[06:38] <MartijnVdS> popey: I guess you're on utopic ;)
[06:38] <MartijnVdS> popey: do you see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcr/+bug/1376571 ?
[06:40] <popey> yes
[06:40] <popey> i only see one prompt
[06:44] <MartijnVdS> I see one at a time
[06:44] <MartijnVdS> but I get several in a row
[07:53] <zmoylan-pi> .w6
[07:56] <Myrtti> is there a command in 12.04 that I can use to log out of the session and get to the lightdm login screen?
[07:56] <zmoylan-pi> is the lightdm not an option at default login screen?
[07:57] <Myrtti> not a keyboard shortcut - magic sysrq doesn't work on this laptop
[07:57] <Myrtti> zmoylan-pi: the problem is that I can move the cursor but I can't select anything
[07:57] <zmoylan-pi> i usually have 2-3 wm installed and they're on a drop down list
[07:57] <Myrtti> I'm in this Unity session and thought just logging out and back in would help, but I can't figure out how to do that
[07:58] <MartijnVdS> ctrl+alt+f1, kill the main session process, profit/
[07:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[07:59] <Myrtti> >___< can't click any links in my browser
[08:02] <Myrtti> ah, pressing control reveals that Unity thinks the cursor is somewhere it's not
[08:04] <Myrtti> chrissake
[08:10] <Myrtti> sudo service lightdm restart
[08:10] <Myrtti> there we go...
[08:11] <davmor2> Myrtti: what did you do
[08:12] <Myrtti> I've no idea.
[08:21] <foobarry> oh dear, stephen fry being silly again
[08:21] <zmoylan-pi> instructing the masses to worship steve jobs?
[08:22] <davmor2> Todays song is Emili Sande Read All About It part III for some reason
[08:22] <foobarry> claiming that his cocaine addiction affected nobody but himself
[08:22] <davmor2> where is slacker boy Tait with what day it is.
[08:24] <zmoylan-pi> him blowing his money, true.  but also financing criminals so does affect others
[08:25] <foobarry> big time
[08:25] <foobarry> anyway,
[08:25] <foobarry> does wake on lan get configged in teh bios or the settign is enabled via a driver?
[08:26] <zmoylan-pi> i seem to remember that wake on lan was mentioned in bios
[08:26] <zmoylan-pi> never used it mind
[08:28] <popey> bios
[08:32] <zmoylan-pi> and it's about time. http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/oct/02/printers-refillable-tanks-revolution-home-printing
[08:33] <zmoylan-pi> of course it would be a few weeks after i bought a new printer :-)
[08:34] <Myrtti> we'll get our ink from PC world this time
[08:35] <Myrtti> did a search on Amazon for a laserjet toner and I decided that I'm not willing to bet my wedding information leaflets on cheap toner that might break the MFP we're really fond of
[08:35] <zmoylan-pi> well lasers are cheaper than inkjets anyway
[08:36] <Myrtti> tesco direct came to mind because we have vouchers we never use, but the price difference was about 30 pounds
[08:36] <zmoylan-pi> that's a whole rasp pi :-)
[08:36] <Myrtti> zmoylan-pi: it's not that far off in the lower end off the things, that printer was 150-200 and Samsung lists the replacement toner at 125
[08:37] <Myrtti> cheapest non-brand ones were about 12 pounds, but as I said, not taking the risk this time
[08:37] <zmoylan-pi> flip, my new brother was €80 and a toner is €40
[08:37] <foobarry> popey: looking in some threads it seems some drivers have additional settings to turn it on , on the pcie card
[08:38] <zmoylan-pi> some of the inkjets i looked at had cartridges near the price of that toner and did far fewer pages
[08:38] <zmoylan-pi> if it's an add in ethernet then i suspect the wake on lan might have to be on the driver
[08:39] <Myrtti> zmoylan-pi: http://img1.digitalversus.com/produits/36/4947/36_4947_2.jpg ♥
[08:40] <Myrtti> (Samsung SCX-4500W)
[08:40] <zmoylan-pi> my -pony-little workhorse :-) http://support.brother.com/g/b/producttop.aspx?c=gb&lang=en&prod=hl2135w_us_eu_as
[08:41] <davmor2> Myrtti: I have the older laser jet clp300 I love it
[08:41] <Myrtti> yeah, we needed a scanner too, hence MFP
[08:42] <zmoylan-pi> i just use camera phone as scanner.  use a wooden bracket affixed to table with platform at fixed distance below
[08:43] <zmoylan-pi> since cameras got to 2mp they take a readable photo of a a4 page and the more mp after that the better it gets
[08:43] <davmor2> Myrtti: yeah the do that in their newer laser printers too now \o/
[08:44] <popey> Wifeys laptop broke yesterday
[08:44] <popey> hard disk corruption
[08:45] <zmoylan-pi> laptop not broke, merely wonky
[08:45] <popey> well "broke"
[08:45] <zmoylan-pi> can be dewonked :-p
[08:45] <popey> yes, but do i want to.
[08:45] <popey> or just get a new one and do this later
[08:45] <zmoylan-pi> windows?
[08:45] <popey> osx
[08:46] <zmoylan-pi> ah it's iffy.  macs tend to go corrupt as they age and some tiny hardware thing becomes an issue
[08:46] <zmoylan-pi> you have to know the correct technical terms :-)
[08:47] <popey> tempted to get her a chromebook
[08:47] <zmoylan-pi> they do look tempting
[08:47] <zmoylan-pi> cheap, near disposable, automatically backed up, low maintenance, does the basics
[08:48] <zmoylan-pi> apart from having to use chrome ::spit::
[08:48] <zmoylan-pi> but slap cruton on there...
[08:49] <popey> would use chromeos if it was a chromebook
[08:49] <popey> or get a pc laptop and put ubuntu on it (I'm not supporting windows)
[08:49] <popey> or spend loads and get a mac
[08:49] <zmoylan-pi> apart from paying windows tax which chromeos avoids
[08:49] <popey> meh
[08:50] <zmoylan-pi> macs do tend to last even if i do feel they are overpriced
[08:50] <dwatkins> Windows 10 - keeping up with the Jobs's
[08:50] <popey> yeah, her mbp has lasted a good few years
[08:50] <popey> it all went downhill when i upgraded osx
[08:50] <zmoylan-pi> because too many apps check to see if they
[08:50] <popey> should put back on it what it came with
[08:51] <zmoylan-pi> 're running on windows 9*
[08:51] <popey> and stick an ssd in it
[08:51] <dwatkins> I already need to upgrade my phone to iOS 8.0.1 for some apps.
[08:51] <Laney> still using my mid 2010 mbp (with replaced ssd)
[08:51] <dwatkins> Laney: same here on both counts
[08:51] <Laney> high five
[08:51] <zmoylan-pi> my main system is a 4 year old netbook from hp, 1gb of ram, xubuntu runs ok on it
[08:52] <dwatkins> o/
[08:52] <popey> i think partly the issue is that she drops it under the sofa
[08:52] <dwatkins> that reminds me, I booted up my netbook server yesterday
[08:52] <dwatkins> I hope the fan is ok now
[08:52] <Laney> ...netbook...server?
[08:52] <zmoylan-pi> then a lighter system might survive the abuse better ymmv
[08:53]  * dwatkins types "shotdown" by mistake
[08:53] <dwatkins> Laney: yeah, it's just been replaced by a Raspberry Pi ;)
[08:54] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-CT256MX100SSD1-256GB-Includes-Spacer/dp/B00KFAGCWK
[08:54] <popey> thats probably the quick fix
[08:54]  * zmoylan-pi loves my pi
[08:54] <popey> or buy myself a 512GB SSD and give her my 256GB one ㋛
[08:54] <Laney> it's a good fix
[08:54] <zmoylan-pi> win win popey :-)
[08:54] <Laney> would have had to bin it without the SSD upgrade
[08:55] <popey> yes, this is a plan!
[08:55] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:55] <dwatkins> yeah, I pushed the boat out and got a 1TB SSD
[08:55] <dwatkins> should be good for a while
[08:55] <Laney> !!!
[08:55] <Laney> need one of those
[08:55] <popey> yeah
[08:56] <zmoylan-pi> i just don't trust sdd... yet.  i'm paranoid about dataloss
[08:56] <popey> pffft
[08:56] <popey> backups
[08:56] <popey> i have had precisely zero SSDs fail
[08:56] <popey> and lots of rust fail
[08:56]  * zmoylan-pi waits for the gods of irony to smite popey ;-)
[08:57] <zmoylan-pi> i'va had hdds fail all the time but i often got warning and enough time to make one last backup
[08:58] <zmoylan-pi> up to and including keeping a hdd under my jumper for 3 hours to warm it up to loosen the spindle which had seized
[08:58] <dwatkins> I've had two disks fail in my NAS, should have got disks which were designed for 24/7 operation (or sorted out the options to power them down sooner)
[08:59] <dwatkins> nowadays my NAS does stuff only a couple times a day, so it's less of a problem.
[09:01]  * directhex radically alters new PC spec
[09:02] <popey> now, here's the rub. my laptop has 2xSSD, one is /, one is /home. The /home one is mini pcie.
[09:02] <popey> I am going to have to do some juggling here to copy /home to new SSD, move / to pcie card..
[09:02] <popey> and to complicate things they're both luks encrypted
[09:02] <popey> probably easier to reinstall
[09:03] <popey> or.... i just get her a nice big SSD for her mac and dont steal the big one for me, causing more work for myself.
[09:03] <popey> or.... just get her a 256GB one
[09:06] <dwatkins> If only there was a command which did that, kind of like a TApe Archiving tool...
[09:06] <dwatkins> oops, Tape ARchiving...
[09:09] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Farm Animals Day! :-D
[09:09] <popey> i didnt say there weren't tools to do it
[09:09] <popey> more that it's a balls ache and time consuming to do it
[09:10] <davmor2> popey: can't you just get a usb caddy and transfer over via that?
[09:10] <davmor2> JamesTait: you're late with your internet day, shame on you ;)
[09:11] <davmor2> JamesTait: You're just following up on yesterdays eat the vegetarians day aren't you ;)
[09:11] <JamesTait> I know, davmor2, I've been busy replying to the latest epic mailing list thread about mailing lists. :)
[09:12] <davmor2> JamesTait: did you say, we need a mailing list to discuss mailing list problems rather than filling the current mailing list
[09:13] <JamesTait> davmor2, actually, I replied to the offshoot from the mailing list thread, about document management.
[09:14] <JamesTait> I'm still formulating my reply to the mailing list thread - but I might include your suggestion. ;)
[09:18] <popey> davmor2: yes, thats not the issue, its time consuming faff
[09:29] <davmor2> popey: can't you use fog or ghost or clonezilla?
[09:29] <popey> sure, again, the tools are not the problem
[09:29] <popey> anyone here not in the uk or usa?
[09:29] <davmor2> popey: that shouldn't take as much time as dd for example
[09:29] <zmoylan-pi> o/ ireland
[09:30] <popey> zmoylan-pi: if you go to http://eventbrite.com/ do you get redirected to a local site like a .ie variant?
[09:30] <zmoylan-pi> .ie it is
[09:30] <popey> it redirects?
[09:30] <zmoylan-pi> from the link you sent to .ie variant
[09:30] <popey> ok, ta
[09:31] <popey> .co.ie, or just eventbrite.ie?
[09:33] <dwatkins> I'm in Scotland ;)
[09:34] <popey> denied!
[09:34] <zmoylan-pi> eventbrite.ie  i don't think ireland was ever big enough to use a .co.ie
[09:35] <dwatkins> It's not how big your domain is, it's what you do with it...
[09:37] <awilkins> Yeah, Tuvalu has many more domains than it's size would otherwise suggest...
[09:37] <zmoylan-pi> made them rich enough to buy submarines for everyone in the country which will come in handy soon :-)
[09:42] <safiyyah> good morning everyone! I am trying to get ubuntu 14.04 installed. I have had to re-install 12.04 just to get the system running again so I could re-download 14.04. I burnt it onto a DVD (several in fact), and it refuses to mount. I also made a start up USB and it is also not booting#
[09:43] <SuperMatt> sounds like the iso you downloaded is corrupted
[09:43] <safiyyah> I do not know what to do now because I need a disk to install the thing, any ideas?
[09:43] <SuperMatt> but as you have 12.04 installed, you could just run update-manager -d
[09:43] <safiyyah> I have re-downloaded the iso about 5 times in total
[09:43] <safiyyah> and re-made the disks
[09:44] <popey> uh
[09:44] <popey> you dont need -d to go from 12.04 to 14.04
[09:44] <davmor2> SuperMatt: this is 12.04 to 14.04 the -d shouldn't be required
[09:44] <popey> !upgrade
[09:44] <SuperMatt> popey: I had no idea
[09:45] <safiyyah> I actually cannot get the DVD to mount at all once it is burnt. EVEN in the 12.04 system. I googled how to mount the drive and nothing is working
[09:45] <SuperMatt> oh wait
[09:45] <SuperMatt> I think I did know that
[09:45] <SuperMatt> maybe I'm just silly
[09:46] <popey> hehe
[09:47] <safiyyah> should I ask the software centre to get update and upgrade via there?
[09:47] <safiyyah> I always do a clean install because am scared of glitches but I really do not know what to do now
[09:47] <davmor2> safiyyah: no look at the link above
[09:48] <SuperMatt> so, who wants to play some cs:go or borderlands today?
[09:49] <davmor2> popey: that first link is incorrect I think
[09:49] <safiyyah> according to the link for upgrade notes I seem to be in the wrong distro and 12.04 to 14.04 seems like a huge jump?
[09:50] <davmor2> popey: doesn't lost 12.04-14.04 unless I'm looking at it incorrectly
[09:50] <davmor2> safiyyah: 12.04 is an lts, 14.04 is an lts they are designed to be upgraded to
[09:51] <safiyyah> davmor2, why then is the USB stick not being picked up?
[09:52] <safiyyah> I will be back. Will upgrade via the software centre first
[09:52] <davmor2> safiyyah: you don't upgrade via software-center
[09:52] <davmor2> safiyyah: you upgrade via software updater
[09:53] <safiyyah> davmor2,  yes sorry I mean software updater
[09:53] <safiyyah> be back, let's see how that goes
[10:36] <vad3rman1156> anyone read the new copyright law?
[10:37] <zmoylan-pi> what's ours is ours and what's yours is ours too? :-)
[10:38] <vad3rman1156> lol
[10:39] <zmoylan-pi> it's just that any copyright law now might be nullified by the super secret copyright thing they've been hatching for the past few years
[10:45] <arsenip> i take back everything i said yesterday, here i am installing ubuntu server in 'the enterprise' :D
[10:47] <Laney> starship?
[10:47] <Laney> I thought they were a CentOS shop
[10:51] <zmoylan-pi> i thought they'd run on dos
[10:57]  * brobostigon laughs quietly.
[10:58] <Azelphur> I think I beat uplink now >.< https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Oct/2014-10-02-115649_750x898_scrot.png
[10:59] <zmoylan-pi> when we started to make a pos system in 90s i wanted to use the russian dos that was used on satellites
[11:01] <awilkins> That would indeed, be a POS
[11:03] <zmoylan-pi> solid as a rock, you don't install ms on expensive satellites :-)
[11:04] <zmoylan-pi> in the end we used dr-dos instead
[11:10] <safiyyah> okay am back, i am re-downloading 14.04 hoefully it will be a success now
[11:13] <safiyyah> can someone tell me where my dvd drive is? http://paste.ubuntu.com/8478549/
[11:14] <safiyyah> davmor2, popey
[11:14] <safiyyah> is anyone here?
[11:14] <awilkins> Your drive is probably /dev/dvd
[11:14] <awilkins> Or /dev/cdrom
[11:15] <awilkins> Mount will only list file systems that are mounted, not drives
[11:15] <awilkins> So if there's no media with a valid, mounted, file system in the drive, it won't show up there
[11:16] <awilkins> On my system my DVD drive is /dev/sr0
[11:16] <awilkins> And /dev/cdrom is a link to that
[11:16] <safiyyah> am trying to see the data on the dvd thAat i burned on the iso
[11:17] <safiyyah> sine all 3 disks don't boot up
[11:17] <awilkins> Ok...
[11:17] <awilkins> Did you check the hash of the file
[11:18] <Azelphur> safiyyah: I'm sure I remember your nick from somewhere :)
[11:18] <awilkins> (Apologies if someone already asked this with you)
[11:19] <safiyyah> dev/sr0 hangs the terminal and it isnt the dev/cdrom
[11:19] <safiyyah> Azelphur, YES! long time no see, I used to come in here alot
[11:19] <Azelphur> :)
[11:19] <safiyyah> got busy working , so not in here much anymore, having upgrade issues :(
[11:20] <safiyyah> awilkins am sorry I do not know what 'the hash of the file' means
[11:21] <awilkins> safiyyah, OK, so I mean running the file though a cryptographic hash util to check it's integrity
[11:21] <diplo> Can you use the Optical drive for anything else ? IE is it even being detected by the OS ( don't want to read through everything )
[11:22] <diplo> Not sure if this is the correct way, but cat /proc/scsi/scsi displays mine
[11:22] <awilkins> safiyyah, On the download page at http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ , there is a file called SHA1SUMS
[11:23] <awilkins> If you open a terminal, and run    `sha1sum <the iso file>`, you get a value that should match the corresponding line in SHA1SUMS
[11:23] <awilkins> If they don't match, your file is corrupted
[12:05] <safiyyah> awalkins the terminal just hangs
[12:05] <safiyyah> awilkins,
[12:06] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8478774/
[12:06] <safiyyah> perhaps I entered it wrong
[12:08] <popey> whats with the arrows?
[12:09] <popey> sha1sum /home/Downloads/ubuntu-14.04.1-destop-i386.iso
[12:09] <popey> assuming thats the iso filename
[12:14] <awilkins> Yeah, when I wrote <the iso file> I mean replace the whole lot (including chevrons)
[12:14] <awilkins> And without the backticks too
[12:15] <awilkins> (seriously, one thing I want to see on stackoverload / askubuntu is a wiki markup for annotating command lines)
[12:15] <awilkins> So you can have pretty labels annotating bits of the command explaining what it does
[12:56] <safiyyah> popey. awilkins  - http://paste.ubuntu.com/8478989/
[12:56] <safiyyah> Is that what was supposed to happen?
[12:56] <safiyyah> Sorry I am also working at the same time
[12:56] <popey> looks good
[12:56] <safiyyah> so I am having interruptions
[12:57] <awilkins> safiyyah, Yes, if you check that against : http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/SHA1SUMS
[12:57] <awilkins> (Sure you want the i386 image? It's a 32-bit machine?)
[13:00] <safiyyah> awilkins, I installed 64 bit years ago and I found I had to configure everything
[13:00] <safiyyah> couldn't get skyoe working. Need skype for work!
[13:00] <awilkins> safiyyah, It's very much less configure-y now. Skype works fine for me... I did have to install a 32-bit version of Firefox and Java to get WebEx working fully though.
[13:01] <Myrtti> I've used 64-bit for yonks and it works just fine.
[13:01] <safiyyah> popey, There is a fact I forgot to mention, whenver am burning the disk. It finishes burning then never finishes creating the checksum
[13:01] <awilkins> But that's unrelated to your problems with getting your CDs to boot
[13:01] <awilkins> safiyyah, Have you tried USB?
[13:01] <safiyyah> That may be why I had botched disks?
[13:02] <safiyyah> awilkins, made the USB several times it is not being picked up on boot
[13:02] <safiyyah> I have already told the bios to boot up from 'other' first
[13:02] <awilkins> safiyyah, This is likely more to do with your BIOS settings
[13:02] <awilkins> Does your BIOS have a hotkey for "Choose boot device" ?
[13:02] <safiyyah> no I go in and tell it the boot order
[13:02] <awilkins> e.g. mine invites you to bang F12 to pick a boot device for one-time use
[13:03] <safiyyah> oh cool, will check if it has that
[13:03] <awilkins> What are your choices?
[13:03] <awilkins> Burning a disk or using the USB creator should just work
[13:03] <awilkins> THey both produce a bootable disk
[13:03] <safiyyah> my choices are the one of the HDD's, atapi CD drive and other
[13:04] <zmoylan-pi> and is it or has it ever been a windows 8 uefi device? :-)
[13:04] <awilkins> Hmm, yes
[13:04] <awilkins> If you have UEFI, do you have Secure Boot enabled?
[13:04]  * awilkins has not had to contend with this personally as yet
[13:05] <zmoylan-pi> lucky
[13:05] <directhex> totally looking forward to moving to UEFI on my new PC
[13:05] <awilkins> My motherboard has some kind of EFI but I'm just booting normally
[13:06] <directhex> everything about BIOS is terrible
[13:06] <awilkins> BIOS is terrible, but UEFI is worse
[13:06] <directhex> it really isn't
[13:06] <awilkins> But prettier
[13:06] <safiyyah> okay getting interrupted again
[13:06] <directhex> for most people, it's just different/new
[13:06] <safiyyah> am going to leave the download for the 64 bit running
[13:06] <directhex> safiyyah: do you know what the motherboard in the system is?
[13:06] <safiyyah> I have an Asus
[13:07] <directhex> roughly from when?
[13:07] <safiyyah> one of you guys told me to buy it last time my motherboard died... good call whoever that was
[13:07] <safiyyah> this one has lasted
[13:07] <awilkins> Hah, I usually sing ASUS praises
[13:08] <awilkins> I got an Abit once
[13:08] <awilkins> Never again!
[13:08] <safiyyah> it's an ASUS P5KPL-AM EPU motherboard
[13:08] <directhex> abit went bust a decade ago
[13:08] <awilkins> Presumably because they were rubbish
[13:09] <safiyyah> well one of you told me to use ASUS motherboards after my old gigabyte died and I think this will be my brand of choice for now
[13:09] <directhex> okay, that's BIOS not UEFI, so ignore UEFI comments
[13:10] <safiyyah> I don't know what UEFI is, only BIOS (sorry)
[13:10] <directhex> BIOS is how computers from the late 1970s boot. UEFI is how computers from the late 1990s boot.
[13:10] <directhex> almost all motherboards which mention windows 8 on the box are UEFI, windows 7 or lower are BIOS
[13:11] <safiyyah> well my board is about 3 years old
[13:11] <directhex> everyone's taken a while to catch up. you're on BIOS (70s-style)
[13:12] <safiyyah> okay
[13:12] <safiyyah> right please explain why the iso image burn, gets stuck on checksum?
[13:12] <safiyyah> image checksum
[13:12] <safiyyah> never finishes even if you leave it for hours
[13:12] <safiyyah> should I try another burner am using brasero
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> maybe your drive is busted?
[13:13] <safiyyah> I can accept that
[13:14] <safiyyah> okay we go with the bootable USB,hope it works!
[13:14] <safiyyah> back to work. be back in an hour to finish this off
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> good luck
[13:14] <directhex> awilkins: bootable USB is one example of why UEFI is better ;)
[13:15] <awilkins> I think my current MOBO has some sort of UEFI but I'm not sure it has SecureBoot
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> but bios had bootable usb 8-)
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> (I know I know, mega-hacky)
[13:16] <directhex> booting from USB requires the same as booting from a hard disk: 448 bytes of 16-bit machine code, at the correct point in the first 512 bytes of the disk blocks
[13:16] <directhex> on BIOS
[13:17] <directhex> all BIOS booting is done by having a fully functional 16-bit 8088 implementation inside whatever modern 64-bit CPU you have
[13:17] <safiyyah> http://www.amazon.co.uk/DVD-RW-Drive-DRW-24F1ST-BLK-AS/dp/B00BZF31UU/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412255733&sr=1-3&keywords=cd+drive
[13:17] <safiyyah> is that a good one?
[13:18] <directhex> safiyyah: there's not much in it these days. only 2 or 3 companies actually manufacture them
[13:18] <safiyyah> lol
[13:18] <safiyyah> okay
[13:19] <Myrtti> you're not trying to do it to a RW disc, right?
[13:20] <awilkins> I don't really care anymore... used to think about buying Plextor drives and always settle for cheaper ones. But these days, I just don't care.
[13:20] <awilkins> I only use optical drives to rip CDs, install software.
[13:20] <awilkins> And very occasionally burn music for my daughter's dance classes.
[13:21] <directhex> USB booting for UEFI just involves the right file in the right place (/efi/boot/bootx64.efi) on a FAT formatted USB stick. so the imaging instructions are just "unzip"
[13:24] <safiyyah> Myrtti,  no a DWD +R
[13:24] <safiyyah> DVD +R
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> directhex: does UEFI support exFAT?
[13:31] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: isn't that what the magic UEFI Boot partition is written in?
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: no that's normal FAT
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> exFAT is what large SD cards come formatted as
[13:32] <davmor2> man why don't they just call it thin if it is ex-fat
[13:33] <awilkins> Short for extra-FAT (or extended FAT)
[13:33] <shauno> I think the magic partition is 'just' fat because everythign else is some variation of pain.  but the bootloader from there can support whatever it likes (which is fun)
[13:33] <awilkins> Should call it PORKY
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> LEAN
[13:36] <safiyyah> went with the samsung since they  will deliver it tomorrow http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-24x-Retail-SATA-Writer/dp/B00CC6YN6M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412256743&sr=8-1&keywords=dvd+drive
[13:40] <safiyyah> guess I will have to wait until tomorrow to burn the disk
[13:40] <safiyyah> :(
[13:44] <dutchie> hrm
[13:44] <dutchie> am i being dumb, or is there no obvious way to invoke bash interactively with arguments
[13:45] <dutchie> i.e. the equivalent of "python - a b c", which launches an interactive shell with sys.argv set to ["-", "a", "b", "c"]
[13:54] <dutchie> aha, -s
[13:57] <dutchie> ...or not
[13:57] <dutchie> oh right
[13:57] <dutchie> bash -s a b c
[14:23] <directhex> MartijnVdS: exfat isn't part of the UEFI spec at all
[14:29] <davmor2> popey: can you make this the official oogcamp drinking song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzYof5GjhQ8
[14:29] <popey> I'm tempted not to click that in case it's an earworm
[14:30] <davmor2> popey: no it's a good one I promise, its the charlie mops beer song from the bard
[14:31] <popey> http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/dont_believe_you_anchorman.gif
[15:42] <davmor2> popey: have you listened to it yet?
[15:42] <popey> nope ☻
[15:43] <popey> too busy listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqZcYPEszN8
[15:52] <davmor2> popey: like it :)
[17:25] <diddledan> how stupid is this marketing? http://www.geforce.co.uk/whats-new/articles/dynamic-super-resolution-instantly-improves-your-games-with-4k-quality-graphics
[17:27] <zmoylan-pi> if people are dumb enough to buy it and believe it...
[17:28] <daftykins> it does actually improve image quality
[17:28] <daftykins> but yeah claiming to make it 4K, lawl
[17:28] <zmoylan-pi> looks wonderful on my 14" screen :-)
[17:37] <shauno> just told the tv licence dude to go away :)  now I have the sinking feeling I should look into how much power they think they have here
[17:40] <daftykins> heh
[17:40] <daftykins> do you use a TV?
[17:41] <daftykins> or rather, do you watch broadcast TV? :)
[17:41] <shauno> yup.  and I have a licence for it.  I just object to being asked to produce it.  my 'filing system' is inefficient enough to make that an offensive waste of my time
[17:42] <shauno> if their computer can figure out how & when to send me reminders, it can also figure out how & when not to send people to my door
[17:42] <diddledan> don't they have some sort of databasey thing?
[17:42] <intrbiz> shauno: your under no obligation to let them into your property
[17:46] <mia__> does anyone know what I need to do to update my Ubuntu install to the latest I tried the information on the website but my version number is stuck on 13.10
[17:46] <mia__> I'm running it now
[17:46] <daftykins> run do-release-upgrade
[17:47] <mia__> apt-get?
[17:47] <daftykins> no
[17:47] <mia__> thanks
[17:47] <daftykins> "do-release-upgrade"
[17:47] <mia__> I forgot the release bit
[17:51] <mia__> Error during update
[17:51] <mia__> A problem occurred during the update. This is usually some sort of
[17:51] <mia__> network problem, please check your network connection and retry.
[17:51] <mia__> W:Failed to fetch
[17:51] <mia__> http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/source/Sources 404
[17:52] <mia__> this keeps on happeneing
[17:52] <mia__> I might not have the extra's repository in my software sources
[17:52] <mia__> does anyone know how to get it back
[17:52] <daftykins> you should paste output to us via http://paste.ubuntu.com
[17:53] <daftykins> never paste to IRC directly, it's annoying
[17:53] <mia__> I'm sorry
[17:53] <mia__> newbie
[17:53] <mia__> I'm not used to IRC
[17:53] <daftykins> ok that's referring to raring which is 13.04, you said you have 13.10?
[17:53] <mia__> yes
[17:53] <daftykins> run "cat /etc/issue" to confirm
[17:53] <daftykins> you can share the output of that here as it's only one line
[17:54] <mia__> Ubuntu 13.10 \n \l
[17:55] <daftykins> that's a pretty confused state. hrmm
[17:55] <daftykins> well even if you updated that repo to saucy, i think those are gone now
[17:55] <mia__> I think I accidently deleted the extras software source
[17:56] <daftykins> can you share your /etc/apt/sources.list via pastebin?
[17:56] <daftykins> also have a look what you have in /etc/apt/souces.list.d/
[17:56] <mia__> what am I looking for?
[17:57] <daftykins> anything pertaining to that extras PPA
[17:58] <diddledan> I don't think extras is a ppa
[17:58] <daftykins> well, just a sub type thing
[17:58] <daftykins> i knew what i meant :D
[17:59] <mia__> is there a command to paste to pastebin?
[18:00] <daftykins> well i'd usually say to install pastebinit, but i suspect you can no longer install packages
[18:02] <mia__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8480692/
[18:04] <mia__> ok
[18:05] <mia__> thanks daftykins for helping out
[18:07] <daftykins> mia__: have you resolved it yourself, or?
[18:07] <mia__> no just pleased
[18:07] <daftykins> heh
[18:07] <daftykins> were you online the last couple of days? i thought i saw your nickname before
[18:08] <mia__> maybe I don't think it's registered
[18:08] <mia__> it might be someone else
[18:08] <daftykins> mia__: so you can see on line 44 is the problem referring to raring, i'd usually say make a backup but you can remember the simple change made here
[18:08] <mia__> I'm at a hackspace
[18:08] <mia__> learning the ropes
[18:08] <mia__> ok
[18:08] <mia__> I can do that
[18:08] <daftykins> oh some kind of event
[18:08] <mia__> no i'm a member
[18:09] <daftykins> mia__: i would replace 'raring' in line 44 with 'saucy' then save, and run "sudo apt-get update" again and check or errors (you could pastebin the output of that command too)
[18:09] <mia__> ok will do
[18:09] <daftykins> *for errors
[18:09] <daftykins> sorry my 'f' key is on the way out =|
[18:10]  * diddledan takes daftykins's f-key out on a date
[18:10] <daftykins> :D
[18:10] <zmoylan-pi> that can be really ecking annoying
[18:10] <daftykins> diddledan: you best bring it back before curfew!
