[02:01] <MichaelP> 14.10 had some problems on update... qml-module-org-kde-extensionplugin not being installed... Had to install by it self
[02:01] <waddlesplash> yes
[02:01] <waddlesplash> well, apt-get install -f worked
[02:01] <MichaelP> funny how one package can cause so many problems...
[02:02] <valorie> the longer the name (and sometimes shorter the name...) the more trouble it can cause
[02:02] <MichaelP> now it done setting up... reboot see if eveything works
[02:02] <valorie> but anything with 'org-kde' in the name is gonna be sort of important
[02:03] <MichaelP> yeah
[02:03]  * valorie boots into neon5 for some testing
[02:09] <MichaelP> that qml-module-org-kde-extensionplugin ... was problem dophin not seeimg my usb drive... now it there.... now plug tv back in.. see if it gets full screen... it was only giving panel on 1/2 the screen size
[06:18] <soee> good morning
[06:23] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: did you come up with a good short name for gpl+ev licence?
[09:16] <sgclark> morning
[09:17] <Riddell> it's sgclark!
[09:17] <sgclark> :)
[09:17] <Riddell> it must be pre-morning for you
[09:18] <sgclark> so is there a git version of bzr-buildpackage-ppa? or how does this work now?
[09:18] <sgclark> hehe yeah
[09:19] <sgclark> 2:18 am but I went to bed early, so it's good.
[09:20] <Riddell> sgclark: I just made one yesterday in kubuntu-automation scripts
[09:20] <Riddell> git-buildpackage-ppa
[09:20] <Riddell> sgclark: what are you looking to package?
[09:20] <sgclark> cool thanks
[09:20] <sgclark> I was going to help with plasma if it is still needed
[09:20] <Riddell> yep, let me write up on the notes page where I'm at
[09:21] <Riddell> sgclark: how's 14.04.1 in trusty?
[09:21] <sgclark> was done, let me double check
[09:23] <sgclark> yep, Riddell: green minus one active depend, but we dropped active
[09:23] <Riddell> https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas-frameworks Plasma 5.0.95 updated
[09:24] <Riddell> sgclark: great, I'll copy over to ~kubuntu-ppa/backports
[09:24] <sgclark> ty, will start on plasma
[09:29] <Riddell> what we don't have is an equivalent of knextbzr
[09:29] <Riddell> knextgit should clone then checkout the right branch
[09:29] <Riddell> oh and be written in python, just to watch harald squirm :)
[09:29] <sgclark> lol
[09:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: I had multiple suggestions in debian-qt-kde :P
[09:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: hottest contenders IMHO are 'GPL-KDEeV' or 'GPL-2 or GPL-3 or GPL-KDEeV'
[09:58] <apachelogger> personally I would go with former because IIRC from a spec POV both versions are $random as as such are not considered a standard license
[10:01] <Riddell> groovy, GPL-KDEeV it is
[10:04] <sgclark> interesting, Riddell: kio-extras depends on a function added to kio in 5.3.0, which afaik has not been released has it?
[10:04] <Riddell> sgclark: aah fooey :(
[10:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you adjusting master to fix the lintians?
[10:07] <Riddell> sgclark: kwin will be the same, we may need to skip over those ones for now
[10:07] <sgclark> ok
[10:07] <Riddell> sgclark: sorry that's my upstream-hat-on fault
[10:07] <sgclark> np
[10:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm adjusting kubuntu_utopic_next
[10:08] <Riddell> of plasma packages
[10:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok
[10:10] <apachelogger> going to get merges going against that then
[10:10]  * apachelogger actually wonders how to best automate merges from multiple different branches
[10:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: which repo already has a next branch?
[10:54] <apachelogger> or perhaps the question is... why do I look at repos and they have none? ^^
[10:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: all the plasma ones do
[10:55]  * sgclark is very confused
[10:55] <apachelogger> hm
[10:55] <sgclark> master does not match this kubuntu_utopic_next, is that right?
[10:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: computer says no
[10:55] <Riddell> sgclark: right, I'm working with kubuntu_utopic_next
[10:55] <sgclark> which alos does not match what is in ppa
[10:56] <Riddell> kubuntu_utopic_next should match ppa
[10:56] <sgclark> ok
[10:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: something is weird in jenkins
[10:56] <apachelogger> nevermind me
[11:16] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:17] <sgclark> hiyas
[11:17] <soee> hiho
[11:17] <soee> sgclark: working on P5.1b ?
[11:18] <BluesKaj> what's new today, sgclark?
[11:18] <sgclark> well, trying
[11:18] <sgclark> Riddell: I need a git for dummies. I can't seem to push to a branch. I only have experience with working with master. and nothing is working
[11:19] <soee> iv seen several pacvkages faild to build in staging
[11:19] <soee> git push -u origin development :D
[11:20] <soee> this is how i push my PHP code to devel branch -.-
[11:20] <sgclark> Riddell: also that git-buildpackage-ppa is erroring with missing files and debsign wants your key. Not sure what is wrong there, this is a new desktop, perhaps I missed a config setting somewhere
[11:21] <sgclark> soee: not sure how far I will get, some packages depend on frameworks 5.3.0 which doesn't exist yet.
[11:23] <soee> sgclark: 5.3.0 was not released ort just dont get into Kubuntu ?
[11:23] <Riddell> sgclark: got this in ~/.gitconfig ? http://paste.kde.org/pemfrk8wi
[11:23] <Riddell> and can you ssh in ?
[11:23] <Riddell> (with the right username)
[11:23] <sgclark> soee: tried your command, still get everything up to date, yet git diff says otherwise
[11:24] <Riddell> don't run soee's command that uses a different branch name
[11:24] <Riddell> sgclark: can you ssh jriddell-guest@git.debian.org ?
[11:24] <Riddell> and run  group  it should tell you   jriddell-guest pkg-kde scm_pkg-kd
[11:24] <sgclark> I used kubunut_utopic_next
[11:24] <soee> sgclark: mine was example how i work with git but my personal codes, this has nothign to do with yours
[11:25] <BluesKaj> will KF5 and plasma5  remain optional in the 14.10 official release?
[11:25] <sgclark> Riddell: yes I can ssh in
[11:25] <Riddell> BluesKaj: yes
[11:26] <BluesKaj> Riddell, ok, thanks
[11:26] <sgclark> group: command not found
[11:27] <Riddell> sgclark: groups
[11:27] <sgclark> sgclark-guest pkg-kde scm_pkg-kde scm_sepwatch
[11:27] <Riddell> scm_sepwatch ? elite!
[11:27] <Riddell> anyway that looks fine
[11:28] <Riddell> sgclark: got ~/.gitconfig set up ?
[11:28] <sgclark> yeah that is set
[11:29] <Riddell> sgclark: groovy, so you have a branch?
[11:29] <Riddell> well a git repo clone ?
[11:30] <sgclark> git clone debian:plasma/libksysguard
[11:30] <sgclark> git checkout kubuntu_utopic_next
[11:31] <Riddell> looking good
[11:31] <Riddell> you've made a commit ?
[11:31] <sgclark> git diff shows my changes, but all push attempts says up to date.. so what is the push command?
[11:31] <sgclark> commit... lol duh, thanks
[11:32] <Riddell> commit is a two stage process in git too
[11:32] <Riddell> git add mychangedfile
[11:32] <Riddell> git commit -m "change mychangedfile"
[11:33] <Riddell> or you can go  git commit -a  to commit all modified files
[11:33] <Riddell> git log  to check it's been commmitted
[11:33] <Riddell> then   git push  should do the right thing to send it to git.debian.org 
[11:35] <apachelogger> ehm
[11:35] <apachelogger> 99% of the time you want debcommit or debcommit -a
[11:35] <apachelogger> that is to say, if you do not use debcommit you'll get in a world of trouble with both debian and me
[11:36] <apachelogger> rule of thumb: did the changelog change? -> use debcommit
[11:36] <sgclark> ugh
[11:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's the difference?
