| Kilos | hi bushtech inetpro Kerbero nlsthzn nuvolari Squirm theblazehen and others | 05:24 |
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| Kilos | hi Vince-0 too | 05:25 |
| bushtech | Hi Kilos | 05:26 |
| * Kilos got a biiig job | 05:26 | |
| Kilos | design a website | 05:26 |
| bushtech | great | 05:27 |
| Kilos | sjoe i have no idea even where to start, so google gets some use again | 05:27 |
| Kilos | http://www.thesitewizard.com/gettingstarted/startwebsite.shtml | 05:27 |
| bushtech | never tried it myself so I won't be much help lol | 05:28 |
| Kilos | lol | 05:28 |
| Kilos | ill spend the day reading looks like | 05:28 |
| bushtech | your drive arriving today? | 05:29 |
| Kilos | learned for the first time what wysiwyg means | 05:29 |
| Kilos | na waiting for ian to pay the couriers and he waiting for clients to pay him | 05:30 |
| bushtech | Eish! | 05:30 |
| Kilos | tough with new business you cant dump the clients you have to run after for payment | 05:30 |
| Kilos | looks like peeps try get every day extra interest on their money before they pay | 05:31 |
| Kilos | but let their readers or software give probs they are quick to call him out | 05:32 |
| nlsthzn | good luck with your site uncle Kilos :) | 05:34 |
| Kilos | ty nlsthzn i gotta find a drag and drop tool | 05:37 |
| Kilos | will look at kompozer first, its starts with the right letter for kde | 05:39 |
| kbmonkey | morning Kilos | 05:41 |
| kbmonkey | morning nlsthzn | 05:41 |
| Kilos | hi kbmonkey | 05:42 |
| Kilos | ai! tarballs again | 05:42 |
| kbmonkey | Kilos, you are building a site for Ian? | 05:44 |
| Kilos | ya gonna try anyway | 05:44 |
| kbmonkey | that is a nice hobby | 05:44 |
| Kilos | but it must be a simple tool | 05:45 |
| Kilos | im not going the tarball route | 05:45 |
| Kilos | i need something that doesnt need me to know any programming language | 05:46 |
| kbmonkey | sites.google.com has a easy wysiwyg site builder | 05:47 |
| kbmonkey | and there you dont have to worry about setting up hosting | 05:47 |
| kbmonkey | you can even buy a domain name (www.yoursite.co.za) and make it point to your google site | 05:47 |
| Kilos | he has a host and domain name already | 05:47 |
| kbmonkey | ah okay, smart man | 05:48 |
| Kilos | does this mean the tool does the work | 05:48 |
| Kilos | KDevelop is an easy to use integrated development environment for KDE. | 05:48 |
| Kilos | It supports a wide range of programming languages and features project | 05:48 |
| Kilos | management, an advanced editor, a class browser and an integrated debugger. | 05:48 |
| kbmonkey | gee, kdevelop seems overkill | 05:49 |
| kbmonkey | I don't think that it is wysiwyg either, it is all code stuff | 05:49 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 05:49 |
| Kilos | The application wizard can generate fully functional projects | 05:50 |
| Kilos | for terminal programs and GUI programs using Qt, KDE or GNOME. | 05:50 |
| Kilos | i like the gui bit | 05:50 |
| kbmonkey | no website project? | 05:50 |
| Kilos | im just reading what it says in the repos | 05:50 |
| nlsthzn | just set up a wordpress blog perhaps? | 05:51 |
| Kilos | a blog? | 05:51 |
| kbmonkey | ^ what nlsthzn said :) | 05:51 |
| kbmonkey | a simple cms - content management system | 05:52 |
| kbmonkey | where you just write your posts / pages in wysiwyg. bazinga. | 05:52 |
| Kilos | eish more big words | 05:52 |
| kbmonkey | usually logging in to the hosted domain gives you a control panel where you can easily install such a CMS. poke around the control panel a bit... | 05:53 |
| Squirm | morning | 05:53 |
| kbmonkey | morning Squirm | 05:54 |
| Kilos | haha he is clever, he wants me to design it here so he can check it before implementation methinks | 05:56 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 05:57 |
| * kbmonkey nods and agrees | 06:00 | |
| Squirm | cms software is great | 06:11 |
| Squirm | I used to use Joomla a fair amount | 06:12 |
| Squirm | not so much Drupal | 06:12 |
| Kilos | hi kodez | 06:31 |
| kodez | uncle kilos, how are you? | 06:31 |
| Kilos | good ty and you kodez ? | 06:32 |
| kodez | i am better than yesterday, thanks for asking | 06:32 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 06:33 |
| Kilos | good thing if everyday is better than the last one | 06:34 |
| kodez | yes | 06:35 |
| kodez | i am moving closer to my goals even though i have detours | 06:36 |
| Kilos | good | 06:36 |
| Kilos | always many bumps in the road ahead | 06:36 |
| Kilos | hi Spekko | 07:06 |
| Kilos | lo ThatGraemeGuy | 07:07 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | 'lo | 07:08 |
| bduk1 | Hi peeps | 07:31 |
| Kilos | hi bduk1 | 07:40 |
| Kilos | hi gremble | 07:43 |
| gremble | Hey Kilos | 07:56 |
| charl | good morning | 09:31 |
| charl | Maaz: coffee on | 09:31 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 09:31 | |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl! | 09:35 |
| Kilos | hi charl | 09:36 |
| Squirm | Maaz: coffee on | 09:37 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 09:37 | |
| Squirm | Maaz: largest | 09:37 |
| Maaz | Sorry Squirm, We have had a limit placed on coffee use. | 09:37 |
| Squirm | Maaz: large | 09:37 |
| Maaz | In a beer mug just for you Squirm | 09:37 |
| Squirm | :/ | 09:37 |
| Squirm | Maaz: larger | 09:37 |
| Maaz | inna bucket for you Squirm | 09:37 |
| Squirm | mwhahaha | 09:37 |
| Kilos | lol | 09:38 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Squirm! | 09:41 |
| Kilos | found something else out now | 09:52 |
| Kilos | 3g modems kill pot plants close by | 09:52 |
| bushtech | another urban legend in the making? | 10:02 |
| Kilos | no man genuine | 10:05 |
| bushtech | gee jy darem die goed water? | 10:06 |
| Kilos | had 2 here and both near died so i put then outside last week and they starting to shoot again | 10:06 |
| Kilos | ya man | 10:06 |
| charl | hi Kilos | 10:06 |
| charl | hi Squirm | 10:06 |
| charl | hi bushtech | 10:07 |
| Kilos | ek sal wag laat hulle mooi groei weer en weer in bring en kyk | 10:07 |
| bushtech | hi charl | 10:07 |
| bushtech | sounds more like they need a bit of sun | 10:07 |
| Kilos | one is a curry leaf tree bush thing and the other is a tansy plant | 10:07 |
| bushtech | my curry tree likes a lot of sun | 10:08 |
| Kilos | curry leaf is a durban thing so i need to bring it in every winter | 10:08 |
| Kilos | doesnt frosy kill yours? | 10:09 |
| Kilos | frost | 10:09 |
| bushtech | any horticulturalist on here that can help Kilos a bit? | 10:09 |
| Kilos | lol | 10:10 |
| bushtech | when we were in Jhb our curry tree became a 4m high monster | 10:10 |
| Kilos | frost kills mine. i have had 4 brought up from durbs over the years and only the one i bring in every winter survives | 10:10 |
| Kilos | so i got a shoot from that one and put it in a small pot here near my pc and it went backwards in 2 weeks | 10:12 |
| Kilos | now in the sun its reviving | 10:12 |
| bushtech | grrrrr vodacom | 10:16 |
| Kilos | but the big one survives every winter in the lounge in front | 10:16 |
| Kilos | haha | 10:16 |
| bushtech | the bigger it gets the more frost resistant it gets | 10:19 |
| Kilos | ah | 10:31 |
| charl | haha microsoft brought the start menu back | 10:43 |
| charl | we all knew it | 10:43 |
| charl | windows 8 was a bigger screw-up than the versions of unity | 10:43 |
| inetpro | good day | 10:51 |
| Kilos | hi inetpro | 10:51 |
| inetpro | charl: how much bandwidth did you say you have at home these days? | 10:51 |
| charl | inetpro: 90mbps down and 9mbps up | 11:01 |
| inetpro | ah, thought it was even more | 11:01 |
| charl | inetpro: this is my current package https://www.ziggo.nl/alles-in-1/plus | 11:02 |
| charl | inetpro: these are all the packages https://www.ziggo.nl/alles-in-1 | 11:02 |
| inetpro | was just trying to tell people here that it's time for us to fight harder to get more bandwidth at cheaper rates | 11:02 |
| charl | i had the faster one (180mbps down and 18mbps up) for a while but i decided to save the 10 euro per month (i don't need it) | 11:02 |
| charl | keep in mind, this is EXPENSIVE cable bandwidth | 11:03 |
| charl | if you have FTTH it's MUCH cheaper | 11:03 |
| charl | so this is not something to go by | 11:03 |
| charl | compare to http://www.breedbandarnhem.nl//thuis/snelheden | 11:03 |
| charl | i live in a backwater part of NL where we don't have FTTH (yet) | 11:03 |
| charl | but even some small towns in the region like enter have FTTH now so we're running very much behind | 11:04 |
| charl | a town like enter has all of 7 thousand people living there, if they can have FTTH then everybody can | 11:04 |
| charl | inetpro: also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbQj2PqDXnU | 11:08 |
| charl | i think that's the way of the future | 11:08 |
| charl | take the internet back from big companies | 11:08 |
| gremble | FTTH -> Faster Than Thermal-Hydra's? | 11:08 |
| charl | lol | 11:08 |
| gremble | That would be pretty fast | 11:09 |
| gremble | I heard that termal-hydra's could reach five kilopascal in a mol | 11:09 |
| charl | in sweden the prices are even cheaper http://www.bredbandsbolaget.se/bredband/alla-hastigheter.html | 11:11 |
| charl | although, no it comes out at around the same price as NL after the first 12 months | 11:11 |
| charl | i think that's about the going rate now, 1gbps for 100 euro per month | 11:11 |
| charl | oh i just saw http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/111082-sa-broadband-really-bad-and-really-good-news.html | 11:15 |
| charl | haha | 11:15 |
| * Squirm looks around | 11:50 | |
| * charl throws a pie at Squirm | 12:04 | |
| Kilos | haha | 12:04 |
| charl | :D | 12:04 |
| Kilos | steak and kidney please | 12:04 |
| * charl wants a cornish pie | 12:05 | |
| inetpro | nice links charl, thanks | 12:05 |
| charl | np inetpro | 12:05 |
| Squirm | I think I just found a flat | 12:12 |
| Squirm | <5km from work | 12:12 |
| Kilos | nice | 12:13 |
| Kilos | quick jog mornings and evenings | 12:13 |
| Kilos | have they got showers at work | 12:13 |
| charl | ciao all | 12:15 |
| Squirm | 3.3km | 12:32 |
| Squirm | Kilos: I don't think so | 12:32 |
| Kilos | pity , would be the answer that, no transport costs and get fit at the same time | 12:33 |
| Squirm | or a 10min, slow cycle :P | 12:33 |
| Kilos | lol | 12:33 |
| Squirm | also thinking about getting a scooter | 12:33 |
| Kilos | ya i saw you can get one for 6g | 12:34 |
| Squirm | worked it out to be R150pm on fuel if I drive | 12:34 |
| Squirm | ^^ | 12:34 |
| Kilos | 6k | 12:34 |
| Squirm | that's in a car | 12:34 |
| Squirm | scooter will be like R60 | 12:34 |
| Squirm | :P | 12:34 |
| Kilos | thats not bad | 12:34 |
| Kilos | so bad weather days you use the car | 12:34 |
| Squirm | exactly | 12:35 |
| Kilos | ya thats good. not many peeps have things so good | 12:35 |
| Squirm | it's sharing a house | 12:35 |
| Squirm | with a couple and another girl | 12:35 |
| Kilos | thats fine too | 12:35 |
| Squirm | but it's a step forward. once in town I can look around | 12:36 |
| Squirm | it's just to get in | 12:36 |
| Kilos | as long as each one does their bit | 12:36 |
| Squirm | maid twice a week | 12:36 |
| Kilos | if they are good peeps then you can stay there | 12:36 |
| Kilos | sharing is the best way to cut costs | 12:37 |
| Kilos | and you can fix their pcs if they cook for you | 12:37 |
| Kilos | hehe | 12:37 |
| Kilos | Fetched 37,3 MB in 51s (721 kB/s) | 12:43 |
| Kilos | 8ta moving fine | 12:43 |
| Kilos | im gonna look at blue griffon and see if i can understand that | 12:44 |
| Kilos | oi it crashes | 12:46 |
| Squirm | haha, yeah :P | 12:48 |
| Kilos | sigh | 12:49 |
| Kilos | maybe its one of those things that wants to reboot before it works | 12:49 |
| inetpro | Squirm: I would definitely use a bicycle if I was you | 13:18 |
| * inetpro used a bicycle for first 5 working years as the primary means of transport | 13:20 | |
| inetpro | and that was about 7km per trip | 13:21 |
| inetpro | and often got to the office before the cars | 13:23 |
| Squirm | inetpro: yes | 13:51 |
| Squirm | going to find one | 13:51 |
| Squirm | I still want a scooter though :P | 13:51 |
| inetpro | don't forget a scooter needs frequent maintenance | 13:52 |
| inetpro | like every 2500km | 13:53 |
| inetpro | obviously with your short distance that will take some time | 13:54 |
| Squirm | yep | 13:57 |
| gremble | Scooters are for men that like to feel the wind against their vagina | 13:58 |
| gremble | :P | 13:58 |
| gremble | Just teasing of course | 13:58 |
| gremble | haha | 13:58 |
| Squirm | gremble: scooters are for people on a tight budget that want to get 2.5l per 100km :D | 13:58 |
| Squirm | gremble: I know | 13:58 |
| Squirm | I won't feel very manly on a scooter | 13:58 |
| Squirm | but it'll help | 13:58 |
| Squirm | Maaz: 4*2*5*4 | 13:59 |
| Maaz | Squirm: 160 | 13:59 |
| Squirm | 160km per month | 13:59 |
| Squirm | Maaz: 5*14 | 13:59 |
| Maaz | Squirm: 70 | 13:59 |
| gremble | I want a motorbike so badly. I have to drive through Pretoria CBD every day to get to campus | 13:59 |
| Squirm | R70 to fill the tank | 13:59 |
| gremble | and it is costing me an arm and a leg | 13:59 |
| Squirm | so that is about R60 on fuel | 13:59 |
| Squirm | maybe R50 | 13:59 |
| gremble | That is cheap. And the recent prolifiration of bikes on our roads also help in the safety sense | 14:02 |
| Squirm | yep | 14:11 |
| Kilos | dont let them put you off Squirm scooters are fine | 14:11 |
| Squirm | Kilos: I know | 14:11 |
| Squirm | :P | 14:11 |
| Squirm | I make jokes about guys with scooters | 14:11 |
| Squirm | :D | 14:11 |
| Kilos | and there are some chicks riding around on harleys so there | 14:12 |
| Squirm | meh | 14:14 |
| Squirm | been chatting to a friend about bikes | 14:14 |
| gremble | mweb is a douch ISP | 14:14 |
| Squirm | he says you can pick up a 125cc Honda E-Storm for R10k | 14:14 |
| Squirm | motorbike | 14:14 |
| gremble | That is not too bad | 14:15 |
| Squirm | saw that also had excellent consumption | 14:15 |
| Squirm | something like 37km per litre | 14:16 |
| Squirm | so guys | 14:20 |
| Squirm | I have to say | 14:20 |
| Squirm | I am moving to Cape Town! | 14:20 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 14:20 |
| Squirm | I'm happy now. Big relief | 14:21 |
| Kilos | when you leaving Squirm | 14:34 |
| Kilos | what does this mean | 15:14 |
| Kilos | (synaptic:13874): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_child_watch_add_full: assertion 'pid > 0' failed | 15:14 |
| Kilos | wbb | 15:18 |
