[01:03] <ahoneybun> would it be wrong to make a omgubuntu app? I know there is a webapp, but a app like a rss reader?
[01:03] <ahoneybun> I know there is a rss app as the core app but can you add rss feeds to it?
[01:26] <sergiusens> ahoneybun: yes you can
[06:52] <dholbach> good morning
[06:56] <nhaines> Good morning!
[06:56]  * nhaines took a nap around 6pm and just woke up!  -__-
[09:09] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Farm Animals Day! :-D
[09:30] <andrej_> Hi
[09:30] <andrej_> anybody knows answer to this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/531068/cant-run-ubuntu-core-app-from-ide-on-the-device ?
[09:31] <popey> zbenjamin: ^
[09:34] <zbenjamin> andrej_: don't you get the question if you want to override the installed app?
[09:35] <andrej_> zbenjamin: which question?
[09:36] <zbenjamin> andrej_: the most recent version of the SDK should open a dialog that asks you if you want to override the installed app, if you press Yes it continues
[09:36] <zbenjamin> andrej_: also in the runsettings you can set a checkbox so it always overrides
[09:38] <andrej_> zbenjamin: no. I already suspect that I'm not running the lates Ubuntu SDK
[09:38] <andrej_> zbenjamin: how do I verify that?
[09:38] <zbenjamin> andrej_: are you on trusty or on utopic?
[09:39] <andrej_> trusty
[09:39] <andrej_> zbenjamin: trusty
[09:39] <zbenjamin> andrej_: and you use the sdk ppa?
[09:39] <andrej_> yep
[09:39] <andrej_> zbenjamin: yep
[09:40] <vitimiti> Hi
[09:40] <zbenjamin> andrej_: dpkg -l | grep qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu
[09:40] <andrej_> zbenjamin: today I removed Ubuntu SDK completely and installed again to make sure it's the latest one, but it probably still isn't
[09:40] <zbenjamin> andrej_: thats the most recent one 3.1.1+14.10.20140915-0ubuntu1~0trusty1
[09:41] <zbenjamin> thats already pretty old, maybe the newest features did not yet land on trusty
[09:42] <zbenjamin> andrej_: if you want bleeding edge you can also use this ppa https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ubuntu/tools-development
[09:42] <andrej_> zbenjamin: this is my output: ii  qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu                               3.1.1+14.10.20140915-0ubuntu1~0trusty1              amd64        Ubuntu plugin for Qt Creator IDE ii  qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu-common                        3.1.1+14.10.20140915-0ubuntu1~0trusty1              all          Common data files for the Ubuntu plugin for Qt Creator IDE
[09:43] <andrej_> zbenjamin: thanks, I'll try that
[09:44] <andrej_> zbenjamin: I don't like the idea of upgrading to an unstable OS
[09:44] <zbenjamin> andrej_: yeah thats why we have the ppa's
[09:44] <vitimiti> andrej_, it's not that unstable, I'm using it and I'm kind of disappointed that I can't find much to complain about
[09:44] <zbenjamin> andrej_: but the release to that ppas is manually so if there is heavy load on us its possible that not all updates land immediately
[09:45] <andrej_> zbenjamin: should I remove the old PPA?
[09:45] <zbenjamin> vitimiti: andrej_: we all use it for daily work
[09:45] <zbenjamin> andrej_: keep it
[09:45] <zbenjamin> andrej_: not sure if the devel ppa has all packages
[09:45] <vitimiti> Yeah, it's really stable for a pre release
[09:46] <andrej_> zbenjamin: in recent years  I settled to use only LTS releases. The others I call unstable :-P
[09:49] <andrej_> zbenjamin: so I need to add the PPA and run apt-get update? Or rempove ubuntu-sdk, add PPA and install?
[09:51] <zbenjamin> andrej_: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[09:51]  * zbenjamin usually runs apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:52] <vitimiti> Is there an option in the Ubuntu SDK to create a header with the license you want every time I create a file?
[09:58] <andrej_> zbenjamin: I added the PPA sucessfully, but apt-get update produces errors: W: Zlyhalo stiahnutie http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found  W: Zlyhalo stiahnutie http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[10:10] <andrej_> zbenjamin: I started the updated ubuntu-sdk and got the dialog indeed. After clicking yes, I get:
[10:10] <andrej_> zbenjamin: Sdk-Launcher> Launcher PID: 3528 Sdk-Launcher> Uninstalling already installed package (--force-install) Sdk-Launcher> Uninstalling the application failed
[10:11] <zbenjamin> andrej_: hmm seems i need to hack some more on that part, as a workaround you could disable the uninstall step in /usr/share/qtcreator/ubuntu/scripts/qtc_device_applaunch.py i think
[10:15] <andrej_> zbenjamin: I have opened the file. Which lines should I comment out?