[11:36] <sgclark> well too late for this one. noted for next time
[11:36] <apachelogger> debcommit will use what you wrote in debian/changelog
[11:37] <sgclark> ok
[11:37] <sgclark> I copy and pasted lol, debcommit sounds easier
[11:37] <apachelogger> *nod*
[11:37] <sgclark> now onto a debsign problem...
[11:38] <apachelogger> also when tagging I suppose everyone has to use debcommit to get the tags right
[11:38] <apachelogger> I did definitely see weird perl rejections hooks on the server side
[11:38] <apachelogger> oh yeah
[11:38] <Riddell> >cat ~/.devscripts 
[11:38] <Riddell> DEBSIGN_KEYID=jriddell@ubuntu.com
[11:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there's a gigantic perl git hook on the server that does all sorts of weird shit :P
[11:38] <Riddell> sgclark: set that for your e-mail, otherwise it'll use whatever is in the latest debian/changelog
[11:38] <apachelogger> I didn't understand half the code
[11:38] <apachelogger> so I :q!
[11:39] <sgclark> did not exist. fixed, thanks
[11:39] <Riddell> sgclark: and I also get lots of "dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file" on running git-buildpackage, but I ignore them and it seems to be ok
[11:39] <apachelogger> sgclark: you could also define -kID or -kYourName or -kPartOfYourNameAssumingNoneElseInTheKeyringHasThatName
[11:40] <apachelogger> dpkg-buildpackage -s -kSitter is what I do, mind you I do have multiple keys for different purposes, so I kinda have to be explicit ^^
[11:40] <Riddell> sgclark: git-buildpackage seems to prefer you to have one of those weird branches with the upstream source in the branch too so I'm guessing this is just a bug from that preference
[11:40] <sgclark> ok
[11:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: you can make it not do that
[11:40] <apachelogger> unfortunately I lost my zsh_history for some reason
[11:40] <apachelogger> so I cannot tell you what pile of arguments you need to make it behave as bzr buildpackage
[11:41] <apachelogger> somthing to figure out on a rainy afternoon I suppose
[11:41] <Riddell> "git-buildpackage", "--git-ignore-branch", "--git-no-create-orig", "--git-ignore-new", "-S"   is what git-buildpackage-ppa uses
[11:41] <apachelogger> nah, that sounds more liberal than what I had
[11:42] <Riddell> you republican you, go back to the NRA
[11:42] <apachelogger> pft
[11:42] <apachelogger> it's important
[11:42] <apachelogger> if the stuff is too liberal it will take dirty bits from the repo, and we most certainly don't want uncommited nonesense in an upload
[11:42] <apachelogger> so caution is very much of use here
[11:43] <apachelogger> going to attempt a CI automerge rollout
[11:43] <sgclark> ok, almost 3 hours later.. one package done heh
[11:44] <Riddell> yay!
[11:44] <sgclark> lol
[11:44] <apachelogger> what does need doing anyway?
[11:44] <Riddell> plasma 5.0.95
[11:44] <apachelogger> AFAIK only breeze and kwin and maybe ksysguard should make problems
[11:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, but it's been mostly CId
[11:44] <sgclark> hmm, I think we are stuck on the 5.3.0 frameworks issue?
[11:44] <apachelogger> there shouldn't be any big issues
[11:44] <Riddell> two new packages
[11:45] <apachelogger> oh yeah, the frameworks bit in kwin probably is a biggy
[11:45] <Riddell> some new translations
[11:45] <Riddell> and kwin depending on frameworks 5.3
[11:45] <sgclark> kio-extras as well
[11:46] <Riddell> I don't suppose we can only update to the git versions of the required frameworks?
[11:46] <Riddell> the problem with this issue is it may end up with plasma schedule moving forward two weeks which means it can't be included in kubuntu
[11:53] <Riddell> hi shevron 
[11:54] <shevron> hi Riddel
[11:56] <shadeslayer> why does frameworkintegration dep on oxygen?
[11:56] <shadeslayer> a build dep that is
[11:56] <shadeslayer> makes ENOSENSE
[11:57] <shadeslayer> wat
[11:57] <shadeslayer> blame shows me
[11:57] <shadeslayer> ok, no, I just moved things around
[11:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^ changelog mentions you 
[11:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: a90ac25f803889b75b7f7029baf9b3b611a77300
[12:00] <shadeslayer> and the actual runtime dep is missing ofcourse
[12:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not sure, check it builds without and remove if you want
[12:02] <shadeslayer> well
[12:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/186046131/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-amd64.frameworkintegration_5.2.0-0ubuntu1_UPLOADING.txt.gz
[12:02] <shadeslayer> :p
[12:02] <shadeslayer> it doesn't actually find oxygen
[12:03] <Riddell> hmm, that looks wrong
[12:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what's the policy to update changelogs in debian ?
[12:09] <apachelogger> there is none
[12:09] <shadeslayer> so .. uh ..
[12:09] <apachelogger> what policy are you looking for anyway?
[12:09] <apachelogger> you make a change, you put it into changelog
[12:09] <apachelogger> unless it's kubuntu_unstable then you don't put it in a changelog because it currently makes things explode xD
[12:11]  * apachelogger is slightly scared of deploying the automerge change
[12:24] <Riddell> groovy, kio from git seems to compile and that makes kio-extras happy
[12:26] <Riddell> sgclark: 4.14.1 in kubuntu-ppa/backports tried on an ec2 and all installs and runs
[12:27] <Riddell> Pali: you may want to backport that to precise now ↑
[12:27] <sgclark> yay
[12:27] <tazz> o/
[12:27] <alvin> yay
[12:28] <Riddell> who was saying there were questions on google+ ?
[12:30] <Riddell> soee: you were? where about were those g+ queries?
[12:30] <soee> Riddell: what questions ?
[12:31] <soee> 4.14..1 ?
[12:31] <Riddell> soee: yeah
[12:31] <soee> Riddell: https://plus.google.com/110534757969145694671/posts/MMTeiYCudY4
[12:33] <Riddell> g+ really confuses me, we have a Kubuntu page, and that is a related Kubuntu community?
[12:37] <soee> Riddell: i think this is the officail community page
[12:37] <soee> it is created by Kubuntu user
[12:42] <Riddell> mm I see, not very obvious at all
[12:45]  * sgclark blogs..
[12:54] <Riddell> sgclark: you should probably also put 4.14.1 on kubuntu.org and slap it onto social media bits
[12:57] <sgclark> ok
[13:05] <soee> well it sthe only one im using actively on g+
[13:15] <sgclark> Riddell: g+, facebook done. I can't access twitter, you sent me the encrypted password, but failed to give me your key lol
[13:16] <Riddell> sgclark: it uses your key!
[13:16] <Riddell> you're not getting my private key, it's my precious
[13:16] <sgclark> hmm, it says unable to decrypt
[13:16] <sgclark> right, public key I think
[13:28] <SourBlue> aaah encryption :D
[13:29] <SourBlue> do you guys know a good gui to manage sql databases?
[13:37] <alvin> SourBlue: SQL Squirrel ( http://www.squirrelsql.org/ )
[13:38] <alvin> That's what I'm using on Kubuntu. There's no package though.
[13:47] <SourBlue> Thank you
[14:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: all of these http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma have the wrong maintainer
[14:01] <shadeslayer> should be : Maintainer: Debian/Kubuntu Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org>
[14:01]  * shadeslayer will fix
[14:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah I noticed that earlier, thanks for fixing
[14:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: also wrong Vcs fields
[14:05] <shadeslayer> mhm
[14:43] <alvin> Ah, there's my mail again. Thanks people.
[14:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: breeze-qt4 has neither kubuntu_unstable nor kubuntu_utopic_next branches
[14:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: sorted
[14:53] <sgclark> Riddell: seems we stuck at the frameworks version problem, did you decide what to do?
[14:54] <Riddell> thowing up a git snapshot of kio now
[14:54] <Riddell> sgclark: do you know what else kwin wants?