| inetpro | who's at the @FreeBeerSession tonight? | 15:45 |
| gremble | Bleh. Too far to drive for me :x | 16:02 |
| Squirm | I'd have loved to go | 16:19 |
| Squirm | free beer | 16:19 |
| Squirm | :/ | 16:19 |
| gremble | Best kind of beer | 16:19 |
| Squirm | Kilos: will arrive there, Saturday the 1st | 16:19 |
| Squirm | now I want beer | 16:20 |
| Kilos | oh so still this month to go | 16:20 |
| Kilos | bushtech winter is terug | 16:23 |
| Kilos | 8 c vanaand weer | 16:23 |
| Squirm | Kilos: yeah :/ | 16:27 |
| Kilos | Oct 2 17:26:18 P64 kernel: [ 412.968333] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wwan0 OUT= MAC=e2:04:2b:b5:aa:a5:00:00:00:00:00:00:08:00 SRC=83.170.73.249 DST=154.69.31.60 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=53 ID=59430 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=51579 DPT=3128 WINDOW=14600 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 | 16:40 |
| Kilos | what does that mean. is ufw blocking something? | 16:40 |
| Kilos | i ran tail /var/log/syslog because bluegriffin crashes the minute i click file to make a new page | 16:43 |
| inetpro | bluegriffin? | 16:50 |
| inetpro | good evening | 16:50 |
| inetpro | IP 83.170.73.249 on port 51579 talking to IP 154.69.31.60 on port 3128 is being blocked | 16:51 |
| Kilos | sjoe well done. dunno how you worked that out | 16:54 |
| Kilos | http://www.thesitewizard.com/bluegriffon/bluegriffon-1-tutorial-1.shtml | 16:54 |
| inetpro | Kilos: just read the line man, it's all there | 16:56 |
| Kilos | so where is this IP 83.170.73.249 | 16:57 |
| inetpro | now which IP is which? | 16:57 |
| gremble | If bluegriffon crashes because an IP is being blocked, I would be suspicious of that editor | 16:58 |
| Kilos | is one of then outside trying to get in here? | 16:58 |
| Kilos | i dont know if thats the cause of the crash gremble but thats what tails shows | 16:58 |
| Kilos | over and over | 16:58 |
| Kilos | i gotta go eat will be back | 16:59 |
| Kilos | ran tail again and here the output | 17:25 |
| Kilos | http://slexy.org/view/s2U0WvUlvq | 17:25 |
| Squirm | instead of free beer | 17:25 |
| Squirm | I'm drinking wine | 17:25 |
| Squirm | :P | 17:25 |
| Kilos | bluegriffin not running so its something else trying to get in | 17:25 |
| Kilos | hi StonedAlchemist | 17:48 |
| StonedAlchemist | Kilos! How are ya? | 17:49 |
| Kilos | good ty and you? | 17:49 |
| StonedAlchemist | I'm well thanks | 17:53 |
| StonedAlchemist | Bored tho. | 17:53 |
| Kilos | go look at this http://slexy.org/view/s2U0WvUlvq and tell me whats trying to get in here | 17:54 |
| Kilos | see if you can beat the pro at sorting it | 17:55 |
| inetpro | ai! | 17:56 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:56 |
| * inetpro gave up long ago | 17:56 | |
| inetpro | Kilos: you're trying way too many foreign trickeries | 17:56 |
| Kilos | dis n manier om jou op jou tone te hou inetpro | 17:56 |
| Kilos | trickeries? | 17:57 |
| Kilos | trek warm aan more ne dit gaan heelwat koeler wees | 17:57 |
| Kilos | inetpro you not allowed to give up man. you are my pillar | 17:59 |
| inetpro | hosting a website can range from very simple to very complex, I would have to spend way to many hours explaining stuff | 18:00 |
| inetpro | too man as well | 18:00 |
| Kilos | no man not that | 18:00 |
| inetpro | ai! | 18:00 |
| Kilos | ian has a host already | 18:00 |
| Kilos | i just want to try do a page | 18:01 |
| Kilos | but that not anything to do with the slexy paste | 18:01 |
| Kilos | thats tail output | 18:01 |
| Kilos | or should i say syslog output | 18:04 |
| inetpro | Kilos: sorry oom | 19:29 |
| * inetpro was on the phone the whole evening | 19:30 | |
| Kilos | vir wat inetpro ? | 19:30 |
| Kilos | np my man | 19:30 |
| inetpro | little time to talk here | 19:30 |
| Kilos | i understand you have a life too | 19:30 |
| inetpro | I really don't have a clue why you would have anything running which looks like a proxy on port 3128 | 19:31 |
| inetpro | if indeed that is your local IP | 19:32 |
| Kilos | hmm,,, | 19:33 |
| inetpro | think it was kbmonkey who mentioned about running a site on google, that would be the simplest of all | 19:34 |
| Kilos | now i forgot how to find my ip again | 19:34 |
| Kilos | i cant have such a crazy one surely | 19:34 |
| inetpro | do you have something like dyndns running on your side? | 19:34 |
| Kilos | is that use for modem sharing? | 19:35 |
| Kilos | in iptables | 19:35 |
| Kilos | dyndns rings a bell | 19:36 |
| inetpro | you see that is where I get lost, have no clue how you end up having to do such funny things | 19:36 |
| Kilos | because i installed server on other pc and made it share this 3g modem with iptables | 19:37 |
| inetpro | we don't drink pink drinks Kilos. Always keep it real! | 19:37 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 19:38 |
| Kilos | i couldnt get it to work with dhcp things | 19:38 |
| gremble | I read what is happening here and I get utterly confused | 19:38 |
| Kilos | why gremble | 19:39 |
| gremble | iptables are the firewall rules baked into the kernel, how do you share an internet connection with them? | 19:39 |
| Kilos | oh its quite tricky but works | 19:39 |
| inetpro | I wouldn't recommend setting up a local webserver in your circumstances with no stable internet connection | 19:39 |
| Kilos | nope inetpro stop now | 19:39 |
| Kilos | lemme fill you in | 19:39 |
| Kilos | ian has a domain name and host with hetzner | 19:40 |
| inetpro | websites are meant to be connected all the time, don't do it at home unless you really know what you're doing and why | 19:40 |
| Kilos | im not doing website here sir | 19:40 |
| Kilos | ian wants to host a site at hetzner | 19:41 |
| Kilos | they already accepted him | 19:41 |
| Kilos | now he wants a web page | 19:41 |
| Kilos | thats all i want to do | 19:41 |
| inetpro | at home you can play around on virtual hosts where you can simulate the full stack, even with multiple virtual networks and all | 19:41 |
| inetpro | well that IP address and the port 3128 just puts a mighty different spin on the whole thing | 19:42 |
| Kilos | that must be from when i installed server on other pc 2 weeks ago | 19:43 |
| Kilos | that pc is shelved for the moment | 19:43 |
| inetpro | and then you come with bluegriffin as well? | 19:43 |
| * inetpro never heard of it before today | 19:43 | |
| Kilos | blue griffin is to try make apage for ian | 19:43 |
| inetpro | ai! | 19:43 |
| inetpro | sorry oom, but I'm lost | 19:44 |
| Kilos | im trying to find a gui webdesign tool | 19:44 |
| gremble | blue griffon is a WYSIWYG webeditor | 19:44 |
| gremble | like Dreamweaver | 19:44 |
| Kilos | so i can design a page here for ian to see and then implement if he is happy | 19:44 |
| Kilos | he has no time | 19:44 |
| inetpro | well if you don't want to learn coding I wouldn't go near anything that doesn't look like a modern online wizzard of sorts | 19:45 |
| gremble | Kilos: if he has a site with hetzer already, just play with the wordpress CMS | 19:46 |
| inetpro | like google sites and plenty others | 19:46 |
| gremble | simple enough to get something going with that | 19:46 |
| gremble | All the coding backend has been done in PHP | 19:46 |
| inetpro | exactly | 19:47 |
| Kilos | then doesnt wordpress add their name to his link to the site | 19:47 |
| inetpro | not that we love PHP but it works | 19:47 |
| inetpro | sometimes | 19:47 |
| gremble | No | 19:47 |
| gremble | only if you host your site with wordpress | 19:47 |
| Kilos | oh my im lost now too | 19:47 |
| Kilos | he has a basic page | 19:48 |
| Kilos | lemme try find it | 19:48 |
| gremble | Ok, sec let me try and articulate clearly before we all get lost in a hodge-podge of miscommunication | 19:48 |
| Kilos | haha gremble im a mechanic | 19:49 |
| gremble | Wordpress is a content management system, a program that has a database of all the pages that you create for your website. It lets you select a single theme for the pages ect. | 19:49 |
| Kilos | not an it guy | 19:49 |
| gremble | So when someone connects to www.ian.com, they get the site that you designed with wordpress, they don't get anything related to wordpress | 19:50 |
| gremble | Wordpress(TM) that is | 19:50 |
| gremble | just your site | 19:50 |
| Kilos | ok so i design it on wordpress then copy it to his site | 19:51 |
| inetpro | no | 19:51 |
| gremble | No | 19:51 |
| gremble | he installs wordpress on his site | 19:51 |
| Kilos | ai! | 19:51 |
| gremble | and then you do it there | 19:51 |
| inetpro | that ^ | 19:51 |
| Kilos | oh my | 19:51 |
| gremble | Wordpress is a program that runs on the server | 19:51 |
| Kilos | oh ok that makes sense then | 19:52 |
| inetpro | and it's typically donw on a admin interface (which I call a wizzard interface of sorts) | 19:52 |
| inetpro | done | 19:52 |
| Kilos | so its not just a blogging site | 19:52 |
| gremble | Oh wait, which hosting plan did your son get kilos? | 19:52 |
| Kilos | the small one | 19:52 |
| Kilos | micro i think | 19:52 |
| gremble | Hetzner was nice enough not to enable wordpress on those sites | 19:53 |
| * inetpro hates these wizzards but they server a good purpose for many people | 19:53 | |
| Kilos | i have a html thingie here of the basic page | 19:53 |
| Kilos | how do i show it to you | 19:53 |
| inetpro | damn! What's wrong with my fingers today? | 19:53 |
| inetpro | serve* | 19:53 |
| * inetpro has got to go | 19:54 | |
| inetpro | good night | 19:54 |
| Kilos | again inetpro | 19:54 |
| gremble | Kilos: paste it with hastebin or slexy | 19:54 |
| Kilos | sleep tight sir ty for the help | 19:54 |
| Kilos | ill try slexy | 19:54 |
| Kilos | dont work | 19:55 |
| gremble | Well, I have some time tonight so if you want I can work on the markup for you | 19:55 |
| Kilos | its a world picture thingie called x.html | 19:56 |
| Kilos | lemme try picpaste | 19:56 |
| Kilos | eish that wont take it either | 19:57 |
| Kilos | gremble can i mail it to you | 19:57 |
| gremble | sure | 19:57 |
| gremble | Well that was unfortunate | 19:59 |
| Kilos | what happened | 20:00 |
| Kilos | ive sent it\ | 20:01 |
| gremble | I wanted to close another dcc chat, but accidentally gave my client the quit command | 20:01 |
| gremble | I received it | 20:01 |
| Kilos | lol | 20:01 |
| gremble | That is not very pretty markup | 20:01 |
| gremble | :P | 20:01 |
| gremble | Marquee has long since been deprecated | 20:02 |
| Kilos | can you see it | 20:02 |
| gremble | Yes | 20:02 |
| gremble | What is your favourite colour? | 20:02 |
| Kilos | ok then i must try make it better, | 20:02 |
| Kilos | mine is blue i dunno what ians is | 20:02 |
| gremble | Yes, and I plan on helping you | 20:02 |
| Kilos | he cant use his kde as that pc died so he is stuck on win7 | 20:03 |
| gremble | Do you know what this site is for? | 20:03 |
| Kilos | yes he does them clock card machines and fingerprint readers and timekeeping stuff | 20:04 |
| gremble | Hmm, ok I will do something really general that you can then use to build the site with | 20:04 |
| Kilos | cool ty | 20:05 |
| Joe_knock | link to the html? Use plunkr.com | 20:12 |
| Joe_knock | or is it plunkr.co | 20:12 |
| Kilos | ill try | 20:12 |
| Kilos | i dunno | 20:13 |
| Kilos | Maaz google plunkr.com | 20:13 |
| Maaz | Kilos: "Plunker" http://plnkr.co/ :: "Editor - Plunker" http://plnkr.co/edit/ :: "Plunker - Demonstration of Angular routing and templating." http://embed.plnkr.co/dd8Nk9PDFotCQu4yrnDg/preview :: "Why this angularjs example doesn't work on plunker? - Stack Overflow" http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15266052/why-this-angularjs-example-doesnt-work-on-plunker :: | 20:13 |
| Maaz | "Plunker Alternatives - AlternativeTo.net" http://alternativeto.net/software/plunkr/ :: "Plu… | 20:13 |
| Joe_knock | oom paste the html here: http://plnkr.co | 20:13 |
| Kilos | sjoe im trying to find where | 20:15 |
| Kilos | must you login first | 20:17 |
| Kilos | or sign up | 20:17 |
| Joe_knock | oom, paste die html code hier: plnkr.co/edit/ | 20:18 |
| Joe_knock | no need to signup or login. | 20:18 |
| Kilos | sigh its not opening all the way | 20:19 |
| Kilos | just a white page you can do nothing in | 20:19 |
| Joe_knock | are there any buttons/menus on the page? It is just supposed to be an editor | 20:20 |
| Kilos | nope | 20:21 |
| Kilos | it opened now with firefox | 20:22 |
| Joe_knock | aah, it must be your connection (or a browser) | 20:22 |
| Kilos | opera | 20:22 |
| Kilos | i cant copy/paste the html thing there | 20:23 |
| Kilos | paste just gives the link on my pc | 20:24 |
| Joe_knock | that's strange. Are you highlighting all the html in the .html file? | 20:24 |
| Kilos | oh no sorry i tried to take the whole thing | 20:25 |
| Kilos | lemme open it first | 20:25 |
| Joe_knock | When you try pasting a file in the browser, you are taking a link to the file (from the system) and placing it into the browser. | 20:25 |
| Kilos | ok its there can you see it or must i do something more | 20:26 |
| Joe_knock | You need to provide me the link for it. First click "save" and then share that link with me. | 20:27 |
| Kilos | aha | 20:27 |
| Kilos | http://plnkr.co/edit/wz2LjGgbJsAIthC6rfM6?p=catalogue | 20:27 |
| Kilos | i had to open it with kate, it first opened with my browser and i saw the page not the text | 20:29 |
| Joe_knock | oom, you were supposed to paste it in the index.html :P | 20:29 |
| Joe_knock | but no worries, it ran. | 20:29 |
| Kilos | where is the index | 20:30 |
| Kilos | the thing on the left | 20:30 |
| Kilos | where it says description? | 20:30 |
| Joe_knock | On the left, under "Files", it has index.html | 20:31 |
| Joe_knock | is the site basically just some text (with some of it floating) ? | 20:31 |
| Kilos | oh i see it now. its very tiny | 20:32 |
| Kilos | that was what he did just to start it | 20:32 |
| Kilos | now wants a page designed there | 20:32 |
| Kilos | where he can put software for the readers and things | 20:33 |
| Joe_knock | oom, designing web pages can become difficult pretty quickly (especially if you are unfamiliar with html/css) | 20:33 |
| Kilos | and i spose a piece for photos of the readers and things | 20:33 |
| Kilos | i know nothing about any of it | 20:34 |
| Kilos | i can right click copy/paste quite good but thats it | 20:34 |
| Kilos | hehe | 20:34 |
| gremble | I will give you some resources to use a long with this | 20:34 |
| gremble | But hopefully this should be an example to get you started | 20:35 |
| Kilos | cfool ty gremble | 20:35 |
| Kilos | cool too | 20:35 |
| Joe_knock | cfool :O | 20:38 |
