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knownothingcan someone direct me to instructions on connecting to a windows network, please02:18
deaddebEven though LXQt is nowhere near done, will it become optional before the default?04:38
ianorlindeaddeb: there is a ppa for it now but not really supported04:39
ianorlinI think there is some work to get in in repos04:40
deaddebianorlin: that ppa looks like it's purely experimental04:40
deaddebIt'd be interesting if the next Lubuntu(after 14.10) had the option to join a LXQt alpha/beta04:41
deaddebvia the installer04:41
deaddebthen send out notes of sites to get somepublicity, and have a forum for user talk on LXQt+Lubuntu04:42
deaddeb*notes to sites to get some publicity04:42
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pali1i try to run skype on a PC without SSE207:49
pali1i tried to run with qemu07:50
pali1sudo qemu-i386 -L / .Skype07:50
pali1but i got this error: Error while loading .Skype: Permission denied07:50
pali1i tried with sudo too... same error, please help07:50
onlahey. how do I change the window manager in lubuntu? In ubuntu I read it is storing info at /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/"YOURSESSION"09:03
onla but I don't have that in lubuntu09:03
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akishi all. i am considering to revive an old pc (celeron@400mhz with only 192 mb ram and a gforce with 60mb ram) installing lubuntu 10.04. Is that possible although this version is dicontinued. i am reading here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/PreviousReleases#A10.04 that : "10.04 is no longer supported and does not receive updates for desktop, the kernel is still supported until April 2015". what does this exactly mean?16:01
holsteinakis: lubuntu 14.04 is the first long term support lubuntu..16:01
holsteinakis: the 10.04 repos are hot and up for ubuntu 10.04 server.. and that is all16:02
akisi know this and i am running it already on a lenovo netbook. its great.16:02
holstein*if*, you were to have a question, issue, or problem with a package.. there is no support for it.. if there is a "vulnerability" in 10.04 that doesnt effect the server version, then it may not be addressed16:02
holsteinif you want to run 10.04, run it.. but, there is no support for it. so you support yourself16:03
holsteinpersonally, i would just run 14.0416:03
holsteini would start with...16:03
holstein!mini16:03
ubottuThe Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want.  The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD16:03
testdrakis: you need the alternate-installer-version - you have less than 512MB memory and in use (after install) you will notice heavy swapping when using firefox-browser16:03
holsteinbut, firefox and other applications will swap on that hardware in 10.04, or whatever else16:04
testdrakis: if not already done, check:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Alternate_ISO16:05
akisi read about mini but i dont think that this old machine can run the newest 14.04 although in mini version16:05
akis10.04 has chrome as default browser.16:05
holsteinakis: sure.. dont "think" about it at all.. just try the mini iso i linked..16:05
holsteinakis: *none* of the ubuntu's come with chrome as the browser.. chrome is not in the repos16:06
testdrdid any one tell about the cpu-limitiations? Could be a computer without "pae"16:06
holsteinakis: you can easily install chrome into any linux.. dont let the default browser dictate what you use16:06
akisrepos are still available on 10.04?16:07
holsteinif you have the pae issue preventing 14.04 from working.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE16:07
holsteinakis: for the server.. 10.04 is still supported for the server..16:07
holstein!10.0416:07
ubottuUbuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) was the twelfth release of Ubuntu.  Desktop support ended May 9 2013. Server support continues. See http://ubottu.com/y/lucid for more details.16:07
holsteinakis: but not much longer.. as i stated above, if you use 10.04, you will support it yourself..16:08
holsteini would use the mini 14.04 iso and add whatever the hardware will support16:08
holsteinthe "forcepae" option will help, if your hardware needs that..16:09
akisin your opinion mini 14.04 could be installed with only 192 mb ram and run with a celeron@400mhz. i doubt about it!16:09
holsteinakis: sure.. dont "doubt" or "think".. try it..16:10
holsteinakis: i use the mini iso, and i dont select anything to install during that installation.. i just get the minimal commandline systemm installed, and then add what i need.. lxde or lubuntu-desktop.. as i said, whatever the hardware will support16:11
holsteinthe mini iso has the options of the older alternate iso that testdr suggested.. much lower spec requirements..16:12
akisi am trying every day many distros but i didnt find something to satisfy me instead of legacy os 2.1 based on puppy linux. but i am running in all my other 3 machines xubuntu 14.04 (2 pcs) and lubuntu 14.04 (1 machine) and i think that are the greatest!16:12
akishmmm. i see !!! that is very interesting.16:13
holsteinyeah.. if you want 14.04, try using 14.04.. 10.04 is EOL for your purposes.. and chrome is not in the repos at all..16:14
holsteinchromium is.. but not chrome16:14
holstein!info chromium-browser16:14
ubottuchromium-browser (source: chromium-browser): Chromium browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 37.0.2062.120-0ubuntu0.14.04.1~pkg1049 (trusty), package size 45591 kB, installed size 166372 kB16:14
holsteinbut, chrome can be installed easily into any ubuntu or ubuntu flavor, or any linux16:15
holsteinthough, nothing will make your machine any "better" or faster.. you will not have a good experience online with that machine with video online16:15
akisi wrote chrome, i meant chromium. anyway. forget it. is there any guide to how can i proceed with minimal installation and then add lubuntu desktop?16:15
holsteinakis: the guide goes like this.. get the iso from the link above.. install, use the fakepae option i linked if you need.. install minimal, and *after* installation, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop ...*or* just install lxde, or whatever is lighter that you may prefer16:16
akisand after lubuntu gets life i can proceed with any extra package installation i want (ie abiworld, gnumeric etc) using the repos?16:18
holsteinakis: nothing about any of those pacakge, or lubuntu, or ubuntu or linux prevents that16:19
holsteinakis: *nothing* makes your machine any better or more appropriate for using those applications.. it either has the power, or not16:19
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akisso i can choose to install midori for a better performance instead of heavy firefox or chromium. should i install manually any other useful application (ie pcfmman, gnome player etc) or if lubuntu desktop will be installed includes these?16:22
holsteinakis: install what you like, friend.. nothing prevents that.. but, they dont make your machine any faster16:22
testdrakis: only the time to boot the installed linux on such a machine will last around 2-3 (or more) Minutes!16:23
akissure. i know this. i just want a very-very basic operation16:24
holsteinas i said, sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop installs lubuntu.. you end up with stock ubuntu from that..16:24
holsteinakis: if you need "very-very basic", then, just get *exactly* what you need.. lxde and whatever other applications16:24
akislxde is lighter than lubuntu?16:25
holsteinor, not even lxde.. even lighter than that. if you need16:25
testdrakis: because you already know lubuntu (from your other computers) you should try the 14.04-Version - it would have the same options like you already know. --- LXDE = Lubuntu16:25
holsteinakis: lubuntu uses lxde.. if you dont need want lubuntu, you dont have to get it16:25
akisi know that lubuntu=lxde but i am wondering if there is lightest version...16:26
holsteinakis: lubuntu is ubuntu with lxde and other tweaks.. with lust lxde you can build something arguably lighter, with less things.. more "very-very basic"16:26
holsteinakis: lxde is not advertised as "the lightest things ever"..16:26
akisopenwm maybe?16:26
holsteinakis: its light.. but, you have *very* old hardware.. in my opinion, no desktop environment is going to help you do what you want to do16:27
akisis it installable on ubuntu core?16:27
testdrakis: for a memory-compare of desktop/windowmanagers, you may check:  http://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/04/09/a-memory-comparison-of-light-linux-desktops-part-2/16:27
holsteinbut, a couple MB's is not going to allow that machine to play youtube, for example16:28
akison this configuration i realized that only xubuntu 6.06 was fine!16:28
akisi tested already! under legacy 2.1 and using opera 12 the browser can open the first page of youtube but it cannot proceed to play a video.16:29
holsteinakis: that machine is *not* capable of using youtube.. you would need to ask youtube to support your hardware, and they are not interested in doing that16:30
holsteini would consider repurposing that box as a headless server without x running..16:31
akisit is really impressive how can run under legacy 2.1 with plenty of kde application with less of 100 mb ram.16:31
holsteinyou can install opera into whatever you would like.. but, its likely an older version of opera..16:32
akisi am wondering if lubuntu can succeed a similar performance.16:32
akislegacy os 2.1 its a new release (apr 2014) and it can manage this old system smoothly. i wish i could come off the same result with lubuntu which is (with xubuntu) my favorite distro16:34
Ahmuckhi.  i'm having a problem with icons on the panel re-ordering themselves after an edit to the application bar.16:35
Ahmucker, problems on the application bar with icons re-ordering themselves.16:36
Ahmucki wasn't sure what was the cause and have been watching and trying to determine what it was16:36
Ahmucki observed it hapens after deleteing an icon via the application launch bar edit16:37
Ahmuckthe icons them are all out of set order and i have to go through and re-set many of them to the desired places16:37
holsteinakis: i would just use what is working.. the goal of ubuntu/lubuntu may not be matching your hardware..16:37
holsteinakis: i feel i could burn up an afternoon and make lubuntu/ubuntu 14.04 run tolerably on that hardware..16:37
akisholstein: thank you my friend your very useful advises and for your time time. i will try mini installation and i will report any problem or i will ask for any further assistance.16:38
holsteinakis: good luck16:39
akisthanks!16:39
holsteinAhmuck: i usually just consider another panel in those cases.. lxde is so light, and made to be that way.. i find tint2 to be light, and arguably easier to "lock down"16:40
holsteinAhmuck: did you try tint2?16:53
Ahmuckyes and no.  i recently tried crunchbang (after the mouse battery icon fiasco) and iirc it was using tint216:54
