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: yeah. I'm hoping it'll set me up for something a lot bigger than where I am now
[07:29] <Squirm> I'm hoping I can do my RHCE through them, but if not, it will be great experience
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> ew
[07:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> In my experience the more a place cares about that sort of thing the less likely I am going to enjoy working there
[07:32] <Trixar_za> That's with MCSE and A+, N+ and Linux+
[07:33] <Trixar_za> RHCE is actually decent
[07:34] <Trixar_za> I once lost my temper with such a employer. After I established that I wont get the job, I told them exactly what I think about people that only hire certification over experience.
[07:35] <Trixar_za> Funny enough, when I get angry, I also get more articulate and my choice of wording improves.
[07:36] <Trixar_za> Although I do have a horrible habit of also using words I've heard before, but don't really know what they mean...
[07:41] <bduk> More almal
[07:41] <Kilos> hi bduk  
[07:46] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: I don't want them to push it, but I'd like to do it
[07:48] <Spekko> Morning peeps!
[07:49] <Squirm> 'lo
[07:50] <Kilos> hi Spekko  charl  
[07:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> downloading done, installing
[07:51] <Kilos> wow that was fast
[07:51] <charl> does anyone happen to have any experience with the lenovo thinkpad t440?
[07:51] <charl> hi Kilos 
[07:51] <charl> i can get it at a really good price (647 euro)
[07:51] <charl> so i'm looking at buying one
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah even less than the 21 minutes it said it would take
[07:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> charl you mean experience as in linux-friendliness or?
[07:52] <charl> yes or experience in general
[07:52] <charl> i'm just asking around before ordering it
[07:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> not that specific model, but i've used other thinkpads, would definitely use again
[07:53] <charl> thinkpads afaik are regarded as some of the ugliest but best laptops around (especially for gnu/linux users)
[07:53] <charl> it's ubuntu certified too
[07:53] <charl> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201310-14260/
[07:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah you should be good
[07:53] <charl> that's a slightly older model though
[07:54] <charl> mine would be a newer version of that
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> only problem i had with my last thinkpad was the fingerprint reader wasn't useable
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> minor
[07:54] <charl> oh i never use that in any case
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah its gimmicky
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'
[07:54] <charl> i don't trust it for one bit
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm a bit spoiled with this ultrabook thing though, not sure if i can ever go back to a normal, fat laptop :-D
[07:55] <charl> yup
[07:55] <charl> this is also considered an ultrabook
[07:55] <charl> the t440
[07:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah, cool
[07:55] <charl> right now i have a lenovo b560
[07:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> whoops lost mouse
[07:56] <charl> not something you would find in a regular store
[07:56] <charl> i ordered it online for 400 euro
[07:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> release upgrade is causing bluetooth to have a fit it seems
[07:57] <charl> ah :(
[07:57] <charl> i don't use any external mice anymore
[07:57] <charl> i have gotten so used to the touchpad i just use that now
[07:58] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:58] <Kilos> thats the worst thing about lappies
[08:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> can't play minetest with a touchpad :)
[08:02] <charl> ah you addicts...
[08:02] <charl> well better that than meth
[08:04] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:05] <Kilos> bluetooth will most likely work once installed and upgraded
[08:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[08:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> 70% installed
[08:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> reboot time
[08:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> that was painless
[08:22] <Squirm> until it fails on boot ;)
[08:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> just rebooted, all good
[08:28] <Kilos> yay
[08:32] <Kilos> lekker when evrything just works
[08:33] <theblazehen> Hey Kilos, others
[08:33] <Kilos> hi theblazehen  
[08:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[08:36] <theblazehen> Hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[09:12] <inetpro> good mornings
[09:12] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[09:13] <charl> hi inetpro 
[09:20] <charl> ok order for the laptop has been placed
[09:20] <charl> looking forward !!
[09:24] <charl> :)
[09:31] <theblazehen> Hey inetpro 
[13:32] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:32] <Kilos> hi superfly  Private_User  
[13:33] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[13:33] <superfly> hi Kilos
[14:08] <charl> terve Kilos 
[14:09] <Kilos> i beg your humble pardon?