| Kilos | typo | 20:38 |
| Joe_knock | Oom I can get you going with something "static", but gremble is right about using wordpress. It is plug and play. no coding. | 20:38 |
| Kilos | i got one old eye man | 20:38 |
| gremble | Joe_knock: the host is not going to allow hosting with wordpress | 20:39 |
| gremble | I am busy with a template for Kilos to play around with though | 20:39 |
| Kilos | ty gremble | 20:39 |
| Joe_knock | Who/What is the host? | 20:41 |
| Kilos | hetzner | 20:41 |
| WOLFEYES | evening all | 20:42 |
| Kilos | hi WOLFEYES | 20:42 |
| Kilos | gremble Joe_knock here he is | 20:42 |
| Kilos | tell him them things | 20:42 |
| Joe_knock | evening oom se seun. | 20:43 |
| * WOLFEYES listens | 20:43 | |
| WOLFEYES | lol | 20:43 |
| gremble | You can hear text? | 20:43 |
| gremble | The tty whisperer :O | 20:43 |
| Kilos | hehe | 20:44 |
| Joe_knock | WOLFEYES: What host are you using and why wont they allow joomla/wordpress? | 20:46 |
| gremble | Kilos: I made another "under construction" site but this time with HTML and CSS and some comments that should get you going | 20:47 |
| Kilos | ty gremble | 20:47 |
| gremble | If all else fails, just ask | 20:47 |
| gremble | I'm happy to help and you have my email now | 20:47 |
| WOLFEYES | Hetzner site and I don't see anything in there to allow such a program, but I could still run iton the pc and fix the web file and then upload it to the Hetzner server! | 20:47 |
| Kilos | i do but lots of guys forget im doff with this kind of stuff | 20:48 |
| Joe_knock | WOLFEYES: Wordpress is standard web. Can you link me to your chosen package? | 20:48 |
| WOLFEYES | How do I link you there? | 20:49 |
| WOLFEYES | It's the micro package | 20:49 |
| Joe_knock | WOLFEYES: Let me check the hetzner homepage. What is your package name? | 20:50 |
| gremble | Kilos: building a static webpage is not the difficult | 20:50 |
| gremble | It is just about playing with the structure in the end | 20:50 |
| gremble | It becomes hard when you want to do all kinds of fancy things like posts and social media integration | 20:50 |
| Kilos | oi its all hard for me man | 20:51 |
| Kilos | i can do sudo apt-get and aptitude and rsync quite well but thats about it | 20:51 |
| gremble | -_- gmail thinks that there is an executable in the archive that I am trying to send to you | 20:52 |
| Kilos | ai! | 20:52 |
| WOLFEYES | lol | 20:52 |
| Joe_knock | .tar.gz it instead. | 20:52 |
| WOLFEYES | rename the extension to 123 | 20:53 |
| gremble | I did | 20:53 |
| Kilos | was it a .exe? | 20:53 |
| gremble | No | 20:53 |
| gremble | I only use linux | 20:53 |
| gremble | no .exe files here | 20:53 |
| gremble | :P | 20:53 |
| WOLFEYES | lol | 20:53 |
| Kilos | so whats gmails prob then | 20:53 |
| Joe_knock | aah okay. Those packages are too small to make it worthwhile to support dynamic sites. | 20:54 |
| gremble | Dunno, but I sent you a link to get it from dropbox | 20:54 |
| Kilos | gracias | 20:54 |
| gremble | Joe_knock: you can make it dynamic, just throw in some javascript | 20:55 |
| gremble | :P | 20:55 |
| Joe_knock | gremble: ";D | 20:55 |
| Joe_knock | *:'D | 20:55 |
| gremble | Kilos: http://htmldog.com/ this is a nice reference to html and css | 20:55 |
| Kilos | ai! | 20:56 |
| gremble | Let loose your inner moziac making, needle working, housewife | 20:56 |
| gremble | :P | 20:56 |
| Kilos | i cant remeber things | 20:56 |
| Kilos | no short term memory | 20:56 |
| gremble | You don't have to remember anything | 20:56 |
| gremble | It is all written down already | 20:56 |
| gremble | :P | 20:56 |
| Kilos | haha | 20:56 |
| gremble | If you can apt-get and rsync, you can do html markup | 20:57 |
| Joe_knock | gremble: you a full-time programmer? | 20:57 |
| gremble | Oh lord no | 20:57 |
| gremble | I hate programming | 20:57 |
| gremble | :P | 20:57 |
| gremble | I do math | 20:57 |
| Kilos | haha | 20:57 |
| Joe_knock | you should leave the OOP then and do functional programming. It is math ;) | 20:58 |
| gremble | I see no need for me to learn functional programming | 20:58 |
| gremble | Programming for the sake of programming is not my cup of tea | 20:59 |
| Joe_knock | are you a professor? gremble | 20:59 |
| gremble | No, still a student | 20:59 |
| WOLFEYES | thank you guys. | 20:59 |
| Joe_knock | i concur there gremble, it feels like insanity to code for fun. | 20:59 |
| gremble | I study applied mathematics | 20:59 |
| Joe_knock | WOLFEYES: I recommend you buy the R99 package. | 20:59 |
| gremble | It is a pleasure WOLFEYES | 21:00 |
| WOLFEYES | I will buy the R149 when business picks up a bit. | 21:00 |
| Joe_knock | WOLFEYES: What business do you run? | 21:01 |
| gremble | I think a static page is excellent for a simple businesscard page | 21:02 |
| Kilos | how do i open that thing gremble | 21:02 |
