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| MartijnVdS | popey: I guess you're on utopic ;) | 06:38 |
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| MartijnVdS | popey: do you see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcr/+bug/1376571 ? | 06:38 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 1376571 in gcr (Ubuntu) "After login, gcr-prompter pops up several times in a row, never accepting my passwords" [Undecided,New] | 06:38 |
| popey | yes | 06:40 |
| popey | i only see one prompt | 06:40 |
| MartijnVdS | I see one at a time | 06:44 |
| MartijnVdS | but I get several in a row | 06:44 |
| zmoylan-pi | .w6 | 07:53 |
| Myrtti | is there a command in 12.04 that I can use to log out of the session and get to the lightdm login screen? | 07:56 |
| zmoylan-pi | is the lightdm not an option at default login screen? | 07:56 |
| Myrtti | not a keyboard shortcut - magic sysrq doesn't work on this laptop | 07:57 |
| Myrtti | zmoylan-pi: the problem is that I can move the cursor but I can't select anything | 07:57 |
| zmoylan-pi | i usually have 2-3 wm installed and they're on a drop down list | 07:57 |
| Myrtti | I'm in this Unity session and thought just logging out and back in would help, but I can't figure out how to do that | 07:57 |
| MartijnVdS | ctrl+alt+f1, kill the main session process, profit/ | 07:58 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 07:59 |
| Myrtti | >___< can't click any links in my browser | 07:59 |
| Myrtti | ah, pressing control reveals that Unity thinks the cursor is somewhere it's not | 08:02 |
| Myrtti | chrissake | 08:04 |
| Myrtti | sudo service lightdm restart | 08:10 |
| Myrtti | there we go... | 08:10 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: what did you do | 08:11 |
| Myrtti | I've no idea. | 08:12 |
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| foobarry | oh dear, stephen fry being silly again | 08:21 |
| zmoylan-pi | instructing the masses to worship steve jobs? | 08:21 |
| davmor2 | Todays song is Emili Sande Read All About It part III for some reason | 08:22 |
| foobarry | claiming that his cocaine addiction affected nobody but himself | 08:22 |
| davmor2 | where is slacker boy Tait with what day it is. | 08:22 |
| zmoylan-pi | him blowing his money, true. but also financing criminals so does affect others | 08:24 |
| foobarry | big time | 08:25 |
| foobarry | anyway, | 08:25 |
| foobarry | does wake on lan get configged in teh bios or the settign is enabled via a driver? | 08:25 |
| zmoylan-pi | i seem to remember that wake on lan was mentioned in bios | 08:26 |
| zmoylan-pi | never used it mind | 08:26 |
| popey | bios | 08:28 |
| zmoylan-pi | and it's about time. http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/oct/02/printers-refillable-tanks-revolution-home-printing | 08:32 |
| zmoylan-pi | of course it would be a few weeks after i bought a new printer :-) | 08:33 |
| Myrtti | we'll get our ink from PC world this time | 08:34 |
| Myrtti | did a search on Amazon for a laserjet toner and I decided that I'm not willing to bet my wedding information leaflets on cheap toner that might break the MFP we're really fond of | 08:35 |
| zmoylan-pi | well lasers are cheaper than inkjets anyway | 08:35 |
| Myrtti | tesco direct came to mind because we have vouchers we never use, but the price difference was about 30 pounds | 08:36 |
| zmoylan-pi | that's a whole rasp pi :-) | 08:36 |
| Myrtti | zmoylan-pi: it's not that far off in the lower end off the things, that printer was 150-200 and Samsung lists the replacement toner at 125 | 08:36 |
| Myrtti | cheapest non-brand ones were about 12 pounds, but as I said, not taking the risk this time | 08:37 |
| zmoylan-pi | flip, my new brother was €80 and a toner is €40 | 08:37 |
| foobarry | popey: looking in some threads it seems some drivers have additional settings to turn it on , on the pcie card | 08:37 |
| zmoylan-pi | some of the inkjets i looked at had cartridges near the price of that toner and did far fewer pages | 08:38 |
| zmoylan-pi | if it's an add in ethernet then i suspect the wake on lan might have to be on the driver | 08:38 |
| Myrtti | zmoylan-pi: http://img1.digitalversus.com/produits/36/4947/36_4947_2.jpg ♥ | 08:39 |
| Myrtti | (Samsung SCX-4500W) | 08:40 |
| zmoylan-pi | my -pony-little workhorse :-) http://support.brother.com/g/b/producttop.aspx?c=gb&lang=en&prod=hl2135w_us_eu_as | 08:40 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: I have the older laser jet clp300 I love it | 08:41 |
| Myrtti | yeah, we needed a scanner too, hence MFP | 08:41 |
| zmoylan-pi | i just use camera phone as scanner. use a wooden bracket affixed to table with platform at fixed distance below | 08:42 |
| zmoylan-pi | since cameras got to 2mp they take a readable photo of a a4 page and the more mp after that the better it gets | 08:43 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: yeah the do that in their newer laser printers too now \o/ | 08:43 |
| popey | Wifeys laptop broke yesterday | 08:44 |
| popey | hard disk corruption | 08:44 |
| zmoylan-pi | laptop not broke, merely wonky | 08:45 |
| popey | well "broke" | 08:45 |
| zmoylan-pi | can be dewonked :-p | 08:45 |
| popey | yes, but do i want to. | 08:45 |
| popey | or just get a new one and do this later | 08:45 |
| zmoylan-pi | windows? | 08:45 |
| popey | osx | 08:45 |
| zmoylan-pi | ah it's iffy. macs tend to go corrupt as they age and some tiny hardware thing becomes an issue | 08:46 |
| zmoylan-pi | you have to know the correct technical terms :-) | 08:46 |
| popey | tempted to get her a chromebook | 08:47 |
| zmoylan-pi | they do look tempting | 08:47 |
| zmoylan-pi | cheap, near disposable, automatically backed up, low maintenance, does the basics | 08:47 |
| zmoylan-pi | apart from having to use chrome ::spit:: | 08:48 |
| zmoylan-pi | but slap cruton on there... | 08:48 |
| popey | would use chromeos if it was a chromebook | 08:49 |
| popey | or get a pc laptop and put ubuntu on it (I'm not supporting windows) | 08:49 |
| popey | or spend loads and get a mac | 08:49 |
| zmoylan-pi | apart from paying windows tax which chromeos avoids | 08:49 |
| popey | meh | 08:49 |
| zmoylan-pi | macs do tend to last even if i do feel they are overpriced | 08:50 |
| dwatkins | Windows 10 - keeping up with the Jobs's | 08:50 |
| popey | yeah, her mbp has lasted a good few years | 08:50 |
| popey | it all went downhill when i upgraded osx | 08:50 |
| zmoylan-pi | because too many apps check to see if they | 08:50 |
| popey | should put back on it what it came with | 08:50 |
| zmoylan-pi | 're running on windows 9* | 08:51 |
| popey | and stick an ssd in it | 08:51 |
| dwatkins | I already need to upgrade my phone to iOS 8.0.1 for some apps. | 08:51 |
| Laney | still using my mid 2010 mbp (with replaced ssd) | 08:51 |
| dwatkins | Laney: same here on both counts | 08:51 |
| Laney | high five | 08:51 |
| zmoylan-pi | my main system is a 4 year old netbook from hp, 1gb of ram, xubuntu runs ok on it | 08:51 |
| dwatkins | o/ | 08:52 |
| popey | i think partly the issue is that she drops it under the sofa | 08:52 |
| dwatkins | that reminds me, I booted up my netbook server yesterday | 08:52 |
| dwatkins | I hope the fan is ok now | 08:52 |
| Laney | ...netbook...server? | 08:52 |
| zmoylan-pi | then a lighter system might survive the abuse better ymmv | 08:52 |
| * dwatkins types "shotdown" by mistake | 08:53 | |
| dwatkins | Laney: yeah, it's just been replaced by a Raspberry Pi ;) | 08:53 |
| popey | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-CT256MX100SSD1-256GB-Includes-Spacer/dp/B00KFAGCWK | 08:54 |
| popey | thats probably the quick fix | 08:54 |
| * zmoylan-pi loves my pi | 08:54 | |
| popey | or buy myself a 512GB SSD and give her my 256GB one ㋛ | 08:54 |
| Laney | it's a good fix | 08:54 |
| zmoylan-pi | win win popey :-) | 08:54 |
| Laney | would have had to bin it without the SSD upgrade | 08:54 |
| popey | yes, this is a plan! | 08:55 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 08:55 |
| dwatkins | yeah, I pushed the boat out and got a 1TB SSD | 08:55 |
| dwatkins | should be good for a while | 08:55 |
| Laney | !!! | 08:55 |
| Laney | need one of those | 08:55 |
| popey | yeah | 08:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | i just don't trust sdd... yet. i'm paranoid about dataloss | 08:56 |
| popey | pffft | 08:56 |
| popey | backups | 08:56 |
| popey | i have had precisely zero SSDs fail | 08:56 |
| popey | and lots of rust fail | 08:56 |
| * zmoylan-pi waits for the gods of irony to smite popey ;-) | 08:56 | |
| zmoylan-pi | i'va had hdds fail all the time but i often got warning and enough time to make one last backup | 08:57 |
| zmoylan-pi | up to and including keeping a hdd under my jumper for 3 hours to warm it up to loosen the spindle which had seized | 08:58 |
| dwatkins | I've had two disks fail in my NAS, should have got disks which were designed for 24/7 operation (or sorted out the options to power them down sooner) | 08:58 |
| dwatkins | nowadays my NAS does stuff only a couple times a day, so it's less of a problem. | 08:59 |
| * directhex radically alters new PC spec | 09:01 | |
| popey | now, here's the rub. my laptop has 2xSSD, one is /, one is /home. The /home one is mini pcie. | 09:02 |
| popey | I am going to have to do some juggling here to copy /home to new SSD, move / to pcie card.. | 09:02 |
| popey | and to complicate things they're both luks encrypted | 09:02 |
| popey | probably easier to reinstall | 09:02 |
| popey | or.... i just get her a nice big SSD for her mac and dont steal the big one for me, causing more work for myself. | 09:03 |
| popey | or.... just get her a 256GB one | 09:03 |
| dwatkins | If only there was a command which did that, kind of like a TApe Archiving tool... | 09:06 |
| dwatkins | oops, Tape ARchiving... | 09:06 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy World Farm Animals Day! :-D | 09:09 |
| popey | i didnt say there weren't tools to do it | 09:09 |
| popey | more that it's a balls ache and time consuming to do it | 09:09 |
| davmor2 | popey: can't you just get a usb caddy and transfer over via that? | 09:10 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: you're late with your internet day, shame on you ;) | 09:10 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: You're just following up on yesterdays eat the vegetarians day aren't you ;) | 09:11 |
| JamesTait | I know, davmor2, I've been busy replying to the latest epic mailing list thread about mailing lists. :) | 09:11 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: did you say, we need a mailing list to discuss mailing list problems rather than filling the current mailing list | 09:12 |
| JamesTait | davmor2, actually, I replied to the offshoot from the mailing list thread, about document management. | 09:13 |
| JamesTait | I'm still formulating my reply to the mailing list thread - but I might include your suggestion. ;) | 09:14 |
| popey | davmor2: yes, thats not the issue, its time consuming faff | 09:18 |
| davmor2 | popey: can't you use fog or ghost or clonezilla? | 09:29 |
| popey | sure, again, the tools are not the problem | 09:29 |
| popey | anyone here not in the uk or usa? | 09:29 |
| davmor2 | popey: that shouldn't take as much time as dd for example | 09:29 |
| zmoylan-pi | o/ ireland | 09:29 |
| popey | zmoylan-pi: if you go to http://eventbrite.com/ do you get redirected to a local site like a .ie variant? | 09:30 |
| zmoylan-pi | .ie it is | 09:30 |
| popey | it redirects? | 09:30 |
| zmoylan-pi | from the link you sent to .ie variant | 09:30 |
| popey | ok, ta | 09:30 |
| popey | .co.ie, or just eventbrite.ie? | 09:31 |
| dwatkins | I'm in Scotland ;) | 09:33 |
| popey | denied! | 09:34 |
| zmoylan-pi | eventbrite.ie i don't think ireland was ever big enough to use a .co.ie | 09:34 |
| dwatkins | It's not how big your domain is, it's what you do with it... | 09:35 |
| awilkins | Yeah, Tuvalu has many more domains than it's size would otherwise suggest... | 09:37 |
| zmoylan-pi | made them rich enough to buy submarines for everyone in the country which will come in handy soon :-) | 09:37 |
| safiyyah | good morning everyone! I am trying to get ubuntu 14.04 installed. I have had to re-install 12.04 just to get the system running again so I could re-download 14.04. I burnt it onto a DVD (several in fact), and it refuses to mount. I also made a start up USB and it is also not booting# | 09:42 |
| SuperMatt | sounds like the iso you downloaded is corrupted | 09:43 |
| safiyyah | I do not know what to do now because I need a disk to install the thing, any ideas? | 09:43 |
| SuperMatt | but as you have 12.04 installed, you could just run update-manager -d | 09:43 |
| safiyyah | I have re-downloaded the iso about 5 times in total | 09:43 |
| safiyyah | and re-made the disks | 09:43 |
| popey | uh | 09:44 |
| popey | you dont need -d to go from 12.04 to 14.04 | 09:44 |
| davmor2 | SuperMatt: this is 12.04 to 14.04 the -d shouldn't be required | 09:44 |
| popey | !upgrade | 09:44 |
| lubotu3 | For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade | 09:44 |
| SuperMatt | popey: I had no idea | 09:44 |
| safiyyah | I actually cannot get the DVD to mount at all once it is burnt. EVEN in the 12.04 system. I googled how to mount the drive and nothing is working | 09:45 |
| SuperMatt | oh wait | 09:45 |
| SuperMatt | I think I did know that | 09:45 |
| SuperMatt | maybe I'm just silly | 09:45 |
| popey | hehe | 09:46 |
| safiyyah | should I ask the software centre to get update and upgrade via there? | 09:47 |
| safiyyah | I always do a clean install because am scared of glitches but I really do not know what to do now | 09:47 |
| davmor2 | safiyyah: no look at the link above | 09:47 |
| SuperMatt | so, who wants to play some cs:go or borderlands today? | 09:48 |