[14:54] <sgclark> no clue, didn't look after you said it will have same problem
[14:57] <sgclark> Riddell: kf5config, kf5configwidgets, kf5coreaddons, kf5crash, kf5globalaccel, kf5i18n, kf5init, kf5notifications, kf5service, and and good grief, pretty all of frameworks
[14:58] <sgclark> kf5plasma, kf5widgetaddons, kf5windowsystem
[15:03] <Riddell> wibble
[15:05] <Mamarok> Riddell: you will like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YBumQHPAeU
[15:07] <Riddell> aah at last we can parody the posh boys in government, maybe that'll bring down the state
[15:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: your cmake expertese is needed in libksysguard which installs a dbus file for kauth into /usr/etc
[15:10] <shadeslayer> moment
[15:15] <sgclark> Riddell: I have to leave for one hour, please ping me if there are things that need doing when I get back.
[15:16] <Riddell> sure
[15:24] <Riddell> looks like kwin just needs kwindowsystem updated so I'll throw up a git snapshot of that too
[15:25] <apachelogger> ehm, why don't we not ship kwin beta?
[15:27] <Riddell> we need to package it now to get the kubuntu-plasma5 image in a workable state, otherwise there's bugs I won't be able to fix
[15:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: does plasmashell require the new kwin?
[15:36] <Riddell> dunno, probably not
[15:36] <apachelogger> why would we need to spend time on making the beta kwin build then?
[15:36] <apachelogger> could just as well go with stable kwin and bump kwin once kf5 is out
[15:37] <Riddell> who knows what bugs might not be uncovered by that, there's a reason we have betas, unlike frameworks we are not perfect in plasma land
[15:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll argue that the plasma team should make sure things build with released stuff then
[15:38] <Riddell> if I see the plasma release manager I'll be sure to tell him
[15:38] <apachelogger> this way every distro gets to spend their own silly effort on making it build
[16:09] <Riddell> E: kinfocenter source: no-human-maintainers  eh?
[16:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: lintian doesn't like that you've taken away the humans
[16:09] <Riddell> "The Maintainer address for this package is a mailing list and there are no Uploaders listed. Team-maintained packages must list the human maintainers in the Uploaders field."
[16:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah yeah, I guess it's complaining about Maintainers
[16:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: mind fixing that?
[16:10] <Riddell> meh whatever, I'll override it in kubuntu-automation
[16:10] <shadeslayer> also, apachelogger is going to come at me with a club now
[16:10] <shadeslayer> because I probably made all of his ci red
[16:10] <Riddell> uh oh
[16:12]  * shadeslayer hides
[16:22] <apachelogger> yellow
[16:23] <apachelogger> oh
[16:23] <apachelogger> indeed red
[16:23] <apachelogger> cool beans
[16:23] <apachelogger> someone fix it
[16:27] <Antisound_> hi guys!
[16:27] <Antisound_> Is it possible to install the Plasma 5.1 beta already?
[16:28] <Riddell> hi Antisound, nope we're still packaging it, helpers welcomed http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.0.95_utopic.html
[16:29] <Antisound_> Riddell: how can I help
[16:29] <Antisound_> ?
[16:30] <Riddell> Antisound_: become an elite kubuntu ninja and fix the packages :)
[16:30] <Antisound_> Riddell: sounds like hard work ;-)
[16:30] <Riddell> hard but rewarded with free hugs and irn bru
[16:31] <Riddell> testers and bugfixers also needed
[16:31] <Antisound_> Riddell: how much time is estimated for the packaging?
[16:31] <sgclark> Riddell: ok I am back, what else needs doing?
[16:32] <Riddell> Antisound_: plasma 5.1 beta I hope to get done by tomorrow
[16:32] <Antisound_> Riddell: ok. Thx!
[16:33] <Riddell> sgclark: just libnm-qt needs a copyright file fix
[16:33] <Antisound_> Riddell: i would love to help but i think i'm not such a "geek"  ;-)
[16:33] <Riddell> then it's waiting on kwin to compile to unblock the rest
[16:34] <sgclark> ok
[16:34] <sgclark> Riddell: how are we fixing the space error?
[16:35] <Riddell> sgclark: I'm using GPL-KDEeV or LGPL-KDEeV
[16:35] <sgclark> ok sounds good
[16:35] <Riddell> which seems to appease the lintian gods
[16:45] <Riddell> ** community council meeting in 1 hour 15min
[16:50] <sgclark> that isn't me right?