[14:09] <charl> i said i would greet you in finnish
[14:09] <charl> now i did
[14:09] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:09] <charl> i dare you to say that's hollywood influence
[14:09] <charl> :P
[14:09] <Kilos> rofl
[14:10] <charl> what, you mean to tell me you don't speak finnish ?! who doesn't speak finnish ... :D
[14:10] <charl> vittu perkele helvetti
[14:10] <Kilos> normal peeps
[14:11] <Kilos> i only speak englikaans
[14:11] <charl> ah you speak the island language
[14:11] <charl> i speake no ingurishu
[14:11] <Kilos> hmm... are we an island or continent
[14:11] <charl> ingurishu is the language of the island natives
[14:12] <Kilos> ya well i dont speak that
[14:12] <charl> although you speak englikaans, that's a regular continental dialect thankfully
[14:12] <charl> very good
[14:12] <charl> i speak dunglish, it's a crappy english
[14:12] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:12] <charl> it's actually dutch-english
[14:13] <charl> when you say things like "good busy, young!" and people look strange at you
[14:13] <charl> then you realise you just spoke dunglish
[14:13] <Kilos> dutch is a very difficult language
[14:13] <charl> it's not as difficult as finnish thoughn
[14:13] <Kilos> ah
[14:13] <Kilos> i dont know why they add on all the bits and pieces
[14:14] <Kilos> afrikaans is so much easier
[14:14] <charl> dutch is almost as difficult as german
[14:14] <charl> german is also a very hard language
[14:14] <charl> mein deutsch ist echt scheisse
[14:14] <charl> i need to take german lessons
[14:15] <Kilos> but english is the worlds language so speaking it properly is good
[14:15] <Kilos> universal language
[14:15] <charl> deutsch ist komplex... ich begreife es nicht
[14:15] <charl> NL is one of the best english speaking countries in the world... dunglish and all
[14:15] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EF_English_Proficiency_Index
[14:16] <charl> #3 on teh list !
[14:17] <Kilos> the main thing is each group understands each other, its only when branching out that english is needed
[14:17] <charl> i really feel like drinking german beer now... i'll buy some hefeweissbier at the shop later
[14:19] <Kilos> im glad i dont drink alcohol
[14:19] <Kilos> waste of money
[14:19] <charl> the bayerische staatsbrauerei weihenstephaner makes some excellent beers, they have been brewing since 1040
[14:20] <Kilos> i have never enjoyed beer unless it was 80+% lemonade
[14:20] <charl> ah the radler... i wouldn't touch it with a stick
[14:20] <charl> we don't drink pink drinks, dave. always, keep it real
[14:20] <Kilos> lol
[14:23] <charl> i wonder where weihenstephaner got its first brewing license from, probably the romans
[14:31] <inetpro> eish!
[14:31] <inetpro> Maaz: translate vittu perkele helvetti
[14:31] <Maaz> inetpro: I couldn't translate that: Please use Translate v2.  See http://code.google.com/apis/language/translate/overview.html.
[14:31] <inetpro> ai!
[14:32] <inetpro> rather not
[14:32] <charl> eh... yup
[14:32] <charl> be careful what you translate inetpro :P
[14:33] <charl> ESPECIALLY if it's finnish :D
[14:33] <Kilos> sjoe did you say bad stuff here
[14:34] <charl> Kilos: it's all in the interpretation ... ;)
[14:34] <Kilos> ai!
[14:35] <Kilos> like the f word
[14:35] <Kilos> some peeps use it in every sentence regardless of company
[14:35] <charl> "the f word" is the name of a town in austria
[14:35] <inetpro> Kilos: anyway, add that to your list of improvements for Maaz
[14:35] <Kilos> i think its very common
[14:35] <charl> in german it isn't profanity
[14:36] <charl> like i said, it's all in the interpretation :P
[14:36] <charl> i happen to speak *some* of a great variety of languages... believe me
[14:36] <charl> i can say things in one language that's perfect everyday language and in a different language it's profane
[14:36] <Kilos> im sure it isnt used by the more educated or higher class peeps
[14:37] <Kilos> movies are full of it now
[14:37] <charl> yeah but those are english speaking movies, then it's profane in any case
[14:37] <charl> some people just have a limited dictionary in their minds
[14:37] <Kilos> ya and use it for empasis
[14:37] <charl> "f* you f*'ing motherf*'er"
[14:38] <Kilos> sjoe that looks wrong
[14:38] <charl> if you talk like that you just demonstrate that you're uneducated
[14:38] <Kilos> yip i dislike that lots
[14:38] <Kilos> emphasis
[14:38] <Kilos> Maaz  spell emphasis
[14:38] <Maaz> Kilos: Yes, you *can* spell
[14:38] <Kilos> oh yay
[14:39] <Kilos> i battle with spelling in both languages
[14:39] <Kilos> but can normally see when a word looks wrong
[14:40] <Kilos> seems like the spelling section of my brain leaked out
[14:43] <charl> home time
[14:43] <charl> have a good evening all!
[16:25] <Kilos> nlsthzn  how was waterworld
[16:30] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos ... it was a lot of fun... still slightly sore and stiff :)_
[16:30] <Kilos> lol
[17:25] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[17:26] <magespawn> hi Kilos 
[17:28] <magespawn> how are things up there? been very windy down here
[17:29] <Kilos> ya and cooler
[17:30] <magespawn> unseasonably cold here, but not really cold
[17:32] <Kilos> we going to 12 again tonight
[17:32] <Kilos> last week we even had a 17
[17:39] <magespawn> you mean number of people?
[17:43] <Golynx> hey , Shuttleworth got his R250 mill back from the reserve bank , but his giving it away lol
[17:44] <Golynx> i thought the guy was broke
[17:44] <Kilos> temp man
[17:47] <Golynx> oh charl not here :/
[17:47] <Kilos> nope
[17:48] <Kilos> hi Joe_knock  
[17:48] <Kilos> charlwft this avy already Golynx  
[17:48] <Kilos> ai!