| davmor2 | popey: that first link is incorrect I think | 09:49 |
| safiyyah | according to the link for upgrade notes I seem to be in the wrong distro and 12.04 to 14.04 seems like a huge jump? | 09:49 |
| davmor2 | popey: doesn't lost 12.04-14.04 unless I'm looking at it incorrectly | 09:50 |
| davmor2 | safiyyah: 12.04 is an lts, 14.04 is an lts they are designed to be upgraded to | 09:50 |
| safiyyah | davmor2, why then is the USB stick not being picked up? | 09:51 |
| safiyyah | I will be back. Will upgrade via the software centre first | 09:52 |
| davmor2 | safiyyah: you don't upgrade via software-center | 09:52 |
| davmor2 | safiyyah: you upgrade via software updater | 09:52 |
| safiyyah | davmor2, yes sorry I mean software updater | 09:53 |
| safiyyah | be back, let's see how that goes | 09:53 |
| vad3rman1156 | anyone read the new copyright law? | 10:36 |
| zmoylan-pi | what's ours is ours and what's yours is ours too? :-) | 10:37 |
| vad3rman1156 | lol | 10:38 |
| zmoylan-pi | it's just that any copyright law now might be nullified by the super secret copyright thing they've been hatching for the past few years | 10:39 |
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| arsenip | i take back everything i said yesterday, here i am installing ubuntu server in 'the enterprise' :D | 10:45 |
| Laney | starship? | 10:47 |
| Laney | I thought they were a CentOS shop | 10:47 |
| zmoylan-pi | i thought they'd run on dos | 10:51 |
| * brobostigon laughs quietly. | 10:57 | |
| Azelphur | I think I beat uplink now >.< https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Oct/2014-10-02-115649_750x898_scrot.png | 10:58 |
| zmoylan-pi | when we started to make a pos system in 90s i wanted to use the russian dos that was used on satellites | 10:59 |
| awilkins | That would indeed, be a POS | 11:01 |
| zmoylan-pi | solid as a rock, you don't install ms on expensive satellites :-) | 11:03 |
| zmoylan-pi | in the end we used dr-dos instead | 11:04 |
| safiyyah | okay am back, i am re-downloading 14.04 hoefully it will be a success now | 11:10 |
| safiyyah | can someone tell me where my dvd drive is? http://paste.ubuntu.com/8478549/ | 11:13 |
| safiyyah | davmor2, popey | 11:14 |
| safiyyah | is anyone here? | 11:14 |
| awilkins | Your drive is probably /dev/dvd | 11:14 |
| awilkins | Or /dev/cdrom | 11:14 |
| awilkins | Mount will only list file systems that are mounted, not drives | 11:15 |
| awilkins | So if there's no media with a valid, mounted, file system in the drive, it won't show up there | 11:15 |
| awilkins | On my system my DVD drive is /dev/sr0 | 11:16 |
| awilkins | And /dev/cdrom is a link to that | 11:16 |
| safiyyah | am trying to see the data on the dvd thAat i burned on the iso | 11:16 |
| safiyyah | sine all 3 disks don't boot up | 11:17 |
| awilkins | Ok... | 11:17 |
| awilkins | Did you check the hash of the file | 11:17 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: I'm sure I remember your nick from somewhere :) | 11:18 |
| awilkins | (Apologies if someone already asked this with you) | 11:18 |
| safiyyah | dev/sr0 hangs the terminal and it isnt the dev/cdrom | 11:19 |
| safiyyah | Azelphur, YES! long time no see, I used to come in here alot | 11:19 |
| Azelphur | :) | 11:19 |
| safiyyah | got busy working , so not in here much anymore, having upgrade issues :( | 11:19 |
| safiyyah | awilkins am sorry I do not know what 'the hash of the file' means | 11:20 |
| awilkins | safiyyah, OK, so I mean running the file though a cryptographic hash util to check it's integrity | 11:21 |
| diplo | Can you use the Optical drive for anything else ? IE is it even being detected by the OS ( don't want to read through everything ) | 11:21 |
| diplo | Not sure if this is the correct way, but cat /proc/scsi/scsi displays mine | 11:22 |
| awilkins | safiyyah, On the download page at http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ , there is a file called SHA1SUMS | 11:22 |
| awilkins | If you open a terminal, and run `sha1sum <the iso file>`, you get a value that should match the corresponding line in SHA1SUMS | 11:23 |
| awilkins | If they don't match, your file is corrupted | 11:23 |
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| safiyyah | awalkins the terminal just hangs | 12:05 |
| safiyyah | awilkins, | 12:05 |
| safiyyah | http://paste.ubuntu.com/8478774/ | 12:06 |
| safiyyah | perhaps I entered it wrong | 12:06 |
| popey | whats with the arrows? | 12:08 |
| popey | sha1sum /home/Downloads/ubuntu-14.04.1-destop-i386.iso | 12:09 |
| popey | assuming thats the iso filename | 12:09 |
| awilkins | Yeah, when I wrote <the iso file> I mean replace the whole lot (including chevrons) | 12:14 |
| awilkins | And without the backticks too | 12:14 |
| awilkins | (seriously, one thing I want to see on stackoverload / askubuntu is a wiki markup for annotating command lines) | 12:15 |
| awilkins | So you can have pretty labels annotating bits of the command explaining what it does | 12:15 |
| safiyyah | popey. awilkins - http://paste.ubuntu.com/8478989/ | 12:56 |
| safiyyah | Is that what was supposed to happen? | 12:56 |
| safiyyah | Sorry I am also working at the same time | 12:56 |
| popey | looks good | 12:56 |
| safiyyah | so I am having interruptions | 12:56 |
| awilkins | safiyyah, Yes, if you check that against : http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/SHA1SUMS | 12:57 |
| awilkins | (Sure you want the i386 image? It's a 32-bit machine?) | 12:57 |
| safiyyah | awilkins, I installed 64 bit years ago and I found I had to configure everything | 13:00 |
| safiyyah | couldn't get skyoe working. Need skype for work! | 13:00 |
| awilkins | safiyyah, It's very much less configure-y now. Skype works fine for me... I did have to install a 32-bit version of Firefox and Java to get WebEx working fully though. | 13:00 |
| Myrtti | I've used 64-bit for yonks and it works just fine. | 13:01 |
| safiyyah | popey, There is a fact I forgot to mention, whenver am burning the disk. It finishes burning then never finishes creating the checksum | 13:01 |
| awilkins | But that's unrelated to your problems with getting your CDs to boot | 13:01 |
| awilkins | safiyyah, Have you tried USB? | 13:01 |
| safiyyah | That may be why I had botched disks? | 13:01 |
| safiyyah | awilkins, made the USB several times it is not being picked up on boot | 13:02 |
| safiyyah | I have already told the bios to boot up from 'other' first | 13:02 |
| awilkins | safiyyah, This is likely more to do with your BIOS settings | 13:02 |
| awilkins | Does your BIOS have a hotkey for "Choose boot device" ? | 13:02 |
| safiyyah | no I go in and tell it the boot order | 13:02 |
| awilkins | e.g. mine invites you to bang F12 to pick a boot device for one-time use | 13:02 |
| safiyyah | oh cool, will check if it has that | 13:03 |
| awilkins | What are your choices? | 13:03 |
| awilkins | Burning a disk or using the USB creator should just work | 13:03 |
| awilkins | THey both produce a bootable disk | 13:03 |
| safiyyah | my choices are the one of the HDD's, atapi CD drive and other | 13:03 |
| zmoylan-pi | and is it or has it ever been a windows 8 uefi device? :-) | 13:04 |
| awilkins | Hmm, yes | 13:04 |
| awilkins | If you have UEFI, do you have Secure Boot enabled? | 13:04 |
| * awilkins has not had to contend with this personally as yet | 13:04 | |
| zmoylan-pi | lucky | 13:05 |
| directhex | totally looking forward to moving to UEFI on my new PC | 13:05 |
| awilkins | My motherboard has some kind of EFI but I'm just booting normally | 13:05 |
| directhex | everything about BIOS is terrible | 13:06 |
| awilkins | BIOS is terrible, but UEFI is worse | 13:06 |
| directhex | it really isn't | 13:06 |
| awilkins | But prettier | 13:06 |
| safiyyah | okay getting interrupted again | 13:06 |
| directhex | for most people, it's just different/new | 13:06 |
| safiyyah | am going to leave the download for the 64 bit running | 13:06 |
| directhex | safiyyah: do you know what the motherboard in the system is? | 13:06 |
| safiyyah | I have an Asus | 13:06 |
| directhex | roughly from when? | 13:07 |
| safiyyah | one of you guys told me to buy it last time my motherboard died... good call whoever that was | 13:07 |
| safiyyah | this one has lasted | 13:07 |
| awilkins | Hah, I usually sing ASUS praises | 13:07 |
| awilkins | I got an Abit once | 13:08 |
| awilkins | Never again! | 13:08 |
| safiyyah | it's an ASUS P5KPL-AM EPU motherboard | 13:08 |
| directhex | abit went bust a decade ago | 13:08 |
| awilkins | Presumably because they were rubbish | 13:08 |
| safiyyah | well one of you told me to use ASUS motherboards after my old gigabyte died and I think this will be my brand of choice for now | 13:09 |
| directhex | okay, that's BIOS not UEFI, so ignore UEFI comments | 13:09 |
| safiyyah | I don't know what UEFI is, only BIOS (sorry) | 13:10 |
| directhex | BIOS is how computers from the late 1970s boot. UEFI is how computers from the late 1990s boot. | 13:10 |
| directhex | almost all motherboards which mention windows 8 on the box are UEFI, windows 7 or lower are BIOS | 13:10 |
| safiyyah | well my board is about 3 years old | 13:11 |
| directhex | everyone's taken a while to catch up. you're on BIOS (70s-style) | 13:11 |
| safiyyah | okay | 13:12 |
| safiyyah | right please explain why the iso image burn, gets stuck on checksum? | 13:12 |
| safiyyah | image checksum | 13:12 |
| safiyyah | never finishes even if you leave it for hours | 13:12 |
| safiyyah | should I try another burner am using brasero | 13:12 |
| MartijnVdS | maybe your drive is busted? | 13:12 |
| safiyyah | I can accept that | 13:13 |
| safiyyah | okay we go with the bootable USB,hope it works! | 13:14 |
| safiyyah | back to work. be back in an hour to finish this off | 13:14 |
| MartijnVdS | good luck | 13:14 |
| directhex | awilkins: bootable USB is one example of why UEFI is better ;) | 13:14 |
| awilkins | I think my current MOBO has some sort of UEFI but I'm not sure it has SecureBoot | 13:15 |
| MartijnVdS | but bios had bootable usb 8-) | 13:15 |
| MartijnVdS | (I know I know, mega-hacky) | 13:15 |
| directhex | booting from USB requires the same as booting from a hard disk: 448 bytes of 16-bit machine code, at the correct point in the first 512 bytes of the disk blocks | 13:16 |
| directhex | on BIOS | 13:16 |
| directhex | all BIOS booting is done by having a fully functional 16-bit 8088 implementation inside whatever modern 64-bit CPU you have | 13:17 |
| safiyyah | http://www.amazon.co.uk/DVD-RW-Drive-DRW-24F1ST-BLK-AS/dp/B00BZF31UU/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412255733&sr=1-3&keywords=cd+drive | 13:17 |
| safiyyah | is that a good one? | 13:17 |
| directhex | safiyyah: there's not much in it these days. only 2 or 3 companies actually manufacture them | 13:18 |
| safiyyah | lol | 13:18 |
| safiyyah | okay | 13:18 |
| Myrtti | you're not trying to do it to a RW disc, right? | 13:19 |
| awilkins | I don't really care anymore... used to think about buying Plextor drives and always settle for cheaper ones. But these days, I just don't care. | 13:20 |
| awilkins | I only use optical drives to rip CDs, install software. | 13:20 |
| awilkins | And very occasionally burn music for my daughter's dance classes. | 13:20 |
| directhex | USB booting for UEFI just involves the right file in the right place (/efi/boot/bootx64.efi) on a FAT formatted USB stick. so the imaging instructions are just "unzip" | 13:21 |
| safiyyah | Myrtti, no a DWD +R | 13:24 |
| safiyyah | DVD +R | 13:24 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: does UEFI support exFAT? | 13:26 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: isn't that what the magic UEFI Boot partition is written in? | 13:31 |
| MartijnVdS | davmor2: no that's normal FAT | 13:32 |
| MartijnVdS | exFAT is what large SD cards come formatted as | 13:32 |
| davmor2 | man why don't they just call it thin if it is ex-fat | 13:32 |
| awilkins | Short for extra-FAT (or extended FAT) | 13:33 |
| shauno | I think the magic partition is 'just' fat because everythign else is some variation of pain. but the bootloader from there can support whatever it likes (which is fun) | 13:33 |
| awilkins | Should call it PORKY | 13:33 |
| MartijnVdS | LEAN | 13:33 |
| safiyyah | went with the samsung since they will deliver it tomorrow http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-24x-Retail-SATA-Writer/dp/B00CC6YN6M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412256743&sr=8-1&keywords=dvd+drive | 13:36 |
| safiyyah | guess I will have to wait until tomorrow to burn the disk | 13:40 |
| safiyyah | :( | 13:40 |
| dutchie | hrm | 13:44 |
| dutchie | am i being dumb, or is there no obvious way to invoke bash interactively with arguments | 13:44 |
| dutchie | i.e. the equivalent of "python - a b c", which launches an interactive shell with sys.argv set to ["-", "a", "b", "c"] | 13:45 |
| dutchie | aha, -s | 13:54 |
| dutchie | ...or not | 13:57 |
| dutchie | oh right | 13:57 |
| dutchie | bash -s a b c | 13:57 |
| directhex | MartijnVdS: exfat isn't part of the UEFI spec at all | 14:23 |
| davmor2 | popey: can you make this the official oogcamp drinking song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzYof5GjhQ8 | 14:29 |
| popey | I'm tempted not to click that in case it's an earworm | 14:29 |
| davmor2 | popey: no it's a good one I promise, its the charlie mops beer song from the bard | 14:30 |
| popey | http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/dont_believe_you_anchorman.gif | 14:31 |
| davmor2 | popey: have you listened to it yet? | 15:42 |
| popey | nope ☻ | 15:42 |
| popey | too busy listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqZcYPEszN8 | 15:43 |
| davmor2 | popey: like it :) | 15:52 |
| diddledan | how stupid is this marketing? http://www.geforce.co.uk/whats-new/articles/dynamic-super-resolution-instantly-improves-your-games-with-4k-quality-graphics | 17:25 |
