[00:10] <elff> по русски кто нибудь понимает?
[00:10] <elff> помощь нужна
[00:11] <elff> спасибо
[00:14] <wxl> !ru | elff
[00:58] <BuntuTech> hi
[02:18] <knownothing> can someone direct me to instructions on connecting to a windows network, please
[04:38] <deaddeb> Even though LXQt is nowhere near done, will it become optional before the default?
[04:39] <ianorlin> deaddeb: there is a ppa for it now but not really supported
[04:40] <ianorlin> I think there is some work to get in in repos
[04:40] <deaddeb> ianorlin: that ppa looks like it's purely experimental
[04:41] <deaddeb> It'd be interesting if the next Lubuntu(after 14.10) had the option to join a LXQt alpha/beta
[04:41] <deaddeb> via the installer
[04:42] <deaddeb> then send out notes of sites to get somepublicity, and have a forum for user talk on LXQt+Lubuntu
[04:42] <deaddeb> *notes to sites to get some publicity
[07:49] <pali1> i try to run skype on a PC without SSE2
[07:50] <pali1> i tried to run with qemu
[07:50] <pali1> sudo qemu-i386 -L / .Skype
[07:50] <pali1> but i got this error: Error while loading .Skype: Permission denied
[07:50] <pali1> i tried with sudo too... same error, please help
[09:03] <onla> hey. how do I change the window manager in lubuntu? In ubuntu I read it is storing info at /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/"YOURSESSION"
[09:03] <onla>  but I don't have that in lubuntu
[16:01] <akis> hi all. i am considering to revive an old pc (celeron@400mhz with only 192 mb ram and a gforce with 60mb ram) installing lubuntu 10.04. Is that possible although this version is dicontinued. i am reading here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/PreviousReleases#A10.04 that : "10.04 is no longer supported and does not receive updates for desktop, the kernel is still supported until April 2015". what does this exactly mean?
[16:01] <holstein> akis: lubuntu 14.04 is the first long term support lubuntu..
[16:02] <holstein> akis: the 10.04 repos are hot and up for ubuntu 10.04 server.. and that is all
[16:02] <akis> i know this and i am running it already on a lenovo netbook. its great.
[16:02] <holstein> *if*, you were to have a question, issue, or problem with a package.. there is no support for it.. if there is a "vulnerability" in 10.04 that doesnt effect the server version, then it may not be addressed
[16:03] <holstein> if you want to run 10.04, run it.. but, there is no support for it. so you support yourself
[16:03] <holstein> personally, i would just run 14.04
[16:03] <holstein> i would start with...
[16:03] <holstein> !mini
[16:03] <testdr> akis: you need the alternate-installer-version - you have less than 512MB memory and in use (after install) you will notice heavy swapping when using firefox-browser
[16:04] <holstein> but, firefox and other applications will swap on that hardware in 10.04, or whatever else
[16:05] <testdr> akis: if not already done, check:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Alternate_ISO
[16:05] <akis> i read about mini but i dont think that this old machine can run the newest 14.04 although in mini version
[16:05] <akis> 10.04 has chrome as default browser.
[16:05] <holstein> akis: sure.. dont "think" about it at all.. just try the mini iso i linked..
[16:06] <holstein> akis: *none* of the ubuntu's come with chrome as the browser.. chrome is not in the repos
[16:06] <testdr> did any one tell about the cpu-limitiations? Could be a computer without "pae"
[16:06] <holstein> akis: you can easily install chrome into any linux.. dont let the default browser dictate what you use
[16:07] <akis> repos are still available on 10.04?
[16:07] <holstein> if you have the pae issue preventing 14.04 from working.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
[16:07] <holstein> akis: for the server.. 10.04 is still supported for the server..
[16:07] <holstein> !10.04
[16:08] <holstein> akis: but not much longer.. as i stated above, if you use 10.04, you will support it yourself..
[16:08] <holstein> i would use the mini 14.04 iso and add whatever the hardware will support
[16:09] <holstein> the "forcepae" option will help, if your hardware needs that..
[16:09] <akis> in your opinion mini 14.04 could be installed with only 192 mb ram and run with a celeron@400mhz. i doubt about it!
[16:10] <holstein> akis: sure.. dont "doubt" or "think".. try it..
[16:11] <holstein> akis: i use the mini iso, and i dont select anything to install during that installation.. i just get the minimal commandline systemm installed, and then add what i need.. lxde or lubuntu-desktop.. as i said, whatever the hardware will support
[16:12] <holstein> the mini iso has the options of the older alternate iso that testdr suggested.. much lower spec requirements..
[16:12] <akis> i am trying every day many distros but i didnt find something to satisfy me instead of legacy os 2.1 based on puppy linux. but i am running in all my other 3 machines xubuntu 14.04 (2 pcs) and lubuntu 14.04 (1 machine) and i think that are the greatest!
[16:13] <akis> hmmm. i see !!! that is very interesting.
[16:14] <holstein> yeah.. if you want 14.04, try using 14.04.. 10.04 is EOL for your purposes.. and chrome is not in the repos at all..
[16:14] <holstein> chromium is.. but not chrome
[16:14] <holstein> !info chromium-browser
[16:15] <holstein> but, chrome can be installed easily into any ubuntu or ubuntu flavor, or any linux
[16:15] <holstein> though, nothing will make your machine any "better" or faster.. you will not have a good experience online with that machine with video online
[16:15] <akis> i wrote chrome, i meant chromium. anyway. forget it. is there any guide to how can i proceed with minimal installation and then add lubuntu desktop?
[16:16] <holstein> akis: the guide goes like this.. get the iso from the link above.. install, use the fakepae option i linked if you need.. install minimal, and *after* installation, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop ...*or* just install lxde, or whatever is lighter that you may prefer
[16:18] <akis> and after lubuntu gets life i can proceed with any extra package installation i want (ie abiworld, gnumeric etc) using the repos?
[16:19] <holstein> akis: nothing about any of those pacakge, or lubuntu, or ubuntu or linux prevents that
[16:19] <holstein> akis: *nothing* makes your machine any better or more appropriate for using those applications.. it either has the power, or not
[16:22] <akis> so i can choose to install midori for a better performance instead of heavy firefox or chromium. should i install manually any other useful application (ie pcfmman, gnome player etc) or if lubuntu desktop will be installed includes these?
[16:22] <holstein> akis: install what you like, friend.. nothing prevents that.. but, they dont make your machine any faster
[16:23] <testdr> akis: only the time to boot the installed linux on such a machine will last around 2-3 (or more) Minutes!
[16:24] <akis> sure. i know this. i just want a very-very basic operation
[16:24] <holstein> as i said, sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop installs lubuntu.. you end up with stock ubuntu from that..
[16:24] <holstein> akis: if you need "very-very basic", then, just get *exactly* what you need.. lxde and whatever other applications
[16:25] <akis> lxde is lighter than lubuntu?
[16:25] <holstein> or, not even lxde.. even lighter than that. if you need
[16:25] <testdr> akis: because you already know lubuntu (from your other computers) you should try the 14.04-Version - it would have the same options like you already know. --- LXDE = Lubuntu
[16:25] <holstein> akis: lubuntu uses lxde.. if you dont need want lubuntu, you dont have to get it
[16:26] <akis> i know that lubuntu=lxde but i am wondering if there is lightest version...
[16:26] <holstein> akis: lubuntu is ubuntu with lxde and other tweaks.. with lust lxde you can build something arguably lighter, with less things.. more "very-very basic"
[16:26] <holstein> akis: lxde is not advertised as "the lightest things ever"..
[16:26] <akis> openwm maybe?
[16:27] <holstein> akis: its light.. but, you have *very* old hardware.. in my opinion, no desktop environment is going to help you do what you want to do
[16:27] <akis> is it installable on ubuntu core?