[16:52] <sgclark> Riddell: something is not right about libmm-qt. I noticed the fix was already in git, but not in ppa, I tried to build and put ppa2 up but it complains that orig.tar does not match
[16:57] <shadeslayer> most interesting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kwalletmanager/+bug/1309955
[17:05] <valorie> isn't the CC meeting now?
[17:08] <valorie> according to http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/fridge/ it is, but nobody is there
[17:14] <shadeslayer> do you guys want me around?
[17:14] <shadeslayer> because I wanted to leave in 20 minutes
[17:18] <valorie> finally starting
[17:19] <valorie> would be good to have you for a few mins at least, shadeslayer
[17:19] <shadeslayer> where is it?
[17:20] <valorie> #ubuntu-meeting - everyone is welcome to attend
[17:20] <shadeslayer> valorie: ping me when our turn comes? :p
[17:22] <valorie> sure
[17:31] <Riddell> ** community council meeting now apparantly
[17:36] <shadeslayer> I'm off to home
[17:36] <shadeslayer> cya tomorriow
[17:36] <soee> hiho
[17:37] <soee> i see 7 packages fail to build on amd4
[17:41] <snele> guys I just want to remind you that this important bug is still not fixed 
[17:41] <snele> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-runtime/+bug/1322968
[17:42] <snele> for example I was having some hieroglifs instead of serbian letters šđčćž . had to manually fix it
[17:42] <snele> I think it is important because 14.04 is LTS :)
[17:43] <snele> and who to ping about this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1369673
[17:46] <valorie> shadeslayer: :(
[18:22] <valorie> ...
[18:23]  * Riddell hand waves and ignores someone trying to restrict our community
[18:23] <Riddell> can I get on the CC now?
[18:23] <valorie>  http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-10-02-17.13.moin.txt
[18:24] <valorie> good idea, Riddell
[18:24] <valorie> moar committees!
[18:24] <sgclark> hehe
[18:24] <Riddell> hmm, got to wait until 2015-11-14 before I can stand on it
[18:24] <valorie> they might actually DO something though
[18:24] <sgclark> I do find it odd that we are few that have the concerns
[18:24] <valorie> which would be good
[18:25] <genii> It was pretty interesting to be a fly on the wall in #ubuntu-meeting just earlier.
[18:25] <Riddell> let's have a mass Kubuntu takeover of the communitiy council next November!
[18:25] <sgclark> lol
[18:25] <valorie> the others are small, and don't feel that they have any power
[18:25] <valorie> genii: your takeaway?
[18:28] <genii> valorie: I'm still thinking about it. But basically I think if Canonical wants to flex their muscles and go after other groups using their code, they are going to have an uphill battle. Especially with public opinion.
[18:28] <valorie> sure, but in the meantime, they are muddying the waters
[18:28] <valorie> and that hurts us
[18:29] <valorie> people stay away from areas with known bullies
[18:29] <valorie> it didn't use to be like this
[18:29] <valorie> they made their reputation as a champion of FLOSS
[18:30] <Riddell> reputation doesn't make money alas
[18:30] <valorie> now they are slowly destroying that 
[18:30] <valorie> not directly
[18:31] <valorie> afk for awhile
[18:31] <genii> From what I've seen since I've been with *buntu, the troubles were starting pretty much around the time they wanted to go with Upstart, and it set a precedent there. 
[18:31] <genii> Basically just degraded from there on
[18:31] <Riddell> upstart was a pioneering project, that's all good
[18:31] <Riddell> but the need for giving licence control to canonical killed it as a community project
[18:32] <Riddell> and lots of others like lightdm
[18:32] <Riddell> which is a bit hypocritical since qt also needs licence control
[18:32] <Riddell> but then qt doesn't need a dev community, the community needs qt (as a generalisaton)
[18:33] <Riddell> but the move away from gnome and to unity and also Mir is killer for a community project not to use community made software, and I'm surprised that wasn't brought up when they were talking about lack of new membership earlier
[18:35] <Riddell> anyway thanks for waking up so "early" valorie :)
[18:36] <genii> Yes, Mir vs Wayland put a lot of bitterness in the Canonical-Kubuntu relationship, that I could see.
