[00:00] anybody know when the ubiquity black background started this cycle? [00:05] I think one of the last times this happened, it was because ubiquity broke symlink support [00:36] hm, it looks like ubiquity only sets the background to black [00:36] and that xfsettingsd is assumed to set it [00:36] Last time x-d-s had to use gsettings/gconf/etc to set it. [00:38] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8469614/ [00:39] maybe this is the problem... No such schema 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.background' [00:39] going to try trusty iso and see what that same log has in it [00:40] [org.gnome.desktop.background] [00:40] picture-uri='file:///usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/xubuntu-wallpaper.png' [00:40] Pretty sure that was added, yeah. [00:41] good news is that we can probably cheat and drop feh into our live deps [00:42] but we can do better than that :) [00:55] dang, nothing really different between the two logs [11:56] hey folks, sorry can't make the meeting tonight [11:58] * ochosi will be travelling again [12:00] bbabl [12:00] boo ;) === GridCube is now known as GridOctahedron === GridOctahedron is now known as GridCube [17:00] elfy, re bug #1351590, great to see my bug report in the Xubuntu Beta 2 release notes but I'm no longer seeing this bug on any *buntu flavour [17:00] bug 1351590 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Cannot configure wi-fi in a live-session without logging out and back in again" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1351590 [17:01] I don't know if anyone has specifically tested for this bug but I feel that it should either be closed or marked as invalid [17:02] I'll carry on testing all flavours for a while but Xubuntu was the only flavour that acknowledged this bug [17:11] PaulW2U: pretty much what happens is if I see bugs in tests recently I'll list them [17:12] things like that are particularly hard for me to deal with as wifi just works for me :) [17:14] OK, my test laptop only uses wi-fi so if I'm not seeing that bug close to release time I may mark it incomplete if no-one else confirms it before then. [17:15] ok - if no-one else reports it I'll ignore it from now on [17:19] great, no point in littering release notes that only one person has seen and may be hardware specific anyway ;) [17:58] anyone seen slickymasterWork lately [17:59] i've never seen him [17:59] :P :P :P [17:59] there's still 2 minutes [17:59] correction, one now [18:00] !team | meeting time [18:00] meeting time: bluesabre, elfy, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 [18:00] #startmeeting [18:00] Meeting started Wed Oct 1 18:00:24 2014 UTC. The chair is slickymasterWork. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [18:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [18:00] I'll try to participate somehow today. If I can... [18:00] o/ [18:00] So who's here for the meeting? [18:00] possibly :) [18:00] #chair knome pleia2 [18:00] Current chairs: knome pleia2 slickymasterWork [18:00] * dkessel [18:02] with just three attendants it will be a quick one I guess :P [18:02] ignoring me then are you :| [18:02] knome, ping [18:03] now elfy, you were included in those three, with pleia2 and dkessel [18:03] s/now/no [18:03] anyway [18:03] #topic Open action items [18:04] I guess the only open item is QA Incentives [18:04] http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive [18:04] not sure why that's still there tbh [18:04] I still have to contact the sticker folks [18:05] should have a plan for when they say "sure, we'll send you X, where to?" [18:05] I can be the sticker mule and ship them out from here [18:05] thanks for that pleia2 [18:05] hmm that pad does not state the goal of the incentives intiative, or does it? [18:06] the goal is to make people do testing ;) [18:06] define testing [18:06] dkessel: check out the numbers of people testing - should be self-explanatory then [18:06] run manual tests? [18:06] yes, increase the number of reported tests [18:06] and images [18:06] package and iso tests [18:07] ok ok. i was not part of the discussion that lead to that pad ;) [18:07] see line 3 :) [18:07] making automatic test coverage better could be another goal [18:07] pong [18:08] wb knome ;) [18:08] dkessel: images are tested daily - or should be - that though doesn't mean it catches all bugs with that - reference all the vm bugs, the black background missing and others [18:09] and auto package testing we've been trying to get off the ground for 3 cycles [18:09] that is still currently grinding it's face along the floor [18:09] i remember... [18:09] if only i had more