| WOLFEYES | Time and attendance, clock machines, software, payroll, networking, access control, and a little CCTV camera's. | 21:02 |
| gremble | It is not like you need an extensive blogging platform | 21:02 |
| gremble | Kilos: tar -xvf website.tar.gz | 21:02 |
| Kilos | ty | 21:02 |
| gremble | :) | 21:02 |
| Joe_knock | That's a lot of products :P | 21:02 |
| Kilos | he showed me this guys | 21:03 |
| gremble | You must be fun at Makro | 21:03 |
| Kilos | http://www.xsm.co.za/x/index.html | 21:04 |
| Kilos | thats what he did | 21:04 |
| Joe_knock | nice. | 21:04 |
| gremble | No | 21:04 |
| WOLFEYES | That is what I have managed to do so far, transforming a current site. | 21:04 |
| gremble | that is not what I did | 21:04 |
| gremble | haha | 21:04 |
| gremble | that is what someone else did | 21:04 |
| gremble | xD | 21:04 |
| WOLFEYES | lol | 21:04 |
| Kilos | ya ian man | 21:04 |
| gremble | AH | 21:04 |
| gremble | xD | 21:04 |
| Joe_knock | That actually works quite well. | 21:05 |
| Kilos | i still trying to get to tar that thing | 21:05 |
| Joe_knock | Just try to remove everything from living in folder "x" and make it live under public_html | 21:05 |
| gremble | The template on the site is much more extensive than the silly one that I made | 21:05 |
| gremble | Just use that instead | 21:05 |
| Kilos | i gotta put the path to it in as well right | 21:05 |
| Joe_knock | oom, go to the folder where the tarball is, right click on it and either open it first or do a direct extraction. | 21:06 |
| Kilos | ok got that ty | 21:08 |
| Kilos | so what is the diffs | 21:08 |
| gremble | What diffs? | 21:08 |
| Kilos | i see the welcome message on the top left now , it was centre before | 21:09 |
| Kilos | and funny steripes running across | 21:10 |
| Kilos | stripes | 21:10 |
| gremble | Yes. Same page, better mark-up | 21:10 |
| Kilos | Joe_knock gremble youve seen what ian did so far, just guide him in the right direction please | 21:10 |
| gremble | What he did so far looks pretty good | 21:10 |
| Kilos | tell him what to use and what not to use | 21:10 |
| gremble | WOLFEYES: just go make sure that all your links point to the right places. I see the links for the social networking stuff point to the place where you got the template from | 21:11 |
| Joe_knock | Based on the template, is everything written purely in HTML or is there some templating? | 21:11 |
| WOLFEYES | http://www.xsm.co.za/x/C.html | 21:11 |
| WOLFEYES | that is what it originally looked like | 21:12 |
| Joe_knock | There's actually quite a bit of editing needed to be done here. | 21:12 |
| WOLFEYES | nods | 21:12 |
| WOLFEYES | A lot | 21:12 |
| gremble | Looks better than my website at the moment :P | 21:13 |
| WOLFEYES | I'm only on the first page. | 21:13 |
| gremble | Mine is just a django template | 21:13 |
| gremble | xD | 21:13 |
| Joe_knock | Okay let's start with index.html. | 21:13 |
| WOLFEYES | Even though there ismore they need to be changed | 21:13 |
| Joe_knock | First, change the site title. It currently says: Helicopter Transportation Website | 21:13 |
| Joe_knock | *Template | 21:14 |
| WOLFEYES | http://www.xsm.co.za/x/index.html | 21:15 |
| WOLFEYES | done! | 21:15 |
| gremble | WOLFEYES: is there PHP at the backend for that message form at the bottom? | 21:16 |
| WOLFEYES | How is php written? | 21:17 |
| WOLFEYES | Looks like html. | 21:17 |
| gremble | So I don't think that form works | 21:17 |
| gremble | Did you get an email from me? :P | 21:18 |
| WOLFEYES | I don't think so either, | 21:18 |
| gremble | Ya, you can take the form out | 21:18 |
| WOLFEYES | but I am getting there | 21:18 |
| gremble | You don't want people to use that anyway, those forms are exploitable | 21:18 |
| WOLFEYES | how can I get it to work? or somthing similar? | 21:18 |
| gremble | with some backend php | 21:19 |
| WOLFEYES | mmmm | 21:19 |
| gremble | Anyway, I should probably hit the sack | 21:20 |
| gremble | I have class tomorrow | 21:20 |
| Kilos | ty for the help gremble | 21:21 |
| gremble | No problem | 21:21 |
| Kilos | sleep tight and have a good day tomorrow | 21:21 |
| WOLFEYES | night guys and thank you | 21:22 |
| WOLFEYES | form out - | 21:22 |
| Kilos | whats the link now WOLFEYES ? | 21:23 |
| WOLFEYES | http://www.xsm.co.za/x/index.html | 21:23 |
| Kilos | so what changed | 21:24 |
| WOLFEYES | lol | 21:24 |
| Kilos | haha | 21:25 |
| Kilos | look same to me | 21:25 |
| WOLFEYES | Look in the tab right in the top of the window | 21:25 |
| WOLFEYES | Now says "Time and Attendance - Xsm" | 21:25 |
| WOLFEYES | and the form is out the bottom | 21:25 |
| Kilos | where you see "Time and Attendance - Xsm" | 21:27 |
| Kilos | i dont see -XSM | 21:27 |
| Kilos | eish look at the time | 21:27 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 21:29 |
| WOLFEYES | Night night everyone | 21:30 |
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