[18:11] <daftykins> yeah, what's worse is it's my das keyboard mechanical with blue cherry MX switches
[18:11] <daftykins> £££ to replace :(
[18:11] <zmoylan-pi> aren't they supposed to last forever?
[18:11] <zmoylan-pi> warranty?
[18:11] <daftykins> it's years old, way out of warranty
[18:12] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rpfqi4xz9nxgx5j/AACAxEkpRRGQQnM2Lruz1Sira?dl=0
[18:12] <daftykins> took it apart for fun, kind of helped, more a placebo though
[18:12] <zmoylan-pi> not a lifetime warranty?  some of the silly expensive hardware is a bit more flexible
[18:12] <daftykins> i'd not have a problem  if it were :)
[18:13] <zmoylan-pi> did you injure a family member who wanted you to fix their windows vista laptop with the keyboard? :-)
[18:13] <zmoylan-pi> for that you need the ibm modem m :-D
[18:14] <zmoylan-pi> *model
[18:15] <daftykins> you wouldn't catch me with a keyboard without super.
[18:15] <daftykins> i couldn't survive
[18:15] <daftykins> mia__: how'd it go?
[18:17] <mia__> it's running now
[18:17] <daftykins> the apt-get update or the do-release-upgrade ?
[18:17] <mia__> apt-get update
[18:17] <mia__> GPG error: http://extras.ubuntu.com saucy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 16126D3A3E5C1192
[18:18] <daftykins> hmm that's not particularly a problem
[18:18] <mia__> ok
[18:18] <mia__> is that because I deleted the software source
[18:19] <daftykins> not really
[18:19] <mia__> everything else is fine
[18:19] <daftykins> good stuff, try the do-release-upgrade again and see if it complains
[18:33] <mia__> it seems to be running
[18:34] <mia__> thanks daftykins
[18:34] <daftykins> no problem
[18:59] <diddledan> is "drupling" something undesirable?
[18:59] <diddledan> if so then I'm currently drupling :-p
[19:00] <diddledan> and answering a question in #wordpress :-/
[19:01] <daftykins> O_O
[19:02] <zmoylan-pi> as long as you insist on using ie6 to view the result :-p
[19:02] <diddledan> oh god
[19:02] <diddledan> I think my boss has finally let IE6 go
[19:03] <zmoylan-pi> yeah i was just wondering what the state of the lightening conductor was around abouts :-)
[22:58] <Azelphur> some girl just viewed my profile on okcupid, went to look at her profile, "I am looking for a man, who is willing to except me for who I am"...heheh, this goes on my list of most amusing spelling mistakes :P
[23:01] <ali1234> technically that's a grammar mistake
[23:01] <Azelphur> true
[23:02] <Azelphur> amusingly I will except her for who she is...I don't think that's what she had in mind though ;)
[23:02] <Azelphur> sometimes I get tempted to message some of these profiles with a list of mistakes in their profiles
[23:04] <shauno> I graded a bosses email for spelling once.  gave him a B-.  from that, I can tell you it doesn't quite work out the way it did in your head
[23:04] <Azelphur> hahaha
[23:09] <daftykins> shauno: did you keep your job? :)
[23:09] <shauno> sure :)
[23:10] <Azelphur> I told my former boss to "repeat that in English" a few times :P
[23:11] <diddledan__> just remember: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkje4FiH9Qc
[23:11] <diddledan__> that's not a very good video tho
[23:16] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:18] <daftykins> i wish this channel had a URL snarfing bot ;)
[23:18] <diddledan__> snarf!
[23:18] <diddledan__> you want it to tell you ahead-of-time where you're going?
[23:18] <daftykins> yip
[23:18] <diddledan__> gotcha
[23:19] <daftykins> prevents click regret :)
[23:20] <daftykins> https://i.imgur.com/NDXnJqe.jpg this amuses and horrifies at the same time
[23:20] <daftykins> no idea of context, but... it stands alone ok
[23:21] <diddledan__> err
[23:21] <Azelphur> daftykins: could easily be done as a ZNC module
[23:29] <daftykins> that'd cause duplicates
[23:35] <diddledan__> duplicates?
[23:36] <daftykins> i'm in channels where bots already grab the document title