| zmoylan-pi | if people are dumb enough to buy it and believe it... | 17:27 |
| daftykins | it does actually improve image quality | 17:28 |
| daftykins | but yeah claiming to make it 4K, lawl | 17:28 |
| zmoylan-pi | looks wonderful on my 14" screen :-) | 17:28 |
| shauno | just told the tv licence dude to go away :) now I have the sinking feeling I should look into how much power they think they have here | 17:37 |
| daftykins | heh | 17:40 |
| daftykins | do you use a TV? | 17:40 |
| daftykins | or rather, do you watch broadcast TV? :) | 17:41 |
| shauno | yup. and I have a licence for it. I just object to being asked to produce it. my 'filing system' is inefficient enough to make that an offensive waste of my time | 17:41 |
| shauno | if their computer can figure out how & when to send me reminders, it can also figure out how & when not to send people to my door | 17:42 |
| diddledan | don't they have some sort of databasey thing? | 17:42 |
| intrbiz | shauno: your under no obligation to let them into your property | 17:42 |
| mia__ | does anyone know what I need to do to update my Ubuntu install to the latest I tried the information on the website but my version number is stuck on 13.10 | 17:46 |
| mia__ | I'm running it now | 17:46 |
| daftykins | run do-release-upgrade | 17:46 |
| mia__ | apt-get? | 17:47 |
| daftykins | no | 17:47 |
| mia__ | thanks | 17:47 |
| daftykins | "do-release-upgrade" | 17:47 |
| mia__ | I forgot the release bit | 17:47 |
| mia__ | Error during update | 17:51 |
| mia__ | A problem occurred during the update. This is usually some sort of | 17:51 |
| mia__ | network problem, please check your network connection and retry. | 17:51 |
| mia__ | W:Failed to fetch | 17:51 |
| mia__ | http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/source/Sources 404 | 17:51 |
| mia__ | this keeps on happeneing | 17:52 |
| mia__ | I might not have the extra's repository in my software sources | 17:52 |
| mia__ | does anyone know how to get it back | 17:52 |
| daftykins | you should paste output to us via http://paste.ubuntu.com | 17:52 |
| daftykins | never paste to IRC directly, it's annoying | 17:53 |
| mia__ | I'm sorry | 17:53 |
| mia__ | newbie | 17:53 |
| mia__ | I'm not used to IRC | 17:53 |
| daftykins | ok that's referring to raring which is 13.04, you said you have 13.10? | 17:53 |
| mia__ | yes | 17:53 |
| daftykins | run "cat /etc/issue" to confirm | 17:53 |
| daftykins | you can share the output of that here as it's only one line | 17:53 |
| mia__ | Ubuntu 13.10 \n \l | 17:54 |
| daftykins | that's a pretty confused state. hrmm | 17:55 |
| daftykins | well even if you updated that repo to saucy, i think those are gone now | 17:55 |
| mia__ | I think I accidently deleted the extras software source | 17:55 |
| daftykins | can you share your /etc/apt/sources.list via pastebin? | 17:56 |
| daftykins | also have a look what you have in /etc/apt/souces.list.d/ | 17:56 |
| mia__ | what am I looking for? | 17:56 |
| daftykins | anything pertaining to that extras PPA | 17:57 |
| diddledan | I don't think extras is a ppa | 17:58 |
| daftykins | well, just a sub type thing | 17:58 |
| daftykins | i knew what i meant :D | 17:58 |
| mia__ | is there a command to paste to pastebin? | 17:59 |
| daftykins | well i'd usually say to install pastebinit, but i suspect you can no longer install packages | 18:00 |
| mia__ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/8480692/ | 18:02 |
| mia__ | ok | 18:04 |
| mia__ | thanks daftykins for helping out | 18:05 |
| daftykins | mia__: have you resolved it yourself, or? | 18:07 |
| mia__ | no just pleased | 18:07 |
| daftykins | heh | 18:07 |
| daftykins | were you online the last couple of days? i thought i saw your nickname before | 18:07 |
| mia__ | maybe I don't think it's registered | 18:08 |
| mia__ | it might be someone else | 18:08 |
| daftykins | mia__: so you can see on line 44 is the problem referring to raring, i'd usually say make a backup but you can remember the simple change made here | 18:08 |
| mia__ | I'm at a hackspace | 18:08 |
| mia__ | learning the ropes | 18:08 |
| mia__ | ok | 18:08 |
| mia__ | I can do that | 18:08 |
| daftykins | oh some kind of event | 18:08 |
| mia__ | no i'm a member | 18:08 |
| daftykins | mia__: i would replace 'raring' in line 44 with 'saucy' then save, and run "sudo apt-get update" again and check or errors (you could pastebin the output of that command too) | 18:09 |
| mia__ | ok will do | 18:09 |
| daftykins | *for errors | 18:09 |
| daftykins | sorry my 'f' key is on the way out =| | 18:09 |