[10:16] <zbenjamin> andrej_: search for that string " Uninstalling already installed package "
[10:16] <zbenjamin> andrej_: there should be a call to pkcon right next to it
[10:23] <andrej_> zbenjamin: I commented out the 'else' branch and the application really seems to have installed, but it looks like this: http://disk.jabbim.cz/dl/deb73476ae78b9f4475bb877ea4c3a0d/542d274b/ondrejandrej@jabbim.sk/dl.png
[10:24] <zbenjamin> andrej_: that is a packaging error
[10:24] <zbenjamin> andrej_: it cannot find your qml file
[10:24] <zbenjamin> andrej_: was that app already packaged for click? or do you work on it?
[10:27] <andrej_> I downloaded it right now by bzr branch and didn't touch any file
[10:27] <andrej_> zbenjamin: ^
[10:27] <zbenjamin> andrej_: which branch is that?
[10:28] <andrej_> I have run bzr branch lp:dropping-letters
[10:31] <zbenjamin> andrej_: seems its not really meant to be packaged with click
[10:32] <zbenjamin> andrej_: but you can change the exec line in the desktop file to qmlscene dropping-letters.qml
[10:33] <andrej_> zbenjamin: BTW I wouldn't mint running it on Desktop, but it tells me "module QtQuick version 2.3 is not installed"
[10:33] <andrej_> zbenjamin: BTW I wouldn't mind running it on Desktop, but it tells me "module QtQuick version 2.3 is not installed"
[10:33] <zbenjamin> andrej_: ok, so it only runs on utopic  ;)
[10:34] <zbenjamin> but try to change the desktop file
[10:46] <andrej_> zbenjamin: I changed the exec line and it works! But I sounds are not working. AFAIK this is supposed to be already working
[11:36] <gatox> seb128, hi.... i replied to this branch a couple of days ago: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-system-settings/display-errors/+merge/235037 let me know if i need to do something else
[11:37] <seb128> gatox, I was waiting to reply to my "do we have a design for the strings used?" which you didn't
[11:38] <gatox> seb128, no as far as i know
[11:39] <seb128> we should?
[11:40] <gatox> seb128, we probably should...
[11:44] <gatox> seb128, i'm going to start testing the other 2 branches... i proposed them before actual testing on a device... because asking around, having CI to build the branch was the ony way to get the DEBs
[11:44] <seb128> gatox, k, did you look if you work conflicts with the changes kenvandine is working on?
[11:45] <gatox> seb128, no... i didn't look abouot that... i saw a branch from him landed the other day... i think there is no conflicts between mine and his branches, but i'll merge to be sure
[11:47] <seb128> gatox, well, seems like he landed his work, so I guess just make sure you rebase on trunk
[11:47] <gatox> seb128, yes
[12:16] <andrej_> zbenjamin: Maybe I should commit the dropping-letters.desktop with the altered line so that the app runs properly. Should I?
[13:02] <gatox> seb128, so... about the first branch and the strings thing... should we do somethign about that? or is that branch ok?
[13:02] <seb128> gatox, let me give it another look/test on the device
[13:04] <zbenjamin> andrej_: no idea, i don't know how its normally packaged and if its normally installed using a debian package
[13:04] <gatox> seb128, ack
[13:04] <gatox> seb128, i'm working on the second one and check why is not working
[13:04] <seb128> k
[13:05] <seb128> gatox, did you confirm what I wrote?
[13:05] <gatox> seb128, yes
[13:05] <seb128> good :)
[13:07] <mzanetti> jgdx: hey, here's another one: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/ubuntu-system-settings/drop-reboot-label-in-launcher-reset/+merge/236876
[13:17] <jgdx> mzanetti, it doesn't need to reboot anymore?
[13:20] <mardy> cwayne: hi! Do you have time to debug that ACL issue?
[13:26] <mzanetti> jgdx: not after the branch linked in the description has landed
[13:27] <jgdx> mzanetti, neat
[13:30] <gcollura> why is system settings app startup animation different? and how? :)
[13:34] <jgdx> gcollura, look at [1] and [2]. [1] https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg09996.html [2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1376242
[13:35] <gcollura> jgdx, is that a bug? I though it was a feature!
[13:35] <gcollura> ok sorry
[13:36] <jgdx> gcollura, it's a feature in Unity, but so is the new behaviour. :)
[13:37] <gcollura> jgdx, will normal app be able to use such feature?
[13:37] <jgdx> gcollura, I don't know, but I'll refer you to [1]
[13:38] <gcollura> jgdx, I'm reading it right now, I think the 3rd behavior will be used by almost all apps
[13:39] <gcollura> thanks for the answers btw :)
[13:39] <jgdx> gcollura, np
[13:48] <seb128> mardy, hey
[13:49] <seb128> mardy, just as a fyi I backported https://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution-data-server/commit/?h=evolution-data-server-3-12&id=e3b9159bf2c0cfc467e1c9bb8965d4f002ea0fe0 to utopic
[13:50] <popey> kgunn: looks like our libSDL2-2.0.so.0 was built against libmirclient7, but we're on libmirclient8 now. Should we rebuild SDL? (I want to use SDL but can't because 'libSDL2-2.0.so.0->dlopen("libmirclient.so.7", 2PTRACE_SINGLESTEP: Input/output error')
[13:52] <jgdx> t1mp, ping
[13:56] <mpt> Wellark, I was going to say, “we should have exactly the same Previous/Next buttons for navigating between APN fields as we do for browser forms” … But then I saw we have none for browser forms :-/
[13:59] <t1mp> jgdx: hello
[14:00] <mardy> seb128: thanks a lot for taking care of that!
[14:00] <seb128> mardy, yw! I'm also going to SRU to trusty once it's tested in utopic
[14:03] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-system-settings/display-errors/+merge/235037 ? it looks fine to me but you spent more time than me in that code recently so you might have a better opinion on the changes
[14:04] <kenvandine> seb128, i'm sure it wouldn't merge cleanly now
[14:04] <seb128> kenvandine, it does!
[14:04] <seb128> just tried
[14:04] <kenvandine> wow
[14:04] <seb128> indeed
[14:04] <kenvandine> i'm amazed :)
[14:04] <seb128> I would have though it wouldn't either
[14:04] <seb128> same here!
[14:05] <seb128> let me trigger a CI build retry
[14:05] <seb128> so we get a deb rebased on trunk
[14:05] <kenvandine> thx
[14:05] <seb128> yw
[14:06] <jgdx> t1mp, can you take a look at the email I sent you?
[14:06] <seb128> gatox, do you have an hint on how to test the check-hash change?
[14:06] <jgdx> t1mp, I'm running an email notification irc service
[14:07] <gatox> seb128,  you can ask pindonga to set an incorrect hash in one of the clicks according to alecuu
[14:07] <t1mp> jgdx: I don't see the e-mail. Where did you send it? to a mailing list?
[14:07] <t1mp> what's the subject?
[14:07] <seb128> gatox, did anyone do that/tried the buggy case?
[14:08] <gatox> seb128, alecuu did it for the scope... i haven't tested this yet... i was waiting it to build.. and now i'm working on the accounts branch to try to understand the bug.... i'll test that one after this one
[14:08] <pindonga> gatox, as I told alecu back then modifying the server data for a test is not something I'm keen on doing... can't you just provide fake data for the test?
[14:08] <seb128> gatox, ok, thanks, looks fine in principle to me but it would still be good to be able to test it
[14:09] <gatox> pindonga, ah ok... i didn't know that... alecu told me that i could request that... sorry
[14:10] <gatox> seb128, let me check if i can fake the server somehow in the phone to fake the test and avoid modifying stuff in the server....
[14:10] <seb128> gatox, well, one thing at time, debug the add account one first
[14:10] <alecu> pindonga: are we talking about staging? I thought you did modify the hashes on some of the apps in staging
[14:10] <gatox> seb128, yes, sure... i will finish with this branch first
[14:11] <pindonga> alecu, I did that once as an example and to get you unblocked... I'm not keen on doing that every time a test is needed
[14:11] <pindonga> the phone should be able to provide fake data for tests
[14:12] <alecu> pindonga: ok, that sounds reasonable: we should not make tests depend on staging
[14:12] <alecu> gatox: ^
[14:12] <pindonga> thx alecu
[14:13] <alecu> gatox: seb128: btw, do you guys have a testplan for the updates part of system settings? Are you adding this test case to that test plan?
[14:14] <alecu> gatox: seb128: actually, I remember adding such a test for a bug I fixed there: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/ubuntu-system-settings
[14:14] <kgunn> popey: talk to bschaeffer
[14:15] <popey> kgunn: will do
[14:15] <alecu> gatox: seb128: I think that it would be good to add info on how to test the above bug to that test plan
[14:15] <cwayne> mardy: sure thing
[14:15] <kenvandine> gatox, i was poking around a bit trying to figure out why install all/pause all causes some state issues and i have a hunch that it sometimes triggers duplicate downloads
[14:17] <kenvandine> gatox, but i'm not sure why... i added some debugging and found that bindDownload sometimes gets called more than once for the same package
[14:17] <kenvandine> but not reliably
[14:17] <gatox> kenvandine, mmmm that's weird
[14:18] <mardy> cwayne: so, are these scopes using the requestAccess API? (the one from Ubuntu.OnlineAccounts.Client)?
[14:18] <kenvandine> yeah, and i can't really see why that would happen
[14:18] <cwayne> mardy: mine are using whatever's in accounts-polld/accounts
[14:18] <kenvandine> well, startService() gets called more than once, which could be improvied
[14:18] <kenvandine> but if all the properties aren't set, it doesn't create the download
[14:19] <kenvandine> gatox, i've only triggered that by twiddling with installAll/pauseAll
[14:19] <kenvandine> not individual pause/resule
[14:19] <kenvandine> resume
[14:20] <kenvandine> gatox, do you think that could be caused by something in udm?
[14:20] <kenvandine> like if udm retries a download, it could create a new one?
[14:20] <kenvandine> that would cause bindDownload to be called
[14:20] <kenvandine> but i don't really know anything about udm
[14:21] <gatox> kenvandine, mmm we should ask mandel, but i don't think so
[14:21] <kenvandine> i was thinking if there was some failure in the download that wasn't recoverable, maybe it was really robust and would recreate it
[14:21] <kenvandine> dunno :)
[14:22] <mardy> cwayne: accounts-polld is an unconfined app, so it doesn't need to request access (and I've checked the code, and verified that it doesn't)
[14:23] <cwayne> mardy: well im just using the code from accounts-polld in my go scope
[14:23] <cwayne> mardy: but it doesn't change anything if i make my app unconfined either
[14:23] <sergiusens> plars and fginther how are you calling ubuntu-device-flash from jenkins?
[14:24] <ogra_> sergiusens, should be visible in the console log
[14:24] <gatox> kenvandine, i think mandel is on vacations right now
[14:24] <sergiusens> 2 weeks
[14:25] <mardy> cwayne: I'm a bit ignorant about how scopes work... I see that the code to request access is in unity-scopes-shell
[14:25] <plars> sergiusens: we have scripts in lp:ubuntu-test-cases/touch that handle calling all the tools necessary to set up the phones and make them ready for testing udf + phablet-config + phablet-network + phablet-click-test-setup, etc
[14:25] <mardy> cwayne: does it mean that unity-scopes-shell could request access on behalf of your scope?
[14:25] <cwayne> mardy: so i don't use that yet (since it doesn't integrate with the go bindings)
[14:26] <cwayne> mardy: so in the future, hopefully that's how it will work, but for now its my scope itself requesting acccess
[14:26] <sergiusens> plars: thanks, that works for me; also, if I add a deprecation warning, how are you going to capture that automatically?
[14:26] <sergiusens> plars: I can also "format" the deprecation warning with dates and such for you to grab easily
[14:26] <mardy> cwayne: can you use C++ from go?
[14:27] <sergiusens> plars: that's going back to ev's comment about deprecation warnings;
[14:27] <mardy> s/use/call/
[14:27] <sergiusens> mardy: yes you can
[14:27] <plars> sergiusens: I'd have to know what to look for to capture it automatically, what are you deprecating?
[14:27] <dednick> fginther: hey. know what's going on with the unity8 qmltest VMs?
[14:27] <sergiusens> plars: well I'm changing u-d-f to have a core and touch subcommand (deprecating the non positional command)
[14:28] <fginther> dednick, the connection to the VM host is broken, we're in the process of shutting down jenknis for a restart
[14:28] <mardy> cwayne: if you can, then the code that you need is those few linews starting at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-scopes-shell/trunk/view/head:/src/Unity/scope.cpp#L1259
[14:28] <dednick> fginther: ok. thanks
[14:28] <sergiusens> plars: also adding a "query" subcommand to add --list-images, --show-image, --list-channels
[14:28] <ogra_> sergiusens, cant you just default to touch ?
[14:28] <sergiusens> yes, but I'm deprecating that
[14:29] <cwayne> mardy: can't do that from go yet (at least no idea how I would)
[14:29] <mardy> sergiusens: do you have some examples? ^
[14:30] <robotfuel> rsalveti: ping, pulse audio started crashing on today's phone image https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1366819 are you the right person to assign this bug to? It looks like no changes have been made to pa since your changes on sept 3rd
[14:30] <sergiusens> mardy: cwayne I had some in account-polld and calling Qt; one sec
[14:30] <sergiusens> mardy: cwayne you need to C wrap it basically
[14:30] <plars> sergiusens: it's hard to imagine not noticing given the number of people looking at these results, but I'll look into whether we can add some log scraper that looks for the string you use for deprecation warnings
[14:30] <mardy> cwayne: alternatively, you could directly use the DBus interface (it's just a matter of one method call), but please remember that that's a temporary solution and we offer no stability guarantees for that
[14:31]  * sergiusens wishes dbus apis were stable
[14:31] <sergiusens> solve a whole lot of "recompile" issues :-)
[14:31] <cwayne> mardy: i don't get why I have to change anything.. it worked yesterday, shouldn't it at least work unconfined?
[14:32] <sergiusens> mardy: cwayne http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-push-hackers/account-polld/trunk/view/head:/qtcontact/
[14:33] <sergiusens> plars: right, but the goal was no humans involved :-P
[14:33] <mardy> cwayne: if your apparmor is indeed "unconfined", then it should work, yes
[14:33] <cwayne> mardy: it is, but it doesn't work :/
[14:34] <mardy> cwayne: can you share the syslog (remember that logging must be enabled in /etc/signond.conf)?
[14:34] <cwayne> but it works if i remove signon-apparmor-extension
[14:34]  * jdstrand notes unconfined means different things to different people
[14:34] <plars> sergiusens: I just mean this shouldn't block you. We'll sort out some way of automatically grepping for the deprecation warning in the future.
[14:34] <sergiusens> cwayne: you can take it to the train team and the will revert; whoever introduces change needs to make sure all the peices work
[14:35] <sergiusens> pieces
[14:35] <jdstrand> there is the "unconfined" profile which uses the "unconfined" label. this is what unity8 runs as (for example)
[14:35] <plars> sergiusens: even in the presence of a way to detect this automatically though, it's nice for you to tell us it's coming :)
[14:35] <sergiusens> plars: oh, of course not, was just thinking about it ;-)
[14:35] <sergiusens> plars: when I have it under review I will ask you to look anyways :-)
[14:36] <jdstrand> then there are apps that use the unconfined template. they have an effectually unconfined policy, but the profile label is still the app id (eg, terminal, filemanager, aggregating scopes, etc)
[14:36] <jdstrand> mardy, cwayne: ^
[14:36] <plars> sergiusens: I think the more important part for us is that we have a way back - it's nice to have a deprecation path for CLIs and APIs rather than just immediately switching over
[14:36] <mardy> cwayne, jdstrand: so, OA only checks the profile label
[14:36] <jdstrand> right
[14:37] <plars> sergiusens: that way we avoid the chaos of having a flag day where everybody has to land everything in lock-step
[14:37] <cwayne> mardy: okay, so at least that explains why it doesn't work if i make it 'unconfined'
[14:37] <sergiusens> plars: I'm all for backwards compat
[14:37] <Wellark> mpt: :(
[14:37] <Wellark> mpt: our OSK needs some love
[14:37] <sergiusens> plars: no flag days allowed in my book :)
[14:37] <jdstrand> mardy: I figured you were talking about the "unconfined" label, but I suspected cwayne was perhaps talking about the unconfined template
[14:37] <cwayne> I was, sorry :)
[14:38]  * jdstrand could be wrong-- just wanted to make sure people were talking about the same thing
[14:38] <jdstrand> cwayne: no need to be sorry, it happened to be an implementation detial I knew about and thought I'd make sure you guys were talking about the same thing
[14:42] <mardy> cwayne: so, basically it was working before because without that package all accesses are granted
[14:57] <dobey> mardy: you are adding the "fix" i suggested, right? and then we can remove that later when all the related issues get fixed?
[14:58] <cwayne> mardy: right, so for the 'real' fix, I guess i'd need the go bindings to do the right thing now...
[14:59] <rsalveti> robotfuel: that's not the same bug
[14:59] <rsalveti> robotfuel: and it's already fixed in the archive, should show up in the next image
[15:00] <robotfuel> rsalveti: do you have a link to the fix, I need it for a report
[15:00] <vitimiti> Hi
[15:01] <rsalveti> robotfuel: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-touch-session/0.108+14.10.20140929-0ubuntu2
[15:01] <robotfuel> rsalveti: thanks
[15:01] <rsalveti> robotfuel: problem is that only half of the landing went to the archive
[15:08] <dbarth> ogra_: hiya; seeking oxide-qt deperately ;) is 1.2.4 targeted for the next rtm image today?
[15:36] <mpt> What does it mean when phablet-screenshot says “* daemon started successfully *” and then just sits there doing nothing?
[15:36] <popey> phone probably isn't responding to adb commands
[15:36] <popey> so its probably off or developer mode isn't on
[15:37] <mpt> Ah, Developer Mode was off, thanks
[15:37] <mpt> (weird, it was on yesterday)
[15:37] <ogra_> did you re-flash inbetween ?
[15:38] <ogra_> (or change your password/PIN
[15:38] <ogra_> )
[15:38] <mpt> I don’t remember it, but I guess I must have :-]
[15:38] <ogra_> either would unset it
[15:51] <gcollura> does click-buddy support out-of-source builds? I don't want all the cmake compilation files in my source directory
[16:29] <gcollura> ogra_, do you know why source files are compiled in their directory and not in a separated directory? (eg tmp/somerandomdir)
[16:30] <gcollura> in click-buddy script
[16:34] <ogra_> gcollura, nope, i dont know anything about click-buddy
[16:35] <ogra_> not sure who wrote it ... probably sergiusens knows
[16:35] <popey> gcollura: if you build the click in the sdk (qtc) you get a separate build folder
[16:39] <mterry> ted, will indicators detect locked vs not?  Or should we ask for a different profile when a password is needed vs swipe?
[16:45] <sergiusens> gcollura: I wrote it, but it needs some much needed attention to refactor
[16:47] <sergiusens> gcollura: there were issues with the click cmd when doing stuff out of source about a year ago when I decided to go that path
[16:47] <sergiusens> gcollura: with the bind mounts
[17:19] <MichaelTunnell> what is the best way to demo an ubuntu touch app
[17:19] <MichaelTunnell> on the desktop that is
[17:27] <bfiller> mterry: elopio and I looking at this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1368343
[17:27] <bfiller> mterry: do you start maliit when the wizard starts or only on demand?
[17:29] <bfiller> elopio: there is an env you can set in /usr/share/upstart/sessions/maliit-server.conf to at least get more debug.. let me find that
[17:33] <bfiller> elopio: try adding this "env MALIIT_DEBUG=true" to the /usr/share/upstart/sessions/maliit-server.conf file and see if we get more debug
[17:37] <bfiller> elopio: if that doesn't work, you can try this 1) reboot so the wizard appears 2) before maliit-server is started do this from a terminal a) ulimit -c unlimited b) export MALIIT_DEBUG=true c) start maliit-server
[17:38] <bfiller> elopio: then if it crashes you should have a core file in the directory you started it from and more debug
[17:38] <bfiller> elopio: I can do all this later but if you have time now and don't mind trying that's helpful. no problems if not
[17:38] <elopio> bfiller: I'm on it.
[17:39] <bfiller> elopio: thanks
[17:42] <elopio> bfiller: the only new thing I see on this new log is
[17:42] <elopio> WARNING: file:///usr/share/maliit/plugins/com/ubuntu/keys/Magnifier.qml:50:5: QML BorderImage: Possible anchor loop detected on centerIn.
[17:42] <elopio> WARNING: file:///usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/Icon10.qml:34:5: QML Image: Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/../images/icon_shift@18.png
[17:42] <elopio> let me see with your second method.
[17:49] <t1mp> argh
[17:49] <t1mp> elopio: which uitk version do you have?
[17:50] <t1mp> elopio: there was a bug with that error: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1371509
[17:51] <t1mp> uhm
[17:51] <t1mp>  QML Image: Failed to get
[17:51] <t1mp>                    image from provider: image://theme/../images/icon_shift@18.png
[17:51] <t1mp> uhm
[17:51] <elopio> t1mp: this is latest utopic proposed on mako.
[17:51] <t1mp> is iconName: "../images/icon_shift@18.png" being used instead of iconSource?
[17:51] <elopio> 1.1.1262+14.10.20140922.2-0ubuntu1 0
[17:52] <t1mp> image://theme/ is prefixed internally if iconName is used, not for urls (iconSource)
[17:52] <taiebot> I guys i still cannot receive text message from my girlfriend. Is there a limit of messages that i am allowed to store on the phone?  In the mean time i am downgrading to see if it is happening on 260.  I have been using UT as my main phone for over a year now and my inbox could be full ?
[17:52] <gcollura> sergiusens, out of source dir build seems to work now, I'll do some further tests and ask a MR if necessary
[17:53] <gcollura> popey, I don't use qtc as IDE, that's why I find click-buddy useful :)
[17:56] <dobey> taiebot: well, the limit is "until your disk is full" afaik
[17:56] <cwayne> gcollura: how'd you get out of source dir build working?