Ahmucki guess my problem with the idea ... is obviously there is a bug in the panel.  is there a reason for not investigating the problem and fixing it?16:55
Ahmuckit's kinda like asking me to change from windows to mac just because double clicking an icon no longer works16:55
holsteinAhmuck: my reason is just that i dont do code.. did you file a bug? if you would, that would help outline what you do and help someone else replicate the bug16:56
Ahmuckand i'm sorry, it's just i've had so many of these type of issues that i've become defensive on the issues16:56
holsteinAhmuck: im not asking you to switch, really. its just a matter of the right tool for the right job.. tint is more easily locked down16:56
Ahmuckdid you get my message the other day on a bug i had filed earlier and recieved feedback on?16:56
holsteinAhmuck: no16:56
Ahmucki filed a bug in 2010 and recieved a response in 201416:57
Ahmuckthey finally closed the bug16:57
holsteinAhmuck: sure. 2010 would be dead by now16:57
Ahmucki looked carefully at the bug report.  it wasn't completly complete but this is part of the reason i no longer file bugs ( wxl )16:57
holsteinAhmuck: i mean, its not a perfect system... but, it *is* the way to convey facts and get the issue looked at16:57
Ahmuckthe bug has since then been resolved (via software channel).16:58
holsteinwhat bug?16:58
holsteinthe one you posted in 2010?16:58
Ahmucki agree in both, not a perfect system, and a way to convey facts.  the facts no longer matter after four years16:58
Ahmucki've been thinking bout starting a blog and documenting the time it takes to get the simplest things done in lubuntu and making comparisons to other operating systems16:59
holsteinAhmuck: sure.. go for it. but, the issue is, you are not accounting for what users are accustomed to.. a lot of it is just simple familiarity16:59
Ahmuckrecently my hardware changed.  it's been a bit of a challenge because they changed the keyboard layout.  however, doing the simplest thing has been a real challenge.  (like turn of the mouse pad upon boot)17:00
Ahmuckwhich users?17:00
holsteinAhmuck: you may also feel more comfortable at one of the larger flavors.. the issue is, you cant compare window 7 or windows 8 full editions with lubuntu, which is not amied at the same target17:00
Ahmuckeven windows xp had basic hardware support17:01
holsteinAhmuck: "users" generally.. for example, if you take a user that is used to windows, things in windows will be "easier" for them, than in linux17:01
holsteinAhmuck: actually, windows xp had no hardware support at all. you add drivers to get hardware support17:01
Ahmucki've not used windows for about 20 years17:01
Ahmuckbut i'm aware of how it works17:01
Ahmuckactually, it might be closer to 14 years17:02
Ahmucki did a stint of support for a company in 9417:02
Ahmuckand again in 10-1217:02
holsteinlubuntu is LXDE + ubuntu.. the L is for light.. its meant to be light weight, and for older hardware.. its not intended to be a drop in desktop replacement for all purposes17:03
Ahmucklet's go back to the application bar.  tint2 locks it down, correct?  this is a simple file where it's specified how they are set.  deleting an icon would re-set the order in the file.  this is such a simple thing (it appears, though i'm not a programmer).17:04
Ahmuckso what would change it?  possible a cached or temp saved file while the user is changing icons that is getting re-loaded while the changes are being made?17:05
Ahmuck*shrugs*17:05
holsteinAhmuck: i find tint2 more easily locked down..17:05
Ahmuckyes, and i enjoy the light.  i install and lock down a lot of lubuntu desktops and laptops for people that want to move from windows17:05
Ahmucktint2 is not lxde, is not lubuntu17:06
Ahmuckit's off topic17:06
holsteinwell, tint2 , as i said, its a panel.. lxde has its own panel.. but, tint2 is in the repos17:06
holstein!info tint217:06
ubottutint2 (source: tint2): lightweight taskbar. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11+svn20121014-1 (trusty), package size 142 kB, installed size 375 kB17:06
holsteinit may fit your needs better.. especially for locking them down for other users17:06
phillwwxl: I've put your call for testers on the Fb areas and G+ area18:23
wxlthanks phillw :)18:23
phillwHey, I used to have this each cycle :)18:23
wxlyeah yeah18:23
phillwwxl: oh, and Sergio has prepped up the 14.10 pages e.g. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Release%2B118:31
pacmycHi there! Suddenly after kernel update I can no longer mount cifs-shares from fstab, I receive the error CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -519:44
Glorfindelhow do I install KDE?22:56
Glorfindelit doesn't show up in the software center22:56
Glorfindelplease memoserv the answer to me :) thanks23:05
holsteinGlorfindel: how about now?23:23
holsteinGlorfindel: you should be able to search for whatever KDE packages you would like, but, if you want to switch, you'll want "kubuntu-desktop"23:24
holstein!info kubuntu-desktop23:24
ubottukubuntu-desktop (source: kubuntu-meta): Kubuntu Plasma Desktop/Netbook system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.308.1.1 (trusty), package size 4 kB, installed size 56 kB23:24
holsteinyou can just install kde if you like, though..23:24
holstein!kubuntu23:24
ubottuKubuntu is the Ubuntu flavour using KDE Software and the KDE Plasma Workspaces.  See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support join  #kubuntu - See also !kde23:24
Glorfindelholstein: thank you :)23:53
GlorfindelI was searching for kde and couldn't find it :)23:54

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