[16:27] <testdr> akis: for a memory-compare of desktop/windowmanagers, you may check:  http://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/04/09/a-memory-comparison-of-light-linux-desktops-part-2/
[16:28] <holstein> but, a couple MB's is not going to allow that machine to play youtube, for example
[16:28] <akis> on this configuration i realized that only xubuntu 6.06 was fine!
[16:29] <akis> i tested already! under legacy 2.1 and using opera 12 the browser can open the first page of youtube but it cannot proceed to play a video.
[16:30] <holstein> akis: that machine is *not* capable of using youtube.. you would need to ask youtube to support your hardware, and they are not interested in doing that
[16:31] <holstein> i would consider repurposing that box as a headless server without x running..
[16:31] <akis> it is really impressive how can run under legacy 2.1 with plenty of kde application with less of 100 mb ram.
[16:32] <holstein> you can install opera into whatever you would like.. but, its likely an older version of opera..
[16:32] <akis> i am wondering if lubuntu can succeed a similar performance.
[16:34] <akis> legacy os 2.1 its a new release (apr 2014) and it can manage this old system smoothly. i wish i could come off the same result with lubuntu which is (with xubuntu) my favorite distro
[16:35] <Ahmuck> hi.  i'm having a problem with icons on the panel re-ordering themselves after an edit to the application bar.
[16:36] <Ahmuck> er, problems on the application bar with icons re-ordering themselves.
[16:36] <Ahmuck> i wasn't sure what was the cause and have been watching and trying to determine what it was
[16:37] <Ahmuck> i observed it hapens after deleteing an icon via the application launch bar edit
[16:37] <Ahmuck> the icons them are all out of set order and i have to go through and re-set many of them to the desired places
[16:37] <holstein> akis: i would just use what is working.. the goal of ubuntu/lubuntu may not be matching your hardware..
[16:37] <holstein> akis: i feel i could burn up an afternoon and make lubuntu/ubuntu 14.04 run tolerably on that hardware..
[16:38] <akis> holstein: thank you my friend your very useful advises and for your time time. i will try mini installation and i will report any problem or i will ask for any further assistance.
[16:39] <holstein> akis: good luck
[16:39] <akis> thanks!
[16:40] <holstein> Ahmuck: i usually just consider another panel in those cases.. lxde is so light, and made to be that way.. i find tint2 to be light, and arguably easier to "lock down"
[16:53] <holstein> Ahmuck: did you try tint2?
[16:54] <Ahmuck> yes and no.  i recently tried crunchbang (after the mouse battery icon fiasco) and iirc it was using tint2
[16:55] <Ahmuck> i guess my problem with the idea ... is obviously there is a bug in the panel.  is there a reason for not investigating the problem and fixing it?
[16:55] <Ahmuck> it's kinda like asking me to change from windows to mac just because double clicking an icon no longer works
[16:56] <holstein> Ahmuck: my reason is just that i dont do code.. did you file a bug? if you would, that would help outline what you do and help someone else replicate the bug
[16:56] <Ahmuck> and i'm sorry, it's just i've had so many of these type of issues that i've become defensive on the issues
[16:56] <holstein> Ahmuck: im not asking you to switch, really. its just a matter of the right tool for the right job.. tint is more easily locked down
[16:56] <Ahmuck> did you get my message the other day on a bug i had filed earlier and recieved feedback on?
[16:56] <holstein> Ahmuck: no
[16:57] <Ahmuck> i filed a bug in 2010 and recieved a response in 2014
[16:57] <Ahmuck> they finally closed the bug
[16:57] <holstein> Ahmuck: sure. 2010 would be dead by now
[16:57] <Ahmuck> i looked carefully at the bug report.  it wasn't completly complete but this is part of the reason i no longer file bugs ( wxl )
[16:57] <holstein> Ahmuck: i mean, its not a perfect system... but, it *is* the way to convey facts and get the issue looked at
[16:58] <Ahmuck> the bug has since then been resolved (via software channel).
[16:58] <holstein> what bug?
