[02:01] 14.10 had some problems on update... qml-module-org-kde-extensionplugin not being installed... Had to install by it self [02:01] yes [02:01] well, apt-get install -f worked [02:01] funny how one package can cause so many problems... [02:02] the longer the name (and sometimes shorter the name...) the more trouble it can cause [02:02] now it done setting up... reboot see if eveything works [02:02] but anything with 'org-kde' in the name is gonna be sort of important [02:03] yeah [02:03] * valorie boots into neon5 for some testing [02:09] that qml-module-org-kde-extensionplugin ... was problem dophin not seeimg my usb drive... now it there.... now plug tv back in.. see if it gets full screen... it was only giving panel on 1/2 the screen size === chs is now known as chris17 === chris17 is now known as chs [06:18] good morning [06:23] Good morning. [09:16] apachelogger: did you come up with a good short name for gpl+ev licence? [09:16] morning [09:17] it's sgclark! [09:17] :) [09:17] it must be pre-morning for you [09:18] so is there a git version of bzr-buildpackage-ppa? or how does this work now? [09:18] hehe yeah [09:19] 2:18 am but I went to bed early, so it's good. [09:20] sgclark: I just made one yesterday in kubuntu-automation scripts [09:20] git-buildpackage-ppa [09:20] sgclark: what are you looking to package? [09:20] cool thanks [09:20] I was going to help with plasma if it is still needed [09:20] yep, let me write up on the notes page where I'm at [09:21] sgclark: how's 14.04.1 in trusty? [09:21] was done, let me double check [09:23] yep, Riddell: green minus one active depend, but we dropped active [09:23] https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas-frameworks Plasma 5.0.95 updated [09:24] sgclark: great, I'll copy over to ~kubuntu-ppa/backports [09:24] ty, will start on plasma [09:29] what we don't have is an equivalent of knextbzr [09:29] knextgit should clone then checkout the right branch [09:29] oh and be written in python, just to watch harald squirm :) [09:29] lol [09:56] Riddell: I had multiple suggestions in debian-qt-kde :P [09:57] Riddell: hottest contenders IMHO are 'GPL-KDEeV' or 'GPL-2 or GPL-3 or GPL-KDEeV' [09:58] personally I would go with former because IIRC from a spec POV both versions are $random as as such are not considered a standard license [10:01] groovy, GPL-KDEeV it is [10:04] interesting, Riddell: kio-extras depends on a function added to kio in 5.3.0, which afaik has not been released has it? [10:04] sgclark: aah fooey :( [10:05] Riddell: are you adjusting master to fix the lintians? [10:07] sgclark: kwin will be the same, we may need to skip over those ones for now [10:07] ok [10:07] sgclark: sorry that's my upstream-hat-on fault [10:07] np [10:08] apachelogger: I'm adjusting kubuntu_utopic_next [10:08] of plasma packages [10:10] Riddell: ok [10:10] going to get merges going against that then [10:10] * apachelogger actually wonders how to best automate merges from multiple different branches [10:54] Riddell: which repo already has a next branch? [10:54] or perhaps the question is... why do I look at repos and they have none? ^^ [10:55] apachelogger: all the plasma ones do [10:55] * sgclark is very confused [10:55] hm [10:55] master does not match this kubuntu_utopic_next, is that right? [10:55] Riddell: computer says no [10:55] sgclark: right, I'm working with kubuntu_utopic_next [10:55] which alos does not match what is in ppa [10:56] kubuntu_utopic_next should match ppa [10:56] ok [10:56] Riddell: something is weird in jenkins [10:56] nevermind me === vinay is now known as Guest77702 [11:16] Hiyas all [11:17] hiyas [11:17] hiho [11:17] sgclark: working on P5.1b ? [11:18] what's new today, sgclark? [11:18] well, trying [11:18] Riddell: I need a git for dummies. I can't seem to push to a branch. I only have experience with working with master. and nothing is working [11:19] iv seen several pacvkages faild to build in staging [11:19] git push -u origin development :D [11:20] this is how i push my PHP code to devel branch -.