| * diddledan takes daftykins's f-key out on a date | 18:10 | |
| daftykins | :D | 18:10 |
| zmoylan-pi | that can be really ecking annoying | 18:10 |
| daftykins | diddledan: you best bring it back before curfew! | 18:10 |
| daftykins | yeah, what's worse is it's my das keyboard mechanical with blue cherry MX switches | 18:11 |
| daftykins | £££ to replace :( | 18:11 |
| zmoylan-pi | aren't they supposed to last forever? | 18:11 |
| zmoylan-pi | warranty? | 18:11 |
| daftykins | it's years old, way out of warranty | 18:11 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rpfqi4xz9nxgx5j/AACAxEkpRRGQQnM2Lruz1Sira?dl=0 | 18:12 |
| daftykins | took it apart for fun, kind of helped, more a placebo though | 18:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | not a lifetime warranty? some of the silly expensive hardware is a bit more flexible | 18:12 |
| daftykins | i'd not have a problem if it were :) | 18:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | did you injure a family member who wanted you to fix their windows vista laptop with the keyboard? :-) | 18:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | for that you need the ibm modem m :-D | 18:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | *model | 18:14 |
| daftykins | you wouldn't catch me with a keyboard without super. | 18:15 |
| daftykins | i couldn't survive | 18:15 |
| daftykins | mia__: how'd it go? | 18:15 |
| mia__ | it's running now | 18:17 |
| daftykins | the apt-get update or the do-release-upgrade ? | 18:17 |
| mia__ | apt-get update | 18:17 |
| mia__ | GPG error: http://extras.ubuntu.com saucy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 16126D3A3E5C1192 | 18:17 |
| daftykins | hmm that's not particularly a problem | 18:18 |
| mia__ | ok | 18:18 |
| mia__ | is that because I deleted the software source | 18:18 |
| daftykins | not really | 18:19 |
| mia__ | everything else is fine | 18:19 |
| daftykins | good stuff, try the do-release-upgrade again and see if it complains | 18:19 |
| mia__ | it seems to be running | 18:33 |
| mia__ | thanks daftykins | 18:34 |
| daftykins | no problem | 18:34 |
| diddledan | is "drupling" something undesirable? | 18:59 |
| diddledan | if so then I'm currently drupling :-p | 18:59 |
| diddledan | and answering a question in #wordpress :-/ | 19:00 |
| daftykins | O_O | 19:01 |
| zmoylan-pi | as long as you insist on using ie6 to view the result :-p | 19:02 |
| diddledan | oh god | 19:02 |
| diddledan | I think my boss has finally let IE6 go | 19:02 |
| zmoylan-pi | yeah i was just wondering what the state of the lightening conductor was around abouts :-) | 19:03 |
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| Azelphur | some girl just viewed my profile on okcupid, went to look at her profile, "I am looking for a man, who is willing to except me for who I am"...heheh, this goes on my list of most amusing spelling mistakes :P | 22:58 |
| ali1234 | technically that's a grammar mistake | 23:01 |
| Azelphur | true | 23:01 |
| Azelphur | amusingly I will except her for who she is...I don't think that's what she had in mind though ;) | 23:02 |
| Azelphur | sometimes I get tempted to message some of these profiles with a list of mistakes in their profiles | 23:02 |
| shauno | I graded a bosses email for spelling once. gave him a B-. from that, I can tell you it doesn't quite work out the way it did in your head | 23:04 |
| Azelphur | hahaha | 23:04 |
| daftykins | shauno: did you keep your job? :) | 23:09 |
| shauno | sure :) | 23:09 |
| Azelphur | I told my former boss to "repeat that in English" a few times :P | 23:10 |
| diddledan__ | just remember: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkje4FiH9Qc | 23:11 |
| diddledan__ | that's not a very good video tho | 23:11 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 23:16 |
| daftykins | i wish this channel had a URL snarfing bot ;) | 23:18 |
| diddledan__ | snarf! | 23:18 |
| diddledan__ | you want it to tell you ahead-of-time where you're going? | 23:18 |
| daftykins | yip | 23:18 |
| diddledan__ | gotcha | 23:18 |
| daftykins | prevents click regret :) | 23:19 |
| daftykins | https://i.imgur.com/NDXnJqe.jpg this amuses and horrifies at the same time | 23:20 |
| daftykins | no idea of context, but... it stands alone ok | 23:20 |
| diddledan__ | err | 23:21 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: could easily be done as a ZNC module | 23:21 |
| daftykins | that'd cause duplicates | 23:29 |
| diddledan__ | duplicates? | 23:35 |
| daftykins | i'm in channels where bots already grab the document title | 23:36 |
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