[16:58] <holstein> the one you posted in 2010?
[16:58] <Ahmuck> i agree in both, not a perfect system, and a way to convey facts.  the facts no longer matter after four years
[16:59] <Ahmuck> i've been thinking bout starting a blog and documenting the time it takes to get the simplest things done in lubuntu and making comparisons to other operating systems
[16:59] <holstein> Ahmuck: sure.. go for it. but, the issue is, you are not accounting for what users are accustomed to.. a lot of it is just simple familiarity
[17:00] <Ahmuck> recently my hardware changed.  it's been a bit of a challenge because they changed the keyboard layout.  however, doing the simplest thing has been a real challenge.  (like turn of the mouse pad upon boot)
[17:00] <Ahmuck> which users?
[17:00] <holstein> Ahmuck: you may also feel more comfortable at one of the larger flavors.. the issue is, you cant compare window 7 or windows 8 full editions with lubuntu, which is not amied at the same target
[17:01] <Ahmuck> even windows xp had basic hardware support
[17:01] <holstein> Ahmuck: "users" generally.. for example, if you take a user that is used to windows, things in windows will be "easier" for them, than in linux
[17:01] <holstein> Ahmuck: actually, windows xp had no hardware support at all. you add drivers to get hardware support
[17:01] <Ahmuck> i've not used windows for about 20 years
[17:01] <Ahmuck> but i'm aware of how it works
[17:02] <Ahmuck> actually, it might be closer to 14 years
[17:02] <Ahmuck> i did a stint of support for a company in 94
[17:02] <Ahmuck> and again in 10-12
[17:03] <holstein> lubuntu is LXDE + ubuntu.. the L is for light.. its meant to be light weight, and for older hardware.. its not intended to be a drop in desktop replacement for all purposes
[17:04] <Ahmuck> let's go back to the application bar.  tint2 locks it down, correct?  this is a simple file where it's specified how they are set.  deleting an icon would re-set the order in the file.  this is such a simple thing (it appears, though i'm not a programmer).
[17:05] <Ahmuck> so what would change it?  possible a cached or temp saved file while the user is changing icons that is getting re-loaded while the changes are being made?
[17:05] <Ahmuck> *shrugs*
[17:05] <holstein> Ahmuck: i find tint2 more easily locked down..
[17:05] <Ahmuck> yes, and i enjoy the light.  i install and lock down a lot of lubuntu desktops and laptops for people that want to move from windows
[17:06] <Ahmuck> tint2 is not lxde, is not lubuntu
[17:06] <Ahmuck> it's off topic
[17:06] <holstein> well, tint2 , as i said, its a panel.. lxde has its own panel.. but, tint2 is in the repos
[17:06] <holstein> !info tint2
[17:06] <holstein> it may fit your needs better.. especially for locking them down for other users
[18:23] <phillw> wxl: I've put your call for testers on the Fb areas and G+ area
[18:23] <wxl> thanks phillw :)
[18:23] <phillw> Hey, I used to have this each cycle :)
[18:23] <wxl> yeah yeah
[18:31] <phillw> wxl: oh, and Sergio has prepped up the 14.10 pages e.g. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Release%2B1
[19:44] <pacmyc> Hi there! Suddenly after kernel update I can no longer mount cifs-shares from fstab, I receive the error CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -5
[22:56] <Glorfindel> how do I install KDE?
[22:56] <Glorfindel> it doesn't show up in the software center
[23:05] <Glorfindel> please memoserv the answer to me :) thanks
[23:23] <holstein> Glorfindel: how about now?
[23:24] <holstein> Glorfindel: you should be able to search for whatever KDE packages you would like, but, if you want to switch, you'll want "kubuntu-desktop"
[23:24] <holstein> !info kubuntu-desktop
[23:24] <holstein> you can just install kde if you like, though..
[23:24] <holstein> !kubuntu
[23:53] <Glorfindel> holstein: thank you :)
[23:54] <Glorfindel> I was searching for kde and couldn't find it :)