time [18:09] :) [18:10] anyway, per what pleia2 stated I don't think we should consider it as # done [18:10] or does anyone has a different view? [18:11] I agree - but I don't see there's much to be gained by bringing it up each week - unless we just postpone it week by week [18:11] we should split it into action items [18:11] pleia2, knome, what are your views ^^ [18:11] #action pleia2 to contact unixstickers [18:11] ACTION: pleia2 to contact unixstickers [18:11] okie dokie [18:11] moving on [18:12] #topic Team updates [18:12] that's the only urgentish bit - the t-shirts aren't needed till after 15.04 releases [18:12] elfy, beta 2. The floor is yours [18:12] I can go - got mine in a txt file [18:12] #info Final Beta testing 64bit 9 install tests, 6 livesession and 3 post install tests [18:12] #info Final Beta testing 32bit 9 install tests, 7 livesession and 2 post install tests [18:12] #info Final Beta testing Team Testing - (excluding XPL & QA Lead) - 5 team members (50%) tested images during Final Beta, 3 outside team tested. 10 total. [18:12] that's the beta stuff [18:13] #info bug 1375893 needs to be sorted soon [18:13] bug 1375893 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Black background to Try/Install Dialogue" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1375893 [18:13] #info vm bug(s) still present - should be fixed tomorrow (2/10) [18:13] done [18:13] well, half of the team did manage to test :) [18:13] \o [18:13] that's an improvement [18:13] not good really - 9 tests for each arch [18:14] those numbers are better then beta1 anyway [18:14] pointless me saying anymore on that [18:14] is that more or less than last cycle averages? [18:14] I would guess that we got more people testing 1 milestone last cycle than we've had test the whole of this cycle [18:14] thats quite bad [18:15] yeah, but last cycle was a LTS one [18:15] yep - I've given up tbh - I just send the calls out because I said I would [18:15] yes, LTS+1 is always slow and quiet [18:15] and someone should [18:15] still more or less afk [18:15] thats understable elfy [18:15] knome: that may be so - but I expect more from -team [18:16] some haven't tested and reported all cycle [18:16] I shouldn't have to ask team seperately [18:17] and that's to be expected elfy. -team should set an example [18:17] yes, agree, and i'm sorry [18:17] move on to whoever else has team updates [18:17] knome: I'm not pointing fingers at *anyone* - team is team [18:17] pleia2, any marketing updates? [18:17] yes, we should get better with 15.04... [18:17] #info knome and pleia2 working to engage users more with #LoveXubuntu idea: http://pad.ubuntu.com/Nl1LbS6DqL [18:18] I think that's it for now [18:19] yep, will put some time to that [18:19] never seen that [18:19] * slickymasterWork neither [18:19] well, that's a new idea;) [18:20] it evolved out of some engagement discussions in the spring, we finally came up with an idea ;) [18:20] should perhaps have been on agenda or should be in future then [18:20] it's not happening immediately, just a quick fyi now, we'll flesh it out and agendaize it later [18:20] k [18:21] ok, I think we can safely skip 'Announcements' or does anyone have any? [18:21] right [18:21] #topic Discussion [18:21] #subtopic list of projects we need/want to maintain translations [18:22] so, with the intention of encouraging people to translate, knome come up with the idea of either creating a wikipage that lists all software that we ship/care about and where their translations are being done or update the "Get involved" page for translations [18:22] so we sketched up a listing of projects of which translations, Xubuntu care about -> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-apps-translations [18:22] the idea would be to have a sane list of projects we need/want to maintain translations for [18:22] ^ that list should probably go to the "processes" page [18:23] yes, but firstly I would like that -team would have some sort of an opinion on the list itself [18:24] any takers? [18:24] might have been useful to have it on the agenda - no-one knew you were going to discuss it :) [18:24] yes, but since processes is editable by anyone any time, we should drop that list there soonish [18:24] that's my fault :P [18:24] well it's brought up now P [18:25] currently that list looks sane [18:25] elfy, any app you think that might/ought be added? [18:25] assign a work item to me to send a mail to the list and i'll do that today [18:25] or dropped? [18:26] slickymasterWork: why are the out of scope ones there? [18:26] #action knome to send a mail to the list regarding list of projects we need/want to maintain translations [18:26] ACTION: knome to send a mail to the list regarding list of projects we need/want to maintain translations [18:26] to which ones are you referring elfy ? [18:26] the 4 in the out of scope list [18:27] gimp, abiword, gnumeric and gmb [18:27] those were/are ment for discussion [18:27] still ambivalent about gmb anyway - not sure we should seed that at all [18:27] parole plays music [18:27] elfy, that's another discussion, and i partly agree [18:28] but just plays music [18:28] but let's leave that for some other time [18:28] using the same argument that we used for xchat/pidgin - we don't need both [18:28] elfy, pidgin is going to be used as IRC interface [18:28] ok - well lets deal with the translations first - sorry :) [18:29] I'll add this item to the agenda for the next meeting [18:29] anything else? [18:29] why not discuss it in a moment? [18:29] sure [18:30] i would suggest including abiword and gnumeric in "Used by Xubuntu" [18:30] as they are the default office applications, and office apps are important for users [18:30] so - translations - I'd guess that those for anything we have as default should be covered [18:30] i'll send comments on the mail for the reason why they are not on the list [18:30] elfy, you/we can discuss gmb now, but i'm more or less off [18:30] if it's an issue of people and time - that's something else [18:31] so it wouldn't be very sensible... [18:31] knome: that could be said for any discussion we have where we've only got 2 or 3 people kicking about [18:31] it's that; and gnome has it's own translation teams, and i don't think translating gnumeric/abiword is the #1 item for our translators who already are limited and have limited time [18:32] knome: ok - I can ack that concern completely [18:32] elfy, i'm not saying you can't have the discussion, but i can't bring any thoughts in it :) [18:32] but as i said, yes, we should consider dropping gmb [18:32] though i'd like *some* media player that handles *collections* in some way as a replacement [18:32] ok, then it is sane to only list default apps where there are not many people currently involved with translations... [18:32] but that's something i don't have time to argument for [18:32] the way I see that list has to be a compromise between the perspective of newly come into xubuntu/linux ecosystem users and what existing xubuntu users are interested in [18:33] I'd be happier perhaps to see the out of scope items called when we've got time :) [18:33] the #1 thing to translate is the xubuntu documentation [18:33] then we got all the core components + xfce [18:33] then everything else that's seeded in xubuntu [18:33] and then everything in the repository [18:33] it's up to the -team to prioritize the translations elfy [18:33] I've not got a problem with saying foo is more important to us than bar [18:33] there will *always* be fallback items [18:34] out of scope just suggests never to me :) [18:34] and there is always people who rather use their time translating gnumeric than xubuntu docs, so *shrug* [18:34] and we must not forget that all xfce stuff is already covered by https://wiki.xfce.org/translations [18:34] elfy, yes, they wouldn't be on the list if they don't move to any other group :) [18:35] as it stands - that list looks sane to me in general [18:35] pleia2 what's your take on this? [18:36] mm, okay. Anything else? [18:37] right, so who's next chairing? [18:37] pleia2 [18:37] pleia2, want to schedule now? [18:38] lol, she fall asleep :) [18:38] #action pleia2 to schedule the next meeting. [18:38] ACTION: pleia2 to schedule the next meeting. [18:38] that's it [18:38] #endmeeting [18:38] Meeting ended Wed Oct 1 18:38:51 2014 UTC. [18:38] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-10-01-18.00.moin.txt [18:39] so we'll not bother starting a discussion on gmb then lol [18:40] I'll be glad to elfy, but first I have to go home for dinner :P [18:41] * slickymasterWork damns https://login.ubuntu.com [18:42] hating on the wiki again :) [18:43] I'm still waiting on it to login :P [18:50] minutes are finally up [18:51] I'm off now [18:51] cy later -> [19:11] sorry, had a call [19:16] hmm. does anybody have an idea how to debug what "update-manager -d -c" is doing all the time? i am trying to do an 14.04 -> 14.10 update test and it is not doing anything anymore after selecting "upgrade..." - yet the process is not finished... [19:25] i'll just file a bug [19:39] there you go: bug 1376414 [19:39] bug 1376414 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "upgrade from xubuntu 14.04 to 14.10 fails, no user feedback" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1376414