- [11:20] Riddell: also that git-buildpackage-ppa is erroring with missing files and debsign wants your key. Not sure what is wrong there, this is a new desktop, perhaps I missed a config setting somewhere [11:21] soee: not sure how far I will get, some packages depend on frameworks 5.3.0 which doesn't exist yet. [11:23] sgclark: 5.3.0 was not released ort just dont get into Kubuntu ? [11:23] sgclark: got this in ~/.gitconfig ? http://paste.kde.org/pemfrk8wi [11:23] and can you ssh in ? [11:23] (with the right username) [11:23] soee: tried your command, still get everything up to date, yet git diff says otherwise [11:24] don't run soee's command that uses a different branch name [11:24] sgclark: can you ssh jriddell-guest@git.debian.org ? [11:24] and run group it should tell you jriddell-guest pkg-kde scm_pkg-kd [11:24] I used kubunut_utopic_next [11:24] sgclark: mine was example how i work with git but my personal codes, this has nothign to do with yours [11:25] will KF5 and plasma5 remain optional in the 14.10 official release? [11:25] Riddell: yes I can ssh in [11:25] BluesKaj: yes [11:26] Riddell, ok, thanks [11:26] group: command not found [11:27] sgclark: groups [11:27] sgclark-guest pkg-kde scm_pkg-kde scm_sepwatch [11:27] scm_sepwatch ? elite! [11:27] anyway that looks fine [11:28] sgclark: got ~/.gitconfig set up ? [11:28] yeah that is set [11:29] sgclark: groovy, so you have a branch? [11:29] well a git repo clone ? [11:30] git clone debian:plasma/libksysguard [11:30] git checkout kubuntu_utopic_next [11:31] looking good [11:31] you've made a commit ? [11:31] git diff shows my changes, but all push attempts says up to date.. so what is the push command? [11:31] commit... lol duh, thanks [11:32] commit is a two stage process in git too [11:32] git add mychangedfile [11:32] git commit -m "change mychangedfile" [11:33] or you can go git commit -a to commit all modified files [11:33] git log to check it's been commmitted [11:33] then git push should do the right thing to send it to git.debian.org [11:35] ehm [11:35] 99% of the time you want debcommit or debcommit -a [11:35] that is to say, if you do not use debcommit you'll get in a world of trouble with both debian and me [11:36] rule of thumb: did the changelog change? -> use debcommit [11:36] ugh [11:36] apachelogger: what's the difference? [11:36] well too late for this one. noted for next time [11:36] debcommit will use what you wrote in debian/changelog [11:37] ok [11:37] I copy and pasted lol, debcommit sounds easier [11:37] *nod* [11:37] now onto a debsign problem... [11:38] also when tagging I suppose everyone has to use debcommit to get the tags right [11:38] I did definitely see weird perl rejections hooks on the server side [11:38] oh yeah [11:38] >cat ~/.devscripts [11:38] DEBSIGN_KEYID=jriddell@ubuntu.com [11:38] shadeslayer: there's a gigantic perl git hook on the server that does all sorts of weird shit :P [11:38] sgclark: set that for your e-mail, otherwise it'll use whatever is in the latest debian/changelog [11:38] I didn't understand half the code [11:38] so I :q! [11:39] did not exist. fixed, thanks [11:39] sgclark: and I also get lots of "dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file" on running git-buildpackage, but I ignore them and it seems to be ok [11:39] sgclark: you could also define -kID or -kYourName or -kPartOfYourNameAssumingNoneElseInTheKeyringHasThatName [11:40] dpkg-buildpackage -s -kSitter is what I do, mind you I do have multiple keys for different purposes, so I kinda have to be explicit ^^ [11:40] sgclark: git-buildpackage seems to prefer you to have one of those weird branches with the upstream source in the branch too so I'm guessing this is just a bug from that preference [11:40] ok [11:40] Riddell: you can make it not do that [11:40] unfortunately I lost my zsh_history for some reason [11:40] so I cannot tell you what pile of arguments you need to make it behave