[17:48] <Kilos> charl left this avy already
[17:49] <Golynx> Kilos i saw charl today
[17:49] <Kilos> aha  you didnt see him leave
[17:49] <Kilos> [16:43] <charl> home time
[17:49] <Kilos> [16:43] <charl> have a good evening all!
[17:50] <Golynx> yeah must've been an incredible sight
[17:50] <Kilos> sometimes he comes back at night
[17:50] <Kilos> rarely though
[17:51] <Golynx> i like the guy we talked about random news stuff alot, heard his moved to some land 
[17:53] <Kilos> he is in the netherlands
[17:53] <Kilos> was here long ago
[17:54] <Golynx> cool, unlimited speed and bandwidth there :p
[17:54] <Kilos> ya
[17:54] <Kilos> swines
[17:56] <Golynx> google launching its internet baloons next year in the southern hemisphere
[17:56] <Golynx> but they starting only in Australia
[17:57] <Kilos> lol typical
[17:57] <Golynx> free LTE doming in the future :)
[17:58] <Golynx> voice calls will be free in a few years time aswell
[17:58] <Golynx> it always seems these chanhes comes too late
[17:58] <Kilos> that will take some doing in za
[17:58] <Golynx> changes*
[17:59] <Kilos> the isps here wont make stuff free for as long as they can hold out
[18:00] <Golynx> i mean the cellular newtwork providers
[18:01] <Golynx> they have to find other ways of generating money in the future, since data is taking over everything
[18:01] <Kilos> they are the worst, look how slowly they are bringing prices down
[18:01] <Golynx> whatsapp will have voip soon
[18:02] <Golynx> so they will be hard hit
[18:03] <Golynx> they have to keep profit margins for their investors
[18:03] <Golynx> but they wont hold out for long
[18:03] <Kilos> long is relative
[18:03] <Kilos> hehe
[18:04] <Kilos> 5 years maybe
[18:04] <Kilos> nothing here is free
[18:04] <Golynx> voice wont last that long
[18:04] <Golynx> yeah 5 years give or take 
[18:06] <Golynx> true, they will probably make you pay a set amount p/m for voice but at extremely cheap rates
[18:07] <Golynx> they have to put their money into other services to stay alive , like vodacom going into the banking services sector
[18:09] <Golynx> the wait is painful, but paradise is coming :)
[18:09] <Kilos> lol
[18:10] <magespawn> some of the service providers say they will charge extra fro voip traffic
[18:10] <Kilos> i think the closest you gonna get to free internet is free wifi when they set it up there
[18:11] <Kilos> and then you gotta buy a coffee to get the password thing
[18:11] <magespawn> certain places already offer free wifi
[18:11] <Kilos> ya but too far from me magespawn  
[18:12] <Kilos> 7 ks and about 100 metres higher than here
[18:12] <Kilos> with a hill in between
[18:13] <Golynx> magespawn: true, but when you look at the high demand for video in the future they will break under the pressure
[18:14] <magespawn> use the ubiquiti google earth plugin to see how to link up Kilos, but you still need permission
[18:14] <Golynx> free wifi is limited by use like they only give you 250 MB per day, which is fair
[18:14] <Kilos> na its not line of site with me magespawn  , ive even tried a yagi
[18:15] <Kilos> we inna bit of a hole here
[18:15] <Kilos> need a 100 metre mast to get line of site
[18:15] <Kilos> easier to just use 8ta
[18:15] <Golynx> Kilos: my hole is bigger than yours lol 
[18:16] <Kilos> lol
[18:17] <Golynx> telkom is making telkom mobile cheaper, but still lack alot in footprint
[18:17] <Kilos> cheaper than the 2+1 promo bundle?
[18:18] <magespawn> put a wireless relay point on top of the hill. who owns the hill?
[18:19] <Golynx> Kilos: thats a good bundle, surely kicks the other offerings
[18:20] <Kilos> yip ive been using it since they started it
[18:21] <Golynx> with googles ballons you gotta have a special kinda antenna attached to your roof to recieve the LTE signal
[18:21] <Golynx> just wished they started rolling it out in africa first
[18:21] <Kilos> i make antennae
[18:22] <Kilos> just need the frequency and you can make your own
[18:22] <Golynx> yeah you can make anything :D
[18:22] <Kilos> but thats years from now as well
[18:23] <Golynx> yip :(
[18:24] <Golynx> facebooks internet streaming drones are even farther years away
[18:25] <spinza> google loon
[18:27] <spinza> http://www.google.com/loon
[18:31] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:55] <kbmonkey> evening
[18:56] <Golynx> hi kbmonkey sir
[18:57] <kbmonkey> hi Golynx 
[19:22] <magespawn> turn away for two seconds and hey presto Kilos goes to bed
[19:47] <magespawn> good night all
[20:00] <Joe_knock> Oom Kilos. Hoe gaanit?
[20:05] <bushtech> [20:31:20] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight