| bluesabre | anybody know when the ubiquity black background started this cycle? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| bluesabre | I think one of the last times this happened, it was because ubiquity broke symlink support | 00:05 |
| bluesabre | hm, it looks like ubiquity only sets the background to black | 00:36 |
| bluesabre | and that xfsettingsd is assumed to set it | 00:36 |
| Unit193 | Last time x-d-s had to use gsettings/gconf/etc to set it. | 00:36 |
| bluesabre | http://paste.ubuntu.com/8469614/ | 00:38 |
| bluesabre | maybe this is the problem... No such schema 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.background' | 00:39 |
| bluesabre | going to try trusty iso and see what that same log has in it | 00:39 |
| Unit193 | [org.gnome.desktop.background] | 00:40 |
| Unit193 | picture-uri='file:///usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/xubuntu-wallpaper.png' | 00:40 |
| Unit193 | Pretty sure that was added, yeah. | 00:40 |
| bluesabre | good news is that we can probably cheat and drop feh into our live deps | 00:41 |
| bluesabre | but we can do better than that :) | 00:42 |
| bluesabre | dang, nothing really different between the two logs | 00:55 |
| ochosi | hey folks, sorry can't make the meeting tonight | 11:56 |
| * ochosi will be travelling again | 11:58 | |
| ochosi | bbabl | 12:00 |
| knome | boo ;) | 12:00 |
| === GridCube is now known as GridOctahedron | ||
| === GridOctahedron is now known as GridCube | ||
| PaulW2U | elfy, re bug #1351590, great to see my bug report in the Xubuntu Beta 2 release notes but I'm no longer seeing this bug on any *buntu flavour | 17:00 |
| ubottu | bug 1351590 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Cannot configure wi-fi in a live-session without logging out and back in again" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1351590 | 17:00 |
| PaulW2U | I don't know if anyone has specifically tested for this bug but I feel that it should either be closed or marked as invalid | 17:01 |
| PaulW2U | I'll carry on testing all flavours for a while but Xubuntu was the only flavour that acknowledged this bug | 17:02 |
| elfy | PaulW2U: pretty much what happens is if I see bugs in tests recently I'll list them | 17:11 |
| elfy | things like that are particularly hard for me to deal with as wifi just works for me :) | 17:12 |
| PaulW2U | OK, my test laptop only uses wi-fi so if I'm not seeing that bug close to release time I may mark it incomplete if no-one else confirms it before then. | 17:14 |
| elfy | ok - if no-one else reports it I'll ignore it from now on | 17:15 |
| PaulW2U | great, no point in littering release notes that only one person has seen and may be hardware specific anyway ;) | 17:19 |
| elfy | anyone seen slickymasterWork lately | 17:58 |
| knome | i've never seen him | 17:59 |
| knome | :P :P :P | 17:59 |
| slickymasterWork | there's still 2 minutes | 17:59 |
| slickymasterWork | correction, one now | 17:59 |
| slickymasterWork | !team | meeting time | 18:00 |
| ubottu | meeting time: bluesabre, elfy, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 | 18:00 |
| slickymasterWork | #startmeeting | 18:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Wed Oct 1 18:00:24 2014 UTC. The chair is slickymasterWork. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 18:00 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 18:00 |
| dkessel | I'll try to participate somehow today. If I can... | 18:00 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 18:00 |
| slickymasterWork | So who's here for the meeting? | 18:00 |
| elfy | possibly :) | 18:00 |
| slickymasterWork | #chair knome pleia2 | 18:00 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: knome pleia2 slickymasterWork | 18:00 |
| * dkessel | 18:00 | |
| slickymasterWork | with just three attendants it will be a quick one I guess :P | 18:02 |
| elfy | ignoring me then are you :| | 18:02 |
| slickymasterWork | knome, ping | 18:02 |
| slickymasterWork | now elfy, you were included in those three, with pleia2 and dkessel | 18:03 |
| slickymasterWork | s/now/no | 18:03 |
| slickymasterWork | anyway | 18:03 |
| slickymasterWork | #topic Open action items | 18:03 |
| slickymasterWork | I guess the only open item is QA Incentives | 18:04 |
| slickymasterWork | http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive | 18:04 |
| elfy | not sure why that's still there tbh | 18:04 |
| pleia2 | I still have to contact the sticker folks | 18:04 |
| pleia2 | should have a plan for when they say "sure, we'll send you X, where to?" | 18:05 |
| pleia2 | I can be the sticker mule and ship them out from here | 18:05 |
| slickymasterWork | thanks for that pleia2 | 18:05 |
| dkessel | hmm that pad does not state the goal of the incentives intiative, or does it? | 18:05 |
| pleia2 | the goal is to make people do testing ;) | 18:06 |
| dkessel | define testing | 18:06 |
| elfy | dkessel: check out the numbers of people testing - should be self-explanatory then | 18:06 |
| dkessel | run manual tests? | 18:06 |
| slickymasterWork | yes, increase the number of reported tests | 18:06 |
| elfy | and images | 18:06 |
| pleia2 | package and iso tests | 18:06 |
| dkessel | ok ok. i was not part of the discussion that lead to that pad ;) | 18:07 |
| pleia2 | see line 3 :) | 18:07 |
| dkessel | making automatic test coverage better could be another goal | 18:07 |
| knome | pong | 18:07 |
| slickymasterWork | wb knome ;) | 18:08 |
| elfy | dkessel: images are tested daily - or should be - that though doesn't mean it catches all bugs with that - reference all the vm bugs, the black background missing and others | 18:08 |
| elfy | and auto package testing we've been trying to get off the ground for 3 cycles | 18:09 |
| elfy | that is still currently grinding it's face along the floor | 18:09 |
| dkessel | i remember... | 18:09 |
| dkessel | if only i had more time | 18:09 |
| elfy | :) | 18:09 |
| slickymasterWork | anyway, per what pleia2 stated I don't think we should consider it as # done | 18:10 |
| slickymasterWork | or does anyone has a different view? | 18:10 |
| elfy | I agree - but I don't see there's much to be gained by bringing it up each week - unless we just postpone it week by week | 18:11 |
| pleia2 | we should split it into action items | 18:11 |
| slickymasterWork | pleia2, knome, what are your views ^^ | 18:11 |
| pleia2 | #action pleia2 to contact unixstickers | 18:11 |
| meetingology | ACTION: pleia2 to contact unixstickers | 18:11 |
| slickymasterWork | okie dokie | 18:11 |
| slickymasterWork | moving on | 18:11 |
| slickymasterWork | #topic Team updates | 18:12 |
| elfy | that's the only urgentish bit - the t-shirts aren't needed till after 15.04 releases | 18:12 |
| slickymasterWork | elfy, beta 2. The floor is yours | 18:12 |
| elfy | I can go - got mine in a txt file | 18:12 |
| elfy | #info Final Beta testing 64bit 9 install tests, 6 livesession and 3 post install tests | 18:12 |
| elfy | #info Final Beta testing 32bit 9 install tests, 7 livesession and 2 post install tests | 18:12 |
| elfy | #info Final Beta testing Team Testing - (excluding XPL & QA Lead) - 5 team members (50%) tested images during Final Beta, 3 outside team tested. 10 total. | 18:12 |
| elfy | that's the beta stuff | 18:12 |
| elfy | #info bug 1375893 needs to be sorted soon | 18:13 |
| ubottu | bug 1375893 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Black background to Try/Install Dialogue" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1375893 | 18:13 |
| elfy | #info vm bug(s) still present - should be fixed tomorrow (2/10) | 18:13 |
| elfy | done | 18:13 |
| slickymasterWork | well, half of the team did manage to test :) | 18:13 |
| GridCube | \o | 18:13 |
| slickymasterWork | that's an improvement | 18:13 |
| elfy | not good really - 9 tests for each arch | 18:13 |
| slickymasterWork | those numbers are better then beta1 anyway | 18:14 |
| elfy | pointless me saying anymore on that | 18:14 |
| GridCube | is that more or less than last cycle averages? | 18:14 |
| elfy | I would guess that we got more people testing 1 milestone last cycle than we've had test the whole of this cycle | 18:14 |
| GridCube | thats quite bad | 18:14 |
| slickymasterWork | yeah, but last cycle was a LTS one | 18:15 |
| elfy | yep - I've given up tbh - I just send the calls out because I said I would | 18:15 |
| knome | yes, LTS+1 is always slow and quiet | 18:15 |
| elfy | and someone should | 18:15 |
| knome | still more or less afk | 18:15 |
| GridCube | thats understable elfy | 18:15 |
| elfy | knome: that may be so - but I expect more from -team | 18:15 |
| elfy | some haven't tested and reported all cycle | 18:16 |
| elfy | I shouldn't have to ask team seperately | 18:16 |
| slickymasterWork | and that's to be expected elfy. -team should set an example | 18:17 |