[18:38]  * genii makes more coffee and goes back to work
[18:48] <jmux> Riddell: I'm just reading the the meeting backlog. I didn't know of the Ubuntu LiMux article before it got published, but AFAIK the LiMux Mgmt was asked if it was Ok and I guess they simply didn't realize.
[18:50] <jmux> I'll just ask them, if they want to write a mail and point them to the bug.
[18:51] <soee> woho 3 packages left for amd64 :)
[18:54] <Riddell> thanks jmux 
[18:57] <rberg> Hi all not sure if this is the correct place to report this: I found that with kde 4.14.1 on precise kde no longer suspends on laptop lip close nor is there a button on the K menu / leave, pm-suspend still works
[18:57] <rberg> err not precise trusty
[18:58] <soee> after todays updates ?
[18:58] <rberg> yes
[18:59] <soee> Riddell: ^
[19:00] <Riddell> rberg: hmm, fooey
[19:00] <Riddell> that'll be faffy to debug
[19:00] <Riddell> solid not detecting the right thing again
[19:01] <Riddell> rberg: can you report a bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+filebug
[19:01] <Riddell> and ping us here with it
[19:01] <rberg> sure, might me a few min
[19:08] <sgclark> Riddell: I keep getting rejected on libmm-qt. Someone had already fixed the issue in git but never put in pa. 
[19:08] <sgclark> ppa
[19:10]  * sgclark spots jriddell next to libmm-qt notes
[19:10] <Riddell> yeah I put something up didn't I?
[19:10] <sgclark> it never made it to the ppa
[19:10] <sgclark> still at ppa1
[19:11] <sgclark> but the changes are in git
[19:11] <shadeslayer> mmm
[19:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how was the meeting
[19:12]  * shadeslayer is full of food
[19:12] <sgclark> is there a space free version of gpl-2 + trolltech gpl exception version 1.0
[19:19] <soee> sgclark: is there any chance to get 5.1b ready today ?
[19:19] <sgclark> trying
[19:22] <rberg> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1376895  let me know if there is any other info you folks could use. thanks.
[19:23] <Riddell> sgclark: just make one up I guess, GPL-2 or GPL-Qt  or something
[19:23] <sgclark> ok
[19:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh the usual, hand waving and talk of complexity rather than any desire to stand up for free software
[19:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: any thoughts on rberg's bug? suspend broken in 4.14.1 on trusty, have I forgotten to add in some patch?
[19:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: not really sure
[19:31] <shadeslayer> check output of qdbus --system org.freedesktop.login1 /something/something/canHibernate
[19:32] <Riddell> rberg: ↑
[19:33] <rberg> false
[19:33] <rberg> qdbus org.kde.kded /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement CanHibernate false
[19:37] <shadeslayer> not really, but ok
[19:38] <shadeslayer> what about cansuspend?
[19:38] <shadeslayer> but yeah, that explains why you can't suspend, KDE thinks it can't suspend
[19:39] <shadeslayer> rberg: check qdbus --system org.freedesktop.login1
[19:39] <shadeslayer> it should have a can suspend method oto
[19:40] <rberg> updated the ticket with that output
[19:41] <Riddell> plasma5 has: >qdbus --system org.freedesktop.login1 /org/freedesktop/login1 org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanSuspend
[19:41] <Riddell> yes
[19:45] <shadeslayer> ^^
[19:47] <rberg> I dont see any sort of answer along with org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanSuspend()
[19:53] <rberg> sorry to bother, I rebooted my laptop and now I get a suspend button. Before I had just logged out and restarted lightdm after the upgrade
[19:57] <Riddell> rberg: ooh interesting
[19:57] <Riddell> and mysterious, I've no idea why it would be different
[19:57] <rberg> yeah, I wonder if something was left running or something
[19:58] <rberg> something in /tmp.. now I am just guessing
[20:19] <Riddell> ooh plasma 5 is all compiled
[20:19] <Riddell> brave people can test
[20:19] <sgclark> I just put up oxygen, had new files, wait a bit
[20:20] <sgclark> Riddell: libmm-qt is still broken
[20:21] <Riddell> hmm the .orig is indeed different
[20:22] <Riddell> aah watch is looking for libnm not libmm
[20:35] <Riddell> uploaded
[20:42] <sgclark> Riddell: are you sure? still shows failed ppa1
[20:43] <sgclark> Riddell: that is the last of them for serious errors, mind if I tidy up the last of the copyright bits tomorrow, I am quite tired now :(
[21:22] <Riddell> sgclark: me too, sleep well
[21:22] <sgclark> g'night!