as bzr buildpackage [11:41] somthing to figure out on a rainy afternoon I suppose [11:41] "git-buildpackage", "--git-ignore-branch", "--git-no-create-orig", "--git-ignore-new", "-S" is what git-buildpackage-ppa uses [11:41] nah, that sounds more liberal than what I had [11:42] you republican you, go back to the NRA [11:42] pft [11:42] it's important [11:42] if the stuff is too liberal it will take dirty bits from the repo, and we most certainly don't want uncommited nonesense in an upload [11:42] so caution is very much of use here [11:43] going to attempt a CI automerge rollout [11:43] ok, almost 3 hours later.. one package done heh [11:44] yay! [11:44] lol [11:44] what does need doing anyway? [11:44] plasma 5.0.95 [11:44] AFAIK only breeze and kwin and maybe ksysguard should make problems [11:44] Riddell: yeah, but it's been mostly CId [11:44] hmm, I think we are stuck on the 5.3.0 frameworks issue? [11:44] there shouldn't be any big issues [11:44] two new packages [11:45] oh yeah, the frameworks bit in kwin probably is a biggy [11:45] some new translations [11:45] and kwin depending on frameworks 5.3 [11:45] kio-extras as well [11:46] I don't suppose we can only update to the git versions of the required frameworks? [11:46] the problem with this issue is it may end up with plasma schedule moving forward two weeks which means it can't be included in kubuntu [11:53] hi shevron [11:54] hi Riddel [11:56] why does frameworkintegration dep on oxygen? [11:56] a build dep that is [11:56] makes ENOSENSE [11:57] wat [11:57] blame shows me [11:57] ok, no, I just moved things around [11:57] Riddell: ^^ changelog mentions you [11:58] Riddell: a90ac25f803889b75b7f7029baf9b3b611a77300 [12:00] and the actual runtime dep is missing ofcourse [12:01] shadeslayer: not sure, check it builds without and remove if you want [12:02] well [12:02] Riddell: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/186046131/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-amd64.frameworkintegration_5.2.0-0ubuntu1_UPLOADING.txt.gz [12:02] :p [12:02] it doesn't actually find oxygen [12:03] hmm, that looks wrong [12:08] apachelogger: what's the policy to update changelogs in debian ? [12:09] there is none [12:09] so .. uh .. [12:09] what policy are you looking for anyway? [12:09] you make a change, you put it into changelog [12:09] unless it's kubuntu_unstable then you don't put it in a changelog because it currently makes things explode xD [12:11] * apachelogger is slightly scared of deploying the automerge change [12:24] groovy, kio from git seems to compile and that makes kio-extras happy [12:26] sgclark: 4.14.1 in kubuntu-ppa/backports tried on an ec2 and all installs and runs [12:27] Pali: you may want to backport that to precise now ↑ [12:27] yay [12:27] o/ [12:27] yay [12:28] who was saying there were questions on google+ ? [12:30] soee: you were? where about were those g+ queries? [12:30] Riddell: what questions ? [12:31] 4.14..1 ? [12:31] soee: yeah [12:31] Riddell: https://plus.google.com/110534757969145694671/posts/MMTeiYCudY4 [12:33] g+ really confuses me, we have a Kubuntu page, and that is a related Kubuntu community? [12:37] Riddell: i think this is the officail community page [12:37] it is created by Kubuntu user [12:42] mm I see, not very obvious at all [12:45] * sgclark blogs.. [12:54] sgclark: you should probably also put 4.14.1 on kubuntu.org and slap it onto social media bits [12:57] ok [13:05] well it sthe only one im using actively on g+ [13:15] Riddell: g+, facebook done. I can't access twitter, you sent me the encrypted password, but failed to give me your key lol [13:16] sgclark: it uses your key! [13:16] you're not getting my private key, it's my precious [13:16] hmm, it says unable to decrypt [13:16] right, public key I think [13:28] aaah encryption :D [13:29] do you guys know a good gui to manage sql databases? [13:37] SourBlue: SQL Squirrel ( http://www.squirrelsql.org/ ) [13:38] That's what I'm using on Kubuntu. There's no