[17:56] <dobey> taiebot: is your disk full?
[17:56]  * t1mp off
[17:57] <taiebot> dobey: no not at all. 7.1G free
[17:58] <dobey> taiebot: i doubt that's the issue then, but you can of course delete some old messages and see.
[17:59] <gcollura> cwayne, I removed the cd "$SOURCE" and added $SOURCE in click chroot run cmake
[17:59] <gcollura> it *seems* to work
[17:59] <taiebot> dobey: downgrading to r260 will see if i get the 6 or seven messages that she sent me in the last two days.
[18:00] <gcollura> as I said it need further testing, so far I've successfully compiled an app and installed in on my device (ofc it works as expected)
[18:00] <gcollura> it*
[18:02] <elopio> bfiller: no more information exporting the var.
[18:04] <bfiller> elopio: ah I know why, gave you the wrong instructions
[18:05] <bfiller> elopio: 1) reboot so the wizard appears 2) before maliit-server is started do this from a terminal a) ulimit -c unlimited b) export MALIIT_DEBUG=true c) manually run maliit-server by typing "maliit-server"
[18:08] <elopio> bfiller: something's wrong with that too: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8480735/
[18:09] <elopio> I did get the core file from the previous run.
[18:09] <elopio> should I upload that to the bug?
[18:09] <bfiller> elopio: hmn, is the wizard up at this point?
[18:09] <elopio> bfiller: it is, on the welcome screen.
[18:09] <cwayne> click-review seems broken..
[18:09] <bfiller> elopio: ok maybe this method won't work because the shell is not actually started
[18:10] <bfiller> elopio: yes please upload the previous core file to the bug and I'll have to dig deeper
[18:26] <nhaines> Hey, does the core music app keep running in the background?  I thought it was being converted to media-hub and the subject to the lifecycle management.
[18:28] <ahayzen> nhaines, we use media-hub to keep running the music
[18:29] <ahayzen> nhaines, however we have a lifecycle exception which means that the app keeps running so it can calculate the next track when needed
[18:29] <ahayzen> nhaines, the long term goal is to get rid of that
[18:30] <nhaines> ahayzen: thanks.  I thought it'd already been accomplished.  I guess there were queuing problems?  :)
[18:30] <ahayzen> nhaines, we need background-playlists support in media-hub to totally remove the lifecycle exception
[18:30] <ahayzen> nhaines, otherwise everything else is sorted
[18:33] <nhaines> That's what I meant.
[18:34] <nhaines> Haven't tried it extensively in 14.09/r2, but liked what I saw.
[18:59] <kenvandine> seb128, it's remarkably difficult to use my phone in french... much easier using pt_BR :)
[19:00] <seb128> kenvandine, c'est faux !
[19:01] <mardy> dobey, cwayne: yes (to both your questions :-) )
[19:03] <taiebot> I have downgraded. I am only receiving texts from myself. I think its time to say goodbye to my phone provider.
[19:04] <cwayne> mardy: i don't remember what my question was :)
[19:10] <mardy> 17:58 < cwayne> mardy: right, so for the 'real' fix, I guess i'd need the go bindings to do the right thing now...
[19:15] <cwayne> ah, okay :)
[19:18] <vitimiti> Hi
[19:25] <ted> mterry, I wasn't detecting locked, I thought that's what the messages setting was for. i.e. you want data on the greeter or not.
[19:26] <ted> mterry, So it could be locked and you could still reply if you so wanted.
[19:26] <dobey> taiebot: are you in the US?
[19:26] <mterry> ted, I figured that swipe setting means that phone_greeter mode is same as phone.  Locked settings means they are different but you could expose different things based on those settings.  But maybe design should confirm thtat
[19:28] <ted> mterry, Hmm, okay. I explained it in the indicators call today and no one in design corrected me :-)
[19:28] <ted> mterry, That's agreeing, right? ;-)
[19:28] <taiebot> dobey: no i am in the UK
[19:29] <mterry> ted, heh, OK. It's all easy enough to change if they complain.  I'm still trying to get the switching-profile experience to be seamless -- it is currently taking a couple seconds to repopulate menu content and I'm trying to figure out where that is happening so I can cache old content.  The u8 code is all models wrapped in models
[19:30] <taiebot> dobey: i think its my phone provider i tested with two different phones on different network. I think i can receive text from myself because it is on the same network.
[19:30] <dobey> taiebot: ah ok. i don't know what to suggest for a provider over there
[19:30] <dobey> maybe orange?