[21:27] <Pali> Riddell: 4.14.1 for precise was compiled: https://launchpad.net/~pali/+archive/ubuntu/kubuntu-backports/
[21:28] <Pali> and one patch for backport-hooks: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/kubuntu-automation/revision/439
[21:55] <soee> hmm p5.1b packages ready ? :)
[21:56] <sgclark> soee: sure it is tester ready
[21:57] <soee> yup :)
[21:59] <soee> upgrading
[22:01] <soee> oks one error already
[22:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh yeah, btw, feel free to come up with an algorithm proposal for upgrade testing that covers as much as possible while wasting as little resources as possible ;)
[22:04] <soee> sgclark: problem with /var/cache/apt/archives/libkf5sysguard5-data_4%3a5.0.95-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa4_amd64.deb
[22:05] <sgclark> can you give me more details than that?
[22:06] <soee> im trying, i forget how to get command executed in english :/
[22:06] <soee> sgclark: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8481962/
[22:06] <sgclark> oh hmm. perhaps I will see when I upgrade. too tired to do it now
[22:07] <soee> ok ill tru with -f and force overwrite
[22:09] <apachelogger> transition fail most likley
[22:09] <apachelogger> i386 of ksysguard hasn't built yet, so -data is not available in the required version
[22:09] <soee> reboot
[22:09] <apachelogger> should autoresolve in an hour or so
[22:09] <soee> i did sudo apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install libkf5sysguard5-data
[22:10] <apachelogger> that doesn't solve the issue
[22:10] <apachelogger> unless you ran apt update as well ^^
[22:10] <apachelogger> (and that only helps in case the correct version built meanwhile)
[22:10] <apachelogger> at any rate that problem shouldn't have impact on anything but ksysguard anyway
[22:11] <soee> will try to reboot and see what happen
[22:11] <sgclark> apachelogger: what do you mean not built? all compiled except arm (of course)
[22:11] <apachelogger> sgclark: they weren't when soee ran apt update
[22:12] <sgclark> oh ok
[22:12] <apachelogger> even if, there's the publication step which might take longer for one arch than the other, depending on when teh build actually failed
[22:14] <soee> im back
[22:16] <soee> all seems to work fine, but if i open systray
[22:16] <soee> my kaptop starts to give strange sound 
[22:16] <apachelogger> lol
[22:16] <apachelogger> soee: define strange sounds
[22:17] <apachelogger> and does it go away if you close the notification popup again
[22:17] <soee> yet it goas away, it saunds like very old TV when warming up
[22:17] <soee> mabe something with battery
[22:17] <sgclark> d_ed: I am told to bug you with this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339620
[22:18] <apachelogger> soee: that sounds veery strange
[22:18] <apachelogger> soee: does the sound come out the speakers?
[22:18] <soee> yup amd the otification item loading animation is active all the time
[22:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: apparently oxygen has no beta version on bugzilla
[22:19] <soee> apachelogger: hard to say
[22:19] <apachelogger> put your ear tot he speaker :P
[22:19] <apachelogger> if you move ear away, does it get less loud? :P
[22:19] <apachelogger> audio debugging for starters xD
[22:21] <soee> i have muted all but this happens all the time
[22:21] <soee> i would shoot into battery supply
[22:22] <apachelogger> totally weird
[22:22] <soee> btw i feel like all works 5 time faster now
[22:23] <sgclark> nice
[22:30] <soee> after logout and login again, plasmashell did not start
[22:30] <soee> had to start it manually
[22:32] <soee> ok time to get some sleep, ill test more tomorrow