package though. [13:47] Thank you [14:01] Riddell: all of these http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma have the wrong maintainer [14:01] should be : Maintainer: Debian/Kubuntu Qt/KDE Maintainers [14:01] * shadeslayer will fix [14:03] shadeslayer: yeah I noticed that earlier, thanks for fixing [14:03] shadeslayer: also wrong Vcs fields [14:05] mhm [14:43] Ah, there's my mail again. Thanks people. [14:43] Riddell: breeze-qt4 has neither kubuntu_unstable nor kubuntu_utopic_next branches [14:47] apachelogger: sorted [14:53] Riddell: seems we stuck at the frameworks version problem, did you decide what to do? [14:54] thowing up a git snapshot of kio now [14:54] sgclark: do you know what else kwin wants? [14:54] no clue, didn't look after you said it will have same problem [14:57] Riddell: kf5config, kf5configwidgets, kf5coreaddons, kf5crash, kf5globalaccel, kf5i18n, kf5init, kf5notifications, kf5service, and and good grief, pretty all of frameworks [14:58] kf5plasma, kf5widgetaddons, kf5windowsystem [15:03] wibble [15:05] Riddell: you will like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YBumQHPAeU [15:07] aah at last we can parody the posh boys in government, maybe that'll bring down the state [15:09] shadeslayer: your cmake expertese is needed in libksysguard which installs a dbus file for kauth into /usr/etc [15:10] moment [15:15] Riddell: I have to leave for one hour, please ping me if there are things that need doing when I get back. [15:16] sure === toscalix is now known as toscalix__ === toscalix__ is now known as toscalix === toscalix is now known as toscalix_away [15:24] looks like kwin just needs kwindowsystem updated so I'll throw up a git snapshot of that too [15:25] ehm, why don't we not ship kwin beta? [15:27] we need to package it now to get the kubuntu-plasma5 image in a workable state, otherwise there's bugs I won't be able to fix [15:35] Riddell: does plasmashell require the new kwin? [15:36] dunno, probably not [15:36] why would we need to spend time on making the beta kwin build then? [15:36] could just as well go with stable kwin and bump kwin once kf5 is out [15:37] who knows what bugs might not be uncovered by that, there's a reason we have betas, unlike frameworks we are not perfect in plasma land [15:38] Riddell: I'll argue that the plasma team should make sure things build with released stuff then [15:38] if I see the plasma release manager I'll be sure to tell him [15:38] this way every distro gets to spend their own silly effort on making it build [16:09] E: kinfocenter source: no-human-maintainers eh? [16:09] shadeslayer: lintian doesn't like that you've taken away the humans [16:09] "The Maintainer address for this package is a mailing list and there are no Uploaders listed. Team-maintained packages must list the human maintainers in the Uploaders field." [16:10] Riddell: ah yeah, I guess it's complaining about Maintainers [16:10] Riddell: mind fixing that? [16:10] meh whatever, I'll override it in kubuntu-automation [16:10] also, apachelogger is going to come at me with a club now [16:10] because I probably made all of his ci red [16:10] uh oh [16:12] * shadeslayer hides [16:22] yellow [16:23] oh [16:23] indeed red [16:23] cool beans [16:23] someone fix it [16:27] hi guys! [16:27] Is it possible to install the Plasma 5.1 beta already? [16:28] hi Antisound, nope we're still packaging it, helpers welcomed http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.0.95_utopic.html [16:29] Riddell: how can I help [16:29] ? [16:30] Antisound_: become an elite kubuntu ninja and fix the packages :) [16:30] Riddell: sounds like hard work ;-) [16:30] hard but rewarded with free hugs and irn bru [16:31] testers and bugfixers also needed [16:31] Riddell: how much time is estimated for the packaging? [16:31] Riddell: ok I am back, what else needs doing? [16:32] Antisound_: plasma 5.1 beta I hope to get done by tomorrow [16:32] Riddell: ok. Thx! [16:33] sgclark: just libnm-qt needs a