=== thumper is now known as thumper-afk [04:33] Good morning [07:20] morning folks [07:20] hey TheMuso [07:21] Hey willcooke. [07:50] good morning desktopers [07:56] morning seb128 [07:56] seb128, would you have time to help me with the what's new in 14.10 list today? [07:56] or tomorrow is fine [07:56] or just a short list via email [07:56] whatevs [07:56] I just don't want to be scratching around at the last minute on Monday night :) [07:57] I found the blueprints for 14.10 - but not a whole lot to go on there [07:57] willcooke, hey, I just replied to your email [07:57] oh [07:57] wow [07:57] thanks [07:57] willcooke, you are not going to like the reply much though [07:57] ha [07:57] reality is that we don't have much that changed enough to be marketing material [07:57] nah - that reply is good [07:58] that's what I thought would be the caase [07:58] *case [07:58] we basically iterated over what we have, some updates, bugfixing, polish [07:58] so now it's confirmed I can get on with it [07:58] lot of touch work [07:58] yeah [07:58] we did some updates like gtk, some GNOME components/apps [07:58] but nothing of that is significant enough/user visible enough for a marketing page [07:59] "continuing improving hidpi support" could be one item [08:06] hey [08:07] Laney, good morning, wie gehts? [08:08] hi Laney! [08:08] oh, I'm named weirdly [08:08] keep it, it makes you look important === larsu_ is now known as larsu [08:09] it's going well thanks, had a board games night last night [08:09] we didn't defeat wu feng, BUT! [08:09] realised that every time we played that game we've played this one rule wrong which makes it way harder than it should be [08:09] so next time he's going down [08:10] thx seb [08:11] what's up larsu et seb128 et willcooke? [08:11] it's all going on today [08:11] Laney, what game is that? [08:11] it's called Ghost Stories [08:11] and it's by a french guy! [08:11] haha [08:12] http://www.amazon.com/Asmodee-5511826-Ghost-Stories/dp/B001J77UUQ [08:13] that's it [08:13] it has good reviews [08:13] Laney: not much, feeling unimportant now that you mentioned it [08:13] Laney: I'm off for a short vacation at the baltic sea after today [08:13] yeah it's a fun game [08:14] larsu: why unimportant? :( [08:14] I saw there's a public holiday in .de tomorrow [08:14] Tag der Deutschen Einheit! [08:15] not important because he lost the tail after his nick? [08:15] Laney: "keep it, it makes you look important" [08:15] Laney: yep, gives us a nice long weekend :) [08:15] ah, forgot about that already :p [08:15] you're always important to me ♥ [08:15] oh, speaking about long w.e [08:15] Laney: :) [08:15] * seb128 needs to put a vac day on monday [08:15] ;) [08:15] lol [08:16] * willcooke prepares his REJECT button [08:16] hmm [08:16] * seb128 walks out and let Laney and larsu together [08:16] I've got some bug in the last day [08:16] where my background doesn't load properly like 50% of the time [08:16] http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/what.png [08:16] I love that url... [08:16] also do I normally have those icons? [08:17] Laney: there's supposed to be a bg image? [08:17] hum [08:17] yes [08:17] I don't even know what that gradient is [08:17] Laney: text shadow on the icons is wrong [08:17] it's like nautilus was failing to read its config [08:17] ya [08:17] happens loads [08:17] Laney: you can set a gradient in bg settings [08:17] do yo have anything wrong in the logs? [08:17] Laney: in GNOME... [08:17] I was ignoring it yesterday because I was logging in all the time to fix that unity bug [08:17] larsu, in unity as well [08:18] seb128: ah, in the combo box [08:18] * larsu didn't see that at first [08:20] well, wrong bg + icons displayed when they should ... looks like to me that nautilus is not reading the correct gsettings config or something [08:20] running nautilus doesn't bring it back [08:20] well [08:20] oh [08:20] OH [08:21] is the file in org.gnome.desktop.background.picture-uri correct? [08:21] what is handling your desktop? [08:21] click on one of those icons [08:21] and do help->about [08:21] I bet it's one of the nautilus fork you installed [08:21] like the cinnamon one [08:21] or nemo [08:21] oh [08:21] does that happen? [08:21] yes [08:21] wtf [08:21] and the first to start wins the desktop [08:21] WTF! [08:21] I did install the MATE one [08:22] there you go [08:22] yeah that's totally running [08:22] this seems a bit shitty (how surprising) [08:22] and it's starting before nautilus half of the time [08:22] sigh [08:23] how do these things get started again? [08:23] /etc/xdf/autostart [08:23] xdg even [08:23] okay, I'll file a bug on caja to fix its file [08:24] to be OnlyShowIn? [08:24] yep [08:24] right, makes sense [08:24] caja is their name for the nautilus fork? [08:25] it is [08:25] yet another nautilus fork :/ [08:25] couldn't those guys work together on e.g nemo? [08:25] the old "can't we work together" argument never worked [08:26] seb128: when are we switching? :P [08:26] larsu, to which one? ;-) [08:26] we should try one every cycle! [08:27] midnight commander [08:27] seb128: lol! [08:27] Laney: ts ts [08:27] larsu, hum, theme weirdness that might be new to your recent changes/landing [08:28] larsu, in gedit, the "search" box (the one you get with ctrl-f) has its borders transparents, I don't think it did before [08:29] which is not specific to o-s for once [08:31] uh oh [08:32] seb128: white bg for me - I guess it's supposed to be @theme_bg? [08:32] shrug [08:32] I wonder why it's buggy for me :-( [08:32] I don't know, it used to be white for me as well [08:32] AH! [08:32] it's transparent for me as well [08:33] I wonder what changed that... [08:34] you just said it was white? [08:34] yes, because the text view is white as well [08:34] putting some text there showed me it's actually transparent [08:44] larsu, oh, I saw it easy because I oped a new document at the first line was selected/with a grey bg for me [08:44] I've also the 80 columns margin displayed [08:45] seb128: this is what I'm using for testing now :) [08:45] :-) [08:46] oh, that was easy [08:48] seb128: @theme_base_color is not defined in our themes (it's just called @base_color) [08:48] but some software use that name? [08:48] seb128: got copied in with the latest gedit-specific tweaks in apps/gedit.css [08:48] I'll MR after some more testing [08:49] ah, there's more @theme_* [08:49] larsu, danke [08:52] larsu, can you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-monitor/+bug/1376432 as well? [08:52] Ubuntu bug 1376432 in gnome-system-monitor (Ubuntu) "GNOME System Monitor Resources graphs show black borders" [Low,Triaged] [08:53] ya [08:53] danke [08:57] seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ubuntu-themes/fix-gedit/+merge/236830 [08:58] larsu, wfm, but if apps/other themes use e.g @theme_base_color, would it make sense to define that variable in our theme? [08:59] seb128: we've always called it @base_color in our theme. Not sure if we'd break anything if we went with Adwaita's definitions now [08:59] larsu, can't we add an alias? [08:59] just @theme_base_color pointing to @base_color [08:59] so both would work? [08:59] I'd rather not, there's quite a few of those [08:59] see colors.css [08:59] k [08:59] wfm in any case, thanks [08:59] sorry, gtk-main.css [09:00] seb128: in general we discourage applications from reusing variables from the theme [09:00] instead, they should just give their widgets the right classes [09:00] i.e, ".background" in this case [09:01] k [09:25] bah, GNOME bugzilla is slooow [09:25] ya :/ [09:26] hosted by RH not Canonical ;-) [09:53] pitti, hey [09:55] pitti, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-touch-fr doesn't include indicator-sound.mo anymore, do you know why? [09:57] hey seb128 [10:00] seb128: there's indeed no trace of it, but it didn't disappear in the last upload [10:01] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/185102146/language-pack-touch-fr_1%3A14.10%2B20140909_1%3A14.10%2B20140916.diff.gz [10:01] it disappeared here [10:01] pitti, it's in the current rtm image [10:01] yes [10:01] pitti, said differently "please don't copy those updates to rtm" :-) [10:01] no, I stopped doing that, we now build RTM specifig langpacks [10:01] there should be an update todya [10:02] I wonder if that glib ever went in [10:02] Laney, speaking of glib, should be sync the stable version from Debian? [10:02] Laney, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/+source/glib2.0 looks like it didn't :/ [10:03] yeah I was waiting because desrt said he was going to do a new stable without property deprecation warnings and removing the mutex abort [10:03] but that didn't come yet so maybe we should take this one [10:03] Laney, https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?h=glib-2-42&id=b12bd1c3dcfbb398d2462dcf584a1f6d5173ca9a [10:03] we can at least backport that one if we want [10:04] there should be a release [10:04] k [10:04] let's see what he says later, can decide then [10:04] the mutex things is going to be removed? [10:04] just the abort I think [10:04] or asked differently, do we need to backport https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?h=gtk-2-24&id=fbf38d16bcc26630f0f721d266509f5bc292f606 [10:04] the glib fix would have the same effect [10:04] desrt, ^ [10:04] k [10:05] if we are sure we are getting the glib change let's not backport the gtk one then [10:05] that gtk one is kind of a hack/workaround [10:06] right, but that's better than nothing [10:06] well if glib stop aborting even better [10:07] yes [10:07] seb128: so, I have not the slightest idea; the logs are already gone as we had two more updates after that [10:09] seb128: the next automatic update will fix it again [10:09] (I restored the files) [10:09] pitti, danke === thumper-afk is now known as thumper [10:23] so good having media keys back [10:23] I was actually getting used to scroll wheeling on the indicator [10:24] we didn't fix the direction of scroll wheel scrolling in u-c-c -> sound? [10:24] larsu looked at it but couldn't reproduce [10:25] seems to depend of the type of pointing device in use [10:25] didn't the indicator have it before? [10:25] because that's right for me now [10:26] yeah, not sure what's the difference :/ [10:26] it's buggy on most u-c-c sliders for me [10:26] like the keyboard repetitions, a11y, etc as well [10:27] seb128, Laney: gtk slider scroll direction is different from all sound sliders [10:27] same [10:27] afaik [10:27] you mean u-c-c overrides it to be the other way? [10:27] only for the sound slider, yes [10:27] well, seb128 just pointed out that other panels have this too [10:28] it's backwards for the touchpad on my laptop as well [10:28] * larsu is confused [10:28] two finger scrolling [10:29] indeed, two finger scrolling is the opposite direction [10:30] Laney: xev shows me that different buttons get activated... [10:30] ah, natural scrolling only affects two-finger scroll on the touchpad, not the scroll wheel one [10:31] Laney: if you turn natural scrolling off, is it consistent? [10:31] I don't have that setting on [10:32] me neither [10:32] still sound is the wrong way around [10:32] scroll up make it go lower [10:32] okay there are two issues here: [10:32] (1) the sound sliders react in the opposite way from all other sliders on the system [10:32] (2) when natural scrolling is turned on, two-finger scroll behaves in the opposite way from scroll wheel scroll [10:33] seb128: for me, it's the other way around. Which buttons does xev report for scroll up/down? [10:33] (3) the sound slider in u-c-c doesn't react the right way [10:33] seb128: this is (1), no? [10:33] no [10:33] for me it reacts the same way as the other sliders [10:34] the keyboard panel ones in u-c-c do the same [10:34] the a11y ones as well [10:34] they are all backwards in u-c-c for me [10:34] same here [10:34] scroll up xev button 4 [10:34] down button 5 [10:34] why do I see a difference then? [10:34] good question [10:34] I'm using an usb mouse [10:34] with a wheel [10:35] same for me, up 4, down 5 on the trackpoint and two-finger scroll [10:35] (without natural scrolling) [10:35] sound slider in u-c-c is up/forward, every other slider is up/backwards [10:36] k, for me sound is the same as every other slider [10:36] seb128: maybe you have the mate control center installed? [10:36] I'll look into it [10:36] * seb128 slaps larsu with a trout [10:36] haha [10:36] what's the gtk3 widget factory thing called? [10:36] gtk3-widget-factory [10:36] lol [10:37] oh yeah [10:37] wow [10:37] that has screwed up theming ....... [10:37] those behave the same as u-c-c sliders [10:37] up = move to the left [10:37] Laney: hm? [10:37] transparent background [10:37] Laney: apart from non-resizable window and no shadow, it should be fine [10:38] but indeed it is also backwards [10:38] Laney, bug #1285783 might be the same [10:38] bug 1285783 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "Right panel has a transparent background" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1285783 [10:38] there is a fix there we forgot to land :/ [10:38] want to test it? [10:39] kay [10:39] wfm [10:39] did he fwd it? [10:40] but I seem to be running a different os from you guys :/ [10:40] are you using the archive gtk? [10:40] yes [10:41] larsu, do you have all the sound panels doing right on up? [10:41] like the one from the effects tab as well? [10:41] http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/wowzers.png [10:41] Laney, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=02ccfb5d62430590b11b2d3e34b6100e4a6ddcda [10:41] seb128: yes, all the sound sliders go right on up [10:42] thanks, I'll try the upstream one [10:42] Laney, yeah, better, the upstream bug states that the downstream one had an issue [10:42] thanks [10:43] Laney: ah, o-s [10:43] larsu, k, I don't understand what's different between our setups :/ [10:43] * larsu reproduces [10:43] we should just drop those [10:43] * larsu runs [10:43] (again) [10:43] 15.04 man [10:44] I need a bigger SSD so I don't have to delete checkouts all the time [10:45] or git could grow a "give me this commit from this remote as a .patch" command ... [10:47] cgit does that... [10:48] or that could give you it with a nice filename, indeed [10:51] bah [10:51] I don't understand why https://launchpadlibrarian.net/184385786/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-i386.evolution-data-server_3.12.6-0ubuntu2_UPLOADING.txt.gz has its translations in "list-missing" [10:51] they are installed in debian/tmp [10:51] (from the log) [10:52] e-d-s-common.install lists the directory [10:54] or that's pkgstriptranslations [10:54] but then I don't get why the .mo don't show up on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/evolution-data-server/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=all [10:54] pitti, ^ do you have any idea? [10:55] it makes https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/evolution-data-server show 3.12 as untranslated [10:55] hum, maybe I should have accepted that template as "evolution-data-server" rather than -3.12? [10:56] where is dpm when have launchpad translation questions? :-) [11:01] seb128: that patch doesn't fix the widget factory [11:03] seb128: wisely hiding as you have launchpad translation questions? [11:15] Laney, not even combined with the theme fix in the same lp bug? [11:15] davmor2, seems so [11:15] oh, didn't notice that [11:29] nah, still doesn't work :( [11:34] :-( [11:34] did you try gnome-tweak-tools to see if that one is fixed? === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:34] it breaks when I change tab [11:35] Laney: already removed the properties notices. didn't remove the mutex assert -- i think that will stay, actually [11:35] should backport the gtk fix i guess [11:35] kay, up to you [11:36] you doing a release? [11:36] i can [11:36] also, hi :) [11:36] seems relatively minor at this point, though [11:36] may just wait to do it on schedule [11:37] morning desrt! [11:37] good morning [11:37] i will leave my house in 20 minutes [11:37] to drive to downtown toronto [11:37] seb128: I've MRed a backport for gnome-system-monitor, which fixes it for all themes (Adwaita wasn't affected, but High Contrast etc. were)( [11:37] being that it's 8am, this will take approximately an hour [11:38] desrt: but ... why? [11:38] and is something that, under normal circumstances, i would never ever do in a car [11:38] because, seriously... [11:38] but... [11:38] ya [11:38] it turns out that today is a special day [11:38] i have a friend who is being released from the hospital and he needs a ride home [11:38] awesome \O/ [11:38] yay! [11:38] nice [11:38] great news [11:38] larsu, thanks, looking at that, so it was not the theme itself for once? [11:39] seb128: yep. The background was drawn incorrectly. I had a fix and then realized there was a (better) one upstream already, so I backported that [11:39] larsu, great, thanks [11:39] we shoudl really update g-s-m... we're on 3.8 [11:40] yeah, I think the issue was gtkheaderbar [11:40] going to look at updating those with patches similar to evince [11:40] but that's for next cycle [11:40] * larsu makes a note of that [11:41] larsu, looks good, bonus point next time if you do (lp: ) in the changelog (doing that for you on this one) [11:41] seb128: oops, sorry [11:41] * larsu never remembers _all_ the things [11:41] no worry [11:46] larsu, on updating apps topic, next fun is going to be those annoying .desktop renames [11:46] the one to match the dbus name [11:46] I wonder what to do about that [11:46] I guess desrt is not going happy if we revert the renames [11:46] what's the problem? [11:46] users launcher settings getting screwed around? [11:47] yes [11:47] is that the only issue? [11:47] yes [11:47] but it's an annoying one [11:47] do we care about users? ;) [11:47] * seb128 slaps desrt with a trout [11:47] i have a plan... ish [11:47] we need a big map [11:47] no [11:47] we need [11:47] [Desktop Entry] [11:48] AliasFor=org.gnome.newname.desktop [11:48] as a separate file? [11:48] yes [11:48] it's the only sane way [11:48] how would that work? [11:48] hello stat! [11:48] larsu: no. [11:48] then you need to patch all the .desktop parsers [11:48] we'd love to call you more often [11:48] stat stat stat [11:48] * larsu sings [11:48] larsu: what are you even talking about? [11:49] seb128: other choice is symlinks [11:49] that leads to duplicate items in e.g the unity dash [11:49] seb128: unless we update all the desktop file parsers :) [11:50] :-/ [11:50] let's not rename [11:50] one way or another something has to give [11:50] you can't not rename :p [11:50] well, those had a name let's keep it [11:50] bet I can? [11:50] the problem will just get bigger with time [11:50] and a lot of these apps are depending on dbus activation [11:50] keep the old one with NoDisplay [11:50] Laney: NoDisplay would be implied by Alias= [11:50] doesn't require fixing parsers [11:51] with the added benefit that old parsers wouldn't even understand it at all [11:51] if we don't care about that, then ya [11:51] Laney, would e.g nautilus show launchers with NoDisplay? [11:51] desrt: I'm talking about not having a desktop file cache yet [11:51] seb128: when browsing /usr/share/applications, yes [11:51]