=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [06:38] popey: I guess you're on utopic ;) [06:38] popey: do you see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcr/+bug/1376571 ? [06:38] Launchpad bug 1376571 in gcr (Ubuntu) "After login, gcr-prompter pops up several times in a row, never accepting my passwords" [Undecided,New] [06:40] yes [06:40] i only see one prompt [06:44] I see one at a time [06:44] but I get several in a row [07:53] .w6 [07:56] is there a command in 12.04 that I can use to log out of the session and get to the lightdm login screen? [07:56] is the lightdm not an option at default login screen? [07:57] not a keyboard shortcut - magic sysrq doesn't work on this laptop [07:57] zmoylan-pi: the problem is that I can move the cursor but I can't select anything [07:57] i usually have 2-3 wm installed and they're on a drop down list [07:57] I'm in this Unity session and thought just logging out and back in would help, but I can't figure out how to do that [07:58] ctrl+alt+f1, kill the main session process, profit/ [07:59] Morning all [07:59] >___< can't click any links in my browser [08:02] ah, pressing control reveals that Unity thinks the cursor is somewhere it's not [08:04] chrissake [08:10] sudo service lightdm restart [08:10] there we go... [08:11] Myrtti: what did you do [08:12] I've no idea. === msm is now known as Guest8104 [08:21] oh dear, stephen fry being silly again [08:21] instructing the masses to worship steve jobs? [08:22] Todays song is Emili Sande Read All About It part III for some reason [08:22] claiming that his cocaine addiction affected nobody but himself [08:22] where is slacker boy Tait with what day it is. [08:24] him blowing his money, true. but also financing criminals so does affect others [08:25] big time [08:25] anyway, [08:25] does wake on lan get configged in teh bios or the settign is enabled via a driver? [08:26] i seem to remember that wake on lan was mentioned in bios [08:26] never used it mind [08:28] bios [08:32] and it's about time. http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/oct/02/printers-refillable-tanks-revolution-home-printing [08:33] of course it would be a few weeks after i bought a new printer :-) [08:34] we'll get our ink from PC world this time [08:35] did a search on Amazon for a laserjet toner and I decided that I'm not willing to bet my wedding information leaflets on cheap toner that might break the MFP we're really fond of [08:35] well lasers are cheaper than inkjets anyway [08:36] tesco direct came to mind because we have vouchers we never use, but the price difference was about 30 pounds [08:36] that's a whole rasp pi :-) [08:36] zmoylan-pi: it's not that far off in the lower end off the things, that printer was 150-200 and Samsung lists the replacement toner at 125 [08:37] cheapest non-brand ones were about 12 pounds, but as I said, not taking the risk this time [08:37] flip, my new brother was €80 and a toner is €40 [08:37] popey: looking in some threads it seems some drivers have additional settings to turn it on , on the pcie card [08:38] some of the inkjets i looked at had cartridges near the price of that toner and did far fewer pages [08:38] if it's an add in ethernet then i suspect the wake on lan might have to be on the driver [08:39] zmoylan-pi: http://img1.digitalversus.com/produits/36/4947/36_4947_2.jpg ♥ [08:40] (Samsung SCX-4500W) [08:40] my -pony-little workhorse :-) http://support.brother.com/g/b/producttop.aspx?c=gb&lang=en&prod=hl2135w_us_eu_as [08:41] Myrtti: I have the older laser jet clp300 I love it [08:41] yeah, we needed a scanner too, hence MFP [08:42] i just use camera phone as scanner. use a wooden bracket affixed to table with platform at fixed distance below [08:43] since cameras got to 2mp they take a readable photo of a a4 page and the more mp after that the better it gets [08:43] Myrtti: yeah the do that in their newer laser printers too now \o/ [08:44] Wifeys laptop broke yesterday [08:44] hard disk corruption [08:45] laptop not broke, merely wonky [08:45] well "broke" [08:45] can be dewonked :-p [08:45] yes, but do