copyright file fix [16:33] Riddell: i would love to help but i think i'm not such a "geek" ;-) [16:33] then it's waiting on kwin to compile to unblock the rest [16:34] ok [16:34] Riddell: how are we fixing the space error? [16:35] sgclark: I'm using GPL-KDEeV or LGPL-KDEeV [16:35] ok sounds good [16:35] which seems to appease the lintian gods [16:45] ** community council meeting in 1 hour 15min [16:50] that isn't me right? [16:52] Riddell: something is not right about libmm-qt. I noticed the fix was already in git, but not in ppa, I tried to build and put ppa2 up but it complains that orig.tar does not match [16:57] most interesting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kwalletmanager/+bug/1309955 [16:58] Launchpad bug 1309955 in kwalletmanager (Ubuntu) "kwalletd appears in the system monitor as "zombie"" [Undecided,Confirmed] [17:05] isn't the CC meeting now? [17:08] according to http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/fridge/ it is, but nobody is there [17:14] do you guys want me around? [17:14] because I wanted to leave in 20 minutes [17:18] finally starting [17:19] would be good to have you for a few mins at least, shadeslayer [17:19] where is it? [17:20] #ubuntu-meeting - everyone is welcome to attend [17:20] valorie: ping me when our turn comes? :p [17:22] sure [17:31] ** community council meeting now apparantly [17:36] I'm off to home [17:36] cya tomorriow [17:36] hiho [17:37] i see 7 packages fail to build on amd4 [17:41] guys I just want to remind you that this important bug is still not fixed [17:41] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-runtime/+bug/1322968 [17:41] Launchpad bug 1322968 in kde-runtime (Ubuntu) "Changing country leads to invalid locale" [Undecided,Confirmed] [17:42] for example I was having some hieroglifs instead of serbian letters šđčćž . had to manually fix it [17:42] I think it is important because 14.04 is LTS :) [17:43] and who to ping about this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1369673 [17:43] Launchpad bug 1369673 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice kde file dialog integration broken (not working) in 14.04" [Undecided,Confirmed] [17:46] shadeslayer: :( [18:22] ... [18:23] * Riddell hand waves and ignores someone trying to restrict our community [18:23] can I get on the CC now? [18:23] http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-10-02-17.13.moin.txt [18:24] good idea, Riddell [18:24] moar committees! [18:24] hehe [18:24] hmm, got to wait until 2015-11-14 before I can stand on it [18:24] they might actually DO something though [18:24] I do find it odd that we are few that have the concerns [18:24] which would be good [18:25] It was pretty interesting to be a fly on the wall in #ubuntu-meeting just earlier. [18:25] let's have a mass Kubuntu takeover of the communitiy council next November! [18:25] lol [18:25] the others are small, and don't feel that they have any power [18:25] genii: your takeaway? [18:28] valorie: I'm still thinking about it. But basically I think if Canonical wants to flex their muscles and go after other groups using their code, they are going to have an uphill battle. Especially with public opinion. [18:28] sure, but in the meantime, they are muddying the waters [18:28] and that hurts us [18:29] people stay away from areas with known bullies [18:29] it didn't use to be like this [18:29] they made their reputation as a champion of FLOSS [18:30] reputation doesn't make money alas [18:30] now they are slowly destroying that [18:30] not directly [18:31] afk for awhile [18:31] From what I've seen since I've been with *buntu, the troubles were starting pretty much around the time they wanted to go with Upstart, and it set a precedent there. [18:31] Basically just degraded from there on [18:31] upstart was a pioneering project, that's all good [18:31] but the need for giving licence control to canonical killed it as a community project [18:32] and lots of others like lightdm [18:32] which