| knome | yes, agree, and i'm sorry | 18:17 |
| elfy | move on to whoever else has team updates | 18:17 |
| elfy | knome: I'm not pointing fingers at *anyone* - team is team | 18:17 |
| slickymasterWork | pleia2, any marketing updates? | 18:17 |
| knome | yes, we should get better with 15.04... | 18:17 |
| pleia2 | #info knome and pleia2 working to engage users more with #LoveXubuntu idea: http://pad.ubuntu.com/Nl1LbS6DqL | 18:17 |
| pleia2 | I think that's it for now | 18:18 |
| knome | yep, will put some time to that | 18:19 |
| elfy | never seen that | 18:19 |
| * slickymasterWork neither | 18:19 | |
| knome | well, that's a new idea;) | 18:19 |
| pleia2 | it evolved out of some engagement discussions in the spring, we finally came up with an idea ;) | 18:20 |
| elfy | should perhaps have been on agenda or should be in future then | 18:20 |
| pleia2 | it's not happening immediately, just a quick fyi now, we'll flesh it out and agendaize it later | 18:20 |
| elfy | k | 18:20 |
| slickymasterWork | ok, I think we can safely skip 'Announcements' or does anyone have any? | 18:21 |
| slickymasterWork | right | 18:21 |
| slickymasterWork | #topic Discussion | 18:21 |
| slickymasterWork | #subtopic list of projects we need/want to maintain translations | 18:21 |
| slickymasterWork | so, with the intention of encouraging people to translate, knome come up with the idea of either creating a wikipage that lists all software that we ship/care about and where their translations are being done or update the "Get involved" page for translations | 18:22 |
| slickymasterWork | so we sketched up a listing of projects of which translations, Xubuntu care about -> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-apps-translations | 18:22 |
| slickymasterWork | the idea would be to have a sane list of projects we need/want to maintain translations for | 18:22 |
| knome | ^ that list should probably go to the "processes" page | 18:22 |
| slickymasterWork | yes, but firstly I would like that -team would have some sort of an opinion on the list itself | 18:23 |
| slickymasterWork | any takers? | 18:24 |
| elfy | might have been useful to have it on the agenda - no-one knew you were going to discuss it :) | 18:24 |
| knome | yes, but since processes is editable by anyone any time, we should drop that list there soonish | 18:24 |
| slickymasterWork | that's my fault :P | 18:24 |
| knome | well it's brought up now P | 18:24 |
| elfy | currently that list looks sane | 18:25 |
| slickymasterWork | elfy, any app you think that might/ought be added? | 18:25 |
| knome | assign a work item to me to send a mail to the list and i'll do that today | 18:25 |
| slickymasterWork | or dropped? | 18:25 |
| elfy | slickymasterWork: why are the out of scope ones there? | 18:26 |
| slickymasterWork | #action knome to send a mail to the list regarding list of projects we need/want to maintain translations | 18:26 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome to send a mail to the list regarding list of projects we need/want to maintain translations | 18:26 |
| slickymasterWork | to which ones are you referring elfy ? | 18:26 |
| elfy | the 4 in the out of scope list | 18:26 |
| elfy | gimp, abiword, gnumeric and gmb | 18:27 |
| slickymasterWork | those were/are ment for discussion | 18:27 |
| elfy | still ambivalent about gmb anyway - not sure we should seed that at all | 18:27 |
| elfy | parole plays music | 18:27 |
| knome | elfy, that's another discussion, and i partly agree | 18:27 |
| slickymasterWork | but just plays music | 18:28 |
| knome | but let's leave that for some other time | 18:28 |
| elfy | using the same argument that we used for xchat/pidgin - we don't need both | 18:28 |
| slickymasterWork | elfy, pidgin is going to be used as IRC interface | 18:28 |
| elfy | ok - well lets deal with the translations first - sorry :) | 18:28 |
| slickymasterWork | I'll add this item to the agenda for the next meeting | 18:29 |
| slickymasterWork | anything else? | 18:29 |
| elfy | why not discuss it in a moment? | 18:29 |
| slickymasterWork | sure | 18:29 |
| dkessel | i would suggest including abiword and gnumeric in "Used by Xubuntu" | 18:30 |
| dkessel | as they are the default office applications, and office apps are important for users | 18:30 |
| elfy | so - translations - I'd guess that those for anything we have as default should be covered | 18:30 |