i want to. [08:45] or just get a new one and do this later [08:45] windows? [08:45] osx [08:46] ah it's iffy. macs tend to go corrupt as they age and some tiny hardware thing becomes an issue [08:46] you have to know the correct technical terms :-) [08:47] tempted to get her a chromebook [08:47] they do look tempting [08:47] cheap, near disposable, automatically backed up, low maintenance, does the basics [08:48] apart from having to use chrome ::spit:: [08:48] but slap cruton on there... [08:49] would use chromeos if it was a chromebook [08:49] or get a pc laptop and put ubuntu on it (I'm not supporting windows) [08:49] or spend loads and get a mac [08:49] apart from paying windows tax which chromeos avoids [08:49] meh [08:50] macs do tend to last even if i do feel they are overpriced [08:50] Windows 10 - keeping up with the Jobs's [08:50] yeah, her mbp has lasted a good few years [08:50] it all went downhill when i upgraded osx [08:50] because too many apps check to see if they [08:50] should put back on it what it came with [08:51] 're running on windows 9* [08:51] and stick an ssd in it [08:51] I already need to upgrade my phone to iOS 8.0.1 for some apps. [08:51] still using my mid 2010 mbp (with replaced ssd) [08:51] Laney: same here on both counts [08:51] high five [08:51] my main system is a 4 year old netbook from hp, 1gb of ram, xubuntu runs ok on it [08:52] o/ [08:52] i think partly the issue is that she drops it under the sofa [08:52] that reminds me, I booted up my netbook server yesterday [08:52] I hope the fan is ok now [08:52] ...netbook...server? [08:52] then a lighter system might survive the abuse better ymmv [08:53] * dwatkins types "shotdown" by mistake [08:53] Laney: yeah, it's just been replaced by a Raspberry Pi ;) [08:54] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-CT256MX100SSD1-256GB-Includes-Spacer/dp/B00KFAGCWK [08:54] thats probably the quick fix [08:54] * zmoylan-pi loves my pi [08:54] or buy myself a 512GB SSD and give her my 256GB one ㋛ [08:54] it's a good fix [08:54] win win popey :-) [08:54] would have had to bin it without the SSD upgrade [08:55] yes, this is a plan! [08:55] morning boys and girls. [08:55] yeah, I pushed the boat out and got a 1TB SSD [08:55] should be good for a while [08:55] !!! [08:55] need one of those [08:55] yeah [08:56] i just don't trust sdd... yet. i'm paranoid about dataloss [08:56] pffft [08:56] backups [08:56] i have had precisely zero SSDs fail [08:56] and lots of rust fail [08:56] * zmoylan-pi waits for the gods of irony to smite popey ;-) [08:57] i'va had hdds fail all the time but i often got warning and enough time to make one last backup [08:58] up to and including keeping a hdd under my jumper for 3 hours to warm it up to loosen the spindle which had seized [08:58] I've had two disks fail in my NAS, should have got disks which were designed for 24/7 operation (or sorted out the options to power them down sooner) [08:59] nowadays my NAS does stuff only a couple times a day, so it's less of a problem. [09:01] * directhex radically alters new PC spec [09:02] now, here's the rub. my laptop has 2xSSD, one is /, one is /home. The /home one is mini pcie. [09:02] I am going to have to do some juggling here to copy /home to new SSD, move / to pcie card.. [09:02] and to complicate things they're both luks encrypted [09:02] probably easier to reinstall [09:03] or.... i just get her a nice big SSD for her mac and dont steal the big one for me, causing more work for myself. [09:03] or.... just get her a 256GB one [09:06] If only there was a command which did that, kind of like a TApe Archiving tool... [09:06] oops, Tape ARchiving... [09:09] Good morning all; happy World Farm Animals Day! :-D [09:09] i didnt say there weren't tools to do it [09:09] more that it's a balls ache and time consuming to do it [09:10] popey: can't you just get a usb caddy and transfer over via that? [09:10] JamesTait: you're late with your internet day, shame on you ;) [09:11] JamesTait: You're just following up on yesterdays eat the vegetarians day aren't you ;) [09:11] I know, davmor2, I've been busy replying to the latest epic mailing list thread about mailing lists. :) [09:12] JamesTait: did you say, we need a mailing list to discuss mailing list problems rather than filling the current mailing list [09:13] davmor2, actually, I replied to the offshoot from the mailing list thread, about document management. [09:14] I'm still formulating my reply to the mailing list thread - but I might include your suggestion. ;) [09:18] davmor2: yes, thats not the issue, its time consuming faff [09:29] popey: can't you use fog or ghost or clonezilla? [09:29] sure, again, the tools are not the problem [09:29] anyone here not in the uk or usa? [09:29] popey: that shouldn't take as much time as dd for example [09:29] o/ ireland [09:30] zmoylan-pi: if you go to http://eventbrite.com/ do you get redirected to a local site like a .ie variant? [09:30] .ie it is [09:30] it redirects? [09:30] from the link you sent to .ie variant [09:30] ok, ta [09:31] .co.ie, or just eventbrite.ie? [09:33] I'm in Scotland ;) [09:34] denied! [09:34] eventbrite.ie i don't think ireland was ever big enough to use a .co.ie [09:35] It's not how big your domain is, it's what you do with it... [09:37] Yeah, Tuvalu has many more domains than it's size would otherwise suggest... [09:37] made them rich enough to buy submarines for everyone in the country which will come in handy soon :-) [09:42] good morning everyone! I am trying to get ubuntu 14.04 installed. I have had to re-install 12.04 just to get the system running again so I could re-download 14.04. I burnt it onto a DVD (several in fact), and it refuses to mount. I also made a start up USB and it is also not booting# [09:43] sounds like the iso you downloaded is corrupted [09:43] I do not know what to do now because I need a disk to install the thing, any ideas? [09:43] but as you have 12.04 installed, you could just run update-manager -d [09:43] I have re-downloaded the iso about 5 times in total [09:43] and re-made the disks [09:44] uh [09:44] you dont need -d to go from 12.04 to 14.04 [09:44] SuperMatt: this is 12.04 to 14.04 the -d shouldn't be required [09:44] !upgrade [09:44] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade [09:44] popey: I had no idea [09:45] I actually cannot get the DVD to mount at all once it is burnt. EVEN in the 12.04 system. I googled how to mount the drive and nothing is working [09:45] oh wait [09:45] I think I did know that [09:45] maybe I'm just silly [09:46] hehe [09:47] should I ask the software centre to get update and upgrade via there? [09:47] I always do a clean install because am scared of glitches but I really do not know what to do now [09:47] safiyyah: no look at the link above [09:48] so, who wants to play some cs:go or borderlands today? [09:49] popey: that first link is incorrect I think [09:49] according to the link for upgrade notes I seem to be in the wrong distro and 12.04 to 14.04 seems like a huge jump? [09:50] popey: doesn't lost 12.04-14.04 unless I'm looking at it incorrectly [09:50] safiyyah: 12.04 is an lts, 14.04 is an lts they are designed to be upgraded to [09:51] davmor2, why then is the USB stick not being picked up? [09:52] I will be back. Will upgrade via the software centre first [09:52] safiyyah: you don't upgrade via software-center [09:52] safiyyah: you upgrade via software updater [09:53] davmor2, yes sorry I mean software updater [09:53] be back, let's see how that goes [10:36] anyone read the new copyright law? [10:37] what's ours is ours and what's yours is ours too? :-) [10:38] lol [10:39] it's just that any copyright law now might be nullified by the super secret copyright thing they've been hatching for the past few years === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:45] i take back everything i said yesterday, here i am installing ubuntu server in 'the enterprise' :D [10:47] starship? [10:47] I thought they were a CentOS shop [10:51] i thought they'd run on dos [10:57] * brobostigon laughs quietly. [10:58] I think I beat uplink now >.< https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Oct/2014-10-02-115649_750x898_scrot.png [10:59] when we started to make a pos system in 90s i wanted to use the russian dos that was used on satellites [11:01] That would indeed, be a POS [11:03] solid as a rock, you don't install ms on expensive satellites :-) [11:04] in the end we used dr-dos instead [11:10] okay am back, i am re-downloading 14.04 hoefully it will be a success now [11:13] can someone tell me where my dvd drive is? http://paste.ubuntu.com/8478549/ [11:14] davmor2, popey [11:14] is anyone here? [11:14] Your drive is probably /dev/dvd [11:14] Or /dev/cdrom [11:15] Mount will only list file systems that are mounted, not drives [11:15] So if there's no media with a valid, mounted, file system in the drive, it won't show up there [11:16] On my system my DVD drive is /dev/sr0 [11:16] And /dev/cdrom is a link to that [11:16] am trying to see the data on the dvd thAat i burned on the iso [11:17] sine all 3 disks don't boot up [11:17] Ok... [11:17] Did you check the hash of the file [11:18] safiyyah: I'm sure I remember your nick from somewhere :) [11:18] (Apologies if someone already asked this with you) [11:19] dev/sr0 hangs the terminal and it isnt the dev/cdrom [11:19] Azelphur, YES! long time no see, I used to come in here alot [11:19] :) [11:19] got busy working , so not in here much anymore, having upgrade issues :( [11:20] awilkins am sorry I do not know what 'the hash of the file' means [11:21] safiyyah, OK, so I mean running the file though a cryptographic hash util to check it's integrity [11:21] Can you use the Optical drive for anything else ? IE is it even being detected by the OS ( don't want to read through everything ) [11:22] Not sure if this is the correct way, but cat /proc/scsi/scsi displays mine [11:22] safiyyah, On the download page at http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ , there is a file called SHA1SUMS [11:23] If you open a terminal, and run `sha1sum `, you get a value that should match the corresponding line in SHA1SUMS [11:23] If they don't match, your file is corrupted === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:05] awalkins the terminal just hangs [12:05] awilkins, [12:06] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8478774/ [12:06] perhaps I entered it wrong [12:08] whats with the arrows? [12:09] sha1sum /home/Downloads/ubuntu-14.04.1-destop-i386.iso [12:09] assuming thats the iso filename [12:14] Yeah, when I wrote I mean replace the whole lot (including chevrons) [12:14] And without the backticks too [12:15] (seriously, one thing I want to see on stackoverload / askubuntu is a wiki markup for annotating command lines) [12:15] So you can have pretty labels annotating bits of the command explaining what it does [12:56] popey. awilkins - http://paste.ubuntu.com/8478989/ [12:56] Is that what was supposed to happen? [12:56] Sorry I am also working at the same time [12:56] looks good [12:56] so I am having interruptions [12:57] safiyyah, Yes, if you check that against : http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/SHA1SUMS [12:57] (Sure you want the i386 image? It's a 32-bit machine?) [13:00] awilkins, I installed 64 bit years ago and I found I had to configure everything [13:00] couldn't get skyoe working. Need skype for work! [13:00] safiyyah, It's very much less configure-y now. Skype works fine for me... I did have to install a 32-bit version of Firefox and Java to get WebEx working fully though. [13:01] I've used 64-bit for yonks and it works just fine. [13:01] popey, There is a fact I forgot to mention, whenver am burning the disk. It finishes burning then never finishes creating the checksum [13:01] But that's unrelated to your problems with getting your CDs to boot [13:01] safiyyah, Have you tried USB? [13:01] That may be why I had botched disks? [13:02] awilkins, made the USB several times it is not being picked up on boot [13:02] I have already told the bios to boot up from 'other' first [13:02] safiyyah, This is likely more to do with your BIOS settings [13:02] Does your BIOS have a hotkey for "Choose boot device" ? [13:02] no I go in and tell it the boot order [13:02] e.g. mine invites you to bang F12 to pick a boot device for one-time use [13:03] oh cool, will check if it has that [13:03] What are your choices? [13:03] Burning a disk or using the USB creator should just work [13:03] THey both produce a bootable disk [13:03] my choices are the one of the HDD's, atapi CD drive and other [13:04] and is it or has it ever been a windows 8 uefi device? :-) [13:04] Hmm, yes [13:04] If you have UEFI, do you have Secure Boot enabled? [13:04] * awilkins has not had to contend with this personally as yet [13:05] lucky [13:05] totally looking forward to moving to UEFI on my new PC [13:05] My motherboard has some kind of EFI but I'm just booting normally [13:06] everything about BIOS is terrible [13:06] BIOS is terrible, but UEFI is worse [13:06] it really isn't [13:06] But prettier [13:06] okay getting interrupted again [13:06] for most people, it's just different/new [13:06] am going to leave the download for the 64 bit running [13:06] safiyyah: do you know what the motherboard in the system is? [13:06] I have an Asus [13:07] roughly from when? [13:07] one of you guys told me to buy it last time my motherboard died... good call whoever that was [13:07] this one has lasted [13:07] Hah, I usually sing ASUS praises [13:08] I got an Abit once [13:08] Never again! [13:08] it's an ASUS P5KPL-AM EPU motherboard [13:08] abit went bust a decade ago [13:08] Presumably because they were rubbish [13:09] well one of you told me to use ASUS motherboards after my old gigabyte died and I think this will be my brand of choice for now [13:09] okay, that's BIOS not UEFI, so ignore UEFI comments [13:10] I don't know what UEFI is, only BIOS (sorry) [13:10] BIOS is how computers from the late 1970s boot. UEFI is how computers from the late 1990s boot. [13:10] almost all motherboards which mention windows 8 on the box are UEFI, windows 7 or lower are BIOS [13:11] well my board is about 3 years old [13:11] everyone's taken a while to catch up. you're on BIOS (70s-style) [13:12] okay [13:12] right please explain why the iso image burn, gets stuck on checksum? [13:12] image checksum [13:12] never finishes even if you leave it for hours [13:12] should I try another burner am using brasero [13:12] maybe your drive is busted? [13:13] I can accept that [13:14] okay we go with the bootable USB,hope it works! [13:14] back to work. be back in an hour to finish this off [13:14] good luck [13:14] awilkins: bootable USB is one example of why UEFI is better ;) [13:15] I think my current MOBO has some sort of UEFI but I'm not sure it has SecureBoot [13:15] but bios had bootable usb 8-) [13:15] (I know I know, mega-hacky) [13:16] booting from USB requires the same as booting from a hard disk: 448 bytes of 16-bit machine code, at the correct point in the first 512 bytes of the disk blocks [13:16] on BIOS [13:17] all BIOS booting is done by having a fully functional 16-bit 8088 implementation inside whatever modern 64-bit CPU you have [13:17] http://www.amazon.co.uk/DVD-RW-Drive-DRW-24F1ST-BLK-AS/dp/B00BZF31UU/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412255733&sr=1-3&keywords=cd+drive [13:17] is that a good one? [13:18] safiyyah: there's not much in it these days. only 2 or 3 companies actually manufacture them [13:18] lol [13:18] okay [13:19] you're not trying to do it to a RW disc, right? [13:20] I don't really care anymore... used to think about buying Plextor drives and always settle for cheaper ones. But these days, I just don't care. [13:20] I only use optical drives to rip CDs, install software. [13:20] And very occasionally burn music for my daughter's dance classes. [13:21] USB booting for UEFI just involves the right file in the right place (/efi/boot/bootx64.efi) on a FAT formatted USB stick. so the imaging instructions are just "unzip" [13:24] Myrtti, no a DWD +R [13:24] DVD +R [13:26] directhex: does UEFI support exFAT? [13:31] MartijnVdS: isn't that what the magic UEFI Boot partition is written in? [13:32] davmor2: no that's normal FAT [13:32] exFAT is what large SD cards come formatted as [13:32] man why don't they just call it thin if it is ex-fat [13:33] Short for extra-FAT (or extended FAT) [13:33] I think the magic partition is 'just' fat because everythign else is some variation of pain. but the bootloader from there can support whatever it likes (which is fun) [13:33] Should call it PORKY [13:33] LEAN [13:36] went with the samsung since they will deliver it tomorrow http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-24x-Retail-SATA-Writer/dp/B00CC6YN6M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412256743&sr=8-1&keywords=dvd+drive [13:40] guess I will have to wait until tomorrow to burn the disk [13:40] :( [13:44] hrm [13:44] am i being dumb, or is there no obvious way to invoke bash interactively with arguments [13:45] i.e. the equivalent of "python - a b c", which launches an interactive shell with sys.argv set to ["-", "a", "b", "c"] [13:54] aha, -s [13:57] ...or not [13:57] oh right [13:57] bash -s a b c [14:23] MartijnVdS: exfat isn't part of the UEFI spec at all [14:29] popey: can you make this the official oogcamp drinking song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzYof5GjhQ8 [14:29] I'm tempted not to click that in case it's an earworm [14:30] popey: no it's a good one I promise, its the charlie mops beer song from the bard [14:31] http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/dont_believe_you_anchorman.gif [15:42] popey: have you listened to it yet? [15:42] nope ☻ [15:43] too busy listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqZcYPEszN8 [15:52] popey: like it :) [17:25] how stupid is this marketing? http://www.geforce.co.uk/whats-new/articles/dynamic-super-resolution-instantly-improves-your-games-with-4k-quality-graphics [17:27] if people are dumb enough to buy it and believe it... [17:28] it does actually improve image quality [17:28] but yeah claiming to make it 4K, lawl [17:28] looks wonderful on my 14" screen :-) [17:37] just told the tv licence dude to go away :) now I have the sinking feeling I should look into how much power they think they have here [17:40] heh [17:40] do you use a TV? [17:41] or rather, do you watch broadcast TV? :) [17:41] yup. and I have a licence for it. I just object to being asked to produce it. my 'filing system' is inefficient enough to make that an offensive waste of my time [17:42] if their computer can figure out how & when to send me reminders, it can also figure out how & when not to send people to my door [17:42] don't they have some sort of databasey thing? [17:42] shauno: your under no obligation to let them into your property [17:46] does anyone know what I need to do to update my Ubuntu install to the latest I tried the information on the website but my version number is stuck on 13.10 [17:46] I'm running it now [17:46] run do-release-upgrade [17:47] apt-get? [17:47] no [17:47] thanks [17:47] "do-release-upgrade" [17:47] I forgot the release bit [17:51] Error during update [17:51] A problem occurred during the update. This is usually some sort of [17:51] network problem, please check your network connection and retry. [17:51] W:Failed to fetch [17:51] http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/source/Sources 404 [17:52] this keeps on happeneing [17:52] I might not have the extra's repository in my software sources [17:52] does anyone know how to get it back [17:52] you should paste output to us via http://paste.ubuntu.com [17:53] never paste to IRC directly, it's annoying [17:53] I'm sorry [17:53] newbie [17:53] I'm not used to IRC [17:53] ok that's referring to raring which is 13.04, you said you have 13.10? [17:53] yes [17:53] run "cat /etc/issue" to confirm [17:53] you can share the output of that here as it's only one line [17:54] Ubuntu 13.10 \n \l [17:55] that's a pretty confused state. hrmm [17:55] well even if you updated that repo to saucy, i think those are gone now [17:55] I think I accidently deleted the extras software source [17:56] can you share your /etc/apt/sources.list via pastebin? [17:56] also have a look what you have in /etc/apt/souces.list.d/ [17:56] what am I looking for? [17:57] anything pertaining to that extras PPA [17:58] I don't think extras is a ppa [17:58]