is a bit hypocritical since qt also needs licence control [18:32] but then qt doesn't need a dev community, the community needs qt (as a generalisaton) [18:33] but the move away from gnome and to unity and also Mir is killer for a community project not to use community made software, and I'm surprised that wasn't brought up when they were talking about lack of new membership earlier [18:35] anyway thanks for waking up so "early" valorie :) [18:36] Yes, Mir vs Wayland put a lot of bitterness in the Canonical-Kubuntu relationship, that I could see. [18:38] * genii makes more coffee and goes back to work [18:48] Riddell: I'm just reading the the meeting backlog. I didn't know of the Ubuntu LiMux article before it got published, but AFAIK the LiMux Mgmt was asked if it was Ok and I guess they simply didn't realize. [18:50] I'll just ask them, if they want to write a mail and point them to the bug. [18:51] woho 3 packages left for amd64 :) [18:54] thanks jmux [18:57] Hi all not sure if this is the correct place to report this: I found that with kde 4.14.1 on precise kde no longer suspends on laptop lip close nor is there a button on the K menu / leave, pm-suspend still works [18:57] err not precise trusty [18:58] after todays updates ? [18:58] yes [18:59] Riddell: ^ [19:00] rberg: hmm, fooey [19:00] that'll be faffy to debug [19:00] solid not detecting the right thing again [19:01] rberg: can you report a bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+filebug [19:01] and ping us here with it [19:01] sure, might me a few min [19:08] Riddell: I keep getting rejected on libmm-qt. Someone had already fixed the issue in git but never put in pa. [19:08] ppa [19:10] * sgclark spots jriddell next to libmm-qt notes [19:10] yeah I put something up didn't I? [19:10] it never made it to the ppa [19:10] still at ppa1 [19:11] but the changes are in git [19:11] mmm [19:11] Riddell: how was the meeting [19:12] * shadeslayer is full of food [19:12] is there a space free version of gpl-2 + trolltech gpl exception version 1.0 [19:19] sgclark: is there any chance to get 5.1b ready today ? [19:19] trying [19:22] Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1376895 let me know if there is any other info you folks could use. thanks. [19:22] Launchpad bug 1376895 in Kubuntu PPA "kde 4.14.1 on Trusty does not suspend to ram on laptop lid close nor a button on K menu / Leave" [Undecided,New] [19:23] sgclark: just make one up I guess, GPL-2 or GPL-Qt or something [19:23] ok [19:24] shadeslayer: oh the usual, hand waving and talk of complexity rather than any desire to stand up for free software [19:24] shadeslayer: any thoughts on rberg's bug? suspend broken in 4.14.1 on trusty, have I forgotten to add in some patch? [19:31] Riddell: not really sure [19:31] check output of qdbus --system org.freedesktop.login1 /something/something/canHibernate [19:32] rberg: ↑ [19:33] false [19:33] qdbus org.kde.kded /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement CanHibernate false [19:37] not really, but ok [19:38] what about cansuspend? [19:38] but yeah, that explains why you can't suspend, KDE thinks it can't suspend [19:39] rberg: check qdbus --system org.freedesktop.login1 [19:39] it should have a can suspend method oto [19:40] updated the ticket with that output [19:41] plasma5 has: >qdbus --system org.freedesktop.login1 /org/freedesktop/login1 org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanSuspend [19:41] yes [19:45] ^^ [19:47] I dont see any sort of answer along with org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanSuspend() [19:53] sorry to bother, I rebooted my laptop and now I get a suspend button. Before I had just logged out and restarted lightdm after the upgrade [19:57] rberg: ooh interesting [19:57] and mysterious, I've no idea why it would be different [19:57] yeah, I wonder if something was left running or something [19:58] something in /tmp.. now I am just guessing [20:19] ooh plasma 5 is all compiled [20:19]