| knome | i'll send comments on the mail for the reason why they are not on the list | 18:30 |
| knome | elfy, you/we can discuss gmb now, but i'm more or less off | 18:30 |
| elfy | if it's an issue of people and time - that's something else | 18:30 |
| knome | so it wouldn't be very sensible... | 18:31 |
| elfy | knome: that could be said for any discussion we have where we've only got 2 or 3 people kicking about | 18:31 |
| knome | it's that; and gnome has it's own translation teams, and i don't think translating gnumeric/abiword is the #1 item for our translators who already are limited and have limited time | 18:31 |
| elfy | knome: ok - I can ack that concern completely | 18:32 |
| knome | elfy, i'm not saying you can't have the discussion, but i can't bring any thoughts in it :) | 18:32 |
| knome | but as i said, yes, we should consider dropping gmb | 18:32 |
| knome | though i'd like *some* media player that handles *collections* in some way as a replacement | 18:32 |
| dkessel | ok, then it is sane to only list default apps where there are not many people currently involved with translations... | 18:32 |
| knome | but that's something i don't have time to argument for | 18:32 |
| slickymasterWork | the way I see that list has to be a compromise between the perspective of newly come into xubuntu/linux ecosystem users and what existing xubuntu users are interested in | 18:32 |
| elfy | I'd be happier perhaps to see the out of scope items called when we've got time :) | 18:33 |
| knome | the #1 thing to translate is the xubuntu documentation | 18:33 |
| knome | then we got all the core components + xfce | 18:33 |
| knome | then everything else that's seeded in xubuntu | 18:33 |
| knome | and then everything in the repository | 18:33 |
| slickymasterWork | it's up to the -team to prioritize the translations elfy | 18:33 |
| elfy | I've not got a problem with saying foo is more important to us than bar | 18:33 |
| knome | there will *always* be fallback items | 18:33 |
| elfy | out of scope just suggests never to me :) | 18:34 |
| knome | and there is always people who rather use their time translating gnumeric than xubuntu docs, so *shrug* | 18:34 |
| slickymasterWork | and we must not forget that all xfce stuff is already covered by https://wiki.xfce.org/translations | 18:34 |
| knome | elfy, yes, they wouldn't be on the list if they don't move to any other group :) | 18:34 |
| elfy | as it stands - that list looks sane to me in general | 18:35 |
| slickymasterWork | pleia2 what's your take on this? | 18:35 |
| slickymasterWork | mm, okay. Anything else? | 18:36 |
| slickymasterWork | right, so who's next chairing? | 18:37 |
| elfy | pleia2 | 18:37 |
| slickymasterWork | pleia2, want to schedule now? | 18:37 |
| slickymasterWork | lol, she fall asleep :) | 18:38 |
| slickymasterWork | #action pleia2 to schedule the next meeting. | 18:38 |
| meetingology | ACTION: pleia2 to schedule the next meeting. | 18:38 |
| slickymasterWork | that's it | 18:38 |
| slickymasterWork | #endmeeting | 18:38 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Wed Oct 1 18:38:51 2014 UTC. | 18:38 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-10-01-18.00.moin.txt | 18:38 |
| elfy | so we'll not bother starting a discussion on gmb then lol | 18:39 |
| slickymasterWork | I'll be glad to elfy, but first I have to go home for dinner :P | 18:40 |
| * slickymasterWork damns https://login.ubuntu.com | 18:41 | |
| elfy | hating on the wiki again :) | 18:42 |
| slickymasterWork | I'm still waiting on it to login :P | 18:43 |
| slickymasterWork | minutes are finally up | 18:50 |
| slickymasterWork | I'm off now | 18:51 |
| slickymasterWork | cy later -> | 18:51 |
| pleia2 | sorry, had a call | 19:11 |
| dkessel | hmm. does anybody have an idea how to debug what "update-manager -d -c" is doing all the time? i am trying to do an 14.04 -> 14.10 update test and it is not doing anything anymore after selecting "upgrade..." - yet the process is not finished... | 19:16 |
| dkessel | i'll just file a bug | 19:25 |
| dkessel | there you go: bug 1376414 | 19:39 |
| ubottu | bug 1376414 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "upgrade from xubuntu 14.04 to 14.10 fails, no user feedback" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1376414 | 19:39 |
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