[19:31] <ted> mterry, Cool, besides reviews I think my branches are ready. Got the system settings patch in there too.
[19:31] <vitimiti> I had Orange and my phone periodically turned off by itself. As soon as I changed that stopped happening. Now my mother is using it and her phones turns off. Not suggesting anything
[19:31] <dobey> and not sure if any of the other brits are still around
[19:31] <vitimiti> her phone*
[19:32] <mterry> ted, is that indicator-transfer typo fixed?  :)
[19:36] <ted> mterry, In that silo, yes.
[19:36] <NikTh> Hello everyone
[19:36] <mterry> ted, yay  :)  it's an eyesore while testing  :)
[19:37] <mterry> ted, sorry my side is taking so long -- I didn't plan on this work, I thought u8 was done for you
[19:37] <ted> mterry, Heh
[19:37] <NikTh> What is the procedure for someone to follow in order to produce a layout for the Ubuntu Touch keyboard ?
[19:37] <NikTh> From where someone can begin ? I'm asking for an idea, a link, something ?
[19:37] <ted> mterry, Sorry about that, I thought we were thinking the same way about it.
[19:37] <NikTh> el_GR layout is missing and some of our members at Greek Ubuntu community are interested to help. Thanks
[19:37] <mterry> ted, yeah no worries just crossed wires
[19:42] <dobey> NikTh: lp:ubuntu-keyboard is the source and where the layouts are. see under plugins/ there
[19:43] <NikTh> dobey: Great. Thanks for guidance.
[19:45] <nhaines> Terminal needs a hacker keyboard layout.  :)
[19:46] <NikTh> dobey: I think I've found it http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/ubuntu-keyboard/trunk/files/head:/plugins/ :-)
[19:51] <dobey> NikTh: yes
[19:51] <dobey> nhaines: phones need built-in Happy Hacker kebyoards.
[19:51] <nhaines> dobey: I agree.  :)
[19:52] <dobey> also am disappointed that apparently nobody makes a usb thumb keyboard for the N5
[19:52] <dobey> or apparently any other phones any more
[19:53] <nhaines> T-Mobile G1 had the best keyboard ever.  The HTC G2's wasn't as nice.  And that was the end of that.
[19:55] <dobey> nah
[19:55] <dobey> Prē did ;)
[20:00] <gcollura> what's the command to start apps from the terminal?
[20:01] <dobey> gcollura: ubuntu-app-launch $packagename_$appname_$version
[20:01] <gcollura> thanks dobey
[20:04] <gcollura> dobey, do you know why icons are not loaded if the app has been launched with that command?
[20:09] <dobey> gcollura: on the launcher you mean? in unity8? probably a bug if so
[21:03] <Hardtail> Hi guys, my ASUS T100 just arrived in the mail. I am powering it up as we speak. It has Win8 on it, is it possible for me to load UBuntu?
[21:04] <nhaines> If it has Windows 8 and not Windows RT, and if it has a standard BIOS or UEFI, then you should be able to, if ASUS didn't restrict it.  You'll have to find that out from the manufacturer.
[21:06] <Hardtail> nhaines it has Windows 8.1 on it, can I get some of that information from the BIOS? Or do I actually have to contact ASUS?
[21:08] <nhaines> Hardtail: if it's just a PC, then it's just a PC.  Try to boot from a USB stick and see if it works.  :)
[21:08] <Hardtail> nhaines, ok thanks mate. I think it is just a pc in tablet form :D thanks again!
[21:09] <nhaines> Yup, in that case enjoy.  :D
[21:09] <Hardtail> awesome :D
[21:30] <ted> rsalveti, So do you know how SilentMode is supposed to work?
[21:30] <ted> rsalveti, I see the setting, but it seems no one is listening to it?
[22:30] <nik90> jdstrand: hey, would it be possible to backport click-reviewers-tool with the fix to bug 1371180 to trusty pls
[22:33] <iorweth> Hi, is it possible to connect to wifi-networks with PEAP encryption?
[23:15] <kurt_> when i add a cpp to my project why does it not show up in the file tree......does my app see it during the build?
[23:35] <kurt_> i have my phone in developer mode and the sdk sees it but says there is no network connection, even with a working sim card in and wifi connection.
[23:57] <nith1210> Today's update fixed orientation switching for me. It'd be nice if dragging the background of the pull down menu (when not corresponding with an item) would allow one to pull it back up again.
[23:58] <nith1210> You can open "transfers" for example, really easily with a small finger motion but closing it requires a much larger physical action even if there is no info in that unity pull down area